Can you lose salvation? - KingdomCraft

[@The.Orthodox.Christian]

Im sure this won’t be a controversial video…

[@Thebasedheritic]

You're right 👍

[@andyjohnson6425]

It was predestined so its all ok

[@Marinanor]

"This is fine."

[@DruckerYTA]

Who else is persevering right now?

[@billotron5521]

Who else was predestined to see this comment?

[@Northidahoshorts]

I’m currently persevering through trials of the Lord has put in my life. He’s giving me a sense of calm during these trial so I’m not actually worrying about it and that I know he’ll find a wayto take care of it. There’s almost a surreal joy in that that I cant explain.

[@estebannrivero]

@@Northidahoshorts Praise the Lord!!!

[@DaltonParker-m2u]

So much persevering rn

[@CrownedDiaries]

@@DaltonParker-m2u but we will make it out alright

[@westhuizenarchives2614]

YOU HAVE IRON MAKE SHEARS ZOOMER PLEASE, STOP WASTING YOUR SWORDS DURABILITY 😭

[@billotron5521]

On g(osh)

[@Nguyenzander]

OR EVEN YOUR HAND IS FINE PLEASE JUST NOT YOUR SWORD

[@letrewiarz]

Well, this just looks like OSAS with extra steps

[@StHaykin]

It's OSAS but backloaded

[@ZachFish-]

It’s just OSAS with more detail, as reformed believe regeneration, so if someone believes for a time and falls away, they were never regenerate, hence, what baptist say. Seems to me at least.

[@catholic_zoomer_bro]

It is

[@connorallgood0922]

It is once saved always saved, just you're only saved from the momeny God creates you, but you have no idea.

[@Wyxoor]

OSAS is a very dangerous doctrine, not the technical definition necessarily but because of the misunderstanding it causes to so many people, people use it as a license to freely sin, there are people that think you can be an unrepentant and active blasphemer and still go to heaven because they believed in Jesus 20 years ago.

[@brighteyes806]

Lol literally osas just litigated by a french lawyer

[@deion312]

Lol

[@Narikku]

I always enjoy your refreshingly honest takes. What is fascinating about Reformed Theology, the way that you habe described it, is that this is a drastic divergence from Luther in the heart of the reformation: That you can know that you are actually, truly, saved. This is one of the largest concerns that Luther had - and appreciate your honest answer, that Presbyterian and Reformed Theology tell us that we ultimately, cannot know.

[@thomasc9036]

Please don't listen to Zoomer on this case regarding "we cannot know". That's not what the Reformed Theology says. Below is the exact phrase from the Westminster Confession of Faith. Although hypocrites and other unregenerate men may vainly deceive themselves with false hopes and carnal presumptions of being in the favor of God, and estate of salvation (which hope of theirs shall perish): yet such as truly believe in the Lord Jesus, and love him in sincerity, endeavoring to walk in all good conscience before him, may, in this life, be certainly assured that they are in the state of grace, and may rejoice in the hope of the glory of God, which hope shall never make them ashamed.

[@ViguLiviu]

​@@thomasc9036But what if on your death bed you realise you no longer believe? You don't know the future, if you die tomorrow you know you are saved, but you can't know your faith in the future.

[@wagegift6236]

​@@ViguLiviuthe basis for belief is faith, not circumstance. What evidence could convince someone to stop having faith in Jesus? None, if their belief is based on faith alone. If their belief is based on circumstance then they never believed by faith alone.

[@thomasc9036]

@@ViguLiviu I don't think you understand Christianity very well. In theology, the focus is on God, hence the word "theos". Western culture has become so self-absorbed that everything is about ourselves. The Assurance of Salvation is about faithful Jesus, God-man, holding on to those who were given to him by God the Father. It's not about us losing faith, but about God holding on to us.

[@Narikku]

@@thomasc9036 Right - and the teaching of Evanescent Grace says sometimes God just doesn't hold on.

[@Ecumenicallywired]

Short answer: No Long answer: Nooooo

[@TatevosN.]

Yes

[@TristanAD_]

@christsavesreadromans1096that’s referring to Judas’ betrayal…not salvation.

[@Narikku]

@@TristanAD_ Paul convey the same idea in Romans 11:17-24 in the context of Salvation (which is heavily emphasized in Romans 10.)

[@axxel9626]

Not real. Jesus and Paul are talking about a useless branch which God cuts off so it can grow. Don't you know branches?😂 Btw, those verses are saying that if a saved individual doesn't bring works, God will chasen him until that person will start bringing works. ​@@Narikku

[@Traeae]

Yes. Major error made of the parable of the sower: The seed, and its brief growth in rocky soil is not what is happening to the recipient, but the Word given. The seed is the Word, not the person. The soils are conditions of hearts. Rocky soil represents an unregenerate heart. The seed is not a temporarily regenerate one. No one with any biblical understanding will argue that a simple profession doesn't = saved. As true salvation produces good fruit & perseverance. We know that once the Word takes root in good soil, it is eternally fruitful, can never fail, and will never be revoked. One can indeed "think it to be truth" only for a time (demons also "believe".) You rightfully concede semantics, this is a superficial faith that only mimics true regeneration. The difference is that they don't believe IN Him. These, like Simon the sorcerer, are not intentioned to Christ in their hearts, but are intentioned to themselves. The seed given rooted in selfish ambitions. Unregenerate, rocky hearts unable to give root to a momentary spark of truth. I will concede we need to accompany the statement with the true understanding of the parable of the sower. And possibly tweak the wording a bit. But the statement stands true. Once truly saved, always saved.

