The First Descendant - Will it Last?

[@ReforgeGaming]

LIVE DISCUSSION - kzbin.infoh6xCkoDm-2Y

[@SuperfluousIndividual]

The game needs some sort of arena that spawns random mobs and bosses with randomized loot, or a bunch of large loot tables that you can choose from. Mainly to get players away from the repetitive missions that you need to do all the time. The special operations don't really do that, and the rewards are beyond garbage for the amount of time you're supposed to stay there for, while intercept battles are ok, but somewhat mindless. And those that aren't mindless... require 3 people, meaning trying to beat the bosses with other people who may or may not have a brain which leads to endless amounts of frustration. Speaking for myself, hanged man was painful to beat once, and when I got to obstructor and saw 3 minimum players required, I have yet to beat it. The devs have been listening though, so the biggest wall for improvement is already broken, which is really good.

[@zinthos1952]

It’s looking like the devs have the right mind set when it comes to pleasing their player base

[@ReforgeGaming]

agreed

[@BrianMiddleton-bi3yc]

I heard horror stories from nexon but love the attitude and changes they made. Not to mention things they didn't change

[@ImJustYourAverageAmerican]

@@BrianMiddleton-bi3yc The horror stories are not stories, it’s horror history BUT and this is a big ass but, when they got sued into oblivion some laws made it required for businesses in (I think) Japan to disclose all drop rates for anything wether it’s MTX or in-game. Nexon was always relatively good community wise but it was found they were manipulating drop rates, Now that is impossible (you can go look at the drop tables for everything in the game even combine mod lists if you relocate to Japan using vpn and translate).

[@cynthiahembree3957]

@@ImJustYourAverageAmerican Yeah a lot of nations are looking more closely at that especially Korea which is where Nexon operates from

[@narcolepticinsomniac]

as it turns out from there latest tweet...not quite lol

[@Seveinis]

I really like the game, im 400 hours in and while I do have my complaints all and all it’s not that bad. 1. the battle pass still being horrendous is one. I don’t need skins for weapons that aren’t used past lvl 40 for mastery rank. If you don’t want to give the players back their monetary value in the pass like most other games then give blue prints for catalyst and activators to make it feel worth it. Even the ultimate weapon included is lack luster, the damage is on par with the tamer (which is good) but nothing that gives players fomo to get it 2. the patches we got make farming for resources easier but the grind for ultimates is still a tad bit over tuned. I know the pity system / new currency is coming out soon which I’m excited to see 3. The new format for farming Hailey is not good at all imo, hopefully just a one time thing 4. Story, I hope they change focus to really tap into the backstory for descendants with cutscenes. It will drive an emotional attachment between players and have them come back. Reading the bunny logs was 10x better than the main story. Looks like they might be doing this with freyna and I hope so

[@Seveinis]

I do think this game will last without a doubt, I just hope it reaches the vision both players and devs have for it

[@blastie89]

I believe Nexon has realized that TFD can become their next big gold mine if they handle it right and don't do the mistakes of the past. Game is pretty fun but it they need to fix and improve lot of stuff, gladly the devs are hearing the community so far.

[@VictorMayhem]

I think it's too early to tell. This is only Pre-season after all. They have more characters, weapons, and mega-dungeons planned. Also, they have responded well to OP builds and specific farms. The loop so far has been good. But....the future endgame needs to be engaging and give a reason to continuously prestige weapons and characters. It has a good base to build on.

[@ReforgeGaming]

yup, still feels a bit early to judge, but they've got a good start

[@redrag0n_]

There's a cap on how many characters you can use. I think it's 10 descendants at max atm.

[@DirtRabbit]

Yup this video hits the nail on the head. They’ve got solid, fluid gameplay. They’ve got great character design. They need something more than, essentially, grind to grind more. Creating a rewarding and engaging grind is not a simple task. Games fail this all the time. I agree that they need end game activities that drop high end loot. Running the same missions ad-nauseam just to finally get your weapon/descendant only to find that afterwords you’re just running the same stuff. It doesn’t have legs. It hits a hard wall.

[@djswann8092]

Agreed big time, i was all for the grind, was working on getting gley crafted and everything but then uninstalled when i found out endgame is basically just playing through a story that i don't care about all over again, ill hop back in when they add dungeons and stuff, hopefully those are good.

[@jaketheman1577]

Now you're just lying. Everything about this game is painfully generic.

