Redrafting the 2003 NHL Entry Draft

[@philtorrez4198]

Corey Perry may not be in his prime anymore, but he is still a serviceable forward in the NHL, plays his role well, and most importantly: PERFORMS IN THE PLAYOFFS!!! STILL!

[@Tannerislegend]

all hail the Saint

[@TheProJoe]

he is a curse

[@stentorofsparta3576]

When Perry retires, he should get into betting, just go against his cup pick and you’ll win.

[@Tannerislegend]

@@TheProJoe Perry is in the Triple Gold Club bud

[@dalemoe8898]

What I have seen about Perry one ov the dirty players in NHL upside money player

[@illydeewilliams3045]

Cat Timestamps: 0:00 - Sleepy kitty 17:34 - Bath time 21:45 - Kitty loaf 22:17 - No more cat

[@Tannerislegend]

Glad you mentioned how the Ducks absolutely made banger selections in this draft. Many of these players were franchise players, but Ducks are gonna retire two numbers from the same draft, that’s really something.

[@bdonaghu]

Man, when Thomas Vanek was on, he was one of the best goal scorers in the league. Became more of a journeyman when he left Buffalo, and could never really stick with a team for long, which was unfortunate. A Vanek Buffaslug was the first jersey I owned.

[@MrOctober44]

He could have played with Tavares but spurned the isles to sign with Minnesota. After that his career fell apart.

[@kakarotblake]

@@MrOctober44 a Vanek/JT due in their primes wouldve been deadly

[@rightthroughthecounterstri3961]

Dude was ass with the Habs.. I had the Ryan Miller Buffalo Slug jersey, still have it actually. Underrated jerseys!

[@andrewjmschroeder]

We loved him in Vancouver for the short time he was here. He was a huge part of Boeser's successful rookie year.

[@bdonaghu]

@@rightthroughthecounterstri3961 Yeah it didn't really fit there, but to be fair, Vanek was uprooted twice that year (traded out of Buffalo early in the season then traded to Montreal from the Isles at the deadline). Must have been tough to endure that. I was pulling for the Habs that playoff run because of Vanek.

[@ShowHero]

Absolutely insane that Pavelski was a 7th round selection.

[@davidm7759]

Canes fan here and I take Bergeron over Staal. I appreciate what he brought in 2006, but I watched him drag butt all over the ice way too much.

[@mattmacknight3000]

You play for the Canes in those dark years and be expected to carry the team alone. Caniac since their incarnation and I'll take the 06 cup for sure with Staal over messing with the formula haha. All in good fun though.

[@JVreemer]

Based and Bergypilled

[@mrutherford1106]

Fellow Canes fan here, and I disagree. Staal's prime was wasted on an awful Canes team. For a while, he was *the* good player on the Canes.

[@nicklariviere4101]

While that may be true, Canes wouldn't have won the cup in 06 without Staal. Post-2006 yes Bergeron was better but early in their careers Staal was came out flying.

[@Cassidy_xp]

i would have gone pavelski over staal, but im a pavelski slappy.

[@phreakzilla8514]

Very pleased that you stuck with Flower at #1. One of the best goaltenders in NHL history, and probably an even better guy off the ice. I know he had some rough postseason stretches, but you won’t find many Pens fans who would argue with taking him before anyone else comes off the board.

[@blatty2646]

Wow, didn’t expect to see Jimmy Howard on here. Was really the last long time netminder we’ve had as a franchise. So sad his career ended on that long losing streak. A great servant to the city of Detroit!

[@jreiland07]

Bergeron as a third line center behind Crosby and Malkin would have been a waste of his talent, he either wouldn’t have gotten enough ice time to develop or been traded to fill other roster needs once he needed to be paid what he’s worth. I’d still want Fleury if for nothing else than sentimental reasons.

