Redshift GPU Rendering Hardware Guide 2017

[@YellowDogltd]

We used to use dual 1060 as standard but now we are using dual NVIDIA Tesla P100 and we haven't looked back. This is one of the best GPU spec explainers on KZbin.

[@CinematographyDesign]

Nice, I want a GV100 for the denoiser when it comes out!11 And Nvidia RTX

[@jessicajessica4514]

YellowDog 3D Tips what was your experience on dual 1060? Is it laggy?

[@YellowDogltd]

Jessica jessica wouldn't say laggy but we always have to think about performance vs price for our customers and the 1060 just didn't quite do it for us in our early benchmarking.

[@MylonasFilms]

Just found you and i'm an Australian DP working my way up. I work with C4D too and incorporate it into my work. Love your site mate you answer all my questions in my head. legend

[@ELECTR0HERMIT]

impeccable breakdown, huge boost thanks for this...

[@chosenideahandle]

For those interested, sometimes it's possible to pick up a 980Ti for quite a bit less than a 1080Ti in the used market. It's not for everyone, but if you get one from a trusted seller it can be great. I bought one used for $400 a few months ago. It may make multi-gpu machines a little more accessible for some. Very cool that you put in the work so we can all have this info here!

[@myoriginalname]

Or maybe just get a used 1070 which is roughly about the same price and performance than a 980 Ti. I mean, don't know about GPU 3D rendering, but for gaming they both perform fairly equally.

[@chosenideahandle]

The unfortunately the 1070 has far fewer Cuda Cores for the money (what you want for Redshift), so I've steered away.

[@N7Tonik]

could you tell me ur pc setup because i'm also planning to buy a 980ti and it would interest me what for components you else chose :) hope u reply

[@innerforce7395]

The problem I have is that redshift crash my c4D when rendering in Ipr. And i have a 2080ti

[@kevinlumoindong3498]

i think the reason non reference card are not good is simply you cant stack them because of heat. there's nothing wrong with the open air cooling card. theyr'e tough and not easy to break. i stack 4 open air cooling card myself and once i added a noctua fan on the side of it to blow air, it stays cool

[@sLimstiften]

I have a 1080 and a 970, and it works totally fine

[@andyoaryoga7861]

hope you reply. so it is true that multi GPU cards with different version could work together in redshift? i have 1060, and im on the edge to add 1080/1080Ti in my system.

[@handlewithart]

It works with different Gpus because redshift detects number of cards installed, not the versions.

[@jonyconde]

Hello, guys, I have been looking to upgrade my computer I have a GeForce 1080ti and I would like to add the GeForce RTX 2070 do you think octane can read the two graphics cards. some people said I can have some issues is that true thanks 🙂

[@blionart]

Yes, octane read it

[@RoySherfan]

Matt, we use a Quadro for the 10-bit output to a 10-bit monitor for grading in suites like Resolve. If you can find an old Quadro to just drive the display that allows you to use something cheaper but beefier like a 1080ti for the heavy lifting.

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[@chosenideahandle]

I have an old dual hexa-core Mac Pro tower I'm running Redshift with now. You can put almost any card you want in it, and it performs excellent with Redshift. The downside of the older Pro towers is that you can't add external GPUs unless you get something like a CUBIX PCIe to PCIe unit (you can add four externals, plus your internal). Cinebench scores of these old dual Xeon machines are still comparable to new mild Ryzen and Intel builds for both GPU (upgraded) and CPU, so I haven't seen a need to change anything yet. You can also buy one of these machines already upgraded for the cost of a 1080Ti. Buying two to split up frames you need to render isn't too crazy an idea. A CUBIX setup is cost prohibitive, so the only foreseeable future seems to have me building a hackintosh or custom PC. The "modular" Mac Pro on the way will undoubtedly require remortgaging one's home, so that's out.

[@CinematographyDesign]

Have they announced a new Mac Pro?

