Redflow ZCell batteries for home renewable energy storage | Fully Charged

[@chrismarshall25]

I want want want. For my home storage, I don't care about size / weight, I want longevity. Can't wait for the to become available in the uk.

[@NewTechChannel]

check sites like aliexres. you will find it there.

[@grahamcampbell8297]

Chris Marshall Flow batteries have got relatively low energy density, there are better options. Wait for the Ambri battery invented by Professor Sadoway, these will be the standard battery storage systems in the future.

[@phantomwalker8251]

graphine.

[@BobHannent]

If you don't care about weight and size then look at Lithium Titanate (LTO) batteries. They are used in trains and hybrid buses. They are less dense than LiPo batteries, easy to manage and relatively economic. Oh, and you can actually buy them, which helps...

[@fancyIOP]

@@grahamcampbell8297 he said in 2021 and that's two years away as I write this down. And we really don't know if it come in 2021. But yes Ambri battery has 1000kWh on board but it's a mid small size container. Hopefully they'll come while we are still alive.

[@D3ADPIX]

As an Aussie I loved your description of our current govenment xD

[@lavrentievv]

No mention of cost....

[@lavrentievv]

10kw/h battery. ....at what cost?

[@bushcraft3773]

@@lavrentievv @10k each

[@Neojhun]

@@lavrentievv Not mass produced, cost is not know yet.

[@patricksproll6750]

I feel like I'm back in school, sitting in a chemistry class. This is so exciting.

[@jeffreyd1701]

Nothing short of fantastic. Not just the content but the production quality of this show. Thank you!

[@DanubeRS]

Good to see the ex-CEO of Internode is still pushing the boundaries! Good on you mate

[@tehtron]

You mean MD. Pat tapper was the CE

[@DanubeRS]

Yeah, sorry. Read CEO in the vid description and had it on the tip of my tongue. Pity he couldn't turn the NBN around.

[@DanubeRS]

Well yeah, but he wasn't the CEO of node :)

[@tehtron]

he was hired to be silence critic whom was a paid NBN board member

[@tehtron]

No. All you need to know he was hired to be a silent NBN board member and prevent him talking

[@SupplyDesign]

Good to see a flow battery that's finally making it to market. For static applications, these really are more sensible than lead or lithium cells. It will be interesting to see how long the pumps last - but that shouldn't be a large replacement cost if it fails.

[@howardwhite9773]

The real nugget of this presentation was "wait for the grid to come to the consumer to be part of the total solution" (paraphrasing). So many people jump into home solar with selling power to the grid as the primary objective. The grid is pushing back with extra fees and requirements to protect their own business model. Mr. Hackett puts the priorities in the correct order.

[@flipper_1969]

This is the FUTURE of Home energy storage. Well done, Bob.

[@feras5017]

After 3 years Here we are

[@VishalRaoOnYouTube]

I love the analogy of the sprinter (car battery) vs. marathoner (home battery). I'm excited to see alternatives to Lithium Ion for home batteries.

[@cactusbylin]

This is the best video that Mr. Llewellyn has posted. This rechargeable product has big time ramifications for how we power our lives.

[@coccoborg]

The little battery management screen was the sweetest thing in this video, and I don't mean "sweet" as in "high tech", I mean it genuinely looked sweet and reassuring, a smart little thing managing things for your house, capable of showing what's going on in very simple terms.

[@helicart]

Thanks. Great interview. I am an Aussie and have the utmost respect for Simon Hackett. His previous company Internode was THE most ethical and well run internet service provider in Australia for many years, courtesy of Simon. I would love to give him my business, once zcell sales volume begins to ramp and prices decrease somewhat. The only doubt I have about these batteries is their 3kW maximum power output....and whether max power input is similarly low....which would compromise recharge during Australian winter in many areas.

[@fishingphill]

Can we get an update with the redflow system?

[@stompbuilds5416]

I feel this has a great future. Energy storage is the #1 problem, and I'm seeing great solutions being developed. What a great time to be alive.

[@IanKath]

I didn't initially realise who you were talking to until you said Simon. Then looked at the discription. MAN CRUSH!

[@blackrainb0w]

Excellent, very informative. Allways worth watching. Power to the people!