[@Swoop187OG187]

Usually even if I disagree with Shannon/THG I can understand his perspective - but I cant here with him taking Staal over Bergeron at #2, lol - that makes no sense to me - IMO, Bergeron is the more complete player and overall is way ahead of Staal in every aspect er attribute that makes or breaks a hockey player.... As far as Marc-Andre Fleury - I agree he should go First Overall but keep in mind - It took Fleury a while to really cement himself as worthy of that First Overall selection - I mean he was a late bloomer and looked like a bust early on in his career.. I mean obviously it takes goalies much longer to develop than skaters but for a while there it really looked like the Pens wasted that First Overall pick... Also, when Fleury was drafted it appeared that the Penguins were really trying to rush him instead of allowing him to develop at his own pace, but for the sake of Fleury (perhaps even with the firing of Eddie O) they stopped trying that and DID let Fleury develop slowly and progressively.... I mean I remember when Fleury was drafted - he did not look good at all, he was wet behind the hears, lol - but keep in mind the Pens were a terrible team back then too, but Fleury's lack of experience stuck out like a sore thumb, lol... Buy yea - all of these years later - I have no issue with Fleury being the top choice - but Staal at #2, yea I just don't agree with that at all - Bergeron is the better player and I don't think anyone could convince me otherwise - Bergeron is a complete player and a leader - he's the type of guy that can help any team win a Cup so Bergeron brings a lot to the table - he's one of his eras best 2-way players...

[@jesseshore3873]

I think I’m the rare Fleury naysayer, people go he has three cups, another finals, but literally every place he’s played he has been replaced as starter, 2 of those cups he was their backup behind Matt Murray, he at no point in his career was the best goalie in the league, he was always outplayed by Ryan Miller, Roberto Luongo, and Carey Price. He’s a great goalie and a great guy (and he gets the nice guy bump, everyone loves him so they think higher of him as a player). But considering how insanely tough the hall of fame is on goalies (in the last 22 years the only goalies selected are Roy, Belfour, Hasek, Vachon, Brodeur, Kim St-Pierre, and Luongo) unless you’re one of the greatest of all time you either don’t get selected or have to wait years like Vachon.

[@Dr.Frankensteen]

Yes, Murray was the goalie for those back to back years. But keep in mind, in 2017 Murray was hurt and Fleury almost singlehandedly got them to the 3rd round when Murray was healthy. As far as being replaced everywhere he goes, that's only happened once because of his play and that was Pittsburgh. In Vegas, he was superior to Lehner but only signed 1 year instead of 4 when he was traded and higher cap hit. He was great for Vegas and won Vezina that season. He's taken over the starting job in Minnesota. So effectively he was only replaced once.

[@maxbolton5227]

How is Loui not #1 Shannon?

[@frequentsee3815]

MAF

[@larsandersson5974]

Exactly!

[@arvoollikainen8197]

Loui #1 Patrick Eaves #2

[@bertiebassetlive]

stupid hockey guy... 😄

[@jonah.donohue]

Who's Loui?

[@reaper2r]

2003! Fleury is one of the winningest tenders ever, nothing wrong with having him #1

[@connor_weggy]

I think a lot of that has to do with crosby malkin letang all being together forever

[@mattkolmer]

@@connor_weggy what makes one winningest.

[@connor_weggy]

@@mattkolmer well yes obviously, I just think that’s why wins pretty much mean nothing for a goalie

[@mrfake675]

He won the Vezina and went to the finals on the Knights

[@ryanmackie6936]

@@mrfake675 and straight carried that team like Jonathan Quick during his first stanley cup run

[@preppen78]

Nice draft. I would've assumed Getzlaf a few spots higher, but they're all great, so who knows?

[@aaronjoly]

Agreed. I’d put him ahead of Pavelski but it’s hard…

[@aZebruh]

I would not put him ahead of Pavelski. Past 10 years Pavs easily clears Getzlaf

[@Brian-tu8if]

Getzlaf is arguably number 1. His career .88 ppg is .8 higher than the next highest (Bergeron, Staal with Perry , Pavelski close behind) . I think this pushes Getzlaf above the other forwards in terms of his value to any organization and as a piece for any team to build around.

[@aZebruh]

@@cheese5565469 i reckon it’s definitely comparable , for 3 seasons after the lockout Pavelski was a perennial 40 goal scorer. Getzlaf got his cup but i just think Pavelski is a more dynamic player

[@aZebruh]

@@cheese5565469 Getzlafs best season, 2013-14, also happened to be Pavelskis best season. That year, Crosby, Thornton, Seguin, Bergeron, Kopitar were all better than Getzlaf, and Pavs had 41 goals. I really dont think Getz was ever a top 5 center. Idk man we can agree to disagree

[@YakAttack64]

Man, I was one of the few people I knew including media that said that Montreal won the Shea Weber trade. Sure, Subban was younger, but he fell off a cliff after a few seasons in Nashville. Weber is the type of D man you win cups with, and helped lead the Canadiens to the cup final. If they play any other team than Tampa, they are champions.