[@mitchraabe2488]

That pond cave underneath would be so cool if you made it a secret sacred dungeon or something

[@erikburke7210]

Thank you for all of your uploads, RZ! I've been a follower of Christ and a Presbyterian all my life, but your channel has made me want to learn even more about Christian history and theology. I just finished reading The Westminster Confession because of you, and I'm going to be reading the Scots Confession next. God bless you!

[@sebastijan5894]

I have learned so much about Protestantism thanks to you and especially about Reformed theology. I appreciate it a lot. I have to say, it has made my Catholic beliefs stronger than ever.

[@Theophoruz]

Redeemedzoomer.. can you.. *breakdance?*

[@Thebasedheritic]

I wish I could 😐

[@yoyopiraka2491]

​@@Thebasedheriticwhat else is stopping you, but yourself?

[@Thebasedheritic]

@@yoyopiraka2491 I would have probably break all my bones 😭 and then get struck by lightning then teleport all the way to the time to the Roman empire in the first Punic war and then get crucified for no reason that will happen if I break dance 😭

[@jleor5068]

this is pretty funny...thank you for this lol

[@davidrobinson7260]

Very good video! It’s nice to see a video that puts forth a solid argument from redeemed zoomer. Really helps with something I’ve been struggling with for a while now.

[@TheGreatLlamaJockey]

This is why the book of Job is my personal favorite in the Old Testament . Job held on to his faith even through the worst of it and everything was restored to him, and it’s kind of like an OT microcosm of the everlasting life Jesus promises in the NT. You just have to hold on to it, even through the worst of it. Stay strong my brothers in Christ ✝️🗡

[@thebanezian]

From St. Augustine (Commentary on Genesis): "Human beings ought not to turn to God in such a way that when they have been made just by Him, they take their departure, but in such a way that they may always be made so by Him. In the very fact of their not taking their leave of Him, they are being justified and enlightened and blessed by His presence with them, by God "working and guarding" them as the Lord and Master of obedient subordinates. Nor, as we were saying, is it exactly like the man working the land to make it neatly cultivated and fertile, and going away once he has finished his work, leaving the land ploughed or sown or irrigated or whatever else; the work that has been done remains when the worker has departed. That is not how God works human beings to make them just, not how He justifies them, that is to say, so that if they withdraw, what He has done remains in them. Rather, just as we have to say that the sky is being made bright by the presence of light, not that it has been; because if it had been made so without still having to be made so, it would remain bright even when the light was withdrawn; in the same way, human beings are being enlightened by the presence of God with them, but immediately relapse into darkness with the absence of Him from whom one distances oneself, not by local movement, but by a turning away of the will."

[@not_milk]

TLDR?

[@thebanezian]

@@not_milk St. Augustine believed that by sin a man loses the grace of justification

[@not_milk]

@@thebanezian Nice. I'll have to check those quotes out then.

[@S..527]

The pink sheep army is desperately looking through the whole server to take over RZ’s new church right now

[@mranumous]

Who keeps our salvation? Who is more powerful? Who is sure to keep their promises? Us? or Jesus?

[@Corrinthian_]

Preach 😏

[@mranumous]

@@Corrinthian_ ✝

[@murilolinsdacruz4110]

Amen

[@loganstrait7503]

A better question than "Can you lose your salvation?" is actually "Can you know who is saved, including yourself?" ☦️🛐

[@DaltonParker-m2u]

“What about those who left the faith?” RZ (and baptists): “that wasn’t true saving faith, just an unregenerate belief”

[@thomasthellamas9886]

Well certainly they were never of Christ for Jesus did not lose them, for all that Father gave to the Son He will raise up on the last day.

[@thomasthellamas9886]

@christsavesreadromans1096 it’s conditional that all that the Father gave to the Son will be raised on the last day?

[@thomasthellamas9886]

@christsavesreadromans1096 Can a literally sheep stop being a literal sheep? No. This are the verses in question. John 6 36 All that the Father giveth Me shall come to Me, and him that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out. 38 For I came down from Heaven, not to do Mine own will, but the will of Him that sent Me. 39 And this is the Father’s will who hath sent Me, that of all which He hath given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the Last Day. It simply doesn’t say what you say it is saying. Christ is given His sheep by the will of the Father and He does not cast any out. And the will of the Father is that all He gave to Christ will be raised up on the last day. Christ promises it. The Father will complete it.

[@auggieeasteregg2150]

Exactly

[@thomasthellamas9886]

@christsavesreadromans1096 We know a sheep will always be a sheep in virtue of the fact creatures do not have the ability to change their nature lol

[@Guips96]

So it's basically once saved always saved, but with a maybe and extra steps? Noted.

[@postbarone]

Exactly..

[@Mathetesofscripture]

Once saved, always saved is basically semantics. It's a question of whether or not someone can enter covenant 100 times or thay they never truly entered to begin with. Pointless to argue over, fun to think about though.

[@ZachFish-]

I’ve heard people say this a lot, and it’s a waste of time honestly. Reformed theology teaches regeneration as a one time thing and justification a one time thing connected to that (or some say you are being justified in sanctification/engrafting more into Christ), but they’re both saying if you are regenerate, you will always love Christ.

