USED Hyundai iLoad review - Is it worth the risk of engine failure!? | ReDriven

[@ReDriven]

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[@DMan-it5tq]

Cop here. We flog these van's to an inch within their life. They are awesome! And very rarely do they need mechanical repairs.

[@rolandhippe903]

Does that include taking yobbo,s for a tour over traffic calming hump,s and chicanes . Just curious .

[@Thorold63]

Work at a Hyundai dealership, out of all the Hyundai models, rarely see issues with these things, seriously. Keep the services up and we have seen with 400,000 kms plus on them.

[@Hhajsjeieirhrbbr]

You would say that. Lol Everything I’ve heard contradicts that

[@hypnosismeditation7518]

3 years ago in a video titled "Top 5 'VANLIFE' vans under $20,000" you gave the iLoad #1 spot and praised it for reliability. Please explain...

[@ReDriven]

It’s in those few years since then that the reports of engine failures have been developing more significantly

[@realvibephotography9706]

Kia and Hyundai engines ... particularly petrol are beginning to turn into a war zone as time is marching on. First the gdi now even later mpi engines are failing in 'notable' numbers

[@apachelives]

Courier here. I have a 2016 (newer engine revision) diesel. I do 300-500km a day, 10 hours a day, sometimes i am carrying a full 1 ton of weight, city traffic, highway all of it, all year. Original engine, original turbo, original transmission, currently at 255k kms and servicing every 15k kms. Issues? Apart from an oil leak that took the dealers several goes to correct (valve cover gasket, it was like they were avoiding doing it) and a coolant hose failure (softened from the oil leak), a dead battery and an a/c relay nothing has gone wrong. Down sides? Apple carplay / Android auto is useless, road noise, and mechanics who don't want to touch it because its a van. Otherwise a solid unit.

[@shawsie5780]

Do you have the golden ticket

[@MrRedcelica]

id be servicing every 7000kms if i did that many kms!!

[@apachelives]

@@MrRedcelica i will be switching to 8-10k kms intervals soon. If i pop the oil cap off and look inside its absolutely clean like brand new clean. I think the major issues with most modern engines is short trips. I might do lots of kms but single heat cycle every day + no short trips.

[@MrRedcelica]

@@apachelives long trips are very good for an engine, but still would be doing more freq oil changes with those kms!!

[@Addrian.]

why are the apple carplay / android auto useless keen to hear!

[@ChrisBull-jy6lh]

I had an iLoad from 2010 until 2022. 12 1/2 years of trouble free motoring. The most reliable vehicle I’ve ever had.

[@jamesmcgowen1769]

I drive a 2017 iLoad which clocked up 169k’s today. The front end is awesome! The most car like sspension I’ve ever felt in a van. I’ve driven this unit from SYD to BNE many times, topping up at Tweed, or Coffs depending on the direction. The van is diesel auto and cruises on the highway effortlesly. The passenger front seat is adjustable for recline and fore/aft and also has a storeage bin under it. The auto needed new solenoids in the box to allow it to start in Park, otherwise you have to turn on the ignition, put your foot on the brake and shift into neutral before you start it ($1000) And the rocker cover gasket needed replacing, plus rotors and brake pads Having said that, it’s good on tyres and is a joy to drive!

[@anthonywalsh2164]

Agree about the front end, surprisingly good. Here is a short of an imax on the Nurburgring. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jGm5lYOVjr6jmdEsi=gXpiBR5JHu2wHC6N

[@B1Gboz]

Out of 3 iLoad’s I know of, all 3 have done an engine.

[@SuperRabbidrabbit]

What you mean " done an engine "? Engine seized? Engine failure? At how many miles? Do you know?

[@petermitchell991]

3 years owning a 205,000km 2016 turbo diesel iload auto for work. only had to do services. Never had an issue, 700kms to a full tank fully loaded

[@boris9331]

Is your driving mostly highway or is 700km/tank mix of highway/city?

[@michaelhart5886]

Most of the failures are simply due to lack of servicing by tradies who own these. 15-20,000kms betweens servicing is common as muck for owners of these and wonder why things go south. Change the oil at 7500 kms with the correct oil and generally they work fine. Mobile mechanic here of 20 years who also happens to run an iload with only minor egr valve issues which were easy fixes. 180,000kms later and shes fine along with a heap of customers with them

[@Djr67]

Do the egr's need to cleaned or replaced? My work van is diesel and has done 255,000 ks and hasn't got the power it use to.