[@levidecroce6036]

You need to do a 2009 redraft, picking from all rounds!! There were SO MANY good players!

[@jkliao6486]

I believe all these drafts have been picking from all rounds rather than permutation of the original first rounders.

[@levidecroce6036]

@@jkliao6486 He used to not pick from all rounds, but now he does. He’s never done a 2009 redraft of any form though!

[@AceMatthew25414]

I agree, Weber has the all around game and leadership.

[@kd2453]

Take a drink every time Shannon argues with people who don't exist. These videos are great but would be much better without all the complaining about people who might disagree.

[@csolivais1979]

But they do exist; just read the comments.

[@kd2453]

@@csolivais1979 Of course people will have different opinions. It doesn't even need to be mentioned. You don't feed the trolls.

[@J.P.Lawrence]

Arguably, Fleury’s greatest NHL accomplishment is hoodwinking the hockey world at large into thinking he’s had a Hall of Fame worthy career. It took until his 15th season (in a shortened year mind you) for him to gain his first Vezina finalist nod (and win). Likewise his one and only All-Star appearance. Led the league in just a single statistical category once across 18 seasons. There’s value in having a long career where teams find you worthy enough for the starting job, but he’s getting in solely based off of team accomplishments (Wins and Cups) and a small sample size where he was good in Vegas. Has had the benefit of having a decision in virtually every game of his career (hence why he’s now third in Wins since he only dealt with a mere two ties in his first season). He was replaced by Murray in 2 of his 3 Pittsburgh Cup runs (he played less than 80 mins in 2016 and he was pulled in Game 3 of the ECF after letting up 4 goals in barely more than half of the first period and never played for Pittsburgh again). What other goalie in history has received full credit for 2 Cup wins when they got pulled? They won their first in spite of him. They flamed out early numerous times because of him. But hey, congrats. There’s no doubt he’ll be in the Hall of Fame since he’s so likable. Right place at the right time.

[@idiotidiot5821]

Whyd you stop posting such popular gaming content

[@iCoolaxe]

My personal top 5 would be: 1. Bergeron 2. Fleury 3. Getzlaf 4. Weber 5. Staal

[@mike04574]

crazy how many players from this draft are still active

[@kendonskalicky5552]

Crazy to think that guys like Stempniak, MacArthur, Moulson, Brodziak, Thompson, Richardson, Quincey, And Eaves were also apart of this draft.

[@InsignificantNick]

Fleury is obviously the best goalie from this draft, but Halak and Elliott both going in round 9 is crazy.

[@natashag4]

While I think sure Bergy is better, you don't mess with the chemistry of who gets you the cup. Might not win the 06 without Staal.

[@jonah.donohue]

Wow round 9 was a thing

[@TheBigfootsfeet]

@JJnS Farms he really isn’t. He’s been incredibly inconsistent his entire career. He cracks under pressure the majority of the time and never shows up in big games. He’s been Carried by some amazing teams, teams that would have won a lot more cups if he was even average in the playoffs during his prime.

[@zacharyomalley355]

@@TheBigfootsfeet such a dramatic take. The guy won two cups as a starter and made it to a third. he had a handful of average playoff series and one really bad one. Every pens fan thinking that we should've won the cup every year from 2009-2015, but didn't because of fluery is such an idiotic thing. The team was only really good one time in that stretch and got swept by Boston. Also Vegas missed playoffs in their first season without Fleury and the penguins have won one round since he left. He wasn't the problem.

[@theseanie9958]

@JJnS Farms lol

[@scottyb9367]

Sabres fan here. Vanek at 23 just shows how good this class was. I'd put him at 19 on this draft

[@Ratzy1614]

crazy looking at this draft and seeing how insane guys like parise were in their prime

[@Garvatron89]

Hortons career ending was so sad. As a jackets fan it was absolutely devastating. Was the first real big free agent signing the team ever had for star power and being in their prime. And his back gave out like 20 games into year one. Was a great player

[@jordza2k11]

Milan Michalek was a winger, Zbynek was the Dman

[@Rhysing]

Burns was drafted as a winger though. MN moved him to D.