[@Wyxoor]

OSAS is a very dangerous doctrine, not the technical definition necessarily but because of the misunderstanding it causes to so many people, people use it as a license to freely sin, there are people that think you can be an unrepentant and active blasphemer and still go to heaven because they believed in Jesus 20 years ago.

[@Mathetesofscripture]

@@Wyxoor thats not what OSAS teaches. Catholic confession does that very thing though

[@urfriendlyhood]

1:47 Cyril of Jerusalem (313AD - 386AD) For if you shall believe that Jesus Christ is Lord, and that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved, and shall be transported into Paradise by Him who brought in there the robber. And doubt not whether it is possible; for He who on this sacred Golgotha saved the robber after one single hour of belief, the same shall save you also on your believing. (Catechetical Lecture 5, Chapter 10)

[@mranumous]

✝

[@Dsingis]

Anyone who believes in "once saved always saved" has to explain to me, how they can on one hand claim, that the "Holy Spirit is a seal, a guarantee of salvation" (which is correct; Ephesians 1:13) and on the other hand tell me how people who HAVE the Holy Spirit falling away from the faith (Hebrews 6 4-6) were not "really christians". It makes no sense. This also rejects the reformed view btw. You can't claim that someone isn't really saved if he has the Holy Spirit, which is a seal of salvation. Either he is saved, or not. And people who are saved (have the Holy Spirit) can fall away from the faith. But, that doesn't destroy assurance, because "falling away from the faith" is basically apostasy, to simplify. If you are saved, it's all god's work, and as long as you want to stay with god, you will. But if you want to move away, you are free to do so. That's what us lutherans call "Monergistic salvation, synergistic damnation"

[@alessandrozanzarella9203]

facts

[@andrewatson3992]

OSAS means what is says, it doesn't mean always useful, but never means worthless. Useless Saul became useful Paul. Useful Jonh Mark became useless, until Paul, by the HS, declared him useful again. Useless Peter, became useful Peter, then useless Peter, until restored by Jesus/Immanuel/Yeshua, became permanently useful Peter. Useless Christians, those who desire titles, but not the work, for example, are not worthless, like Demas, but their witness is worthless. Heb 6 is not referring to believers, but to those who have heard the word and even sensed/tasted the word was good, who may have even kept coming to church, but never accepted Christ, aka fell away. See the sowers parable. OSAS, yes! OS always useful? Not so much. OS someimes useless, to err is human. OS, but worthless, nooooo. Er go: OSAS. Simple.

[@corkystorky]

Depends on who is 'you'. Sheeps don't lose salvation, goats do.

[@Corrinthian_]

Well said. Way to clarify. That perspective definitely helps.

[@yuyangwu881]

As a Lutheran, despite my disagreement on how this doctrine is preached in the Reformed tradition, this is easily gonna be one of my favorite KingdomCraft episodes.

[@yuyangwu881]

Seems that my beef with Reformed theology is the magisterial use of reason, aka taking what Scripture says too far through excessive intellectual exercise.

[@BoondockBrony]

@@yuyangwu881I think PotS stems from that. You can't have irresistable grace without it and vise versa. That's why I see most baptists as two point Calvinists kinda like Lutherans. But our two points are very different. They believe in IP we believe in TU, a lot of baptists would deny they believe in irresistable grace because that's calvinist but I can't logically grasp how you can have one without the other.

[@user-em7ig3lk7l]

20 likes in only 3 minutes? RZ fell ON🔥🔥

[@Yxunz_Exists]

🔥🔥🔥

[@grantross4366]

It's in your hands=salvation by works.

[@Corrinthian_]

Yep. Works justify faith, God's grace saves.

[@anmathunach]

I feel that there was a lot of mental gymnastics in this video - I much prefer the simplicity of Catholic St. John of the Cross "at the end of the day Christians will be judged on love". Fits much better with John and James's letters. Also seems to fit better with @redeemedzoomer6053 's own experience of conversion at 9:20 "I was moved by how much love they had in their hearts" - our eternal fate is about God's love not about our epistemology.

[@StephenAngelico]

I hold to the reformed view of sacraments (very strange given I'm a member of a Presbyterian church), but I always wondered about Paul's warning in 1 Corinthians 11:27-32 - if the Lord's Supper is only effective for the elect, who is this warning for? Is it for the non-elect, which is illogical if the non-elect do not receive the body and blood by taking the elements, or is it for some of the elect who may come with the wrong attitude towards the Lord's Supper, eg treating it as mere ceremony or tradition rather than feeding on Christ? And the consequences Paul writes about - are they evident today in any meaningful way?

[@bignoob1790]

Pray for perseverance and choose to continue in the faith

[@VFD3_games]

I watch those videos to understand heterodox Churches better

[@dakolev]

This sounds like a lot of mental gymnastics im sorry

[@Corrinthian_]

It is. It's especially easy to tell when no Scripture is given to substantiate the claims being made. Don't be sorry for noticing the error, instead thank God for your discernment in these matters.

[@Caligulashorse1453]

6:52 I believe what God requires is love To him and others… not just religious duty.

[@mott1992]

I've always said Calvanists overthink things in the Bible that we weren't meant to dissect but rather trust and live by faith.

[@unitedstatesofcolombia9694]

salvation is eternal as long as you show love (love towards God, nature, yourself, and other people) cause without love there is no faith and no faith means no salvation. This is why many interpret salvation as to be through works, although this is not true.