[@TheDeadwoods-pl3yo]

He mentions that the capacity does not degrade over time but he did not mention the (overall) life of the battery in cycles which is mentioned in the web site and it states; 'A disadvantage of flow batteries is their expected life cycle compared to lithium-ion batteries - they have a lifespan of approximately 4000 cycles at 100% depth-of-discharge, which is less than lithium-ion’s 5000-6000 cycles at 80% depth-of-discharge.' My two cents.. Pros - the discharge rate doesn't degrade over time, can deplete the battery to 0% without risk of damage to the battery, better for the environment than lithium, no risk of fire, no risk of magnifying a fire, made in Australia (pro for Australians re: parts, servicing and jobs etc) Cons - Currently more expensive than equivalent or better Lithium products available and a shorter lifespan, with pumps etc maintenance/servicing will be required. Conclusion - when the price comes down to about 75% of the equivalent lithium product this will be a leading choice for home battery storage with what is currently available on the market (May 2019). Where money is not a consideration I think this is a leading choice currently due to the environmental and safely benefits and also the fact that the battery can be depleted to 0% without damaging the battery. I have seen people destroy there battery systems from over discharging at great cost so this feature is a massive benefit.

[@simonpinkerton4905]

@Big J - The biggest con in my opinion is the following. As a chemist, he doesn't go into any detail regarding the zinc necessary to manufacture these batteries. Zinc does not exist in a pure form. It is a horrible compound to smelt and has massive CO2 production whilst doing so. The slag heaps that are produced from that zinc sulphide smelting also produces massive problems with the ugly heavy metal waste - which are either toxic or poisonous.

[@greenftechn]

@@simonpinkerton4905 Regarding the chemistry, just how much zinc goes into these flow batteries? Wouldn't that be important to your analysis?

[@simonpinkerton4905]

I offered no analysis because that would be dependent on the type of zinc compound(s) used within these batteries, and the internal reactions/temperature needed to make them continually recharge. I'd figure on asking Redflow if you really wanted to know

[@mikalramjattan9807]

@@simonpinkerton4905 ZnBr2

[@grahammcdonald]

Loving the idea of a battery that keeps the same condition for years.

[@funny-video-YouTube-channel]

This flow battery looks like a perfect solution as a package in addition to the home as a product. If it does not wear out, then it becomes part of the home.

[@morosis82]

You have to replace the pumps periodically, but they're a fairly low cost item I believe. Oh, and I think you also have to 'recycle' the fluid periodically, also a low cost item. Actually looking at a ZCell for my place, as I know a guy that works at Redflow and I like to support local if I can.

[@TwoBitDaVinci]

[Ricky] With every new video I watch on this channel, the more I want to subscribe! But I'm already subscribed... so I guess it suffices to say, that I just love your videos! Thanks for always making the travel to cover these wonderful topics! Flow batteries are so new... this is amazing!

[@AusyGreen]

It’s now 2years down the track. I would love to see a follow up of the energy storage systems that you did shows on in 2016 and 2017. Have some of these systems been superseded or taking off into profitable and still future viable systems?

[@MetalGearMk3]

you can make your own its pretty easy and cheap.

[@copyrightvideos1]

@@MetalGearMk3 how? Link

[@ameerjoziah3264]

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[@philiptaylor6389]

@Ameer Joziah instablaster =)

[@ameerjoziah3264]

@Philip Taylor Thanks so much for your reply. I got to the site on google and Im waiting for the hacking stuff now. Seems to take a while so I will reply here later when my account password hopefully is recovered.

[@davidking1501]

Simon, thank you for sharing the information on the redflow company. In one sense it was very sad that as a shareholder for 2 years in the redflow company that no one in the company has taken the time to explain the product as well as you have today. So a shareholder once again thank you for this video

[@TheHennes36]

Game changing when it comes to Smart grids... Instead of having huge batteries you have Lots of these Containers and batteries in the houses of people having the same Effect while being almost completely resistent to failure! Also given the fact they dont degrade this makes actually sense to use for large scale energy storage ! Incredible!!!