[@Ryan-fb1ot]

10000km service is better

[@catmoo84]

I work as a builder and work for a decently sized company of just over 200 people and we have nothing but iLoads in our fleet and they're all great! only complaints about these is the road noise, the stereos crapping out or not working or hard to see in the newer ones. we have also found the seats seem to deteriorate in the side from getting in and out. Other than that these are great vans and would get one for personal use if I was in the market for one.

[@mik12121212]

88,000km so far on my 2020 iload with a boost controller maxing out the little stock turbo, never missed a beat. Your right about it feeling like an SUV, you forget your in a van until you step outside

[@sheldonlea]

I own a 2015 iLoad bought with 60 000kms, serviced meticulously with oil changes every 10-12k. Have 300 000 kms (many of those highway kms) and it is flawless. However... I used additives to the engine, transmission, diff, and gearbox. I also prefer Premium Diesel if available. Amazing van and have driven it from Mackay to Melbourne. Fantastic driving position. I recommend lambswool for the bum as the seats can get a bit hard after 12 hrs in the driver's seat. Also, fitting a rear sway bar is a MUST!. Serious omission by Hyundai. Otherwise very enjoyable to drive. Highly recommend Michelin tyres for this van. Long kms, (140 000kms) quiet and great in the wet. Fuel economy from 7.9L-8.8L/100kms mainly mix of highway/urban driving. Key is to keep up the maintenance.

[@enclave3908]

Before even watching this, I just want to say my dads 09 iload has been the most bulletproof car weve ever had. Its done 750’000klm and has never once let us down. It was the manual petrol, and the only thing weve ever had to fix was the catalytic converter at 650’000ks because only THEN did the original spark plugs die. I couldnt believe it lol. Been an absolutely awesome work horse and never missed a beat, and still drives great today, though shes getting a bit tired, shes only ever had regular scheduled servicing. In the last 200’000 shes starting to drink more oil though, but for what the old girls been through, fair enough.

[@kingkire1556]

Regular scheduled sevicing usually includes spark plugs. How did the original plugs die at 650k?

[@dalesmith4985]

Wow that must be record mileage for a Hyundai

[@enclave3908]

@@kingkire1556 because he serviced it himself. I think its only been to a mechanic 3 times over the years

[@StephenDeTomasi]

​@@dalesmith4985not really, they can make some solid engines. Just need to pick em

[@lukeclifton4392]

@@kingkire1556iridium plugs??

[@fredericoespinoza]

Friend had one of these, it did in fact blow up at 280,000kms

[@peterlattimore6013]

They run bearings ... before I even listen to the video.

[@dalesmith4985]

not a bad mileage for any Hyundai

[@NeedsmoreCowbell72]

That's a good run, was it a manual or an auto?

[@fredericoespinoza]

@@NeedsmoreCowbell72 auto, delivery van

[@mikepeterson4603]

How?

[@lancegraham7722]

Used one of these for 2 years, everything you have said is spot on.

[@68404]

The diesels are a weapon. They are quick! I have driven one from Sydney to Broken Hill and back with no comfort issues and it never felt underpowered.

[@dancummins147]

Except they blow up.

[@AvenirRacing]

The petrols on the other hand... miserable to drive. Ridiculously underpowered, with a zippy first gear and then no kick at all once they shift up. I couldn't wait to get out of the thing last time I drove one.

[@campervansam-UK]

My 2.5 Diesel Manual i800 has 274900 odd miles on the clock and still going strong. Makes for a great weekend camper / kids furniture moving vehicle. Just take the rear seats out and slot in a 2.4M x 1.2M sheet of 18mm ply that fits almost exactly between the back of the drivers seat and the wheel arches and go from there with your DIY camper van build. 🙂

[@semyon74]

Since we change our fleet to Iloads (40+ units), we have saved $30,000 per month on repairs and maintenance. They have been more reliable than the Fords, Renaults, Volkswagens, we used in the past (Toyotas didn’t have the required payload).

[@ZaneRux]

Hired a petrol iload people mover in the gold coast a few years ago. Had absolutely no power, assumed it was because full car, turns out it was about to suffer catastrophic engine failure. There was a BANG and a nice hole in the block.