[@JoWilliams-ud4eu]

I'm watching in times 2 speed right after this came out. I think i might be the first to finish this.

[@RicTheStreetPreacher]

If you are regenerated, you’re going to serve the Lord and He is able to keep you. Regenerated people don’t walk away from God.

[@VTdarkangel]

I'm a Baptist and I have to address this question of Once Saved Always Saved. Not all of us believe that. Many of us hold to what is called Free Will. That is one can be saved, but can choose walk away later in life. We call it backsliding. Our view is that God will only accept those who choose to maintain their faith with Him. It's not too different from what RZ described if I understand him correctly.

[@murilolinsdacruz4110]

I'm a baptist too and the thing is that there's no free will, since we are either slaves to sin or slaves to God. And we only come to faith because God wants, not because we wanted. I would love to have this conversation brother and see what the bible teaches

[@VTdarkangel]

@murilolinsdacruz4110 The Free Will doctrine, as I understand it, doesn't contradict that we are slaves to sin. The only difference is that through the prompting of the Holy Spirit (and only through the Holy Spirit), we can perceive our sinful state and see that God is offering forgiveness and grace through faith in Christ's sacrifice. The Free Will part is that we then have a choice to accept or reject that. The other side of where Free Will comes in is that we can also later choose apostasy and lose God's grace. The common strawman many have about this is they think it is works based. It is still faith based. We can't work our way into forgiveness and grace. If we sin, we don't believe we can lose God's grace as long as we remain faithful. That being said, we do believe that we should be confessing and seeking forgiveness before God with a contrite heart when we sin. However, we can lose God's grace if we choose apostasy and turn away from Christ. I am open to having this discussion, but I will admit my ability to Biblically cite on this topic has become a bit weak at the moment because it has been quite a while since I've studied it. I left the church that taught this almost 20 years ago because of unresolvable issues with church leadership. The pastor I grew up under (he left that church as well shortly before I left) and taught me is not in good health now, and it'll be hard to sit down with him to get the specifics. However, since discovering RZ's channel, I have renewed my desire to better understand where my beliefs are rooted.

[@murilolinsdacruz4110]

@@VTdarkangel I get your point, however I'd recommend you to ponder about: Who is the One who saves you ? Is it God or yourself by accepting God's grace ? Before we answer that question, let's see somethings first. The bible says that no one can go to the Father unless He draws the person to himself (John 6:44), other passages such as Ephesians 2:8-9 conveys that Faith is a Gift From God and it doesn't come from us. That's because our human minds are in constant fight against the things of the Spirit 1 Corinthians 2:14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. Acts 7:51 "You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised. You are just like your ancestors: You always resist the Holy Spirit! Galatians 5:17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. "believing" is not something that we do, Unless the Spirit of God chose to free us, the Spirit of God convinces us of our sins and then we are born of Spirit by believing in God (John 1:12) and that doesn't come from us to believe in God, rather it's God who comes to us.

[@murilolinsdacruz4110]

@@VTdarkangel Plus my brother. When it comes to Eternal Security only the person can be assured of their salvation, because that's not something that we can work to achieve. Catholics believe that you must stay in this "state of grace" by doing the sacraments and through good works as if our salvation could be achieved or win or something progressive. God is the one who works out our salvation: God gives us both the will and the action to do His will (Philippians 2:13) God is the One who makes us grow in our faith (1° Corinthians 3:6-7) And He is the One who keeps us from falling (Jude 24). Besides that's God's promise that He would sanctify us (1° Thessalonians 5:23) and that those who have faith WILL endure until the day of the Lord (1° Corinthians 1:8-9). With that in mind, do you see that salvation is not something that we work on ? If that was so, man would have something to boast and the grace of God would no longer be grace. Titus 3:5.

[@Xavier-ww9zy]

No he did not just run a powerful example of a parable off the top of the dome in minecraft

[@dilophosaurusking7437]

My life ain’t where it should be right now to be entirely honest. I immediately got recommended this video and like 3 others on the same topic totally inexplicably. Concerning

[@aLadNamedNathan]

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. (1st John 5:13)

[@mranumous]

Amen

[@huskyspin1007]

Zoomer is the sigma of christian Minecraft youtubers.

[@Jhd306ck]

😂😭

[@andrewpritt8739]

Dont say sigma your giving Christians a bad name

[@TheSignofJonah777]

@@andrewpritt8739bon jovi?

[@thegreatandmightyseff7214]

@@andrewpritt8739you are just jealous that you are not a sigma

[@OneDropIsAllItTakes]

what the sigma?!?!

[@MateyYComp]

Eternal life is not an individual possession, but something we have by virtue of union with Christ. He _is_ the life (John 14:6), and our participation in that life is dependent on living continually in Him (John 15:1-6). So if we abide in Him, we really can _know_ we have eternal life (1 John 5:13). All those whom God calls from eternity past, He will sustain to the end (John 6:37-40, 10:27-30). But others may really be in Christ for a time, then fall away (John 15:2, 6). That means to lose everything, all reward and Christ and God (2 John 8-9). Paul (Gal 3:2-5, 4:6-11; Eph 4:30 alluding to Isa 63:10) and the author of Hebrews (Heb 6:4-6, 10:26-31) speak of apostasy as a possibility even for some people who have received God’s very Spirit.