[@zelohendricks51]

​@jaketheman1577 it's called an opinion clown. "Lying" hold zero merit here

[@DirtRabbit]

@@jaketheman1577 Two things can be true at the same time. You say generic and I point out the specific reasons that someone might say make the game generic. You’re not wrong. But I’m not really wrong either. The point is, can they break through that “generic” wall. No need to call anyone a liar :)

[@Luccabs__]

I absolutely agree, I was engaged with farming and all but the endgame is extremely repetitive, honestly feels like pointless grinding, you farm to be able to farm better basically

[@ItsJustHenriHeck]

Tight video, I enjoy the game and once I finish the campaign I'll put it down until the next big update. Grinding missions for resources to make weapons or Descendants just to then grind those same missions over again just isn't interesting to me, New things to do are.

[@ReforgeGaming]

yup feel the same way

[@HoldenEsck]

assuming the game lives on there indeed will be content you just won't be able to do unless your carried because you didn't grind. it's kinda the point of the game. but play at your own pace is the best way to enjoy it!

[@PorscheGOD]

Ive read many comments but this one is the cleanest truest one. Things are repetive with no reason and motive which gets you burned. Keep fighting the same colossuses in the same arenas. If they want to keep the game alive the need to expand areas every season like what Destiny does. I have 2000+ on Destiny 2 after i got burned. Iam on 350 hours on TFD and iam already burned. If they dont change things the game will be dead by the end of the year. Will end up like Outriders

[@abigwreck]

It came out that their response to the Valby run farm was a mistranslation. They very explicitly call out that they are NOT buffing other farms, but nerfing the valby run farm to be like others. So, now im doubting the whole tone of all of their reaponses, as there may be more conveyed by the translators and not the devs themselves.

[@mizunaut]

Yeah, not hiring a professional translator for community engagement/management is a huge mistake. During their livestream they use a slow and not entirely accurate speech to text program to communicate to their english speaking audience. I feel they could definitely shell out some funds for a good translator on their payroll.

[@zero2nineAU]

One thing that I haven’t seen anyone talk about re: maintaining engagement is an evolving narrative. The big inspo for TFD are Warframe, Destiny and The Division. While the division is glacial, lots of people are engaged with and follow the story, and Warframe does amazing unexpected things consistently. And then, there’s destiny lore channels that are hours long. TFDs story isn’t good, there’s lots of localisation issues, and some poor voice acting, lots of people skip it. I’ve seen KZbinrs continually pronounce “kuiper” wrong which says a lot. The main story is basically “get the iron heart, whatever that is, oh the barrier between dimensions is weak i guess? The Vulgus are bad guys obviously.” There’s three different factions of Vulgus - but we barely know anything about them. There’s fire guys, poison guys and cyborgs/zappy guys. We learnt a little about the order of truth, they seemingly use biomatter to procreate and are now infesting humans. But that’s about it, right now it feels like the campaign is a setup for stuff, but man if Nexon/Magnus want to compete in the western market they need to get some really good localisation going and build a narrative that’s worth consuming. Did you know the guy who voices Ajax is Geralt in The Witcher games? They have good actors, but the material and direction really needs to improve. FF14 might be bonkers JRPG to the max, but they have a top tier localisation team and voice talent. I think they have a really good base for building systems and content, I think that’s pretty clear - the crunch is good, but it needs the fluff too.

[@NamelessPassenger]

Agree, they should revamp the whole story. It was so boring right now that i feel nothing attached. I think they could do it because most of story was telling from NPC. All fhe cutscenes was good so i see no point of touching those. Just rewrite it to have more depth…adding extra sub quests to extend the story. I wouldn’t mind re-walk through storyline again.

[@billy_cross]

Shooter the psychological effect is already built in completion is home is the psychological effect that will keep people playing this game just like it kept people playing Warf frame for 12 years wanting to collect each and every You can level it up, equip them and get them to the best troll gear. That’s what will keep this game going just like it did Warf frame. You really don’t think that people played the same character all these years through Warf frame just to play the expansions every other year, I’m not saying the expansions were bad just the opposite. They’re all they’re awesome. The cinematics are awesome. Everything about the game is awesome but what kept people playing all these years was the thousands of weapons to collect and level up and the 50+ war frames to craft and level up.

[@VideoHostSite]

I have nearly 5k hours into Warframe. I saw them ban a guy for saying "Can we keep politics out of our space-ninja game?" over general chat. I've seen them issue "hate speech" bans for disagreeing with the Canadian government over the severity of Covid. I will never waste another moment of my life on them.