[@squaregreen]

I've got a 2011 petrol with 300K. Only issues have been valve cover gasket leak, accessory bearing failure, A/C compressor dying and the Cat burning out. Other than that, it spins quietly and freely.

[@Thevictor79]

I've got a 2011, turbo diesel manual, I bought it second hand, it had 140k, I've put on another 100k, I drive it like a race car, and only issue I had, was the valve cover gasket leak, twice, but I blame it on my driving, the Van is super reliable

[@coolbluepontiac]

Great van. Bought new and 8 years later 363,000 km. Diesel auto. Never had an issue. 900km to 76litres, can't complain about that. change oil /filter every 7,500km easy job.

[@charlvandermerwe5883]

Have mine for 12 years now. Serviced every 10 000km. Had no problem whatsoever besides a turbo that got stuck due to bad diesel. Passenger door central locking broke...still not fixed.

[@DD-ld1xq]

ahhh yes ye olde "bad fuel" - the reason every Hyundai dealer spouts when their piece of shit engines fail.

[@mq46312]

For some reason the name "iLoad" sounds "dirty" to me 😂

[@d15z1sux]

Calm down, don't blow your iLoad... 😂😂😂

[@Andronicus2007]

At least its not called Cum-load!

[@dalesmith4985]

Reminds me of a washing machine

[@richiesworld1]

​@@dalesmith4985 spin cycle has entered chat 👁️👄👁️

[@SuperLloyd84]

Careful, you'll cop an iFull.

[@francistaylor1822]

You know you are in for a show when the 'what goes wrong' section is almost half the video

[@mvnorsel6354]

Always thought they would make a great camper van or these days a house.

[@bestestusername]

I worked in a transport company where the subbies had these and all of them blew up at some time as did the renaults, the transits and LDV vans were quite good. Even the hiaces had their fair share of niggles but mainly due to abuse by drivers who didn't service them.

[@richarm66]

The 'what goes wrong' segment really had me worried until Jim said he's seen them last 150K (or maybe more!!) That's right... some last even longer ;)

[@mr.knight1359]

my dad still owns his 2007 sonata and i think it has the theta 1 engine in it. its done 155000 so far and thankfully no problems with the engine at all. but the transmission broke at 150k

[@UncleJoeLITE]

Quite the discreet _/subversive_ double entendre with that thumbnail, gentlemen. Love it. 🤣

[@NeedsmoreCowbell72]

We have had these at work for a number of years now. 2008 - 2011, this has the A1 series engine. The fuel injector seals need to be done every 60k. The manual gearbox version will last longer as it has a lower engine output and is not over stressed. I have never seen an Auto one do more than 200k without shitting an engine. A1 engines for the auto are not available 2nd hand. 2011 - 2018, A2 series engine, fuel injector seals need to be done every 90k. Intercoolers always split but can be repaired. Plastics in the induction system always breakdown with time. Barn door versions are very rare.

[@gerix5539]

i have a 2012 petrol, from new. Now at 230K. i service it regularly, only issues have been a broken starter, handbrake and slight grind on one gear change. Its petrol efficiency is average. Changed the battery and tyres several times in 12 years. One very reliable vehicle.

[@StaySpooked]

Hey guys love the channel , I had a Diesel 2009 and went through 2 Engines sadly (Should of brought a brand new van) as i am a loyalist i just recently brought a 2017 Diesel so far so goo, i have a 3 year warranty with everything absolutely covered.

[@-sandman4605]

My neighbour has the 2012 turbo diesel 284,000 km and sh has had nothing but problems with the turbo shiting its self / 3 of them now & the injectors second set & the head gasket but she keeps fixing it, i keep telling her it's because of all the short distance driving she does and never takes it on a long run and yeah the bloody thing uses oil badly. She loves it and keeps fixing 😂😂😂

[@TheKnobCalledTone.]

It's a pity the iLoad is so hit and miss, because it feels just like an oversized Getz, which is the easiest car in the world to drive.

[@Altair885]

The only issue with these engines is due to leaking injector seat washers. If leaking over time a sludge can begin to form in the crankcase and sump, this can then begin to block up the engine breather system leading to EGR faults. It can also start to choke off the oil pump pick up pipe which initially can lead to unexplained turbo failures, however as the problem gets worse it is possible to reach a situation where the crank actually welds itself into one or more main bearing journals causing the crankshaft to actually break. This is very easily avoided though with routine servicing and paying close attention to the condition of the engine. The injector seat washers are very inexpensive and easy enough to change periodically anyway if doing high mileages.