[@libatonvhs]

very good summary

[@Corrinthian_]

​@@libatonvhs Yes, it's nice to see _someone_ break it down with actual Scripture instead of hot air 🙄

[@murilolinsdacruz4110]

Hi buddy, I didn't catch the point you were trying to make, do you believe in eternal security or not ?

[@MateyYComp]

@@murilolinsdacruz4110 I believe in eternal security for some, genuine apostasy for others, and we cannot be totally certain which group we belong to before we endure to the end.

[@nono-p7e]

the music in this video is so good

[@Frazier16]

Many Catholics and Orthodoxys believe that one saved always saved is a major Prostant belief, but its mostly big with Baptists and not as mealry as big in other denomination's

[@LilySage-mf7uf]

If you ever go looking for your salvation, don't look any further than your own back yard.... Because if it isn't there, than you never really lost it to begin with

[@HistoryNerd808]

This is probably one of the few areas where I'm not fully in line with Baptist theology. I think I do believe in eternal security because of John 6:39 and John 10:28-29 but the Bible also talks many times of false prophets leading people astray so I'm not as firm on it as I am on some other issues.

[@DylanCampbell-tc9nm]

If you're willing to take a more scholastic approach to this, by going off of the Lombardian formula, one can say that, because Christ did die for everyone, the nonelect could be regenerate for a time, but the gift of perseverance is only granted to the Elect. And the Elect themselves are simply those that shall persevere unto the end. So a regenerate Christian could apostatize, but the Elect shall persevere unto the end, cause the gift of Perseverance isn't given to everyone. I think that's a good way of explaining but I don't know

[@jvoges]

Or maybe just Christ died for everyone and we can decide to sin or to follow Christ

[@lorenzbroll101]

God will choose those who he wants and reject those who he does not want - like picking fruit at the supermarket.

[@jdotoz]

I think the idea that God gives some people some sort of false grace that won't deliver the gospel promises is monstrous. You "have eternal life" in this life in the sense that you have the potential. Since nothing is fixed until your judgement, you can lose that potential. Your doctrine of Communion amounts to once saved always saved: if you're elect, you eat the Body, and if you eat the Body, you're saved.

[@FromElsewhear]

Only if you: 1. Stop asking God for forgiveness. 2. Renounce it by no longer believing in it.

[@shalyfemusic]

What do u mean “stop asking God for forgiveness” If someone tells a lie and dies without asking God for forgiveness even though he has put his faith in Jesus Christ, are u saying they’ll go to hell?

[@jvoges]

@ shalyfemusic well first off that’s an unlikely scenario, but if that person intended to repent before they died they would probably be fine, but if they totally rejected Christ in doing so maybe not, that’s still for God to decide

[@PatrickTrent]

My pastor and I were talking about this today

[@johnbruce2868]

You cannot lose something you've not been granted in the first place. That decision is only made on the Day of Judgement and not by you. You may loose, or perhaps more accurately lessen, the opportunity for salvation but that's not salvation itself. It seems to me that too much thinking about God is not worshiping God and causes only division of Faith and apostasy. Lose your mind, come to your senses. Proverbs 3:5.

[@tropicalpines4585]

Is the difference between the way Augustine’s using regeneration and the way the Reformed use the term really just semantics? I know RZ said the difference is whether or not we’re talking about the elect when we say “regenerate,” but regeneration is a term with its own meaning that has to do with your nature and becoming a new creation in Christ. I haven’t read more than a few pages of Augustine, but that seems like a legitimate difference to me to say the regenerate can/can’t fall away. Can someone who’s familiar with the way Augustine writes about regeneration provide insight?

[@ObliviAce]

Bro how do you talk about theology this well while playing Minecraft and replying to people on the server at the same time??? I thought guys couldn't multitask 😭

[@YaboyiNathan]

What I'd like to point out: ( 5:18 ) Ehhh...i would say you do.Based on Acts 2:41-42 and Acts 2:37 There would be a change and you'd feel that change.A verse that backs this up is James 2:17. True faith will automatically produce works. What im trying to say is there would be a change and youd know that you truly will persevere. This also ties in with ( 3:00 ) that you aren't regenerated part time. You either are always saved or you never were. Also why do you have so many crafting tables?

[@hmos_05]

John the independent fundamentalist baptist died?!!

[@DrGero15]

The Zoomer must have drowned him.

[@AlekseyMaksimovichPeshkov]

Hey Zoomer, check out Marcin Patrzalek and Ichica Nito. They are among the greatest guitarists of our time. If not the greatest yet.

[@JoWilliams-ud4eu]

They are pretty good. But I personally prefer more classical guitarist.

[@AlekseyMaksimovichPeshkov]

​@@JoWilliams-ud4euThere's Drew Henderson and Milos Karadaglic then for you.

[@iggy9226]

rock music

[@AlekseyMaksimovichPeshkov]

​@@iggy9226yeah that's what they are. Especially Ichica.

[@Traeae]

Major error made of the parable of the sower: The seed, and its brief growth in rocky soil is not what is happening to the recipient, but the Word given. The seed is the Word, not the person. The soils are conditions of hearts. Rocky soil represents an unregenerate heart. The seed is not a temporarily regenerate one. No one with any biblical understanding will argue that a simple profession doesn't = saved. As true salvation produces good fruit & perseverance. We know that once the Word takes root in good soil, it is eternally fruitful, can never fail, and will never be revoked. One can indeed "think it to be truth" only for a time (demons also "believe".) You rightfully concede semantics, this is a superficial faith that only mimics true regeneration. The difference is that they don't believe IN Him. These, like Simon the sorcerer, are not intentioned to Christ in their hearts, but are intentioned to themselves. The seed given rooted in selfish ambitions. Unregenerate, rocky hearts unable to give root to a momentary spark of truth. I will concede we need to accompany the statement with the true understanding of the parable of the sower. And possibly tweak the wording a bit. But the statement stands true. Once truly saved, always saved.