[@sirierieott5882]

Thanks again Rob for an excellent Oz Tech vid. Zinc Bromide Flow Batteries sound so Steam Punk / Victorian Eco. Fully charged is easily my channel of the year so far. Tag line: Go with the Flow... 😎👍

[@LAPGOCHINSTRUCTOR]

Another great professionally made video from Robert &Co. What this video has shown is a number of things. 1 - That a 10KW PV Solar Panel system only generates 1.9KW so is shown to be only 19% efficient - for that reason most commercial PV Solar Panel systems need a large number of PV Solar Panels to generate anything meaningful. 2 - No one is talking about the costs of these PV Solar Systems with battery back-up for the simple reason they are very expensive and almost never see a return on investment [ROI]. Typically 30 to 40 years ROI which is outside the warranty period for most PV Solar Panels. 3 - There's a significant loss through the inverters it can be as high as 50% and with the inverters connected it is always draining the batteries unless you use an isolation switch to disconnect the inverter. 4 - Again never discussed is the constant maintenance required to keep the panel clean to maintain the los efficiency of the panels ! If they are mounted on your house roof - there's the issue of climbing ladders dragging up a hosepipe and brush to clean the top of he panels. 5 - Once installed you're stuck staying in the same house for many years as you cannot take them with you ! May sound down on alternative energy systems but this is the true facts - they are talked about and sold as the best thing since sliced bread - but that's not true - huge costs, maintenance issues etc.

[@romainhedouin]

Finally someone admitting that his product is (for now) slightly more expensive than existing technology, THANK YOU SIR

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

That style of flow battery is very good. Relatively safe, and well-understood process that's highly durable.

[@daves1646]

Awesome! I look forward to chemical systems like this for my future home. STABLE energy storage with no capacity degradation. Worth the wait.

[@nitelite78]

These are my favourite kind of fully charged videos. Good to see the different companies competing with different technologies.

[@AndrewHelgeCox]

These general solar and battery episodes are better than the car ones. More of them please and if possible, go deeper on the the tech and the science.

[@Dog1eg]

Brilliant idea - I hope it's a viable purchase in the UK soon.

[@Joseph-jy5lz]

Simon gave an excellent explanation of how they work . Brilliant system but like all things it comes down to cost.

[@TomTom-cm2oq]

TCO is lower. Y'all know what TCO is, right? Right?

[@HisnameisRich]

its a really exciting concept, I genuinely look forward to the day that renewables become more avaialble to us the consumer as an alternative to the grid, or in addition in the way these are used. It's almost like being self sufficient in a modern way.

[@cliveawilson]

Great show. Just had panels and batteries installed in Yorkshire. Almost self sufficient. 😄

[@briancam_2000]

Almost self sufficient??? GET RID AUTO, STEAL Al, PLASTIC. See if your PV can be manufactured without china coal?? CHINA#1 GOING NUCLEAR!! HOPE weak and wimpy west can by future china #1 reactors. Bow to China #1 Almost self sufficient==no way

[@EleanorPeterson]

@@nialpollitt3410 - I'm sure all Brian's excess energy could be put to good use. Big hamster wheel... Dynamo... Inverter...

[@richardsandwell2285]

Well done Clive, me too, it is the way forward, death to energy companies and centralized production, no one should have to pay for energy, the world is awash with free energy.

[@richardsandwell2285]

@@briancam_2000 And your gas boiler also used huge amounts of Nuclear, Coal and metals, probably a lot of its parts were made in China, but you gas boiler, unlike a solar panel, needs gas to run, gas which you pay for. Not only that you are supporting energy company Fat Cats so they can stay in 5-star hotels shagging high-class prostitutes. Eventually, Solar could power everything, and be used to make more Solar panels. We are running about forty years behind with technology because a few very greedy men and women want us to keep paying for energy. Well, I ain't paying for their luxuries, they will have to work and do a proper job like everyone else.

[@gabrielesabbatino2460]

As always thank you for this episode of FC! Keep up the good work!

[@rogerhudson9732]

An excellent program, proof that the future can be better than the present. Also increased my Southern Hemisphere envy. I still regret my father ( who has relatives there) never made us ' ten pond Poms' back in 1961.

[@UncleManuel]

Using the plating process is quite genius! This solves all the problems of conventional batteries. I'm actually baffled by this... :-)

[@LeahandLevi]

This guys brain must be enormous. Another great episode!

[@davidwilkie9551]

Every household needs one, even if they have to shop around for one of the green electricity companies, maybe before getting an EV and Solar Panel Roof in this order, ..is always a good idea too.

