refs force penn state to punt on third down

[@pschighlights]

If you are saying it was the right call because of the “loss of down” from intentional grounding… I urge you to reread the rules of football. With all due respect you are completely wrong if that’s what you think 😂

[@jonnybaze7449]

1st down ruled intention grounding. Psu loses that down bringing up second down. On second down short gain bringing up third down. Officials call it forth down for no apparent reason. Who could argue with that?

[@imlikemike]

why did you word it like that??? lmao. loss of down is 100% the penalty for intentional grounding. 😂🤣 the refs mistaking downs and causing a 3rd down punt? no so much. your wording made it seem like they ruled it wrong for taking a down away.

[@pryingopenmythirdeye1830]

The loss of downs is that it counts as your play . There were only 2 plays before punt. That is a loss of down. The play you just did was first down , now it's second down .. when they were 2nd and 16 the announcers even said it. Then they bring out punt team . So regardless it was 3 plays . There is no such thing as a penalty of losing a down you haven't played yet.

[@beboppapadopoulos4158]

@@imlikemike I think it’s your reading, not his wording.

[@adambadinger4468]

Amen brother. I was at this game and immediately realized they messed up the downs after I heard the announcer.

[@tDrewP]

That SEC defense is so good they held them to 2 and out.

[@ethanpurcell2385]

Lmfaoooo built different

[@wvgolfnut1]

Kids go to the Big 10 to get an education, they go to the sec to get paid

[@baddoomguy1986]

SEC defense has been a revolving door all year lmao

[@PxThucydides]

Welcome to Canada

[@solomon6693]

Yes ties yes i hi Ed yes ye sus scum eyes sus eyes us yes ten yes yes

[@kudukilla]

A weird time warp occurred so that this down was taken from Penn State and given to Colorado in 1990.

[@tom198282]

Haha right! In all fairness to the Colorado debacle, had the chains been showing the right downs, the coach would have called things differently, and maybe the outcome would be the same. This though, you’re not punting on 3rd down.

[@gaittr]

Aside from the 5th down how much do you know about that game? Do you realize that Missouri was penalized after it was found that they treated their field with a substance that would only work with a certain type of cleat and of course they had and CU didn't for that game because they weren't expecting to play on a cheaters field? Are you aware that that CU football team was predicated offensively completely on hard cuts wich they could never complete without falling down because of Missouri disgusting underhanded cheating tactics. And Missouri's team did not depend on that they depended on drop-back passing and straightforward runs. Not an option game. and they also were wearing appropriate please because I knew ahead of time? Did you realize that the NCAA penalized Missouri by taking two home games away from them the following year and force them to replace their entire turf?

[@superguy111]

@@gaittr did you realize that this was a joke about the loss and gain of a down?

[@superguy111]

@@gaittr at least I can type right.

[@thejesusdied4u86]

Not trying to get into an argument but it’s pretty obvious it was a joke. I don’t even really care that Missouri cheated, it’s just funny that they got 5 plays. Also don’t bring politics into this. Colorado fans are as liberal and rude as any in college football.

[@ggbsports]

I love how the announcer says second down on the throw and then doesn’t even question it when Penn State punted the next play.

[@k3n0ju]

Yeah, this was an announcing crew fail as well. Sometimes I feel like announcers aren't watching the game and this was a great example.

[@toriigreiskalns3823]

@@k3n0ju at 38 seconds one announcer corrects the other and says 3rd down but another one was kinda talking over it

[@k3n0ju]

@@toriigreiskalns3823 I missed it. Still compare this crew's "reaction" to other crews when refs or players screw up on down counts. LOL

[@NKBlazer]

To be fair, when I’m watching a game and talking it’s easy to miss / realize 1-2 downs have already occurred. So them talking they could’ve thought they themselves just didn’t realize 3rd down had already happened (in reality though it never actually did).

[@Flakester]

ESPN wouldn't allow that kind of language in an SEC game.

[@SurgicalStrike41]

Look, counting from 1 to 4 is hard okay. Sometimes you just forget a number

[@ericrios-guzman2177]

they probably just went to alabama

[@byronwilliams872]

Sesame street

[@ringostarrgazer2419]

Especially in the sec 😆

[@herndonoutdoors1491]

No its not

[@cadenayadley6094]

Cringy

[@colespielman1493]

You’ve seen the historic 5th down play, get ready for the amazing 4-ish down punt

[@cosmosaic8117]

This precisely happened during the MSU vs. Miami game. Fifth down.

[@tom198282]

Yes...but even that the coach would have probably called things differently if the down markers were showing the correct downs. It's hard to say what would have happened if the correct downs were showing.

[@michag4337]

some times you get 5 some times you get 3. the universe strives for balance.