[@JarradBruessel32]

Fleury was on the bench for his last 2 cup rings. In 2016 he was technically the 3rd stringer because he started 1 game while jeff zatkoff started 2 games and actually had a win and played better than fleury. The 2017 cup he was on the bench for the finals and murray played. Murray played only 4 fewer games that playoffs due to injury and put up a way better g.a.a. and way better save percentage. If fleury plays those finals they might not have won that cup.

[@hewhoamareismyself]

Maybe it's the cups swaying me but I feel like I would have Crawford and Seabrook higher up

[@Puffindefenceforce]

Halak over Crawford is crazy to me Phaneuf over Seabrook is even crazier

[@drivethru6155]

@@Puffindefenceforce Crawford may have also benefitted from a great team over a decent portion of his career. That effects goalies more than any other position.

[@theseanie9958]

@@fornaldrig if anything, halak and crawford swap, and put seabrook either just before or just after suter. dude was an absolute force defensively and the stretch pass king in his prime

[@theseanie9958]

@@drivethru6155 crawford was the real deal for sure. just so solid and great positioning, so he was not very flashy which hurt him in terms of media/outside fan attention

[@jeffreym.8957]

Vanek was plus 47 one year. That showed to me the benefit of having two strong forward lines ahead of you. The opponent's top four D had to deal with Briere and Drury's lines. Vanek/Roy/Max were the recipient of easier matchups. Once Briere and Drury left it was a whole new ball game.

[@andykanani5671]

Anaheim made like bandits and Dave Taylor drafted Brown & Kopitar two years later . What huge foundational pieces!

[@jaceking5938]

Quick and Kopi *

[@Greenfrom3]

Wow I'd have a very very different list. But was fun to watch, thanks Shannon!

[@tmdwu5360]

That jersey is so great, in fact all of the Trashers jerseys were dope

[@FreshmanMedia1]

This is not an easy task, bravo sir!

[@jordangraff2254]

Brian Elliott, 9th round 291st overall.... 2nd to last player drafted in 2003.... Up to first round in a redraft..... Hell of a career all things considered.... Also, way to go all these guys parents for blending some absolutely outstanding genes together 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@IHateMyAccountName]

Still respect Moose from his time in STL.

[@owenhillman1712]

This draft almost completely created all of the great teams in the Western Conference in the mid 2010s. Chicago, Los Angeles, and Anaheim all became title contenders with this draft.

[@johnterrell8069]

Elliott definitely played for Philly because the Eagles kicker was Jake Elliot at the same time and I always got confused

[@IHateMyAccountName]

I want both Erik Karlsson's, Sebastian Aho's, and Jack Hughes on the same team.

[@ACaputo21]

Love the content as always Shannon, personally think you crazy undervalued Vanek here. 8th in points from this draft. Hope you are enjoying Vegas 🍻

[@Puffindefenceforce]

Vanek probably could be higher but among the wingers only I think he's about appropriately placed, should probably be above Backes though

[@ACaputo21]

@@Puffindefenceforce you would take Dustin Brown, Mike Richards, and Jimmy Howard over Vanek?

[@AceMatthew25414]

Halak>Crawford is definitely a hot take.

[@VexJinks]

Crawford had the fortune of netminding behind a super team to prop up his numbers. Put Crawford on a team like Florida or the Blues, and he'd never have the cup rings or the stats he does now.

[@automatedimagination]

Milan Michalek, not a defenceman. Thinking of Zbynek.

[@leibmenter2331]

Shannon, I always love your takes even when I don’t completely agree, but that Staal take is on crack lol

[@AL-su2wo]

I would’ve taken Fleury 10th. Was only a Vezina finalist (top 3 goalie) one time

[@pkzammy666]

Hot take. Fleury is by far the best player from this draft.

[@slipperynodd578]

@@pkzammy666 By far is way too much. Bergeron has been one of the best if not the best two way centre for almost 20 years. Flower is great but he has so many points and goals. Before you call me bias but you should know that I’m a Montreal fan saying this.

[@pkzammy666]

@@slipperynodd578 Flower literally is the goalie of this generation... I'm not saying Bergy isn't good. I'm saying Flower is better.