[@bigchief2331]

If you are going to get a used van, get a Mercedes Vito. By far the most reliable, and built much better than the others.

[@simonmears1726]

Sprinter better vitos fall apart and leak oil like a arab kebab house 😮

[@AlbionTarkhan]

😂

[@TwistedDonners]

This is one that I'd be in 2 minds about buying if i was after one. Main reasons being while they're practical and simpler than the their competitors the fact of their thist for fuel and oil and the fact that the engines are a potentially a game of Russian roulette is not a risk I want to take. Somehow I think you're mate's had to drive one of these for his boss some how Adam 😂. From what Hullsy was saying it sounds like the diesel is the most likely to shit the bed out of the engines but I could be misinterpreting that. Great job guys and as always have a good one, keep up the good work and look forward to next week's videos as per usual 👍

[@canterburysoundsolutions8151]

2019 iload. Regularly serviced at a dealer. I've driven it since new now I'd like to buy it $22500 NZ . Worth that much?

[@tng2057]

The other popular delivery van is the LDV. After looking at so many falling apart on the streets, I think it will be a fun program if one is to be made.

[@apachelives]

I would take the LDV Deliver 9 over a Renault Master, those things are complete garbage.

[@ffnbbq]

Part of the reason why the LDV van are coming apart (other than being cheap crap) is most of them were sold during the pandemic, when Auspost contractors and other delivery/courier drivers were working 16-18 hours a day, 6-7 days a week. That takes a toll on any vehicle. The problem everyone discovered afterwards was there weren't remotely enough spare parts available in Australia, so there are lightly crashed LDVs in delivery depots with damage from a year ago.

[@jamesstock7882]

I've seen alot D9 ldv on tow truck also lmao most of them are campers

[@dougparker-barnes1229]

I bought a diesel one with 100k on it and sold it with over 300k on it, timing chains and egr valve were the big issues with mine

[@Djr67]

I have driven a few of these with work, they are awesome to drive and powerful, i love them

[@lukebrennan5780]

my 2016 iMax 2.4 petrol does about 13k a year. Zero issues, except for a year or two back, the radio needing fixing by a Brisbane mob. (would cut out randomly).

[@MrThegrimsleys]

We had a petrol to 390k. Great car 2008

[@davidkirk6249]

H1 owner here in NZ. 2010 manual with 397,000 km's. Yep, turbo and oil cooler replaced but apart from the usual serviceable items, pretty damned good. Oil and filter change every couple of months and returns between 8.5-9 litres per 100 km's

[@80nodrog]

I had an early H1 Manual Turbo Diesel and it did blow up, but i want another one. Theyre great van.

[@ultimablackmage]

The van the guys on the Garbage Time channel(a Dankpods channel, also Aussie!) that they nicknamed the Donkey Van is a much better choice. It some kind of Mitsubishi, but I can't remember which one. The fact theirs still runs is amazing. It's also immune to shoes & chairs!

[@ffnbbq]

It's a Mitsubishi Delica/Express, which was discontinued in 2013 due to being very unsafe in a crash. Last we heard that thing has repeatedly broken down or been put out of action in some way, probably because Dank forces his mechanic friend to service it badly and abuses it for content-making purposes. If he needed a reliable van to regularly use without it being a source of content itself, he would have bought a used Toyota HiAce. They're pricey, but he apparently made millions during the crypto boom, so he can afford it.

[@weirdguy187]

We had one for work and that poor van worked with in of its life 1 set of timing chains 2 sets of injectors 500000kms and it was overloaded to the point it had worn out the bumpstops

[@TheRguru1]

Loving the lawn mowing background noise

[@ReDriven]

We submitted paperwork to have all of Sydney vacated for our shoot, but we didn't hear anything back.

[@Boboo5]

I almost bought one last year, so glad i didnt after watching this. Thanks Adam

[@juki6377]

same got a v6 tarago instead, it really is the aussie version it drinks way too much

[@rusty358]

Engines that have aluminum cylinders tend to wear the hard surface and then the rings scrape the soft aluminum, resulting in fine slivers that are caught in the oil feeds to bearings.