[@fredofromchicago777]

That 5th down type of play has happened a dozen times in CFB the last 50 years. Plus it happens all the time, missed downs etc in HS football.

[@cosmosaic8117]

@@fredofromchicago777 These refs need to be tried by a Grand Jury and held in a secure Prison.

[@tom198282]

Loss of down simply means that down counts. You know how if there is a holding call, it becomes 1st and 20, you have the penalty, but re-do the down. I'm not sure how this could happen, especially with the technology available today.

[@pschighlights]

I wish more people understood this basic concept 😅

[@ericbucher8636]

@@pschighlights Too many casual football fans that only watch the big games. So they don't really have a clue what's going on half of the time.

[@MrJasonteal]

Do what? The down counts even if it's an incomplete pass, a short gain, literally anything not a first down gain. This makes no sense.

[@skylaryoung3819]

I truly believe the ref working the chains screwed everything up. He changes from “1” to “2” before the head judge even announces the penalty. Then once it’s announced, he moves it again from “2” to “3” and somehow no one noticed🤦‍♂️

[@skylaryoung3819]

@J Errety Yes they are🤦‍♂️ They are considered part of the “reffing crew,” but not actual “judges,” which is what the refs with flags are. You really have no clue what you’re talking about. Even if they weren’t part of the crew, that still wouldn’t change my point at all😂😂

[@nittanyburg20]

Some of the worst officiating I’ve ever seen

[@Juice1984]

Unfortunately, I've seen worse.

[@kalisurf5644]

@@Juice1984 impossible.

[@dogg-paws]

@@Juice1984 Nah, this week it got particularly bad.

[@chazemuney1590]

Clemson Ohio state 2019 was the worst ever! Ironically enough it was a SEC crew let’s just say the SEC refs are out to get Big ten teams

[@cosmosaic8117]

@@kalisurf5644 See Toledo get robbed by Notre Dame refs last week

[@ostry66]

I guess when you overthrow your receiver so bad you get called for intentional grounding, the penalty is loss of two downs

[@kylekrause1241]

It wasn’t an overthrow on cliffords part it was a bad route #3 was supposed to make a deep route but he came up short

[@colintca094]

That was their attempt at an arm punt.

[@youbluethatone1017]

It was 2nd & 10.. intentional Grounding made it 3rd & 16.. Then after the completed pass it become 4th & 10… The referees were completely RIGHT

[@dangerousdave123451]

@@youbluethatone1017 is the scoreboard wrong then? It says 1st and 10 before the deep miss. Then it became 2nd and 10 after loss of down due to the weird as fuck intentional grounding. Then the pass was completed, so 3rd and 10....

[@youbluethatone1017]

@@dangerousdave123451 yes

[@kittydoggy2803]

The refs are getting worse every game.

[@pointmanzero]

Diversity hires. Watch. Over the next 5 years more planes will start to crash. Why? Diversity hires.

[@mikeschmidt4800]

Targeting is ruining the game

[@cosmosaic8117]

@@mikeschmidt4800 Targeting has been absolutely awful in both NFL and College so far. Overall the two seasons have been very exciting...minus the terrible reffing.

[@kittydoggy2803]

@@mikeschmidt4800 I agree.

[@stephencurry4835]

Not possible to get any worse than 2017 title where they blatantly cheated UGA

[@pschighlights]

I think it's safe to say that refs were amazing this week!

[@rustyshackleford7085]

They do such a great job! We are so fortunate to have them! Shame on Penn State for not knowing that they should punt on 3rd down.... Also, the QB should have had enough sense to know that you will get called for intentional grounding when you throw it down field......Seriously, how do you get to be a scholarship qb at a major university and not know that? And then the coach has the nerve to yell at the referees???....gahhh.... How do these refs put up with this???!?!? They deserve better!

[@UncleRicoOSU]

the true heroes

[@Nobles44]

Not sure if you saw the catch at 5:38 left in the 4th quarter in the South Carolina vs UGA game, it was a one handed catch. The Carolina receiver looked like OBJ had stepped in!

[@Nobles44]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/pH2rYqGLnZ6oeas this is the clip of the catch freaking crazy catch man!

[@existentialasia]

Nebraska at Oklahoma - with 2 seconds remaining, the first half ended. Magic!

[@kolton1663]

Auburn had to fight the whiteout, PSU had to fight the refs. I think it's safe to say PSU overcame bigger odds

[@joshblocker9653]

psu was lined up to punt before the refs blew the whistle to call it fourth down

[@ericbucher8636]

@@joshblocker9653 The down markers on the sideline read 4th down. The only reasons the refs when out of their way to declare it was 4th down was because some people made a stink about it.

