'Reflections' with ls

ls, former coach of Supa Hot Crew, talks about his history in SC2 and LoL in Episode 43 of 'Reflections'
Time line of topics
00:05 Intro
00:15 ls' history with BW and SC2
27:00 What if SC2 didn't exist?
29:35 How Idra would have done if he'd stuck to BW
34:55 The greatest BW players
43:45 On skill alone, were HuK, NaNiwa and Stephano capable of becoming GSL Code S finalists?
48:20 What does it say about SC2 that there were almost no good foreign Terrans?
51:11 What if the best foreigners were all forced to play Terran in SC2
52:16 Western and Korean mentalities
55:05 The Korean training method
1:03:00 Korean coaching style
1:08:40 Apdo is better than Faker
1:15:02 Bjergsen is better than Froggen
1:17:43 Top Western pros being good
1:20:53 Korean players as talents or products of coaching
1:26:50 Coaching videos and concepts
1:31:15 His coaching style and strengths
1:33:53 His impact at the end of the split and one year from now on SHC
1:36:45 The process of working with SHC
1:40:23 A year from now, who from SHC will be considered potentially the best from their position?
1:44:40 MrRallez and why the team doesn't make him hard carry
1:51:50 ls as a Diamond 1 player in Korea
1:56:00 Will he stop playing games if coaching becomes his main focus?
2:03:00 Why the ex-SC2 players couldn't compete in LoL at a pro level.
2:07:39 Player inconsistency based on champions and the meta
2:12:22 Advantages the West has over Koreans
2:14:26 Final words

[@DerPsychoPanda]

his life is so sad, and even tho all this bad things happened to him, he became what he is today. I have tons of respect for u LS

[@Julian-jy6jp]

and just getting bigger, hopre the hard work pays off

[@unlimited1652]

"no one cared who i was until i put on the mask"

[@rocksgrace28]

I wasn't a big fan of LS at first, but he grows on you. He's fucking brilliant, and even kind of funny when he makes analogies. He's earned a lot of respect from me over time. Let's all not be too quick to judge shall we? :)

[@tacosyk]

He's hella biased towards Korea though, and always has been.

[@alexeiabakumov9734]

TacosWillPronUs When people say koreans are better they arent doing it because they're biased. It's just a really obvious fact to anyone who analyses esports.

[@tacosyk]

Alexei Abakumov 'Hurrdurr, Challenger in Korea=Silver in NA and EU' he has said that countless times (Of course I'm not quoting him or anything, but he says things along the same line as that). Yeah competitively-wise, Korea would shit on the Western teams, but he referenced SoloQue.

[@pauldevienne8247]

I dont get all the negative comments. Ok, he's wearing a mask and the audio isn't the best, but isn't the content worth listening to the interview anyway? Do you think he likes wearing it? He needs to wear it and it´s better for his health, and that´s more important than a perfect audio. Just be happy to get so much information and start respecting other people, if you cant deal with a mask then dont watch, no need to leave salty comments that obviously wont have any positive impact on anything. And about the surgery thing, you can't judge someone you dont know and it´s none of your business. I am personnaly uncomfortable with plastic surgery but it doesnt mean I will criticize him. He lives in a completely different environment than all of us and it changes everything. I wish he could finally get a bit more support because his contribution to the community has been amazing so far and he definitely earns some respect.

[@MrVentureMan]

Thank you!!!!

[@Joedrops]

So what if we are getting content? It is their business to provide content, and it is in their best interest to make it good. Criticism is not always an attack. It can be people providing pointers so they can enjoy it more because they want to consume said content. Also, it is unprofessional. I can't say much about the mask, but the audio is bad on any standard. Simple measures can be used to improve the quality, like using lapel microphones. That would avoid having the mic getting blown by the fan, for instance. Don't be so sensitive about people giving advice and criticism.

[@pauldevienne8247]

I understand your point of view. Constructive comments are a good way to improve content and point out some mistakes that could be avoided in the future in order to produce better quality content, I agree. My comment was more directed towards purely mean or meaningless comments that could just hurt without doing any good. Both LS and Thorin are smart enough to make the difference between smart and stupid comments, but I just felt like I had to say something considering the amount of dislikes and such reactions. I'm just saying whenever you post something you have to think about consequences and some people dont seem to realize their words can hurt, that´s it.

[@FallbackTVProd]

How about when he used to map hack in tournaments?