[@christaylor8390]

What do you mean by leaving the faith? Like what exactly does that entail, after you’re “saved” is the line in the sand recognizing God as the Father and Jesus as the Son? Or is it doing those things and going to church on Sundays and tithing your 10%? If I sin too much is that leaving the faith? (I hope this doesn’t sound aggressive, I was raised in a non-denominational house going to Baptist and Catholic schools so I am genuinely not sure the answers)

[@MateyYComp]

There are some texts that really clearly teach even Spirit-indwelled people can revert to their unregenerate state (Gal 3:2-5, 4:6-11, 5:2-4).

[@TheScholarlyBaptist]

It’s if your non elect and you convert to Christianity you will eventually leave or just won’t be saved. And if your elect than you can be Cristian and always be saved because your elect.

[@janglalgoupiak1891]

My favorite youtuber 👍

[@sarkasmt2]

Was at a lutheran service today, just thought I'd let you know

[@FudgecakeMinister]

I just watched the needGodnet video

[@Espanaer]

What are your pc specs, been planning for a while to build a pc and I’m pretty much only gonna play Minecraft, was wondering what you use?

[@neversimpgamingyt]

Idk about his, but mine are AMD Ryzen 5 3600 and AMD Radeon 5600 xt with 16 gigs of ddr4 ram at 2400 mhz (higher is better). And Minecraft runs at a consistant 60fps with 6 gigs allocated as long as you don't have 4k shaders or 1000+ modpacks.

[@gumbyshrimp2606]

Yes

[@kobe8124]

Short answer:Yes Long answer: YESSSSSSSS

[@nikodem5489]

As More I hear reformed theology as more I think if it's true it's better to not know it's true

[@victordovalle4216]

Please stop breaking leaves with tools it lowers the durability of the tools

[@ViguLiviu]

That is my problem with Presbyterianism you can't know if you're elect which is fair, but if you are baptised and remain in the faith you kinda know you are saved. But can you lose faith and be actually elect NO. To me it seems to work the other way around you are saved because you keep faith and if you lose faith you weren't "elect". You can still see it as G-d's plan just manifested in every person. PS. Yeah I know I'm twisting reformed theology, my orthodox upbringing does that:)

[@vincentpueyo9114]

27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 1 Corinthians 11:27-29 I don’t know how you could receive the body and blood unworthily if the unworthy are not actually receiving it. The real presence is true, not the purely spiritual presence.

[@Davidguy57]

Genuine question here. If we're predestined, why does this topic matter? We have no ability to walk forward or walk away, we already had that decided for us.

[@jvoges]

We can choose to sin or not to, double predestination pretty much says that we surrendered our free will at the Fall of Adam and we’re all just predestined to whatever now.

[@Davidguy57]

@@jvoges I thought we were dead in sin? Under this idea we cant not nin and we also can't choose or even lower resistance to Christ. No point in evangelism. No point in cultural change

[@jvoges]

@@Davidguy57 That's why true double predestination is flawed, you might as well just run around and do whatever sinful things you want because if you're elect, you'll come to Christ eventually anyway.

[@Davidguy57]

@@jvoges Double or not this is a problem for all predestination theology. If we truly have not been given the ability to respond to God then there is absolutely no point in evangelism outside of following the command to. They were already chosen or not chosen. Apologetics have no point either. If we cannot come to God through reason than why bother at all?

[@jvoges]

@@Davidguy57 I would say that God loves everyone and wants us to be with Him, but we have the free will to decide whether or not to follow God. God's grace is available to all, but we must choose to accept it.

[@ShawnComposer]

watching zoomer break leaves with a sword hurts me

[@ChaseDowell]

Thanks for the clarification

[@JacobGordon-bp4eb]

Bro 3 minutes since upload and I’m here.

[@murilolinsdacruz4110]

Salvarion is not something that we can work on (Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5) if you saying that you are able to "lose" your salvation that also means you can somehow "earn it" back. Ephesians says that Faith is a Gift of God, NOT OF OURSELVES. Thus, the only way you can have faith is if God Choses to reach you (John 15:3, 16). So, if salvation is not something that we earn, but receive as a free gift (Romans 6:23) and God promises that He will lose NONE of his sheep (John 6:37-40; 10:28) and we nothing can separates us from God (Romans 8:31-39) That means We Can Have assurance of Salvation and We Know that whoever is born of God WILL NEVER DIE cuz it's God who keeps us from falling Jude 24

[@diegocorea4613]

Redeemed zoomer could you do a series of videos on relationships?

[@AlekseyMaksimovichPeshkov]

Or better yet, A.I?

[@diegocorea4613]

?​@@AlekseyMaksimovichPeshkov

[@Frazier16]

He has already

[@LorenzoPelupessy]

Dr. Jordan B Cooper! Feel free to check him out

[@diegocorea4613]

@@LorenzoPelupessy He just has 1 video that was yesterday

[@not_milk]

The Calvinist teaching is perseverance of the regenerate, which is not found anywhere in the fathers.