[@chosenideahandle]

Cinematography Design they first said this year, now I hear early 2019. I was wrong about the eGPUs with my machine using a Cubix. I’ve been told the architecture only allows for as many eGPUs as there are original lanes in the old tower.

[@chosenideahandle]

An update to this. I sold my Mac Pros and built a custom PC for Redshift.

[@JohnSmith-rn3vl]

A board where people can download a test scene and render it on their PC then post the time + their hardware would be useful.

[@rehmanurdu]

Redeon rx 580 will work with redshift c4d?

[@raunar.7036]

No, Amd card doesn't work

[@ignaciosagrario]

Didnt know about that SLI problem. So I just got a second 770 GTX and I'm planning to mount them in SLI (actually I thought there wasn't another way to make them work together...). When I'm using Redshift I just disable SLI from the Nvidia control panel?

[@DaG_1337]

out or curiosity what if you use a pci 1x to 16 with its own power connection would affect performance ?

[@CinematographyDesign]

+George Alexandru David I have no idea, lol sorry

[@CinematographyDesign]

+George Alexandru David I have no idea TBo

[@DaG_1337]

Well i am not sure but from what i could find from linus tech tips it should not happen, since its ok in synthetics benchmarks as long as you use quality products and don't go like 3 meters away from the motherboard :D think i would make a test for myself soon enough and post the experience here

[@Nicolas-of6li]

@@DaG_1337 hi, old post but i consider getting a egpu that i'd connect through an x1 pcie slot and adapt it to a x16 one. Have you figured out anything about it? What i wonder is would it slow down the render perf?

[@MattyBeavs]

You the real MVP MW! For bringing the news to us TY! 🙏🏽 🤜🏾

[@CinematographyDesign]

thanks for watching :) This year is going to be fun

[@MattyBeavs]

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[@TajuSingh]

Hi I have rx 580 . Which is not compatible with octance render. Will it be compatible with red shift

[@BungeeFX]

It's planned but currently Cuda cards only

[@stevegreen9474]

Interesting - especially the perfomance hits of the WDDM driver, and Linux being so much faster.

[@CinematographyDesign]

I've never personally tested the QUADRO cards to compare with and without the WDDM, but that is what Nvidia says about them regarding GPU rendering.

[@labingkenhorth1403]

do redshift and maya support multiple gpu? (faster render speed?)

[@jirayuchulacharit1298]

what do you mean by Star Wars version?

[@ricardocc22]

For anyone who cares im using 2 old Quadro K5000 on 12Core Mac Pro 2010 and Redshift works fine...not that fast but it all works fine. There are drivers for High Sierra.

[@pablocuevas1193]

What do you think about the work of the targeta strix gtx 1060 6gb for redshift?

[@_caseyv_]

FYI The difference between 16x and 8x on the PCIe is barely noticable when rendering, if at all. It's within the margin of error when testing. www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Core-i7-7820X-vs-Core-i9-7900X-Do-PCI-E-Lanes-Matter-For-GPU-Rendering-1030/

[@CinematographyDesign]

+Casey Vigushin awesome, good to know. Puget has the best articles!

[@slerone]

Awesome break down!

[@ex8280]

nice!! Ty for the info.

[@kevinhenriques3842]

Do you think its more cost effective to rent a server, say like an azure server, rather than sink a bunch of money into hardware that will eventually need to be upgraded?

[@kevinlumoindong3498]

azure server doesnt provide rendering. and there is GPU renderfarm out there. but the price of 1 week rental can be enough to buy 1080ti . if you render often, its better to have your own hardware

[@kevinhenriques3842]

'preciate that!