[@adambadinger4468]

@@ericbucher8636 Exactly. Franklin kept arguing with the refs but to no avail because they all agreed on the incorrect down and couldn't realize their mistake until the commercial break

[@greenknight2422]

Luckily Penn State pulled that out despite the SEC refs

[@kylekrause1241]

@NorthOfWindsor not gonna lie bad calls both ways but as long as it’s bad calls both ways it doesn’t make 1 team have a better advantage over the other

[@keul2704]

@NorthOfWindsor absolutely not. The overwhelming amount of egregiously bad officiating calls were made against Penn State, and Auburn did not receive the same calls. Nix throwing the ball into the stands wasn’t called for intentional grounding. The horrible placement of a 4th down conversion, despite the ball being well past the marker. Holding penalties against PSU pass rushers being ignored all game. Having to punt on 3rd down. The “late hit” call on Nix, despite no pushing, no wrap up, no extension of the arms whatsoever, and literally just having the momentum take him out of bound and into Nix. Then you have people claiming that the “DPI in the end zone by Penn State”, despite the fact that he was making a play on the ball, and the receiver was actually pulling on him and then tried to flop. These refs were calling against Penn State all night, and let Auburn get away with damn near everything. Their “errors” nearly cost Penn State the game, but luckily we’re still a great team and beat Auburn fairly. Auburn is frankly lucky that they were able to get away with as much as they did. They are lucky that they had the refs on their side all game, because otherwise the score would be much worse. This was a close game because of all of the refball happening on the field.

[@lukeknox2566]

@@keul2704 overwhelming *number* of plays

[@tonywoods4270]

At least they aint big 10 refs that blow national titles for teams.

[@joshblocker9653]

but why did they line up to punt before the refs called it 4th down seems intentional on penn state's part as well they were trying to cover the spread

[@orangephoenixbrazier4978]

I try telling people how horrid SEC refs are, they always just laugh it off. It's fucking true.

[@Hookiedookie123]

As a fan of an SEC team I agree they're terrible as are ACC refs cant speak on pac 12 and big 10 or minor. 9nferences tho

[@airmobiledivision7759]

@@Hookiedookie123 B1G 10 are usually decent, unless of course its any game involving Ohio State. Then, things get magically one-sided. I’d say that they screw Penn State pretty often, but I’m sure everyone feels that way about their own team.

[@Hookiedookie123]

@@airmobiledivision7759 thank yall so much for Will Levis. I never understood why yalls coach used him in the sets he did, reminds me alot of a young Brett Favre, except more mobile. Extremly strong arm that may cause a few erratic passes but he's good. Also see him as a poor mans Josh Allen as a modern comparison. But yeah I feel the same way most times. But UK also screws itself over alot of times. I couldn't tell you how many times in the last few years we beat our self or almost did. Like we played amazing against mizzou who's a top 3 team in our division, then played like shit vs Chattanooga.

[@airmobiledivision7759]

@@Hookiedookie123 Oh Penn State is the same way, usually, whether it’s bad play calling or just flat out poor performance when you least expect it. But, we’ve been pretty good for a good while now, so I’m hopeful these things will get ironed out eventually. Levis is a good guy, and a good player. Wish he hadn’t left, but understand why he did, certainly. We used him as a runner because he proved that he could be successful running those plays. But, when that’s what you have him doing 90% of the time, it’s pretty dang easy for the defense to guess what’s going to happen if we bring him in. Hope he keeps working out for you guys.

[@WingedSumac]

Mountain West is at least as bad.

[@luke8536]

The intentional grounding came with a loss of down.. but the officials chose for Penn St to lose second down instead of first I guess 😂 even the chain gang had 3rd displayed on the second down play. And everyone just went along with it lol

[@2424Showtime]

That was what it was. Chain gang heard "loss of down," flipped the down sign to 3rd down, and that's what the officials saw and didn't think anything of it.

[@atkravitz]

Franklin was screaming and yelling at the refs but they wouldn’t listen. He had not choice but to punt because the SEC refs decided to be stupid. I didn’t hear anything from the NCAA after the game. If anyone does post it.

[@bcomp12]

@@atkravitz The SEC said they screwed it up.

[@danielhumphrey6950]

The mechanic is that the box does not flip until the Linesman/Down Judge tells them to and they switch together. what appeared to happen here was that the box switched to two on the incompletion, then the loss of down was announced and since the box was erroneously already showing '2', the officials assumed it was the second down that was just played and switched it to third instead of keeping it at second. A good chain crew doesn't do anything until instructed by the Down Judge/Linesman, a smart crew might preempt the ref and do things on their own and cause these sorts of issues.

[@adameves5970]

Correct, IF the penalty is accepted, you do not replay the down. It's not talking about an additional down.