[@user-tn3qb9rs7g]

FallbackTVProd but he said that he didnt know the consequences and in the video most of the match fixing is cause either they dont realize the consequences or they were way too good at the time and they wanted it to be more fun

[@MANSOURI09]

While he is annoying and often tries to hard to play the victim no one can deny he is incredibly intelligent. His ability to go pro in 4 games is a testament to that

[@crystyxn]

+Rashad Mansouri starcraft and Lol? which are the other 2 games?

[@FruchteisMitErdbeer]

he played poker and fighting games, though he was never a pro in a fighting game (or lol for that matter). Maybe he refers to some other game, but I can only think of sc and poker

[@crystyxn]

i think magic the gathering too?

[@ethanlin9548]

crystyxn yea and also yu gi oh

[@pumpernickel1955]

that is no indicator for intelligence... it just indicates discipline

[@Crazd22]

LS was ready for the coronavirus outbreak in 2014

[@omgwateverlol]

why the dislikes? Who cares about last shadow the interview was fucking awesome! I want them to do more of this! I love learning about pro gamers lives and what they think about life and stuff.

[@DimebagDixon]

I think most of the dislikes are because of the horrible audio quality

[@nikolia9z0mbiez]

Joe Dixon I hope it is!

[@nikolia9z0mbiez]

Yeah and he was also 13 years old.. I get what your saying tho!

[@xGabi22]

Sound problems + LS bw reputation. Many people are like i see ls i dislike it.

[@BazyLazy]

Disliking cause I thought this was about ISIS.

[@BankaiKid079]

Really enjoy the content from your youtube LS. I've learned a lot from you, keep it up

[@DaOtisElevator]

I knew there was a reason Artosis, Tasteless, Scarlett, and so many other respectable people respect LS. I did not know he cheated at only 12 years old, it's actually stupid that people care about what he did. His life story is actually amazing.

[@SlvlZero]

Amazing interview. Glad I gave it a chance despite the Audio.

[@enigmasadrenaline6]

LS is awesome, great reflections episode

[@andrazfiser4673]

Before this video i never heard about this guy, and to be honest first few moments i thought he wasn't worth listening watching (my bad). But after i watched it my opinion changed completely. He is a bloddy genius, and he has a very good perspective on looking at things and making an opinion about every thing noted in this interview, that it is just amazing to listen to, and I think all the people that hated it, should start making two opinions about things like he does, not just stick to your own hate/love becuase that's what makes a good person who can teach you something or who can teach some things to anyone. Huge respect.

[@ShadowNinja002]

Thumbs up, very informational interview that covers a wide-range of aspects in LoL and E-Sports. good job Thorin on interviewing LS! Gratz for making it LS

[@andrewfender2896]

Great interview, always liked LS, he's a super smart guy and a great teacher. Only problem is that the audio is far too quiet, unfortunately.

[@DeliriousHypedrop]

When ever LS say "what ever" take a drink..

[@Daklos]

Its kind of... You know?

[@VenomousStare]

Really intersting interview. Glad LS was so open. I don't know why he failed to mention IdrA during the sc2 ladder portion, who shoved EVERYONES shit in on the KR ladder. He was 100 points above the next highest person along with Fruitdealer. He was also playing Zerg is the awful season 1 map pool: Steppes, Lost Temple, ECT.... Great interview overall. Lots of interesting insight!

[@cho9341]

"But i'm not a rapper."- Only true fans will understand.

[@werAinlol]

Fans who have watched him for about a month will understand, you're comment is about as useless as cloud drake.

[@Master51506]

Meh, i think cloud drake is way more useful than this kidd.

[@pittaaaabread]

SIQ INSULT KAPPA

[@Minib34ts]

Cloud drake is actually pretty useful. You just need to physically understand how it is useful.

[@pickabolt4015]

Please enlighten me on how Liquid drake is good (cloud), you need atleast 3 cloud drakes for it to be comparable to fire and water, and why would you rather have 3 cloud drakes when you could have 3 fire or water drakes? Even mountain is better because of the pressure you put on baron.

[@SamiNami]

all in all a very interesting interview, thx ls and thorin

[@Tobbeatt]

ive never heard of this guy before. but he made a good impression on me in this clip

[@TheModedEzio]

I guarantee you’d struggle to dislike this guy if you knew him on a personal level. This is complete bravery to talk about this type of stuff and I’m glad he proved his critics wrong !