[@matallen32]

Currently running a 99 SBV Hiace at 360k kms, I was thinking of stepping up to an I Load when it died as these are the most similar. you have given me pause for thought. maybe the new SBV Hiace instead. bieve I have another 100k in the old girl.

[@jim_jam_dseries]

Could you do a review of a pre 2005 HiAce please? I love driving mine even if you feel like you're doing about 140 when you're only doing 90 with the interesting handling dynamics. 😂

[@68404]

Ancient history mate, especially for a van.

[@ambaal]

Bought one with 129k kms and full history and what seems pristine engine on purchase, blown an engine.in 4 months.

[@eyecontrol4900]

no reason to ever buy this over a Hiace

[@berndd5278]

If people would service them as per service book (read the part where it says, service more often if running under extreme conditions) at a proper workshop that keeps an eye on the oil specifications, the engines will last 250tkm+!

[@musavirk4354]

Why does the list of problems on the diesel version sound like the same common problems that the ford superduty 6.0 powerstroke and the 6.4 powerstroke diesels had.

[@Superdisco199]

Great video. So glad I found it. I'm a falcon driver with hundreds of thousands of kays and dont think much about reliability an these video's kinda scare me straight lol.

[@edgarchudoba3441]

I've always thought they're 2nd most reliable vans after Hiace. Looks like I was wrong. What's the alternative for Hiace?

[@ffnbbq]

So, yeah, there's a reason why Toyota HiAces retain their used resell value. The commonly-seen H200 (2004-2019) is still in production for other markets, so spare parts should be plentiful for a while, too.

[@Rileyrustfishandhunt]

Have 2 of the diesel auto H1s in our work fleet. One is a 2016 and engine siezed at 60,000km and was a nightmare to warranty, didnt have it back for nearly 18 months. The 2011 one has been reliable only needing the top end gaskets replaced engine wise but the build quality is dog sh_t. Replace sliding door handles every 6 months or so and the windscreen moulds flew off down the freeway. Paint fade on plastics and surface rust around windows. I drove one from Hervey Bay Qld to Melbourne Vic and yeah, wouldn't do it again. My chiropractor loved it. Nice and big for us tradies though, plenty of space but yeah I wouldn't buy another.

[@thebests3153]

I used to drive a Suzuki APV for Australia Post while my colleagues used iloads or Hiaces. They had so many issues both mechanically and electronically. My Suzuki was immensely more reliable. One of the iloads had to have the gearbox replaced under warranty, and others were in the garage regularly! Don’t buy one!

[@UncleJoeLITE]

After all that, looks like a pass on these. A review of another competitor [insert random brand] up soon would be great. Thanks!

[@petewitt2867]

Drive a transporter for wort and a multi van for the kids. Only ever had regular maintenance. VAG ftw

[@totalcranker]

What wheels are on that i load? Are they the ford ranger wheels?

[@Bluegarage33]

Well , a while ago you chosen this Van as your TOP vanlife. Changing the goal post??

[@Lagggerengineering]

I don't get it. Why is the safety so bad? Especially if they get the traction control as standard after 2011?

[@Rockbottomsurf]

Thanks heaps for getting around to doing a van. 👍

[@Shrizer19]

Would love to see the Toyota bB!

[@oRAGAK]

I brought an 2011 imax at 180k km and it blew up at 185k km

[@TheHayabusa09]

Hired one of these (diesel) the other day to shift a full load of furniture/white goods. Stunned at the performance on offer and drove it back empty, like I stole it. Very impressive!

[@ScreamsAtTreeso7]

I ran a fleet of 8 of these, 10 total over the time ranging from 2011-2019. The engines consistently died at 300,000km with regular servicing. We ended up with 2 donor vehicles for spare parts from accidents. If they were still making the iload I would still be buying them. I would not buy one in isolation though.

[@68404]

So sell them at 280K km..

[@boris9331]

Any reason why the Diesel engines only lasted 300k's ? Blown head gaskets, wondering if it's avoidable i.e what causes them to blow thats not great life for a diesel.

[@TheHiredSword]

Can you review the Renault Master 2014? would it be a more reliable van?