[@deadpoolcorps2]

Definitely needs more incentives and rewards for our time, maybe some skins we can grind for, variety in missions, and I will say that mission where you use your shield to move the bot is very tedious. Maybe it’s just me tho

[@kazeoniwaban9786]

This game is using a tried and true loop of grind and loot. There’s nothing to tell. All they have to do is add to it and adjust which they are already doing. Tired of destiny and division players trying to change warframe format. It doesn’t need to do the stuff yall want. It’s a fantastic and worthwhile game and the devs are kinda amazing

[@grantgooch5834]

People misinterpreted a dev post to say they were going to buff the other outposts by 2-300%. What the devs actually said is they like the gameplay loop of the Valby farm and are keeping it but the rates are due to a bug where enemies spawn infinitely and are too high to stay in the game. They're fixing the bug without removing the farming method and bringing other farming methods up to the new rates of the Outpost farm.

[@ReforgeGaming]

thanks for the info!

[@ericmatthews9894]

@@ReforgeGaming I agree. I have been thinking the same thing. The way they worded that will give a lot of people the wrong idea, then these people will start complaining again saying Nexon lied.

[@ghostyyyx-9019]

@@ericmatthews9894completely agree with this. Because it wasn’t that they directly lied it was merely a translation issue which yea is pretty bummer but at the same time they do intend to still buff other farms which at the end of the day was the more positive of the updated post

[@willslls8901]

Yea I'm already over the grinding. I have only 4 characters unlocked. The ones that don't require crafting the components. I was grinding for hours and was getting angry to the point where I was yelling at the game. The devs really need to add daily and weekly rewards for those of us who dont have a lot of time to waste.

[@smooth_jazz8877]

I think the grind for ultimates is too long. I often log off with little to no progress after hours of playing. It feels bad and makes me want to quit and go back to warframe where my time is valued and I can make noticeable progress after an hour or 2 long session

[@ReforgeGaming]

they are looking into grind efficiency

[@javionholley397]

No way you just said your time is valued from Warframe I have 1000 into Warframe have almost everything 😂Grind is worse there go farm for a r5 Arcane Energize

[@tambulee]

That’s the point of a free to play game. It’s a job. You are intended to grind.

[@Ballerman-zo4wz]

@@javionholley397 ultimate is the same as prime in warframe so compare it to that and you can get prime in wf much faster.

[@javionholley397]

@@Ballerman-zo4wz true but in WF it’s easier to get a prime then the normal variant really isn’t supposed to be like that

[@panchozo7365]

So far, first month of the game has a lot more content that any looter shooter in his first year, also devs are fixing things without nerfs, I left Destiny2 cuz im having more fun here

[@ReforgeGaming]

sounds good!

[@DirtRabbit]

Two things can be true. They did have a pretty solid launch. They also do not currently have a system that has legs. It does hit a point where you look at the game and say “well I could grind for x character/weapon… but why?”

[@tonysmith9905]

@@DirtRabbit “well I could grind for x character/weapon… but why?” ....that's the entire point of a looter shooter? Like wot? The majority of players that linger around after story drops are going to be those wanting that gameplay loop.

[@tangomilano4503]

"first month of the game has a lot more content than any looter shooter in his first year" - which ones?

[@DirtRabbit]

@@tonysmith9905 I know, it’s a bit hard to articulate. I definitely see your point because I’ve wrestled with what I mean myself. For example, I loved Destiny for many years but you could easily say the same thing with that game, or any other looter of which I play many. Perhaps the lack of build diversity, and subsequently build altering gear, make this game feel just too shallow? Maybe a lack of diverse end game content to aspire to? I’m not sure exactly how to articulate how I feel about this particular looter. It just *feels* more shallow than other looters. Wish I could give you some more specific critiques. But after completing the campaign and unlocking hard mode I know a lot more people are going to feel this way.

[@lPolysy]

We need the real boss battle with the main villian or a battle with his wingman. Not this colossi bs. Story was ok, duration wise but they can pretty much double the length if they add those 2 battles in future

[@NoobMasterSSS]

Good point on one way to destroy their own game, and that is nerfing everything. One recent example is Helldivers 2. I was having a shit ton of fun, but they nerfed everyone’s fav load-out. They did try to buff it back up but the damage was already done. Everyone was having so much fun and they stopped it instantly. Hope more Devs can learn from this. Never ever nerf the fun! It’s a PVE game there’s no need to nerf anything ever. So far, TFD Devs have done well, but let’s see as time goes by if they can keep up the good work. The moment they decide to nerf something that’s when we know - “Here we fucking go again.”

[@VideoHostSite]

How about we just give you a big, red, "I Win" button that instantly kills everything in the game, and pushes you to max level? After all, that's apparently the only thing you consider "fun".