[@AL-su2wo]

@@pkzammy666 flower has never been in contention for the best goalie in the league there’s always been much better guys that’s why I think he’s overrated. His most impressive accolades are all team achievements when he spent his career with Crosby who would’ve won a lot of games with or without flower

[@Tickleyourpickle420]

@@AL-su2wo Fleury getting Vegas into the final in their first year removed any doubt I had about how good he is Also one of those cups had Letang out. Top pairing was Hainsey and Dumolin. Insane he can carry a defense like that to a cup

[@Lebowski55]

How is Ryan Suter taken ahead of Brent Seabrook? LOL. Also, there is no way that the Blackhawks are taking Ryan Kesler over Brent Seabrook. This is hindsight, right? Seabrook dominated Kesler for years in the playoffs, was one of the best and most important players on 3 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONSHIP TEAMS. The Blackhawks still take Seabrook at 14 if he is still there. (Wow, I didn't think I'd get this emotional over a stupid hypothetical hockey thought experiment)

[@turbotron42069]

milan michalek should be a lot higher on this list considering he had a 35 goal season as a defenseman ;)

[@wideputin4479]

Mike Richards is a top ten pick in this redraft if he didnt get hooked up later in his career. Was one of the best two way players in his better days, and one of the most winningest players of this draft (Cup, gold medal, ETC). Wish we could have seen more of him. Also, Seabrook should be before Phaneuf. I think people forget how Solid of a defenseman Seabrook was in his career.

[@xtraplayer7281]

Hooked up ?

[@fallendevonish1869]

Just think Byfuglien was drafted in the 8th round witch no longer exists, I wish they would bring back an 8th and 9th rounds.

[@darrenho7019]

Corey Crawford below Dustin Brown, Phanuef and Halak?

[@artvandelay1967]

Thought you forgot about Kesler and Vanek for a second.Perry has won at every level- has more hardware than just about anyone on this list....I hated him for years- but since he left Anaheim...i still hate him- but can really appreciate what a pain in the ass good player he is.

[@Gayote]

despite Dallas not drafting the first round here they still made off with a bunch of picks with Pavelski, Suter and Loui are just ones I know for certain and I can only imagine a few other legends from this draft passed through Dallas at one point or another.

[@ryanhoeksema2191]

I always wished the thrashers put that alternate arm logo onto the front of a light blue sweater. That would be nice!

[@christhornycroft3686]

This is an example of something I struggle with - thinking ahead. You're going on vacation, so while you're taking a well-deserved break with your lovely wife and chilling out in the sunshine, you've got these pre-recorded videos that aren't just filler that you can stagger in terms uploads. You're still giving your audience what we want and expect, but you're finding time to recharge at the same time. Again, these aren't just filler videos. They're highly engaging but you can do them any time and they're not contingent on any recent hockey news.

[@shawman25]

This draft is Stacked!!

[@moritzseiderfan5492]

It’s weird because there’s not any bonafide superstar from this draft that you’d build a team around, but the amount of names here is crazy

[@williamfischer3990]

This and the 2015 draft. OMG the depth.

[@aaronwebb8033]

I totally forgot how unbelievably stacked this draft class was. Sheesh. The issue is all of these players in their prime were awesome and it’s like drawing straws after the first 5 imo

[@paulmartin6209]

I was like hey where are the wings and I forgot they won in 02 LOL

[@esopmi7464]

I respect your list as always but Getzlaf should be 4 at least.

[@ukrainian.g.o.a.t.566]

Why?

[@tykara3404]

Getzlaf should be higher top 3

[@ryanlichtenfel4817]

@@ukrainian.g.o.a.t.566 Because he has 700 plus assist and 1000 +points. Only less than 100 players have been able to do that pavelski or Bergeron not one of those people

[@ukrainian.g.o.a.t.566]

@@ryanlichtenfel4817 ok I can see your point but still wouldn't break top 5 in any fantasy redraft

[@ryanlichtenfel4817]

@@ukrainian.g.o.a.t.566 Nhl and NBC have him 3 and 4

[@ravdgnyc]

Born and raised in the burbs of Atlanta, mad respect for that jersey!

[@BandW1897]

Good redraft. No Finnish players, shows at whate state junior hockey were on Finland that time. Btw. Milan Michalek is FW, he's brother was D. Both were great players.