[@benjaminhoppiejr]

Fuck this is sad. I love ls so much and I hate it when good hearted people struggle like this. I hope he is better now.

[@xeptr0211]

+Sir Hops Alot He is a pro coach in league now, well he at least coached lcs teams and now he is private coach, but he makes a lot of money and is best private coach atm

[@sandisweil7033]

jesus at 1:30:15 just inspired i mean godamn

[@cabalisk5947]

Props to the guy/gal that held a microphone for over 2 hours.

[@699]

Cool surgeon Shen cosplay!

[@jamesglasgow693]

I feel sorry for Thorin having to hold that microphone up for like 15 minutes at a time.

[@willek1335]

Thanks for the interview Thorin and LS. You are both pretty good at what you do, so keep going and I will keep tuning in. I don't know if you answer questions in youtube comment, but is SI played live now or is it only VOD?

[@DevilUkelele]

Ok I didn't know at the time, but now I know why he says "you know what I mean?" all the time.

[@BreakBubbles]

Why does he?

[@DevilUkelele]

Variety Gamer Well I guess I took a year to answer and he doesnt even have this mannerism anymore, but I think that it was because he was used to speak English with people that dont have English as their mother tongue (AKA Koreans), so every once in a while you have to make sure that you are being understood.

[@Yatsura2]

_"You know what I mean? You know? Its like what I mean, you know? You know what I mean?"_

[@mhi8671]

Everyone needs to stop bitching about LS, he is a FANTASTIC coach, and knows league of legends like no other.

[@chillmegachill]

LS, you're a cool dude! Keep on truckin man.

[@adamw1145]

LS the time traveler . Masking before the covid pandemic

[@Ethnx]

man thorin, you mic sucks mate.. but great Reflections, watched the whole video this guy is awesome

[@moosesandmeese969]

That is downright horrifying to know that all you have left is poker at a casino. Drunk tourists are going and playing for fun while your second chance at life literally depends on these poker hands. Absolutely terrifying. This guy has come such a fucking long way

[@tyriqueowns12]

great kassadin cosplay

[@diegolegrand7515]

To be honest, I found it hard to like you at first. Ofcourse due to the fact that it's never nice to hear that your region sucks at your fav. game, which is understandable, but finally I was really thought on WHY the koreans are actually so much better and not that they just are, so now I can find peace with that I guess. Also, I think you're an extremely smart and passionate kid and I admire that and I think that if you try you can make it a lot further than this.(not that this isn't far but you get my point) Just keep doing what you love, and try to love what you do. Be happy, the internet sucks don't take it too harsh. At the end of the day, all that matters is your own happiness. Greetings from Diego Holland

[@simargl2454]

this guy is fucking amazing

[@iwillnoteatzebugs]

not many people know but Thorin helped a lot LS

[@ZachFrostylegendoflol]

Please coach TSM

[@Bilbog]

The drink changes colour throughout the video :D

[@Toast4tw]

Sick Surgeon Shen cosplay bro!

[@TommyJ0h]

Norway hype! - I remember him, being all Godlike and stuff.

[@Noakesgaming]

Seriously? Why is he getting so much hate. this video isnt looking for sympathy he is just telling his story.

[@jensa91]

Really like the interview but for a site like OnGamers I think the audio is unacceptable. There must have been another way to record the audio? Or delay the interview and record it under better circumstances.

[@alexanderschwarz242]

1:30:38 Church9 headpriest LS Prophesysign the arrival of our Lord Chovy

[@stankoivanov2536]

I just want to meet him irl and hug him

[@joaofleumatico]

LS is the guy who cheated like 10 years ago but the starcraft community won't forget, but it is fair to say that he was a legit player for awhile (considering that he wasn't korean).

[@funnyjoshua641]

He cheated at 13, and when he came back to WOL he became a pro player.

[@TheGPel]

i fell in love with him, once he started talking about chess.

[@ludenstempest8244]

Chess + League my favourite duo.

[@dakevzy]

Wise words to end the interview

[@puresecs199]

First off, good job on your content Thoorin, you keep it 100% and I appreciate that. Secondly, I agree with most of what my KZbin constituents are saying, I really dont like this guy. His belief's on "achievements only mean work not skill" is absurd. In every sport ever the greatest players in a game are judged by winning (championships, medals), their stats, and how their team mates and opponents viewed them. LS might be the only guy in the world that views the success of winning a poor measure of skill. There's a reason why people consider Michael Jordan the greatest player of all time vs Magic Johnson or Larry Bird. LS has this problem of really good players not getting the recognition they deserve and you can see how passionate hes about it and how it reflects his personality.