[@jimminithecritic8623]

This was so terrible. I was screaming at the TV

[@nittanylion9156]

Who wasn’t

[@HEC892]

Why would you scream at tv for a college game full of college students

[@keul2704]

I was at a sports bar watching the game with some fans, and we were ALL screaming at this nonsense

[@jimminithecritic8623]

@@HEC892 I was screaming cause of the refs, not the kids.

[@robertbowman448]

Referee: I bet that my IG call is the worst call of the game. Entire Crew: Hold our beers!

[@dyt2000]

Ok it's 1st down......intentional grounding should of been 2nd down from where he threw the pass....short gain on 2nd and 16 makes it 3rd down....the refs were wrong

[@daltontannery3243]

THANK YOU

[@angusrocks6464]

True. So is writing "should of." 😉

[@daltontannery3243]

@@angusrocks6464 are you related to Keith Jardine?

[@normanno8514]

so both the commentators and all of the penn state coaching staff didnt know it was 3rd down

[@wolverinefangowings]

If you need a laugh, read the comments trying to explain how the refs had it right.

[@syan7558]

@Brandon 1st down: int grounding flag. 2nd and 16, but the down marker reads 3rd. Pass play, complete to Dotson for 5. 3rd down, 3rd and 11. Refs show it as 4th instead. Refs meet to discuss. Still call it 4th down. Penn States punts on 3rd and 11. Refs literally took away a down. The loss of down on the grounding call is not the same as the down the refs skipped. In other words, the refs skipped 2nd down and went from 1st to 3rd. It's not that hard.

[@syan7558]

@@brandon737 Yeah ngl, I just woke up when I posted that. Misread your comment. My mistake.

[@aaronrider4051]

Some people will cuck for authority no matter what

[@LunaticTheCat]

@@aaronrider4051 Yup, lots of boot lickers out there

[@youbluethatone1017]

@@syan7558 Flippy Floppy P******

[@cosmosaic8117]

Refs also made a screwup like this in the MSU vs. Miami game this that absolutely no one seemed to notice. Not even the announcers. It was crazy to witness it not once but twice on the same saturday.

[@FSUOSU25]

For Penn State to win this game despite getting heavily shafted, goes to show us that Penn State is a crazy good team. If this game was properly officiated the score may have been much worse. Seems it was a blessing in disguise to have the refs rig this game.

[@mikeynichols4121]

Nah if the refs weren’t crap and it was a neutral site game goes wayyyy different.. refs made bad calls for both teams

[@tiderbean]

As Bama fan... I'm going to agree with you. 🤣. Let's be clear....we don't really give a chit about SEC.... it's true...the only the reason the SEC is what it is is bc of us...end of story.

[@iamf1692]

@@mikeynichols4121 it was heavily one sided.... coming from a guy that hates penn state. They shouldn’t have had SEC homers ref this game

[@BRexxors]

@@mikeynichols4121 only one truly bad call that went against Auburn all night, as far as I can tell - the targeting call. Most any PSU fan is going to say that was beyond the pale. But if you think that evenly compares to the panoply of garbage calls that went against PSU (intentional grounding called against Clifford, 1-2-4 down progression, no call of intentional grounding against Nix, etc) then I am sorry for your apparent brain damage.

[@naterees7271]

@@BRexxors based on the rule the targeting call was correct

[@docwillis1443]

I don’t understand how something like this can even happen in a game.

[@baractusobamiuscaesar5540]

Serious home-cooking by the SEC refs.

[@LonghornsLegend]

They stole a whole down from them in a huge game, and they say this isn't reviewable? They really need to fix this rule if you won't let them use video to fix it

[@RockyJayyy]

All of them people and no one caught the error 🤯

[@pghsanta]

Must be teaching that “new math” in the SEC. 1…..2………….4

[@seanhallahan9142]

How did Franklin not refuse to leave the field until they fixed it? You can’t do that shit that’s insane. Just sending the punt team out? Naw man Saban would have choked a ref before stealing a down from him.

[@diegolynch8067]

This reminds me of that victorious scence when Cat said " Don't forget the three, what sometimes I forget it"

[@bulacano3014]

Is this gonna be part of a 3rd down punts/quick kicks compilation?

[@autoparts26541]

That’s the same ref crew from Mississippi State vs. Memphis. I’m not even surprised at such a call.

[@jmcieslak0]

The refs thought "No way Penn St's picking this up" and saved us some time

[@dakotadyer9877]

Some of y’all seem surprised. A couple years back, I’d have to dig to find the specific game, Tennessee literally ran a play in which a questionable ball was ruled a catch, ran the next play and advanced the ball, had the new line of scrimmage marked ready to snap for what would be the third play. Refs call time and review then overturn the original play which is now 2 plays ago. Not a single commentator questioned it

[@eats4cheaps305]

Yeah that's definitely illegal

[@Bamaboy352]

Not sure if it's the same game you're talking about but I remember watching a game where that happened. Refs tried to blame it on crowd noise that the players didn't hear their whistles but they had ran a second play and just snapped the ball for third play when they said they were reviewing it

[@imnotabotrlyimnot]

Check out the Cleveland "Bottlegate" game for a great example of the same thing, only with lots of bottles.