[@Sams_Uncle]

The host is a patient and great listener.....thanks

[@Mr_Sin99]

nice episode Robert. really appreciate the effort.

[@sphinx2k210]

Simon Hackett (ex-founder of Internode ISP) was the first owner of a Tesla Roadster in Australia!

[@shoppingmaster2524]

Good work.I belive in earth conservation and respect technologies like these. 👍 From India.

[@narasimha8]

Redflow battery is amazing i saw many videos of this channel but redflow batteries overcame all other batteries i expect more updates from redflow through this channel I love fully charged

[@maplecyrupx]

Wow, a true sustainable way to move forward. Kudos!

[@wrong-waygo-back9355]

In Victoria's North east, Ausnet who own part of the grid are putting into place "mini grids". Using a "UBI" controller to anable trade from those with excess "renewable" power to those short on power via the grid. Their company is Mondo.

[@Joe-xq3zu]

huh I remember reading about these back in . . . I want to say it 08 or 09, I thought it was an interesting technology but I just didn't see it going anywhere, to many vested interests holding it back. Nice to see that it's still being developed and is really ready to hit the market.

[@paulgracey4697]

The two things in this video that gave me pause were a brief view of a chemical warning sign on the wall of the testing facility, suggesting a leak in any of the units under test may be somewhat hazardous, and that a home installation may need to be in an out building specialized to this technology. That would add to the already higher cost of an installation compared to the powerwall idea. On the other hand a powerwall does need a functional cooling circuit because unlike a flow battery its electrolite is always in full contact with the electrodes at a high energy density. Both systems do need safety considerations well managed. Of course I am old enough to remember when having a heating coal bin in the house was a potential health hazard, not to mention fire hazard. The build up of coal gas to combustion levels was regularly being blamed for house fires in those days.

[@Landrew0]

"That's all we have time for" always makes me chuckle a bit, because there is no arbitrary time slot in a KZbin video.

[@Alrukitaf]

It’s because of the time it takes to upload.

[@jaalittle2814]

Another brilliant idea made accessible by Simon Hackett. 👍👍

[@yellowslacker]

It'll be good to have a follow up episode with some of these products you show. Just see how well they have done, any downsides and if there is anything better on the market. Keep up the good work Kryton

[@Miata822]

I see the no-hustle Patreon promo is gone, replaced by a "call to action." Cool battery setup. Like that it doesn't have a built in expiration date and zero self discharge. Hope to see that here in the US.

[@jerrymoxlow8249]

Yes! Iam ready to buy now!

[@Miata822]

@@jerrymoxlow8249 That was 3 years ago and still seems to be Australia only.

[@yankey4]

BAD ASS!! I run most of my home power needs from solar and off grid. God Bless

[@john3Lee]

Exciting times 🔆🔆🔆🔆💡💡💡✔️

[@davidbradley3074]

Thank you for your leadership and direction forward!

[@zenzen9131]

Another great video Robert. Thanks for sharing :)

[@Neojhun]

I think i was drooling, let alone Panel Envy. WTF 70kwh per day. I first heard about Flow Cell Batteries and Redflow when they were still infant stages working with University of Queensland. Awesome to see Aussie innovation.

[@sophrapsune]

Great interviews, thanks. It all begs the question: why did the South Australian government install Tesla’s lithium ion battery on the grid, rather than the Redflow batteries that are both produced by a South Australian company and a demonstrably more suitable technology?

[@jerrymoxlow8249]

That's a great question!

[@TomTom-cm2oq]

Oh, yeah, that is absolutely a great question. As a Tesla shareholder I'm happy they went with the Tesla battery, but in the future, why not use the Redflow ones too? Maybe the Australian government, to help the environment, could even throw in a little subsidy. It would also help the Australian economy. What am I missing here? Why isn't this happening. And if it is happening, GOOD JOB Australian government!

[@billyjoe3309]

This is amazing! Speechless. I want one of these NOW.