[@simonhaddo3312]

Got the 1080 Ti, but still rendering on my i7-7700K :(

[@CinematographyDesign]

is that i7 old or something? I don't know the Intel processors very well

[@simonhaddo3312]

No, not really, but it's more of a gaming CPU. 4 cores, 8 threads. Wrote the sad emoji since it would be much better to render on my 1080 Ti :P

[@fedoragfx3110]

Very helpful video! Thanks! Just a few things to add though: #1 the GTX 980 Ti can easily be had for $300 on ebay, and performs higher than a gtx 1070 (not positive about 1070 ti) in gaming and 3d rendering. (and it octane it only performs slightly lower than a gtx 1080) #2 you can view redshift specific benchmarks here: www.redshift3d.com/forums/viewthread/12843/ #3 and you can view octane benchmarks (which seem to be consistant with redshift, as well as more GPUs are shown): render.otoy.com/octanebench/results.php?v=3.06.2&sort_by=avg&filter=&singleGPU=1 #4 threadripper supports a lot of PCIe lanes (and so do i9's)

[@chosenideahandle]

FedoraGFX. A 980 Ti can "easily" be found, but $300 is a little optimistic. You can expect $500, or $400 if you're lucky. On eBay, those hanging around $300 are auctions, not final prices. I agree for the number of cores it's a top pick for value using Redshift.

[@fedoragfx3110]

well back in october and november they were selling for

[@vblackrender]

Great video ! Very interesting, thx

[@redshiftforhoudini8740]

Everything in Redshift can go OOC (Out of Core)

[@CinematographyDesign]

not everything, the OpenVDB can't go OOC and it's also at a performance loss. But it's an amazing feature, I'd love be able to see how much of the scene is OOC and how much is in core.

[@redshiftforhoudini8740]

OpenVDB is a voxel storage format (www.openvdb.org), not a Redshift feature. Volume rendering is the Redshift feature, and it indeed can go out of core - and that's one of the major selling points of Redshift3D, is that your entire scene does not have to fit into VRAM. You are correct, that when assets do go OOC, it does come at some performance loss.

[@redshiftforhoudini8740]

I guess Volume rendering is the only thing that cant go OOC. This was asked and answered yesterday on the nVidia stream. Sorry for the confusion.

Thanks for making the vid, useful info! By the way I have (2) 1080 Ti water cooled by EVGA, best way to go, no heat issues. You will need the PLX chip for 4X16 that actually slows things down a little.

[@romankovalenko2910]

Thank you, man! Best Redshift hardware compare ever!)

[@danteart373]

Thank you for this video... I'm in the ​middle of transition MAC to PC...

[@marvluebke]

You can never have enough GPUs.

[@ignaciosagrario7295]

Just a noobie question: Is there anyway I can see my GPU's (I'm testing right now a second GTX 770) in redsfhit settings like in Octane? Where you can activate or deactivate one GPU, monitorize the GPU usage, etc.? Thanks! Awesome video. Thank to you, I disabled SLI for RS :)

[@jessicajessica4514]

can external gpu work for redshift? i'm using imac :(

[@CinematographyDesign]

Yes, there is a thread about that topic on our forum. Several people are using High Sierra successfully with an external GPU and Redshift

[@jbach]

Great info and presentation. Minor criticism..please use spell checker.

[@CinematographyDesign]

+Jim Bachalo thanks, yeah I made the slides in InDesign and I don't think there is a spell check built in lol

[@TheSunknown]

Take the time to check for missing letters at the very least. The work you put into making the video suffers because of it-

[@JapaneseWhiteKid]

The reference cards are definitely not better and liquid is more likely to fail

[@AndriyMisuyrak]

polygons not poligons

[@CinematographyDesign]

lol did I write that some where? Poligon is the texture website

[@jameseverett9037]

Hmm.... so more cuda cores is better. More VRam is better. Better cooling is better. Who woulda thought. Get a more expensive card if you can afford it. Glad I watched this. Still have no idea what SLI is, does, or means, or a hundred other things I wish someone would explain, but hey everyone already knows that stuff and now they just need to know whether to buy a faster card or not - like if it would help or not. Yea I can see how people in the know who've known the basics since the technology 1st came out wouldn't know that a more expensive card probably has more RAM/cudas, cooling etc. but I think I get it now. I'm off to look for the dummies den where they explain things for idiots.