[@4evermilkman]

Every dev company wants to treat their game like a business but they don't treat their playerbase like customers. We are always right, give us what we want, and we will make you rich. Put your foot down because "it's your game", we will move on

[@zdeneklanik9594]

First Descendant will last lot longer than d2

[@rowick3798]

Have about 200 hours in this game and have unlocked about 9 ppl and still having a blast with it. Different ppl have different strats for doing some of the events. Like Sharon being able to use stealth to destroy the outposts and getting a chance at more loot

[@chancefranklin3062]

I think other than what they are doing currently, two easy ideas that allow some live service games to run for a long time is A) they need to add wayy more skins and customization, destiny has some of the best in gaming and this gives a reason to spend money on cool outfits. B) I feel this game would benefit majorly from a crucible type 4v4 mode. One season they could introduce rogue descendants like Jeremy, who would serve as a team, then it becomes Albion descendants vs rogue descendants. A pvp mode gives the game an extra audience for people that want something to do besides grind to minmax endgame builds while they wait for new content.

[@genghiskhan802]

It's Fun. I was late to Warframe and Destiny 2, so I was so lost. This being New, I am now able to be in the loop of some sorts. 😅

[@gerardyimdesign]

They should definitely put character skins in their loot pool because right now it’s trash. Having the only way to get skins is to buy them it’s not a good incentive to keep playing the game. Especially for people who want to flex by showcasing a skin they got from completing a difficult dungeon.

[@joejunior4700]

All Nexon needs to do is have a community like Warframe community and be like Digital Extremes, specifically with monitization. Same with Warframe, The first Descendant it allows the purchase of convenience and Ultimate Descendants/Prime Warframes in Warframe, they'll need to balance the convenience and mtx to options the players can purchase.

[@chadburgess5540]

A few fixes, additional mission variants, seasonal releases of new descendants, a bit more customization at a slightly lesser price and story continuation DLC. Pretty much looter shooter keep em coming back 101 and I’m in for the long haul!!

[@AtomicEy]

considering there's more concept on the way and the devs listen to the community by not Nerfing what we enjoy they're doing all the right things 👍

[@themoguntian4917]

If they keep doing like they do, I'm sure the game will have a bright future. And hey! If you have good ideas, let the Devs know - they're listening. Let them cook their game, it smells great till now!

[@GrimmdarkTruth]

If the devs stay transparent and continue to be for the players, people will stick around and play. The biggest thing they need to fix is the difficulty scaling in multiplayer.

[@ReforgeGaming]

agreed on a points

[@EchoesOfTheWeary]

Basically First Descendant needs to take the FF14 route. Have raids,dungeons,arena and free companies. Etc etc you know the bs

[@billy_cross]

Don’t pay any attention to any social media at all it’s statistically true that most people pay any attention to any social media content regarding video games. Do you have enough time to get an hour in playing they just log on and play don’t worry about what you said or some other KZbinr said they don’t worry about anything and read it. They just play their game the closest they come to using any kind of Internet in relation is when they have to look shift up on wiki, most players don’t care about a roadmap. They only care about what exists right this minute because that’s all they have time for.

[@billy_cross]

How you’re talking about because grinds in this game places you go to grind for gear the spawn is automatic. It keeps going until that particular grind mission is done and then it stops until you restart it over and over again. You really can go anywhere on the map pick a totem start a mission and grind when the mission ends. You start the totem again grind it again over and over and over again, right now people are most likely to be grinding for things like components less than ride. Some of the hard-core players have already done all that and those are specific sub zones that you go to where they have particular ultimate ultimate component will drop and you just keep repeating the missions in there any mission in there over and over again getting drops so I’m not sure what you’re referencing about things keeping responding. They’re supposed to keep responding so you complete the mission.

[@Sam5D]

Buff the grappling hook range across the board so it can allow for interesting raid boss fights like maybe for the transition to the bosses 2nd phase players gotta use there grappling hook while a big ass boss chases behind you ready to one shot you if you dont make it to the next arena

[@chriskillz3994]

So I just finished the campaign played a few hard levels and bosses I just don't see the reason to play anymore grind for the ultimate descendants, better mods more catalysts, for what? So I can beat the boss better?

[@ryanc9296]

still playing and still loving the game. used to play warframe...havent since TFD released

[@TrevorThatBandanaGuy]

granted that i haven't finished the story yet but what id love to see is massive group battles something like star wars battlefront 2

[@theonewhoknocks2809]

My thing is a raid or dungeon in TFD feels like it would be a lot more of the same but with more enemies and bosses

[@daniloribeiro5372]

5:55 he described warframe

[@TheDeFiler316]

Then the devs pull back because of a "mistranslation".

[@lazydgsf7429]

Don’t know but I finished Molten Fort and the fun all dried up. End game is misery for me. You don’t get loot in end game. You end up with an inventory full of utterly useless posts. Don’t care about the grind. As of now the game is still installed but I doubt it will be 2 weeks from now.