[@richardclark6113]

One of the best channels on KZbin. Really loved this video. I have a feeling the Tesla Powerwall is much better than this device because of one reason, price. The Tesla Powerwall uses the Gigafactory. This means it's going to be much cheaper. This flow system is fantastic. I just imagine it's super expensive. I also think assembly must be very labour intensive which will keep costs high. Going forwards the flow battery system definitely has legs. The thing is, the Lithium battery's will become cheaper and cheaper. A Tesla Powerwall which becomes 30% cheaper than it is today will really damage this particular company. This guy should work with a giant investor to find a way to get economies of scale. Unfortunately it will make losses (similar to Tesla) for a few years. I really love this product but I just think the Price per Kilowatt (battery) will be a major factor in this market. If you can Renew a Tesla Powerwall cheaper than buying one of these. This will give you 20 years of good energy. Lithium ion technology and solid state Lithium technology will also be a major game changer. This is all coming in the next 10 years. In 15 - 30 years we may even have Fusion reactors coming online. The best hope for this business is for Lithium technology to remain as it is.

[@morebento]

Just discovered this show and didn't know you had come here to Adelaide! Hope you enjoyed it.

[@LoueeD]

They need to hire a product/graphic designer! If this thing was wall mountable and looked like a modern art piece it would sell like hot cakes!

[@beesplaining1882]

This is excellent. It's good that this fellow ignored the doomsayers in the Australian Government and progressed this idea independently.

[@Johny40Se7en]

3:40 when he talks about the surplus and going back to the grid, that's so clever and simple, and clean. But if those batteries are filthy to make and they don't last long at all, like most batteries these days, it's not that efficient. If they're not dirty to make or dispose of, great stuff. Those bigger batteries about 8:46, if those are as powerful and reliable as they're saying, you could use two or three of those to power a lorry, stick a solar panel and a little wind turbine in the shape of a usual roof scoop like rally cars have, put those things on the roof of a lorry, could be an idea ; )

[@sammaimas155]

At 3:34 you say that the solar energy can run the house and the surplus can charge the batteries. So does that mean if you have a large enough PV you can power the home directly off the inverter, bypassing the batteries?? I have heard this a number of times but when I query it, I am told you are powering appliance from the batteries which are being charged at the same time. Can you elaborate on how this works.

[@ajemohaltom3560]

Its a race between these and the Rhubarb battery being developed out of Harvard University. But they say the Rhubarb won't be available until the mid 2020s. So I'd say ride on Redflow and get your fortune, you deserve it for making it in a market like cutting edge battery tech and expanding the capabilities of commercial clean tech.

[@netcomptech]

A bit of mis-information at about 4:20 "If you just have solar and there is a grid failure then the solar is useless to you" this is only correct if you are using a grid-tie inverter. Power inverters require power to operate but that power can come from the solar panels and in that case the inverter will continue to operate in the event of a grid power outage. You can install an electrical box that will switch selected electrical circuits/outlets between grid and solar.

[@thegoodspirit5288]

This is AWESOME! Wish I had the job or the green to afford this. But, it excites me for a much better future!

[@john_p]

obsessed with coal is a nice way of saying our govt is stuck in the 50's

[@richardsandwell2285]

Yes because energy Fat Cat's enjoy the status quo, they do not want to change, the whole world is running about 40 years behind where we should be because of their greed, and we have a serious climate change issue which could have been prevented years ago, all because of a few selfish greedy bastards.

[@michelangelobuonarroti916]

Coal tycoons have deep pockets, a lot of incentive to keep coal going, and willing elected recipients of "donations".

[@jamesshanks2614]

It was and I say was that way here in the United States until the last year as 8 of the biggest coal companies have declared bankruptcy. I understand your major customer for exporting coal is China which is leading the world in switching from coal and gas to renewable energy. The rates the utilities are charging in Australia are criminal as we had that happen here in California as well. Anyone remember hearing about Enron? A company that originally starting buying utility company's from Texas. When Enron had bought enough utilities in California they're plan to make money went into effect. As an example they owned and operated 30 power plants and simply announced several plants were down for required maintenance. This artificially created a shortage of power and I remember when a delicatessen in San Francisco called a local tv station to ask they investigate why his electric bill went from an average of $300 per month to over $3000 per month. It took over 2 years to finally determine that the power shortages were artificially induced to get more money from the customers. By comparison Bernie Madoff only stole pennies by comparison and the Australian power companies are doing the same thing to its customers. It's time for the citizens of Australia to take back control of their country as the present government from the outside seems to be enjoying themselves at the citizens expense. Best of luck to all Australian citizens because with the abundance of energy in Australia this should never have happened.