[@medit84truth]

Subtitle @:19 "The pastor was in the pocket" 😂

[@beachjn86]

This was one of the worst game I’ve ever seems as far as the refs go. The entire game was a joke and made it seem like they were trying to make Auburn win

[@zao8350]

It was horrendous both ways and I was rooting for PSU. That targeting call against Auburn was absolutely insane. PSU also had that first down and the spot was insane

[@natemartinez2745]

@@zao8350 Auburn had some rough ones against them but PSU got the worst of the calls by far. This SEC crew seriously needs to be investigated

[@der_eisendrache_24]

I think the refs should be neutral for all non conference games

[@praxlandy]

yeah like acc refs for big 10/sec games or big 10 refs for big 12/sec games

[@nedmar423]

No..just don't use any from the SEC.

[@fw4698]

Play started at the 34 yd line. The 5 yd penatly (with loss of down) makes it 2nd & 15 from the 29 yd line. Is it possible this video is missing a play where Penn St lost a yard, making it 3 & 16 from their 28 yd line?

[@fw4698]

@RiverNinja20 - When I checked a couple of sites it appears this is a spot foul with no yardage assessed. The passer threw the ball at the 28 yd line (6 yds behind the snap) The penalty includes loss of down making in 2nd and 16. Looks like the officials made an error. Under high school rules I'm pretty sure they would have tacked on another 5 yds from the spot of the illegal pass.

[@larchmontmark1]

The intentional grounding call bothers me more. I mean, I don't expect refs to be able to count, so OK :-) but how the f is that grounding?? It's not like he was about to be tackled, no Auburn guy was anywhere near him....It wasn't a chuck or a fling -- he set himself normally, not under pressure, and made a normal throw that happened to have no receiver near it. That's grounding? Dunno, maybe they confused it with the balk rule or infield fly rule or something....

[@echobase1648]

Should have been a penalty kick with a red card!!LOL🤣 Doesn't matter what sport it is, refs manage to be the highlight!

[@larchmontmark1]

@J Errety .......NOT. :-) (i.e. re "IS intentional grounding") If that were the rule, then every pass thrown by someone like me would be intentional grounding. :-)

[@YoungSandyGray]

@J Errety Are you trying to be this stupid?

[@Motorfuzz]

@@brandon737 it’s a waste of time an energy to argue with a fool.

[@shoenicedeletedvideosx3048]

Bad Officiating is the BIGGEST problem in most sports today, and especially in football, at every level..... But you're not even supposed to talk about it.

[@dezznutz3743]

It has gotten worse Its like weve gone in a time machine back to the 20th Century. We were warned though, they told us endless replays would ruin the quality of referees, as they would no longer need to worry about getting the call correct on the field. Also, our education system and diversity quotas are churning out poor candidates who should be nowhere near a playing field, at least at this level of play.

[@engineeringreality7878]

Whenever someone tells you you're not supposed to talk about it that's your 1st indication that it's not an accident but preplanned

[@admiral7599]

@@dezznutz3743 How do you go from one possible and reasonable point to some stretch like "education system" and "diversity quotas" that is the dumbest shit I've heard. Didn't even link a source and or account for a possible factor like inadequate training or the possible fact that referees don't always do full-time. Instead "diversity quotas", please live in reality not what some dumbfuck says online.

[@ryanwolf6174]

Never seen anything like that

[@SgvSth]

0:26 - 2nd Down at the bottom. 0:27 - Nearby ref tells them to switch to 3rd Down. 0:31 - 3rd Down at the top.

[@petrafied]

"The SEC issued a statement admitting the officials and the replay booth all mismanaged the situation." Every single official on the field and in the replay booth blew this call. How is that possible?

[@cooldaddyslick6869]

The coaches for the team too.

[@cosmicmeatball917]

“Ain’t nothing dumber than a big10 ref” -My Grandpa

[@zlitz6920]

It was SEC refs

[@cj_m8811]

Its well past time for refs to get fined for bad calls

[@howardbaxter2514]

Agreed. The Miss State-Memphis and Penn State-Auburn games show this.