[@ReforgeGaming]

i touch on that in the vid

[@kazeoniwaban9786]

This just isn’t true, unless you literally have everything with perfect rolls and al ultimates

[@BookkeeperGaming]

Good vid and take on the game. I am new to the looter shooter genre, but not ftp mmo games. I am really enjoying the game and the diversity of characters/playstyles. I feel like if you are the type that sticks to one character this game could get boring very quickly in the endgame, so like you said they need that super challenging and memorable thing. Honestly, I am fine with just grinding to make each character’s meta loadout while they figure out a better endgame content. I feel like figuring out the endgame is par for the course for ftp mmo games at this point.

[@ReforgeGaming]

thanks!

[@solusapophis]

Man, your game look like a absolute cinema. Shees 😮

[@arturmagomedov02]

The game itself is fun, if they continue to listen to the customers and show the western gaming industry the middle finger and double down on the insane character outfits, they will definitely last

[@derocarroll821]

It's the same as warframe 11 years on I'm still it when i can so hopefully the first descendant is on the right path

[@Sassy32087]

If the devs continue to have the right mindset and taking advice from the community then yes I've had no problem with the game

[@ImproperStandby]

The grind and drop rates are fine, however it's just there needs to be a soft pity or a way to eventually get it without being constantly shafted by RNG.

[@tonysmith9905]

You either take trading between players or a pity system. And they've already said they're working on trading.

[@ImproperStandby]

@@tonysmith9905 I'll take a pity system, have patterns come in shards which form into full patterns after a few bits of them gathered. Normal Mode Patterns should be 1 per combine and Hard Mode Pattern should be twice or 1.5.

[@Always.Smarter]

@@tonysmith9905 why not both? warframe has both, and it has better drop rates too.

[@admiralalyssa]

TFD is great, I hope they focus more on solo or matchmade content. I quit Destiny because everything was getting locked behind group activities.

[@Trentcast]

I think if they increase drop rates just a tad it will definitely stay popular for a while

[@fathometernity9756]

When I played the beta I gave this game a month before it dies down. On release I felt different about it bc it is a fun and entertaining game but there are things I feel like players are gonna get burned out on but overall this is a fun game.

[@Jsobone]

Giving us a reason to fully spec out a character would be nice.

[@VampireNoblesse]

sofar, it has good gameplay (characters gameplay & stats min/ max building..), and lots to grind (weapons, characters, skins), and looks & sounds (sfx) great

[@billy_cross]

Your miss informed about a lot of things regarding games James tale because they suck if they don’t suck, they succeed there’s always some audience out there. There will like the game no matter what it’s about as long as it’s good in their eyes James fail because they suck I’ve been gaming since the 90s and I never played a game because they had a good roadmap or a good plan for the future. I played it because right at the minute the gameplay was good, maybe I’ll get bored with it down the road you take like every so and I come back to Warf every so often I come back to 76 download play the division two and while even though I thought that game sucked from the gecko, but it’s got good gameplay good mechanics. The shooting in the movement are good for cover shooter. It’s perfect.

[@shoot2loot]

yes it will last

[@xKingSlayer517x]

The game is enjoyable from a gameplay perspective but the endgame loop is frustratingly long and I think most havent hit that wall yet. We’ve been here before and its nothing new. If this game is going to succeed they’ve gotta change something up and create a fun/engaging loop that I want to return to and most importantly…… stay engaged with your community and dont nerf everything into the ground. Reward your players fairly.

[@ReforgeGaming]

yup, it needs more memorable gameplay as well

[@tinmyatmin6317]

I think they should make seasonal grinding rewards like skins or something very useful materials for the player

[@dizzy1derz613]

the only way to get guns is you farm one thing at a time and it takes hours sometimes then you goto the next item and the next and the next then you have to craft it(none of the guns drop from bosses they all have to be farmed one part at a time then be crafted) then when you finally get the crafting materials it takes hours sometimes days for it to craft! one of the worst loot systems I have ever seen, outside of that the game is kinda fun, but as you get to the end of the story and your character is 40, you have to reset that character so you can put on higher mods and it can take you hours to relevel and then you have to farm this crystal thing and it takes 30 hours to craft when done farming to reset your character again then you have to do the same thing for the guns in the game so if you find one gun and you like that one just use that one gun the whole time cause it will take another year to level up another one to max. have fun :)

[@sshhoott]

They need to fix the story. It needs to engage players and get people want to follow the seasons.

[@Psystylez]

The devs listen which is great. But end game needs much more, the intercepts and dungeons aren’t that challenging or fun after awhile. We need more end game content for end game builds to thrive that is challenging and rewarding, and have good replay ability.