[@1Chimonger]

..stuck in the 1800’s!!!

[@roodick85]

It's soooo unnecessary 😭😭

[@KennyCutout]

OOH I've read about these kinds of batteries! It's so great to hear they're actually in production now! It's amazing that they have no capacity degradation because that was my biggest fear with home batteries. Because they're expensive, so I'd like to know that I'll be able to hold onto them, ya know?

[@omniconcepts_7275]

A great informative show, so many new innovators entering the sustainable energy arena.

[@MehulKamdar]

I live in Texas where we get a lot of sun, and several counties offer property tax exemptions if you power your home or office building entirely off solar or wind energy. Perhaps, there is a market for an integrated solution where homes are designed with solar panels and batteries from the start, with various architectural styles available to the home buyer. One community at the old Mueller Airport in Austin does this, but to a limited extent. Redflow could possibly work with their US distributor and help? We have home builders who focus upon energy efficiency and who do very well in the new home industry. There might be avenues for collaboration here. Best wishes! Love your show, because I love the idea of a clean environment, and I love saving money. I'm also disappointed that Fully Charged hasn't been picked by any television channel yet.

[@bitansaha6436]

This is a very nice technology which has enormous potential. Can you tell me the overall efficiency of the battery pack? I assume it to be a little less than present system as it has to run the pumps and also has the heating and associated losses. Also, it would be great if you could tell the charge retention time of the battery pack if any load is not connected to it. Thanks!

[@Vplaytg]

your channel makes me happy, it makes me feel like the future will be pretty :D

[@TassieEV]

Fantastic batteries, makes we want them now over the powerwall plus they are local well local to my country anyway. :) So interesting will have to read up some more on these batteries. Well done both Robert & Simon for a great intro to such an innovative technology well at least at the small scale level now that houses can make use of. Interesting Simon only had 20kW would have thought that wouldn't be quite enough to power his house if the power went off say for a period of time.

[@ingbtc]

so many types of batteries, I am impressed

[@alexzanderarmstrong]

Fantastic...your really a champion for being this information to us in an very entertaining way! Thank you!!!

[@MartianInAHumansBody]

really impressed with this. seems like fantastic for the grid

[@barriewright2857]

That technology would be great in the developing country's if they can make it cheap enough ! . And i like the idea of putting the power units in side a shipping container, go anywhere just find a convenient space and just plug it in .

[@aa-rs8mn]

Cool video sir! I hope this technology is more widely adopted. Keep making great content.

[@asclark111]

This looks like a really practical, not too flashy just functional good idea! There should be UK government grants for this stuff (and all over the world), like you say if houses everywhere were doing this we could fundamentally change the country for the better! Have you thought of becoming prime minister? At the time of writing, there is a vacancy!

[@TomTom-cm2oq]

Oh man I just had such a laugh looking up redox flow batteries and fully charged looking for this episode! Great video. Please follow up on why this company isn't doing fantastically well! Their share price is waaaaay down, so I'm glad I didn't invest at the time but I was sooooo close. I even emailed them and asked them to be their European distributor, and that I would immediately commit to purchasing 10 batteries, but they rebuffed me! If anyone on the team is reading this, please help! Market cap 51 million, and stock price too far down. Definitely undervalued!!

[@TomTom-cm2oq]

I spoke with Frederic, so if he's still there and watching, I'm still interested in the 10 batteries! Let's make a deal!!

[@MaddyKoko]

Sorry for topic change but.. Your Color Grading Artistsss are ammazinggg :D

[@lirnerpublishingnotes]

Okay, wouw, cool, I like it, the LCD needs a few small changes to get it right for me. but it''s pretty close to what I need? great job .eg, the directional flow chart to show momentary flow, maybe color changes to arrows to show actual momentary interchange between each other., but a step in the right direction, Outstanding.

[@wayando]

I hate watching these new technologies that I can only salivate over, but can't get! This is perfect for homes. It has the lifespan of an actual house.

[@StuTheFarmer]

Love that this is happening in Australia! And in the state the government think is suffering because of heavy dependence on renewables!