[@JoWilliams-ud4eu]

Let's go! Just watched a Jordan Cooper video on this.

[@sunkissedprincess]

Jesus says no you can't in the Gospel of John if you belive in him and his name while then Also taking communion and that he will not loose you. There a nice condensed version of the essay I wrote that I will not apologize for tying regardless of how long it is, including the replies I made to add to the original comment.

[@tuckerk9480]

Can you do a video on NAR and charismatics.

[@jleor5068]

I could just check but have you done a in depth video on divine simplicity yet?

[@theunclejesusshow8260]

MARK 16 :17-20 , Jesus solves the Fake Christian problems

[@gl1159]

Nah you got the goofy ah pentecostal hermeneutics

[@charliedontsurf334]

I would avoid making doctrines over disputed parts of the Bible like Mark 16:9-20. Most everyone considers it not original to Mark’s Gospel.

[@binaryagenda2167]

How can you be predestined and be able to lose your salvation? I'm even more confused now.

[@brohuggie2978]

They will do that to you!

[@leviwilliams9601]

God can give and take away mercy. His ways are not our ways and his thoughts are not our thoughts. I cannot tell God who to give mercy to and who to give judgement to. No one deserves mercy and literally everyone deserves judgment from what they do.

[@brohuggie2978]

@@leviwilliams9601 Yes everyone deserves hell, some more than others, lol But think about it, If God sent His only Begotten Son for us to believe in Him, WHY? Because one that believes in Jesus as the Christ, believes in what Jesus did at the cross for the forgiveness of all our sins and starts acting like it. Not look for scriptures to try and make God a liar, and try to discredit the Blood of Christ that He shed for us, HOW? by claiming that one can lose their salvation, and the Blood was not sufficient.....

[@Ricefarmer_]

As a catholic once saved you are not always saved

[@nperium9886]

Hey Zoomer, have you heard of Yuval Levin? He’s an academic who does a lot of work on the importance of institutions in grounding a society. I think you would like him.

[@pibe5077]

How can you have faith without being elect?

[@charles21137]

He said it in the video, some people have “shallow soil”

[@ZachFish-]

@@charles21137But faith comes after/with regeneration, no? Or is this a Sproul type distinction from reformed?

[@jvoges]

Dude I have massive respect for zoomer and his beliefs, but double predestination just seems so wrong on so many levels. Romans 5:8 “God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” I think this pretty clearly states that Christ died for everybody, not just the elect, which Calvinism rejects.

[@TheSuperXNova]

@@jvoges It also shows that you cannot choose faith, defeating Arminianism. Four-point Calvinism combined with classical universalism is the truth imo

[@jwilsonhandmadeknives2760]

@@TheSuperXNovait shows that monergism is not true. Calvin came up with a very good systematic- it just happens to be based on an incorrect premise. Get rid of monergism and suddenly the whole bible makes sense without the carefully selected proof texts that Calvinism depends upon to work.

[@thomasc9036]

Zoomer, I think you should re-read the WCF Ch. 18 Of the Assurance of Grace and Salvation again. Not sure if it is how you described, but that is NOT the Reformed position.

[@jeremydiaz1839]

bruh, i thought redemeed zoomer said that you have assurance that you are saved, amd this is an orthodox blunder and now hes doing a full 180. all while quoting church fathers who were orthodox or oriental orthodox and would never even fathom the modern denominations like Presbyterian and luthernism or any protestant sect

[@DrGero15]

Calvinism requires many 180's. It is a full on mental gymnastics routine.

[@leviwilliams9601]

Which early Saints were Orthodox 😂

[@jeremydiaz1839]

@@leviwilliams9601 the saints he quotes, saint Augustine of hippo, saint athanasius the great, and saint James to name a few

[@allenjaypaculba]

Hey RZ, what is your response to people who say God doesn't what people to go to hell. But in Calvinist theology, God actively or letting people go to hell. I think..

[@thomasthellamas9886]

You should probably figure out what the critique is before asking someone else their response

[@allenjaypaculba]

@@thomasthellamas9886 ok thx, l'll try.

[@icarojose6316]

If one saved always saved by Baptists and once a elect always a elect by calvinists. How can you know for a fact that you’re a true saved or elect when you know people who had more faith than you but then because of love for women or some dependency they departures from God ?

[@thebenzaga]

Well you still don’t really have assurance until the moment prior to death under this view though?

[@noahtylerpritchett2682]

If someone converts to Christianity but dies a day later. But had he lived but apostized later. Will he go to hell?

[@MatthewPatel-hx4ci]

According to free grace theology no.

[@phoenix21studios]

If you are saved and you die you are saved.

[@arielalejandroferrastabref9287]

Well, i think that the fact the he apostasied later is a sign that the conversion wasnt genuine. So probably yeah

[@thomasthellamas9886]

I’d just reject there is a logically possible alternative event contrary to his election or deprivation

[@phoenix21studios]

@@arielalejandroferrastabref9287 the thought experiment implies he was actually saved.

[@connorallgood0922]

This seems a bit contradictory, and maybe someone can explain further, to the entire point of the bible. God wants a relationship with all of us, not some of us. He died for all of our sins, not all of us. If God is predetermining who will be saved and who wont that means he is controlling who he wants to enter into his kingdom and who he doesn't want, thus meaning that we aren't choosing our faith, God is. That completely gets rid of the idea of free will, you know, the whole thing that brought about original sin. I don't believe in once saved always saved, but I do believe in, if you believe in God when your time comes, you will be saved. So maybe I'm just missing something in the scriptures, and if so, can someone please refer specific verses to me?