[@ChadB90]

There's such a thing called burnout, but I think this game is fun enough to come back to and play if people take a break.

[@yaiba69]

what they should have done was locking ultimate descendants behind grind only so you are unable to buy them. that would have given this game some well deserved sense of elitism. so no one gives a fuck if you have them since everyone will automatically assume you just bought them straight away. having something to work towards you can only get by playing is underrated af.

[@maidoll_fei]

The problem is the gameplay loop is not fun enough to support the "low drop rate" You not really getting anything untill you already reach the endgame lv100 and lost interest on the gameplay. Many mission enemy spawn are same. And they got 1 hit by bunny AOE. You don't feel much team-play-coop moment though the game. It dont worth the time to grind ult character and replay the game.

[@yaiba69]

@@maidoll_fei i cant fully agree on that. you are righ that as of now the fun will last only for so long. but in the end it all boils down to whether or not the developers add more missions and overall activities to the grind. so yes, in the current state of content this wouldnt work (i guess it could but meh). so we have to see what the game will be in a few months. but this game definitely needs some sort of none purchesable goal. let it be mounts like in warcraft or professions. rn i have a good time grinding for descendants but i always have this "other people just buy it" in the back of my head which takes a lot of weight off the accomplishment if you manage to farm it.

[@Dredgen-Yor]

Personally, so far, i'm simply addicted lol. It's all i think about, especially when i'm at work lol.

[@gateofdivine582]

Vault of Glass saved Destiny. TFD definitely needs something similar but more accessible. I’ll buy battle passes, skins and other cosmetic stuff to support the game. I’m not paying for power or characters though. That will drive me away.

[@Shea_J]

I get that the loot loop is Warframe inspired, but I think Ultimate Weapons should drop the first time then you craft copies to upgrade your Ult weapon drops.

[@somfplease]

i just started playing this game and thought my ps5 glitched out where every 1/3 person in the lobby was an identical clone. i then started doing some missions with me myself and i. now i have to spend $100 for one skin from a tiny selction so i can intentionally look identical to everyone else who chose one of 2 of the descent skins.

[@tunnfisk]

If they add a video example to the word "copium" in the dictionary, I vote it be this video.

[@ReforgeGaming]

Lol wut

[@alexandersmith6869]

While I found it VERY fun at first my interest has died down due to a lack of interest in the characters themselves. They look amazing and are fun but seem to lack personality

[@ReforgeGaming]

yup, i touch on this at the end of the video

[@FuzzyMuffin1]

I think the number of players who want to bed down to one game is dwindling. You already have your staples Destiny, WOW, FF14, etc. I think unless you are completely unique, you are not going to see games be able to hold their massive followings like games used to. There are plenty to scratch that grindy ongoing itch.

[@ReforgeGaming]

or build it in a way that assumes breaks and makes it easy to come back

[@Citizen_JV]

I completely stopped playing The First Descendant because the most of my Friends went on without me, even if I asked for help but for me, I already knew that this game wasn't going to be good for me in the long run.

[@ReforgeGaming]

bummed to hear it, catching up is pretty fast tho!

[@Citizen_JV]

@@ReforgeGaming True but I might consider going back. We'll see. Keep Up the Awesome Work!!

[@jjayala]

I tried this on geforce and it was good fun. I have a retroid 4 pro coming in about a week so i plan on grinding it a little and giving it a shot.

[@evanmccue736]

The devs NEED to remove the 5 minute cooldown for certain missions, that's for sure...

[@Litoh14]

One of my main goals was to farm for ultimate bunny, after i got her i didn't last much longer playing because she's so OP to the point that you practically one shot everything even on hard mode, the real endgame is not there yet so i kinda already moved on.

[@ReforgeGaming]

yeah she is crazy strong, always a danger, you need aspirational content for her

[@themoguntian4917]

Endgame is not bashing Trash mobs with Bunny.

[@Litoh14]

@@themoguntian4917 That's what I said? The game has no endgame lol. And please don't tell me the endgame are the lame ass easy colossi 🤣

[@trevtrev1523]

@@themoguntian4917 Kinda still wild that Bunny's disc shaped aoe is actually a sphere and she can clear orbs on obstructer to the point she is necessary in a colossus fight. All the Valby players are like what is this shit? Where is my aoe that 1 shots 90% of the game's mobs that extends meters into the air that I can carry around with me.

[@Drousy1870]

You grinded her? How long would you say the grind was? When did you start? And when was it when you finally got the skin?