[@LSXYZ9]

No what I said is achievements do not always equal skill only worth, which is true. Michael Jordan is worth a hell of a lot more than most players ever, because of his achievements, which once came from skill. It does not mean that other players cant be better than him after a period of time (faker vs apdo) ... If you're good, you get recognition in any sport, even the worst NFL/NBA players still make tons of money/get credit in some way, but you don't see that in e-Sports as often.

[@puresecs199]

lastshadow9 Im sure your not as broad as you come out to be in this interview but the way you reference Apdo not getting not getting the respect and notoriety comes off salty as fuck. To some degree I think that its true, the common fan takes a great play from a single match and comes to the conclusion that said player is "godlike" and the best. Its very prolific on reddit and completely understandable why players in the scene find it offensive and annoying. Heres the thing, in every sport, with talking head shows (90% of the garbage on ESPN), despite their admiration for a great player or great team, the best player or the best team is always acknowledged with achievements because of the perception of what a real champion is which to me is someone who wins.

[@Born2Prank1]

but why did he get homeless?

[@ohbe18]

My guess is because his family disagreed with him being gay.

[@mathieusinigagliese7954]

He moved to korea for SC2. Then he moved on LoL and played/coached with few high korean teams but he's not good enough to make a living out of it. His only income is from 'coaching' soloq players.

[@TheLongestReign]

Matt S Actually, he coaches the Supa Hot Crew. He makes his living from that and coaching solo queue players.

[@DerBischa]

Josh he dropped that job 2-3 weeks ago

[@TheLongestReign]

DerBischa I forgot to reference it in past tense, sorry. But I was more focusing it towards the fact you said he wasn't good enough to make a living from coaching, when he is.

[@FallbackTVProd]

ls, former coach of Supa Hot Crew, and map hacker.

[@Beyblader1988]

I luv dis dude

[@BigJenk78]

One big thing "who is a fan of the not top teams?" cj is still insanely popular and hasnt been top 3 in a year.

[@k4polo]

I thought this with good. I wasn't where of big aftermath of former E-sports players. We are not use to E-Sports scene. League introduce hundreds thousands of people into this scene that we are not quite familiar with.

[@BigJenk78]

Also lol pobelter now got into top 100 with 71 percent win rate in korea.

[@FLABREZU]

There's absolutely no way that Savior had a winning record against players like Flash and Jaedong after he was banned. He was barely an A-teamer before he was banned, so how would he have a winning record against the best players in the world while only playing part time?

[@soffren]

He lives in Korea where plastic surgery is expected. He's had a shit life and always felt like shit about himself. Why the hate?

[@biveofhalo]

why was there negativity towards him?

[@mfunc7095]

+sinc67 he cheated when he was young

[@biveofhalo]

ty, i asked too early, he later talked about the fixed maps

[@Deagin]

I like the shen cosplay

[@MrLeothedrummer]

Why did he already stop coaching SHC? Did he get a better offer, or was he kicked?

[@mooneeve]

Monte would approve of this Korea hype.

[@flyingmammoon4442]

Extremely interesting person

[@BrightenUpEmoBoy]

this is interesting, I'm just confused about one thing. If he didn't speak korean and hadn't lived there before, why did he want to go there so bad?

[@l.t.3724]

To try join a starcraft 2 team and get paid. Korea was the only place back then when you could get by being a pro gamer alone

[@HashtagWhattaNerd]

While I love the interview, the audio quality is atrocious. I'm sure they'll be better going forward

[@frankenstein01]

He could of told us the cure to cancer but we wouldn't know because the audio quality is so shit.

[@kavinh10]

sound quality starts being terrible at an hour and 40 mins

[@nirrch]

cant find any wiki on flare?

[@nitrostealth6]

what happened with his family ?

[@KerplunkTM]

from that thumbnail thought it's naniwa

[@ignaciooviedo8706]

Best Sub-zero Cosplay

[@Razleryt]

Dr Shen cosplay.

[@wiggle3309]

I like LS.

[@Coastlyfe]

Really like LS, but gonna dislike just to entice oG to get the audio quality up. Shit like SI etc sound quality is fine but this was cancer. *not just bc of the mask btw, thorin sounded like shit.