[@GregGBM7]

They didn't talk much about the drawbacks. The following is from the wiki page. Drawbacks include: •The need to be fully discharged every few days to prevent zinc dendrites that can puncture the separator. •The need every 1-4 cycles to short the terminals across a low impedance shunt while running the electrolyte pump, to fully remove zinc from battery plates. •Low areal power (

[@solamente]

I love his enthusiasm and the range of tech in his videos, but he could do a better job trying to be objective or skeptical when outrageous claims are made.

[@JoeMalovich]

This seems easy to overcome if you have 2 or more of these batteries, the one that needs cycled will be drawn down for use as power in the building (or to top off the other battery). And how can you say the cost of power is high when you are talking about watts/area? That's not watts/dollar.

[@mil3761]

Yes but he's not a tech head which is probably why a lot of people find his videos good (cos he's just a layman).

[@jawr1215]

Joe Malovich wouldn't even need two units. If the plates are self contained, a controller could cycle through, say, 4 out of 5 plates ensuring constant charge/discharge cycles while reducing unnecessary redundancy rather than having two big discrete units.

[@agumonkey]

thanks a lot. also isnt this just a different electrolytic battery ? flow batteries use fluid dynamics to store energy, not chemical reactions.. (or Im missing something)

[@petercollins5996]

Very impressive presentation

[@videogalore]

We have a 44 panel system not too far from you Robert if you ever want 'panel envy' in the UK! :)

[@markvickery3622]

The more I look into these Zinc Bromide batteries the more interested I become in them. I am trying to find a UK distributor that responds to requests for a price on these but no dice as yet. Swansea University has just installed 120kw of the ZBM2 batteries so they must be available...

[@ColinRichardson]

love the Battery symbol in the Z

[@EdWood110]

Okay this video is over 2 years old and this looked so promising. Are there any updates?

[@Autogenification]

Some of you may be familiar with the youtuber "Photonicinduction", if not, do check out his video called "Cheap Backup Power", it's a similar system to this but it doesn't use expensive futuristic tech, just common sense. In short Photon has a system worth £700 that pays for itself in 2 years that can run the house's power during the day, and it charges from the grid's supply at night when the electricity is cheaper. Though the main striking difference is that this system (in this video) charges from solar which is a benefit of Australian climate, this wouldn't work nearly as well in the UK (where Photonicinduction is from). Photon's system uses lead acid batteries, not sure how it compares in efficiency, but factoring cost it's better suited to the UK. Would love to see this system become more efficient and possibly to the point that it would be viable in the UK

[@adaseth]

I liked this episode, learned something new about tech- the flow batteries. If they really are as they guy says they are, it's perfect!

[@ferryengr]

Two comments: 1) Not true that "all" inverters shut down during a power outage. We are currently putting in solar at our home in Arizona with an SMA Sunny Boy inverter - that provides some power when the grid goes down. 2) There is a big tiny house movement in the U.S. Solar storage solutions need to take into account the space and form factor needs for small installations. We don't have a true tiny house, but a very small 1920's bungalow home with limited space. We cannot use the Tesla Powerwall 2 simply because it can only install in a vertical or "portrait" orientation. You need a very large home, or a big garage or basement to install. Our space is limited near the power panel and we need a storage solution that is short and wide - that is, a horizontal or "landscape" configuration.

[@bigcliffe]

Very well explained.....now I really want to go solar....

[@LordGryllwotth]

Go Go Go! Get the cost down! Would love this!

[@racer9x]

Great to see companies working on alternatives to Li-ion batteries

[@truthexposed9916]

Simon Hackett, the man that created the ISP "Internode" before selling it to "iiNet".

[@erezklein5769]

Very cool, i wonder what's the degrading time for these batteries over a long run, say 50,100 years?

[@TomTom-cm2oq]

Materials will fall apart. They give you a 10 year warranty, so if after 10 years you throw them out, no loss, because batteries will be sooooo cheap in 10 years. You just buy a new one at let's say 10% of the cost of today. Maybe less!

[@mynewschannel3100]

The first time I saw a flow battery was in a VRB ESS video. They use Vanadium in a Redox flow battery. As for stating theirs is the smallest flow battery, VRB ESS would have issues with that, as they used a Redox unit on a golf buggy.