[@GokuBlackRose978]

Sure hope it does, I’m gonna spend money and get ult ajax (I’m so tired not getting the pieces I need for him, farm is way too hard)

[@TheDeconstructivist]

The problem for me is they don't reliably nail the fantasy. I'm not sure if it's a design choice or just jankiness. Playing as Freyna, whose design (visual and mechanical) I really liked at first, I found the fantasy of playing that character just fell apart as a I pushed farther with her. The cracks in her kit became more apparent. For example, equipping the Descendant Mod that boosts her Toxic Attack doesn't actually boost the power of any of her Toxic abilities... and they really need it. AND the way those abilities are tuned is all wrong. Her primary deals a ton of up front damage and a TINY bit Damage Over Time, which just kind of makes it feel like a bullet. Applying Toxic stacks amounts to almost no damage compared to my guns, which means she ends up feeling generic, rather than like the Toxic Queen I expected. And her ultimate? It's a big, green machine gun. It's powerful, sure, but how does this play into the fantasy of the character that's supposed to make her feel special. People really like Bunny because she plays differently and her abilities are why. This philosophy needs to be extended to the full cast, but as of right now I feel like my bubble is burst.

[@tonysmith9905]

Yeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaah....the toxic mods do increase the damage, they just don't show in the tooltip windows for some reason. You didn't pay attention to your numbers going up in actual combat. I also gonna go out and guess you didn't actually grind your mods up much at all. Freyna requires a good amount of investment to get any thing special out of her.

[@TheDeconstructivist]

​@@tonysmith9905 Why would I look at one set of numbers when I already checked the other set (having no idea they were bugged)? Why would anyone? That is: if I equip something and I see no numbers change, I'm not going to assume the game is broken and go out and test it anyway. That said, I did get the Toxic Mod up about 60% of the way. 6 of 10 or something? I do appreciate the info and was planning to log back in in a month or something to see how it was patched, so now maybe I'll have a little more to look forward to.

[@tonysmith9905]

@@TheDeconstructivist Well just keep in mind there are a LOT of numbers that don't show up. Any typed bonuses such as elements or ones like singular won't show up in character ability windows, and quite a few won't show up in gun dps.

[@TheDeconstructivist]

@@tonysmith9905 Well, I just hope they fix it. People rely on those numbers to figure out what's useful, which is especially important when some of the fields are confusing (e.g. Attack Bonus and Attack Modifier Bonus and stuff like that). Fingers crossed for more patches soon!

[@Majin_B]

A lot of games fail because they nerf too many things and not buff what’s weak

[@arkdelta637]

Depends on the balance between buying Craig and earning Craig.

[@billy_cross]

Good science games fail because they suck if they don’t suck, they don’t fail. It’s that fucking simple.

[@Glenn-x9l]

Well the one issue I come across it when trying to get the parts i need to create a new dependent the drop rate is o to -0% and yet they put the dependent in the market place seems to force me to buy it like Warframe and destiny 2 same drop rate 0 to -0%

[@againstalladsgames]

New, meaningful content and gear. Build it and they will come.

[@VideoHostSite]

It's really a great game, but they need to fix some of the technical issues. For a long time, I couldn't even boot it up.

[@MetaMaticGamer]

I have already hit this wall and the only reason for me to stick around is to slam my head against the wall dealing with the BS outpost drops to try and farm, Lepic Code, Ajax parts, and Gley Spiral and that's before slamming my head against the wall with the Ultimate versions. So I tried to go off to farm MR to make it to at least 20 MR for both the supply coins and maxed module slots so when I'm releveling a gun it at least has the maximum slots, but that has been such a boring slog that has me wanting to fall asleep. The only other reason to even try and keep playing is needing to slaughter 200k enemies for the seasonal challenge to obtain all the supply coins and I'm only at 60k kills. I'm just caught going back and forth between irritation and boredom and never finding that sweet fun medium and it gets tiring especially considering Warframe is sitting in my library begging me to come back and play again after taking a break from it months prior to this game releasing. I am hopeful for this games future but man does it really suck joy out of me right now.

[@paolosolcruz]

Fact of the matter is, I think they've already made profit, regardless if they last or not.