[@leogetz3570]

The SEC did come out and apologize basically saying that both the refs and replay booth got it wrong, and by the time they figured it out it was too late

[@hossahunter22]

Auburn was a good opponent, but the refs really put up a good fight. PSU got the W still

[@93deiondavis]

Yeah when I seen the play I was thinking is that even allowed, he threw the ball to the invisible man. They must be that Tom Brady vs bears math. Lol

[@BHTheKid5]

Auburn realized a true road game is a little different when it’s not a sham neutral site game in Atlanta or Dallas, which is a popular SEC strat. Now imagine this game being played in the expanded playoff… in January. This was their first B1G roadie in 90 years.

[@jacobjohnston126]

You’re kidding right? This one of the most tone deaf comments I’ve seen even with all the crappy reffing this weekend. Auburn has a new coach and a new offense, playing in hostile environment (which doesn’t hold water compared to Jordan-Hare, according to Burrow, who knows a thing or two about football), and still kept it within a score. This isn’t a B1G victory. Penn State won at home by a touchdown against an unknown probably 8-4/7-5 Auburn team in development. It was a big roadie for Auburn but if Penn State wanted to make a playoff statement early they should’ve beat Auburn by a hell of a lot more, poor calling or not. Foolish.

[@BHTheKid5]

Oh, I’m dead serious, Skip Bayless burner account. How is it not a B1G win? Penn State literally won. Forget the game being a playoff statement. I never said that. My point is that the SEC is all about tough FOOTBAW but most teams refuse to go north of the Mason-Dixon (with the exception of Alabama a few years ago … once again carrying that top-heavy conference) and that they may have to at some point if the playoff expands. But you know, let’s play The Citadel in November. And I like Joe Burrow, but he never took a snap in Happy Valley. So I’m not sure that comparison to JERDAN HERR holds water. People can argue tough environments till the cows come home, and that’s fine. But don’t defend Auburn’s nearly century-long gap here when their conference is notorious for playing “road games” at neutral sites.

[@skylaryoung3819]

Every single person in the stadium knew it was 3rd down, except for the refs. The screen even flashed “3rd down” right after the commentator said “3rd down.” Refs need to be held accountable!!

[@genecole2082]

The booth upstairs should have stopped the game & got the thing straightened out.

[@bullitt_gaming]

Maybe the officiating crew thought they were here in Canada 😂😂😂

[@mfinn5146]

It was not a good week for officials. Lots of big mistakes across the country.

[@TroyVan6654]

Rule 2-7-3. “Loss of down” is an abbreviation meaning “loss of the right to repeat a down.”

[@Howlingburd19]

We managed to beat Auburn AND the SEC referees :D

[@Thequarterback12]

Its honestly pretty concerning that the announcers watched this and didn’t realize it. Clearly not paying attention to the game. Embarrassing

[@jeffjeffrey8039]

We need the skycam view of this ENTIRE GAME just like 2019

[@inter_1097]

The refs thought it was Canadian football for a second

[@danz99312]

*chants in whisper* S E C S E C 😂😂

[@cadensauerbrey9005]

That entire series of events was a cluster fuck.

[@mg-bi3ck]

I have no stake in this game. The officials were trying to hand this game to Auburn. They failed. SEC all the way.

[@admiral7599]

If this was the case they would've called PI on that 4th down goalline play. I fucking hate Auburn, but I don't resort to conspiracism either.

[@mg-bi3ck]

@@admiral7599 it looks like you do have a skin in the game.

[@HeavyMetalMonkey]

Even the graphic showed third down at first lol

[@jdf.5302]

I was watching this game live. I was paying pretty close attention to the game too. I thought I must blacked out for a play when they went to punt because the announcers weren't disagreeing with anything initially and I could have sworn only two play had been run

[@FrankieeeePlays]

I was so confused when watching this live 😭

[@JJ-land]

I hope they have Big Ten refs when they go to Auburn next year.

[@HealthySkepticism777]

Away team always brings their own refs. So they will.

[@jonnybaze7449]

Yea but who was in the booth?

[@jonnybaze7449]

@@brandon737 forgot about that. That was a terrible decision. At least we used to have a sort of checks and balances system.

[@jamaalhardiman3635]

If coaches or players criticize the refs they get fined. Maybe refs that make the wrong call (and its proven wrong) should pay a fine or have some kind of consequence? Just a thought

[@dezznutz3743]

Fines are for government fascists. Shame on you.

[@FatalPhenom]

@@brandon737 But refs cost people money all the time. Sports betting is getting massive and wouldn't you hate to lose money on a bogus ass call from an official who cant count? Hit them in the wallet!

[@andersonmalthaner6095]

I was at the game and everyone was like what is happening and then we were like it's a loss of down. We thought we were wrong and then everyone saw the espn notification and was pissed

[@joshr.6785]

Why would any team want into a league with refs that bad?