[@brucedewitt4994]

Reformed Baptist here, Romans 10:13/Joel 2:32 make this issue quite clear: "Everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved." The categories Jesus describes in Matthew 13 appear to be from a human perspective, but only those who persevere to the end are "saved". From God's perspective, as He's revealed it to us, there are only two categories: the elect and the non-elect, the saved and the unsaved. That's it. If you are looking for assurance of your salvation, don't look to your own will, circumstances, or even the sacraments (essential as they are). Look to Christ and His promise!

[@brucedewitt4994]

@christsavesreadromans1096 The language used here refers to knowledge of Christ and not election and salvation by God. "Escaping defilements of the world" does not appear to have nearly the same weight as the eternal, spiritual salvation promised to the elect.

[@brucedewitt4994]

@christsavesreadromans1096 @christsavesreadromans1096 This is a discussion of the mechanics of soteriology and not the nature of God, so please don't be so quick to bring out the accusation of heresy. I strive to understand the nature of God as fully as He has revealed Himself in Scripture, and may He swiftly correct me if I am in error. I will take your point on Peter referring to more than superficial knowledge. Clearly this is referring to those who have experienced Christ in a way that strongly separates them from true non-believers. Yes, Scripture makes it clear that there is a category of those who truly experience Christ and fall away. It comes down to a question of semantics. Is this category part of "the elect"? Were/are they "saved?" Revelation 20:15 says "And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." If a person's name is not written in the Book of Life, could it be said that they were ever "saved?" Speaking in terms of TULIP, my understanding is that the saints who persevere are those who are predestined and are an even more limited group than those included in the "limited atonement".

[@brucedewitt4994]

@christsavesreadromans1096 I would argue this actually bolsters limited atonement. If "the last state has become worse for them than the first," Christ's atoning work must be limited. If it were not, one who fell away would simply end up back where they started and not in a worse state. I think we may just be disagreeing on the meaning of the word "saved." In my understanding, salvation is for those who persevere to the end (Mat 24:13) and this group is predetermined (2 Tim 2:19, Rom 8:29-30).

[@brucedewitt4994]

@christsavesreadromans1096 I will walk back my wording of "God's perspective" and "human perspective". From the minute after I wrote that I thought it maybe didn't seem quite right. A more accurate way of putting it would be an eternal perspective vs a contemporary perspective. There are those who truly experience God's grace, but do not bear fruit. These are "Christians" in the visible sense in this life, but they are NOT saved, nor were they ever. They are rocky or thorny soil that are destined not to endure.

[@brucedewitt4994]

I've done my homework on this subject and need to walk back one more thing (I deleted two comments I made since your last response, as I don't want to mislead). It is not proper to say that Christ atoned for the false teachers described in 2 Peter 2 as I suggested. The rest of the passage makes it abundantly clear that these are not those who Christ "began a good work in" (Php. 1:6). Christ's atonement is perfect (Heb. 10:14) and only includes those whom the Father chose for Him "before the foundation of the world" (Eph 1:4). Christ's people are his sheep (John 10:25-30), and false teachers, as described in 2 Peter 2, are clearly wolves in sheep's clothing (Mat. 7:15). If someone cannot escape the corruption of the world without Christ, how could someone who is grouped with Sodom and Gomorrah be said to belong to Christ? Clearly, these are not those purchased by Christ's atonement, but those who peripherally benefited from it by participating in the outward signs of the covenant (2 Pet 2:13) while inwardly having no part in it. "The Master who bought them" is the Master who bought the people whom they've infiltrated. NOT themselves as individuals. This is made abundantly clear in the passages I shared above and many, many others throughout the New Testament.

[@arielalejandroferrastabref9287]

Can you talk next about matthew 1:25 next pls?

[@N0C7URN4L]

Hello zoomer, bearing this in mind, I think you should do another updated “why I’m not Lutheran” or at least explain, given this new knowledge, what you meant in your video when you said that Lutherans believe you can lose your salvation, when in this video you say the same thing you argued against in that video.

[@ryanteh7001]

0:24 MY WHAT

[@henryconner780]

You didn't get double predestination from Saint Augustine bruh, Calvin pulled that out of his Bum Bum 1600 years after Christ death, not the same as Saint Augustine at all. Oh Redeemed zoomer, Oh redeemed zoomer!

[@unknown36187]

Messianic is pretty much non denominational or Baptists.

[@christian-q3v]

Redeemed Zoomer, what I hate most about Calvinism is limited atonement. How do you guys think that reprobates cannot eat the body and blood of Christ? Also, baptism does not regenerate them? What bad thing have they done to God that they are discriminated against to this extent?! If God created a little baby in His own image and disallowed His baptismal grace for that little infant, why did He create them just for Hell?

[@nikodem5489]

He would anserw that dammed are dammed for glory of God

[@libatonvhs]

We have no reasons to assume that believers' children who are taken from them by the Lord will not be saved. The Bible says they are holy.

[@shackofwhack]

MR ZOOMER PUT YOUR NEW MUSIC ON SOUNDCLOUD WE ARE WAITING FOR

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

I did

[@shackofwhack]

@@redeemedzoomer6053 yes bro that’s comment was 6 says ago; thanks for putting it up, love the new tunes!!