[@VampireNoblesse]

TFD could become like Final Fantasy 14, both use renowned games as inspiration, listen to feedback & the grind / drop rates are fair.. => if they can keep old content relevant, add new over-world content (besides ofc new characters) & keep up consistent content over time.., TFD could evolve over its inspiration (Destiny & Warframe), like FF14 did over WOW

[@ConJonLeprechaun95]

Wish Version of Warframe

[@gibbygibbstein7858]

I don't trust Nexon because, well, it's Nexon. The dev team is seemingly good intentioned but that can only go so far due to them being under a company. We've already seen some of Nexon's higher up influence trickle in with the absolutely abysmal monetization, so we can only see how it'll go in the future. Too early to say if it will last long term. It's a brand new looter shooter that's f2p, can actually run on consoles and pcs, and has a pretty decent amount of sex appeal to it (The game has Bunny doing a lot of work for it), so needless to say it's going to be pretty popular at launch. I've only had time to play about 4 hours of it so far but here's some complaints ive heard from other players besides the monetization: Controls feel fairly clunky and stuff. I can attest to that as I spent probably 20 minutes of my 4 hour playtime trying to adjust the Controls to my liking before I kind of just gave up. Enemy ai, coding, and challenge is non existent. Can't speak on the challenge part but the earlier enemies at least either just stood around, or approached me while staring at me. I haven't really felt threatened by any if the enemies so far and I've heard that same sentiment from players in endgame. I've even seen people say Fortnite zombies present more of a threat. Personal conplaint, so far Enemies are bullet sponges, a weapon you might have gotten like 3 missions ago might struggle to kill enemies in a resource friendly way, even with mods equipped, speaking of which ammo in this game is pretty annoying to deal with due to the bullet sponge nature of the enemies and the fact I rarely got the ammo drops I needed. There have been a few points where I'm just running around with 0 bullets in any of my guns hoping I find ammo laying on the ground somewhere.

[@Truewastelander]

I'm gonna cave and buy the ultimate Bunny skin I really don't want to grind it out Lord have mercy on my soul

[@Drousy1870]

That’s $100 bro. Haha. That’s insane. I feel when you have a goal set it makes you want to keep playing. Once you have it immediately who knows if you’ll keep playing it. When earning it you feel you deserved it but yeah takes forever. I guess if you buy it for $100 now you’re obligated to play the game. Haha

[@vluuminous]

Great points throughout the video, but not the bunny gameplay in the background.

[@jarnold420ja]

1% drop rate starts to feel like a chore not rng

[@Drousy1870]

True. I didn’t really get burned out because I been used to long grinds. But I will say I grinded hours and days before I finally got the long maneuvering grapple. Probably played the missions like 100+ times. Sometimes it can feel great when you get loot but other times when you want something your luck is just horrible and you spend sooo many hours even days to try getting something. Haha

[@Blubs91]

They need to get rid of gold as rewards doing 7 levels of wave just to get rewarded golds is frustrating

[@Vigilence]

While warframe has unlimited bullet jump, this game has 2 grappling hook uses with a long cool down. Why do people accept this? If people voiced their displeasure the devs would remove the limit.

[@UltimateDespair98]

Anyone else not investing in their Valby yet due to her ultimate coming out soon?

[@StonedMedic]

I got Valby awhile ago never used her game got boring I quit after unlocking Enzo

[@pixelhand9421]

Few days in, got my gley to have no cooldowns in unfrenzy mode, probably after a week casual play I'll have frenzy mode without cooldowns. They gave me a free golden potato to boost my mod capacity, which I was wondering if they would do. That's a 21 dollar item in the store, they gave for free.

[@BastyTHz]

np, unless they put activator bp at 15%

[@tonybrown512]

I hope it lasts. I was playing the game enjoying it and having a good time. I don't normally play these type of games. The closest thing to it that I ever really got into was the original Destiny. However, after I had spent several days attempting to get a Gley Spiral Catalyst blueprint to drop, I stopped playing the game. I know that there was plenty of other stuff left for me to do in the game, but seeing that happen was frustrating, felt like a huge waste of my time, and overall just left a bad taste in my mouth. So I quit and went back to playing what I was into before, Armored Core Fires of Rubicon. I may go back to The First Descendant at some point, but shit like that effectively ruined the whole experience of what was otherwise a great game. For me anyway. It is nice though to hear that the developers of this game are actually trying to address some of the issues that are being put forth by people that actually play the game, so maybe my particular issue with the game won't be as bad later on. I'm good for now though. Spending hours and hours repeating the same missions over and over again farming items only to end up not getting what you need for such a long period of time is just not fun, and not at all what I am used to when playing video games.

[@thedarkbankai2308]

this game really needs more new maps or it will be a 💀 game

[@Godsslave777]

I think this game will last a very long time

[@marciodasilva6920]

With the current drop rates, for me at least it won't last. 40h farming ult bunny on hard mode and I am only half way of getting all parts, imagine if I was aiming to get all ultimates. You get stuck for days and days without zero progression because the amorphous always drop the same thing over and over again.

[@dirtyzombiedude]

Its preseason and they have largely listened to feedback so hopefully the first season addresses these issues if not then yeah it will die

[@rockinharddude]

Great video Lono!

[@heyjude9537]

Depends on the update