[@HandsOfCinderblock]

Enstrom at 30th is a rock solid pick. 719 career games, 308 pts from the blueline, including 2 50 pt seasons. You don’t usually get a player like that at the end of round 1.

[@Gayote]

17:36 yes, from 2019-2021 he was then traded to his now team lightning

[@Greatshamefamiry]

The late and very great Bryan Murray’s masterpiece draft…also a lot of Sens connections on there too

[@user-B00bz]

Man this draft is stacked!! Legit the top 9 could all end up in the HOH. Like that is nuts

[@portgasdace4509]

Is it dumb to think that pavelski and getzlaf should be swapped?

[@joeroganreal]

Yes

[@portgasdace4509]

@@joeroganreal Good point

[@jamesh7716]

It's not

[@sheldoncedwardthibault3599]

G Brian Elliott did play for Philadelphia betw. (2017-2021); Last played in Tampa in Late-December 2021!

[@WaddickLawnCare]

He played for Tampa in 2022 aswell

[@NJSurvivor88]

I'm waiting for you to start selling "Stupid Hockey Guy" t-shirts or mugs soon. I'll take my check in the mail for that idea haha

[@noluck9679]

Milan michalek is a left winger not a defense.

[@Crushbra]

He thought it was his brother I guess

[@tonykung8756]

In a very deep draft like this one, and we're doing this with hindsight, we don't draft a goalie like Fleury at 1st overall even though that is a popular opinion. At 1st overall, we do Weber or Bergeroon because they're clearcut franchise players who's been so good for so long... By today's standards, we don't draft goalies using top 5(?) picks anymore...

[@andrewparish625]

I completely forgot how incredible this draft was. It is hard to go wrong with many of those players.

[@neroameealucard945]

I almost forgot about this, but Dallas had the picks that became Getzlaf and Perry, but traded them draft night.

[@chrisbelos2834]

The Habs drafted the Kostitsyn brothers in 2003 and 2005 (sergei as a 7th rounder with 353 NHL games played) then they basically ran themselves out of town by bringing the russian mafia into the habs circle. they went to the KHL soon after that.

[@jeffreym.8957]

Could you clarify the more recent redrafts? For example, with Marner, Eichel, Rantanen you were forward looking right? In other words Eichel has had a way better career than KK, but going forward based on what we know about the players at the time of the redraft KK is considered a better pick than Eichel because of injury woes, etc. But with these old redrafts it's more about looking at their HOF credentials, right?

[@FloridaHockeyFan]

wow crazy deep draft

[@kieranperreaultdit-morin9262]

First overall how can you not take Paul Biznasty Bissonnette?

[@ericliu8488]

Based on point share, the top 10 are Fleury, Burns, Suter, Weber, Bergeron, Pavelski, Staal, Getzlaf, Perry, Parise. The only change I'd make is bump Suter to 5th with Weber and Bergeron each moving up one place.

[@HDreamer]

"Byfuglien, eh there's no one better there? Who did we really draft in 2003.....nevermind you clearly made the superior pick, carry on"

[@XaviRonaldo0]

Not a hockey follower back then. Was this draft touted as ridiculously deep or was it a bit of a surprise?

[@clubkid13]

Interesting it took until pick 15 for a European to get taken in the redraft

[@Justaname-00]

NJ grabs a goal tender? I still dont know. Crawford spends 5 years in NJ then either heads to FA or traded. Marty was still very much in his prime in 2003. 9 years later they made it to the finals. I just feel they'd grab a forward. They were solid on the back end. Either way an interesting take. Love the videos.

[@luketsotsos4706]

Never understood the Weber slander. Guy was a Norris caliber defenseman who was snubbed year after year. He seems like he’s probably the hardest defenseman to play against.

[@IHateMyAccountName]

Def sits between Lidstrom, Orr, and Stevens in terms of defencemen.

[@derekkalinosky3477]

The wrinkle that was missed at the #1 spot is that Pittsburgh traded up for Fleury from the Panthers. The question there is does the trade happen and how does it shake out.

[@ChampionGamingUniver]

Wasn't Michalek a winger?