[@PoeNumba1]

Does anyone know why hes wearing a mask?

[@TubbyPvP]

i dont really feel sorry for him, he ventured into korea without stable options, thats like if i went to some random country and then bitched cus i couldnt find a place to live...

[@npatoogreezy]

LOL i just died... he put justin beiber and mj on the same level...

[@Jdgoldf]

Whats on his face?

[@jamesgarza95]

is he cosplaying Mason Verger? (that guy that Hannibal made eat his own face)

[@AlexxSheikh]

The audio on this is pretty much garbage, why do ongamers always have terrible production quality in pretty much everything they do.

[@SuperXMysterYe]

he said bjergsen is better than froggen im done. no wonder SHC dropped out of the playoffs in the first round

[@brandonmorehead7919]

froggen has been decent this season and hasnt done anything amazing but bjergsen has been carrying most of tsm games

[@potowogreedo]

L2P twitter.com/Im_ls/status/497405906330472448

[@mangobango2o4]

I don't think you comprehend what he said. On AVERAGE meaning take 100 games and avg out froggens performance over bjergsen then yes Froggens average games will be better than bjergsens, performance wise. But there will be 5 games out of that 100 that bjergsen will perform at level that froggen will never be able to achieve. Yes bjergsen hypothetically went ham on those 5 games. But putting all those 100 games together on avg Froggen will out perform him even though bjergsen reached a level that froggen couldn't.

[@MrJuajejo]

Brandon Morehead Froggen has an insane knoledge level of the game, he knows everything about matchups, comps, teamfighting, rotations and win conditions. Bjerg looks cooler because of his very aggressive playstyle, but his game decisions are sooooo bad and dumb.

[@9yorgos]

bjergsen shits on froggen kid

[@atom095]

Korea is 300km by 120km according to LS

[@jessehafdal7692]

Why does he always where that mask?

[@Norway1503]

Michael Karlsen lol, his name is Magnus Karlsen.

[@seorwhite3333]

I had no idea he was gay, he's pretty funny though

[@EmA727]

RIP. the audio quality

[@xboxfullauto1000]

Apdo might be better than faker in SOLO QUEUE not competitive play.

[@ShoorfLonelyLokly]

At first i didnt like the video, but further it goes - better it gets.

[@VontariOG]

why does he have that think infront of his face?

[@MentalFrogg]

***** He had plastic surgery, so he had to wear it for a while

[@---re4qi]

***** He used to play for so long that the dark circles got too extreme so he removed fat from his thigh to make his eyes not look like they were non-existent

[@0x7FFFFFFFFFFF]

***** cuz he wants to look like a pretty anime character.

[@ArkaidynSenpaii]

***** Its like a korean thing that your supposed to wear one of those when you are ill or something.

[@DoggyP00]

"stephano [is] aids" - ls

[@jakemedwards1]

is his head going to pop?

[@samualmonte]

lmfao ls is so stupid sometimes, Platinum 1 on KR equivalent to Diamond 1 in NA. Hype that myth a little more, like it hasn't been dis-proven already.

[@emilemongiat2378]

samualmonte are you aware of how hard Korean solo queue is compared to every other region? Stop acting like you know more than this guy. You’re nothing.

[@tjjohnson1040]

What did he have surgery on?

[@PoisonB478]

Eyes and face in general

[@ssbmfiji5079]

+Olaf Von Olafsen for what?

[@aarongodwin6302]

stephano was just an abuser of roach timings and infestor/broodlord. truly a patchzerg

[@TheTeamOden]

what was his bad history he mentioned?

[@axol11]

Is there a reason that he is wearing a mask? Is he sick, and if he is, do you know what he is sick with?

[@tomatofarmerlarry3331]

he is sick something with his lungs I think and the mask is because plastic surgery

[@360tantan]

i dont know this guy but i thought the interview was entertaining to watch even though it was 2 hours.

[@adde6789]

why does he wear a mask?????

[@Koudys_1]

plastic surgery

[@andrewfender2896]

He had some plastic surgery recently and he needs to wear it for a while.

[@ageofmich]

he cosplays shen

[@ripperbelgium]

It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan

[@CombateArmsOndraya]

Look at his face, it's red, he's sweating, and it looks like he could use some sleep; I think he's sick.

[@sights363]

Jesus christ that audio

[@Paddythelaad]

Stephano style is like aids....YES!

[@Tomorrow_Big]

soundquality sucks