[@elmoreglidingclub3030]

Amen!! Everyone wants into the SEC and, truth be told, we were caught trying to dissuade the constant applications. We can’t count so just beat stay happy right where you are, Ok? Of course, that “can’t count” thing has been on display in Penn. late last year so a dose of that medicine was due.

[@loser9757]

@@elmoreglidingclub3030 ... I LOST... Get over it!

[@elmoreglidingclub3030]

@@loser9757 Just pointing out the obvious.

[@deansusandylan]

Loss of down was not updated on the down marker

[@jmwall24]

Must have been because they called the intentional grounding so late that they thought the current second down was the play with the intentional grounding so then they made it third down? Huge mistake by the refs and I can't believe there wasn't more of an argument by PSU. Also complete bs intentional grounding call. Miscommunication on the route happens all the time like that, that's not intentional grounding.

[@theaverageDon]

Which is worse, allowing a fifth down or forcing a punt on third down?

[@markg999]

Not sure one is worse...both quite bad.

[@cosmosaic8117]

I saw both on Saturday LMAO

[@markg999]

@@cosmosaic8117 Really...wow

[@cosmosaic8117]

@@markg999 Yup...the one no one noticed on Saturday was 5th down in MSU vs. Miami. It was surreal to witness both screwups by the refs on the same weekend.

[@kckcmctcrc]

The refs even huddled up to discuss and still got it wrong.

[@fatboyrowing]

It was like Monty python’s holy hand-grenade of Antioch!

[@georgenewman4464]

The ref announcing fifth down would have more spectacular than this. So not quite.

[@fatboyrowing]

@@georgenewman4464 I just reviewed that scene and forgot King Arthur went “1, 2, 5”…. But the SEC’s actions were on par with that comedy. They couldn’t count to three.

[@georgenewman4464]

Shame! Arthur confusing five for three is a running gag in the latter portion of the movie. (See also: how many questions must one answer before crossing the Bridge of Death, Your Majesty?) It spoofs the trope in the original story, Le Morte d'Arthur, of three being a magical number.

[@fatboyrowing]

@@georgenewman4464 are you suggesting that coconuts migrate? I’ve used that in work meetings when someone puts forth an idea that is harebrained

[@1FatHappyBirthday]

It’s hard to count to 4 when you only have 3 fingers.

[@papabee5680]

These sec crews have been corrupt since the 80s

[@johnathanpatrick6118]

Somebody amongst the zebras is confusing college football with the CFL, apparently...

[@clannadcryer6605]

Every time there's a horrible call its always that one ref i stg

[@rucussing]

The coach of Penn State, James Franklin used to be the coach of Vanderbilt, an SEC team. So he is used to SEC officiating!

[@chasebethersonton5169]

So the stick guy switched over to a 2, then the ref came over and said to add a down to it??

[@greggoryzimmerman6365]

The worst one was Memphis when they returned a downed punt.

[@thereverend389]

The punt in the Memphis game was never downed. Just touching the ball by a member of the punt team doesn't make the ball dead. The punt team has to actually posses the ball. The Memphis kid just knew the rules and made a ballsy heads up decision.

[@matthewstone9360]

@@thereverend389 except for the fact the the referee behind the ball was waiving his hands as if the play was dead. Sorry but if a ref signals a play is dead, it's dead regardless of anything else

[@thereverend389]

If that had happened prior too the Memphis player picking up the ball you would be correct. The fact is if you watch the video closely the ref didn't even start to wave his arm until after the kid grabbed the ball. The ref was about to wave his arm indicating dead ball but he saw the Memphis player pick it up and never called the ball dead. If you watch it closely you'll see what I mean

[@alexrharvey7]

Yeah I'm confused, the loss of down was second down and I think the marker on the field even said 3rd but then ref comes up and says it's forth 🤔 I guess total downs are a sealed system and the legendary 5th down was a loan from the future

[@SomeGuyFromOK]

How does this even happen?

[@NukaCola6962]

That punting on third down call was the worst call on the refs by far, this ain't Canadian football

[@JSeriously]

I hate that intentional grounding rule, and I hated it years ago when it happened to Tom Brady. What a stupid rule.

[@bwburke94]

Didn't Brady throw a pick on "fourth" down anyway? Or am I thinking of a different incident?

[@NoOneGHF]

For those confused by what "loss of down means," usually when a flag is called, there is some sort of yard change and then the ref goes "repeat (previous) down." However, on intentional grounding, the loss of down means they cannot replay the previous down so it just goes on to the next down. Thus, it doesn't mean skip 2nd down and go to third, it means skip 1st down and go to 2nd. If you want a comparison, both are in 1st down: Holding on the offense: 10 yard penalty, repeats 1st down Intentional Grounding: ball is placed where the QB threw it, goes to 2nd down

[@AJ-vm8ft]

How is James Franklin a good coach after punting on 3rf down?