[@aaronwebb8033]

He had a brother who was a defenseman too

[@Katie-hb8iq]

I find it interesting that you take a look at the past as a whole for this redraft but in the 2015 one you basically gambled on what players may do in the future and prioritized that over known, established careers since 2016. I'm still going to say, Kaprisov missed 4 out of the 6 years in between that draft and now, and I think it should have factored into his placement. To a GM, getting a player that is almost as good and is still a top 10 player 4 years earlier is worth a lot more than waiting. It affects cup odds and seeding for the playoffs. It can affect jerseys, ticket sales and other things much earlier. I genuinely think picks #2 and #3 still go to Rantanen and Marner for this reason - their past is simply much better as both of them have had 4 years where they were over a point per game players. I also think Colorado and Toronto would redraft the same players over Kaprisov, even knowing what they know now. With Kaprisov, you're basically betting that he's going to continue along that trajectory despite having only 1 top 10 season (something you said you wouldn't do for this draft, and that's still less than Rantanen and Marner). Minnesota was really punished for not having Kaprisov 4 years earlier. They could have really used him. I just don't think it's right or correct to dismiss 2015-2019 as if they don't matter when real benefits were gained in Colorado and Toronto during this time. I just hope this makes you more aware of how your criteria is shifting. I think the 2005 redraft criteria is better, and 2015 should have had the same criteria. Kaprisov should only be drafted by a team where the next best player is significantly worse and waiting 4 years is worth the wait. I just don't think there's enough upside with Kaprisov to justify waiting 4 entire years for many teams picking at the top of the draft, especially since we don't know how the rest of his career turns out. And yes, that even assumes we think he is the best player out of the 3 in 2021.

[@csolivais1979]

This re-draft is different becuse a lot of these players are retired or just about to. The 2015 one, they are in their prime or just about there. So this re-draft is based on their entire career, whereas the 2015 one would be if they were all draft eligible again, who would you draft for this upcoming season. So Kaprisove (sorry for the spelling) missing 4 years wouldn't really be a factor.

[@Katie-hb8iq]

@@csolivais1979 So are you saying Toronto or Colorado draft Kaprisov and delay their rebuilds for 4 years? Are you saying if Minnesota were picking 2nd that it would be correct to pass on Marner or Rantanen knowing Kaprisov won't play for you in 4 years? Another way to think of this, in 6 years, Kaprisov got 0 points in 4 out of those 6 years while Marner and Rantanen were getting over a point per game, and 2 of those years they were top 10 players. Kaprisov's rookie year was not better than the other two, so why are you putting so much weight on Kaprisov's 2021 season compared to two players with stellar 6-year careers?

[@csolivais1979]

@@Katie-hb8iq no, they wouldn't delay anything. Basically in Shannon's redraft, everyone who was drafted that year are now able to be drafted again for this upcoming season. So knowing what you know about each player, what order are you drafting them? Obviously McDavid goes first. Then who? Basically the past matters as a guide to who you draft, but that's it. Nobody has to wait 4 years for him to come, becuse he is here already.

[@Katie-hb8iq]

@@csolivais1979 Rantanen #2 and Marner #3 because both teams know their franchise will be significantly better in 2019 compared to waiting for Kaprisov. And that is fully knowing that they are passing on a player that is 2-5% better in 2021 (6 entire years later). I would take Kaprisov if it meant that the next available player was at least 30-40 points per season worse. It might be worth passing and waiting the 4 years in that case, because the quality of available players has gone done quite a bit. But to wait 4 years over Marner or Rantanen? That's not optimal. These are top 10 NHL players and you get them 4 years sooner. I am 100% certain if you asked Sakic or Dubas, would they have drafted Kaprisov knowing everything they knew now over Marner and Rantanen, and they would still choose Marner and Rantanen. 100%

[@IkonCoLeaderDH3574]

As a Nashville fan, us drafting an amazing centre seems like exactly what we need. But if we don’t draft Weber how do you think that changes our identity? And how could that affect the team since then?

[@GvirusUser]

Boyle did really well filling in this season for the Penguins. He played less than 11 minutes a game and still hit double digit goals this season.

[@zeusthedrumlord547]

I want him back :( but get why it doesn’t make sense. He’s awesome to watch in person. Huge dude

[@ericwiebe613]

'Til the day I day, I'll never understand how Andre Kostitsyn didn't crack the top 5 on this list.

[@owenbuhler6408]

Never realized how good Halak’s career numbers were, definitely an underrated goalie

[@VexJinks]

I'd put Moulson over Enstrom, honestly. Moulson was a legit top 6 guy who put up a lot of goals for a few seasons. For me, he was more prolific as an NHLer than Enstrom. Plus, the Blues probably could have used a good scorer during that era.