[@terrificspokesman7416]

The MPV versions are known as the i800 in the UK

[@bonjovi1354]

man u guys r addictive !!!🍷

[@simonmears1726]

Have a 2014 260ooo kays original starter motor and turbocharger needed injector s at 200ooo not cheap had oil leak i do oil changes and filter s air and fuel slight oil leak now from oil pan not to hard a job no gasket just hi temp silicone The early ones had turbo issues do to blocked dpfs and lack of oil changes i wish they did a 2tonne version would of sold heaps not a fanof new shape look small and fwd 50 kay to much

[@smooth111012]

Good camper?

[@DavidLenassi]

Been driving vans for over 30 years, these are the biggest pile of junk .I have had every problem on all the forums. they burn oil like crazy engines blow up, clutches dont last , i have had windows pop, upholstery replaced paint just falls off, wiring insulation gets brittle and wires snap. If you are a tradesman put a cage in and open the sliding doors the door opening is lucky to be 700 mm, couldn't put my old draws from my old Hi Aces in. Head unit blew up plastic trim around wind screen smashed by hail. worst van I have ever owned.

[@ArmadaAsesino]

So the diesel has the same issues the Toyota 3.0L diesels have. Doesn't seem that bad.

[@charliecasey550]

Can you do the VW Multivan?

[@eponymous7910]

You sadist!

[@johnphaceas7434]

How can that be a work van? There's not a single choc milk carton on the floor.

[@somesh7784]

please do a jaguar fpace and volvo s90

[@ardyaprilianta9732]

I see that the words "Blows up" is a common theme in this vehicle...

[@richardzedman1160]

So the million dollar question is Do the new staria load vans have same engine or different other wise its going to be a watse of time buying a new one

[@juanlawrie3666]

Different engine. Completely different vehicle

[@reckherdkek5685]

The R series in the Staria is actually good. Been used for 10 years in the Santa Fe. Detuned for the van so should last even longer.

[@johnchang3807]

It seems the korean fail engineering finally catching up on those early models of their cars. Hopefuly the later models improve significantly for future 2nd hand markets.

[@maxmackinlay618]

How does the Vito compare?

[@bigchief2331]

It's much better. Vito is one of the most reliable vans on the market and also one of the best to drive.

[@timothyeddison5172]

Engine failure in an iLoad? In what universe mate? Their reliability is what sets em apart.

[@lesklower7281]

No to much of a gamble rather have a Hiace

[@lesilestivany7839]

Ok then🤔 sounds like it's the same guy that designed the Navara D40 engine's as well 😳

[@allan2k195]

Can you guys do one on a Megane 4RS? And maybe the Hyundai i30n?

[@ReDriven]

Done! kzbin.info/www/bejne/hniUdYSYe9WUosUsi=b7RHKE23rp1J08M3

[@allan2k195]

@@ReDriven ah yes what am i on about, ofcourse i have seen this video already🤭

[@AlbionTarkhan]

Mine is a 2017 and I’ve put 260 thousand kms on it. And it’s been flogged for work for most of that time. The only thing that has gone wrong is the shit apple car play unit.

[@garycusack9247]

sounds like a mechanicel nightmare and avoid like the plague

[@bennyboi200]

Have to replace the light bulbs every 3 months

[@mammon8915]

Damn, rather liked these.

[@tba3900]

As a mechanic , we refuse to work on these iXplode . Way too often the customers haven’t got 2 cents to rub together and authorise all the repairs but can’t cough up a dollar.

[@nazuliwnl]

Review a Subaru XV next please!!

[@ReDriven]

Here you go! kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZ7UfIlue9V-h8ksi=dMzaSlSdxje7lyFy

[@nazuliwnl]

@@ReDriven nah the newer ones like 2018+

[@ReDriven]

Just need to find someone to lend us one

[@realvibephotography9706]

Damn you Hyundai/ Kia... you build such great vehicles with s$!t engines Why would you go to such an effort to engineer everything really well except the thing which makes it go... iload, Sportage...

[@tamtam19454]

The drivers seat bolster on literally EVERY iload i looked at looked like it had been eaten by a dog.

[@eponymous7910]

As a general rule; Asian petrols good, Asian diesels bad

[@reckherdkek5685]

For Japanese makes this is true. Korean, the opposite.

[@twisterli9177]

​@@reckherdkek5685so korean diesel is better than petrol?

[@reckherdkek5685]

@@twisterli9177 Generally