[@AJ-vm8ft]

How are a good coach when you lose track of down and distance?

[@AJ-vm8ft]

Refs didn’t force anything, a coach’s unawareness caused this

[@garrett8922]

As a Mizzou fan I empathize deeply with this.

[@slpguy6026]

Oh yeah that was much worse than this

[@ernestivey5003]

Even the defense was confused.

[@nedmar423]

How could it be intentional grounding when there's no pressure on the QB? I don't get it.

[@PeeedaPan]

Happy valley has such a better atmosphere than anything in the SEC

[@Chase0370]

Not hardly

[@anonanon8794]

@@Chase0370 It is though. I'm an SEC fan but Ohio Stadium, Happy Valley, and the Big House are environments that are on a different level. The stadiums and the amount of people they hold are ridiculous. Easily the most hostile environments I've been to. I haven't been to anything in the SEC that matches it.

[@mikemaslowski4070]

All NCAA games keep a journal of the downs in the prees box. The reason they keep a journal is for situations where there is confusion about what down is currently being played. I'm really surprised that nobody, not even the replay officials, asked for an audit of the downs. Guess we're all human after-all!

[@williammcbrayer3277]

They weren't "forced" to punt. The refs and PSU were merely stupid for not knowing the down.

[@drjekell01]

The refs saying it was fourth down when it wasn't is what forced them to punt.

[@GordonMancuso]

@@drjekell01 If the Penn State coaches had been on the ball, there is no way they allow this to happen. They call timeout and force the refs to acknowledge their mistake. The fact that they didn't means that nobody was confident enough about what down it was to take a stand. All the offensive players immediately left the field after the false 3rd down. Everybody relies on the markers, nobody bothers counting to 4 themselves. Yes, the markers should be correct, and the people holding them up are dumbasses for not being able to do the one job they are being paid to do (seriously...count to 4 by single digits). But SOMEBODY on the offensive side of the ball should have enough of a sense of what down it is to put on the brakes in this situation.

[@acasey4014]

That crew had a bad night all around. NOT targeting on Auburn at the goal line. Shoulder to shoulder tackle. This SEC crew needs to be sent back to training camp for a couple of weeks. I don't want them calling another Auburn game either.

[@shiskey54]

You didn’t watch the game. He hit him square in the helmet. 😂

[@ATenorSaxophone]

@@shiskey54 it was the right call, but the rules of targeting need tweaked, if the rules were different, would have been fine. This same thing happened in the Week 1 PSU vs Wisconsin game

[@shiskey54]

@@ATenorSaxophone I agree it does needs tweak, especially when players make perfect form tackles but get ejected because it was a hard hit and there was incidental contact to the helmet. This one wasn’t an incidental contact.

[@acasey4014]

@@shiskey54 Initial contact was shoulder to shoulder and then shoulder to helmet and then side of the helmet NOT the crown as the rule states. Bad call, just like the 4th down call. It was the only contact to stop a score and a ball carrier isn't considered a defenseless player. If you want ballet dancers put tutus on them.

[@shiskey54]

@@acasey4014 bro. Wasn’t the only contact to stop a score. Everyone except auburn fans all agreed it was targeting as the rules states (because unlike you we actually watched the game) so go watch the actual footage and you’ll admit you were wrong. Otherwise you’re making it pretty damn obvious you didn’t watch the game.

[@stephenbradford7936]

Loss of a down does not mean you take the down away totally and go to the next down, it just means unlike most penalties, you don’t get to REPLY the down. “Holding, offense, 10 yard penalty, REPLAY first down” 1st and 20 upcoming Vs. “Intentional grounding, 10 yard penalty, loss of down” 2nd and 20 upcoming. PA had one play incorrectly taken from them.

[@rudinah8547]

damn look at that punt though

[@johnjfaber11]

How could the announcers not even notice?

[@robraymond223]

They should also be suspended for not noticing.

[@cosmosaic8117]

No one at all noticed the 5th down in the MSU vs. Miami game

[@UncleRicoOSU]

For The Brand 👍🏻

[@edwardstoner9967]

They ought to introduce some method of counting from one to four so referees who failed first grade don’t have to count all by themselves.

[@nikitakucherov5028]

Announcers didn’t realize the correct down either

[@sniperprozealot-gamerofthe1355]

Intentional grounding is a penalty with a loss of down. This means that the "current" down is not repeated and instead it was 2nd down. This would still result they shouldn't have punted since it was third and only ran 1 play after that penalty. There's may have messed up and gave them another loss of down when they shouldn't have.

[@matthewmclean6108]

So many calls went against Penn State it was crazy!!! Even if it wasn’t Targeting on McClain it doesn’t change the fact that penn state was gonna score on the next play anyway.