[@logand3957]

Getting a bit picky here but doubt the Islanders take Halak while they still had DiPietro in net. But you never know. Similar issue to what you mentioned with NJ. Also think you undervalued Seabrook and Vanek, but just goes to show how stacked this draft really was. Thanks for the great video!

[@csolivais1979]

I've never understood that with goalies, especially now.in the salary cap era, where good players on entry level contracts are gold. Even if you have an elite goalie, a goalie you draft is probably going to spend a year or 2 in junior/AHL. Then a year or 2 as a back up. Leaves you with potentially 2 good goalies, one on a cheap contract.

[@MK-ji9ke]

I'm not a Chicago fan but... Crawford and Seabrook should be higher. Crawford has a better record than Halak and Seabrook/Keith was a dominant pairing for Chicago. Seabrook is unfortunate to be more defensively minded and thus over-looked for the Norris. I'd definitely choose him over Suter but mixed about whether to pick him over Burns or Weber.

[@DaveWossum]

I love this, if they could do it over again I am sure LA would not have tried making Boyle a defenseman.

[@RobPasell]

I went back and looked. Holy cow did the Islanders miss hard with every pick that draft.

[@IHateMyAccountName]

And then whiffed of trading Chara and Luongo other years.

[@jmmason6481]

Eric is my fav cane of all time so I’m happy with this

[@luisvaldes1568]

Do you take the teams needs at the time as part of the re picks? Such as did the Sharks need a defender. Did the Penguins need a goalie? I was a big NBA draft fan till about 15 years ago and NFL draft till about 5 years ago. Both leagues lost me in recent years. starting to get into NHL Draft history.

[@thegoldrobber]

Perry won the Hart trophy in 2010-2011. All players who win an MVP are HOF'ers. I am NOT saying that he should have been drafted higher in this re-draft, but it could make for a good argument.

[@jordanbeauchamp1687]

I would argue he should easily be higher especially with that hart trophy season

[@thegoldrobber]

@@jordanbeauchamp1687 I think Perry should be above Pavelski.

[@owenbuhler6408]

So Taylor Hall and Jose Theodore are HOF?

[@jordanbeauchamp1687]

@@owenbuhler6408 difference was that Perry was good for 30-50 goals every year for a while and a was a ppg in his prime in a low scoring era

[@jordanbeauchamp1687]

@@thegoldrobber its close just because pavelski has been good for longer, but Perry had the better prime

[@steamedhamsvr282]

Honest question. Is MAF a first ballot lock without Matt Murray?

[@hubertperreault143]

I’d like to know what’s the best draft regarding points, goals and how many players got to the Hall of Fame

[@jefflarson1652]

Not an especially strong draft year. Only Staal (78th) and Bergeron (98th) in the top 100 in points. Getzlaff 49th in assists and 132nd in PPG. Bergeron is one of the best two-way players ever, so I'd probably have him #1. Weber, Burns and Suter are good top ten picks for defensemen. Fleury had a couple magical seasons, but I'm not sure his career numbers make him a first ballot HoFer. Quite a few had solid lengthy careers but how many of them will get into the HoF? This year's forward inductees all outscored Staal and I'm pretty sure he's done in the NHL.

[@zeusthedrumlord547]

This draft is interesting for not having many generational talent superstars but an especially strong year in players panning out to their potential and having long careers as franchise players.

[@mattblom3990]

Nobody should argue Dustin Brown should be any higher. He had some good moments, did help win cups, but he peaked at 33 goals and 61 points and had a significant decline (with a couple random bounceback seasons) in the past 10 years. Brown was far out of his prime 9 years into his career.

[@miketroncoso8622]

Im glad we got him at 13 and without his lead wouldn’t have those ahem “good moments”. As for later years he was still hitting cleam with the bestof them on the 3rd 4th line as ateam player and a great leader to the youths coming up in our ranks, aslo a pretty good streak of games played without injury too. New York might have taken him with his family ties to the state, but im sure glad they did’nt. Looking forward to his banner raised this season in retirement.

[@isaacs6205]

Fun question: if Burns and Byfuglien are drafted by other teams, do they ever make the shift to defense? They were drafted as wings originally.