Refugee From Body Shop Hell

The amazing thing about the 67 Mustang Ragtop is that it doesn't even really look good from a distance. When you get up close though, you see that the work done here goes beyond bad, and boarders on criminal.
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[@fatotis6273]

Never take a restoration project to a "body shop". Do it yourself, hire a friend, or find an honest restoration shop. Regular body shop repairman do not like restoration work. They make their money patching wrecks as quick as possible.

[@barneymiller7894]

Facts.

[@MrTheHillfolk]

My bud works at a shop, and they give him and one other guy the resto work. They don't butcher and do proper work. He's about the only one I'd trust to paint my car. Crazy tale , but a lady brought in a early 90s dodge pickup to be fixed up. "It was my father's truck and he passed away I want it totally like new" 30k and 18mo later she had her wish , full frame off. My bud sent pics along the way , nice work too. But yeah on average it's not a good idea to go to a body shop for a resto.

[@fatotis6273]

@@MrTheHillfolk It's great that they are willing to do the work and do a good job. Hats off to them.

[@bertalert341]

Everybody works for an hourly wage and your fired. Everyone is expected produce to a stated quality and time frame. A collision shop is not the place for a restoration project, I totally agree. A new car dealer will not even quote you on a restoration. On the other hand. A good restoration shop will take months and sometimes years to complete a job. This is to be expected if you have the funds for such a job. They also work by the hour. Nobody works two hours for one hour pay. Every collision or restoration shop work efficiently in order to pay there bills and staff every month or go bye bye. In restorations, some are charging 100.00 to 150.00 or more per hour. The last thing you want is a guy taking two hours for every one hour job. In restorations. A lot of the delay is usually because of the customer, They usually don't have all the cash at once. Or sometimes they need to find rare parts not readily available.

[@MrTheHillfolk]

@@fatotis6273 Yeah it is. My bud told the boss he's more into restos and wants to do more. So I think the boss is accommodated so far, he's done a gto and a charger in the last year or so. Yeah you don't find shops like that all the time.

[@manicmechanic448]

"We cheat you fair." This is why I do my own body work. It may look like crap when it's done, but at least I know why it looks like crap. And I did it for free.

[@colinmunro7337]

Same here fellas!

[@evoblade2000]

It's only free if you don't value your time.

[@manicmechanic448]

@@evoblade2000 you're puttin too much thought into it.

[@TheTW13]

@@manicmechanic448 no, time isn't free. It's your most valuable resource.

[@manicmechanic448]

@@TheTW13 my time is free to me. My time isn't free to you.

[@michaelcoffee2452]

This is rampant throughout all skilled trades. We lose quality and experience as each day passes.

[@jontrudell7529]

But each day SOME young men/women are getting More experience and upping their Quality & Craft!

[@tarstarkusz]

As vibrants replace boomers, this will become more and more common. They come from places where it is not a high-trust society. You're not a victim if you get ripped off, you're a SUCKER. They have already made our phones friggin useless.

[@barneymiller7894]

Thank God I had an instructor who was not only skilled but cared. I technically went to school for collision repair, but one of my instructors who happened to be an highly skilled older gentleman took the time to teach me and a few other interested students true panel beating/forming techniques. He even brought in his own English wheel, power hammer, bead roller, etc. He was a wealth of knowledge and happy to teach anyone who wanted to learn

[@NBSV1]

Part of what drives it is the expectation that stuff will be cheap. People don’t see the value in paying someone to really do it right when someone else says they’ll do it for half that price. Sure, by the time it’s done they’ve paid the same amount for a crap job. But, a lot of people don’t realize that. As long as it’s kinda shiny people think it’s great.

[@pghgeo816]

This has nothing to do with losing the old guys "who knew how to do it right" there have been lazy scammers in every occupation since the beginning of time.

[@sendit9129]

My hat off to all of the talented Body work guys. I've built several engines, a few transmissions, etc etc etc. But the art aspect of body work is something I've never figured out.

[@needmetal3221]

I can't do it either. It doesn't register with me.

[@Welcometofacsistube]

That's me to a t.

[@dodge4x418]

I've figured it out enough to know, somebody else is gonna paint it.

[@richardbryant7165]

I'm with you, I just simply don't have the patience to do nice finish bodywork, so I don't even try. For me if the body is decent, I know I can make the rest of it work. But, if the body is rough, it will end being just a beater or parts for something else, or both eventually.

[@barneymiller7894]

I love panel beating/fabricating but I can't paint to save my life 😂

[@shedbythetracks]

I do my own butchery and cut out the middle man..

[@davidtucker3729]

Amen brother

[@brianmaynard7320]

LOL

[@dohc1974]

Lmao

[@tonywhitaker8146]

I feel sorry for these owners. they had a car they knew needed work, and tried to pay and have it done right. Whoever did this is a p.o.s.

[@mpetersen6]

That sir is an insult to POS's

[@scottb4023]

I also wonder if he was the cheapest guy and that is why they chose him. Cheap is not always good.

[@Anarchy-Is-Liberty]

@@scottb4023 $20K-$25K is cheap? Holy Christ!!!

[@scottb4023]

@@Anarchy-Is-Liberty have you ever paid someone to restore a car or ask someone what it costs to have a restoration done? That number is really low in my opinion and experience. I am not taking a paint job alone this guy obviously did substantial body work and structural repairs.

[@The_BIG_salad]

@@scottb4023 depends on the person's definition of a restoration.

[@morelanmn]

You left out a very important part. "Shoddy work can kill people"

[@howabouthetruth2157]

They covered that when they showed the carnage on the '37 Chevy with the cobbled up front clip, frame, & suspension a few days ago.

[@Anarchy-Is-Liberty]

@@howabouthetruth2157 Yeah, but it still hadn't killed anyone!!! So prove it!!

[@webman1956]

@@Anarchy-Is-Liberty Dead men tell no tales.

[@howabouthetruth2157]

@@Anarchy-Is-Liberty Seriously kid, are ya REALLY that stupid? Because if you don't think bad front ends/suspensions haven't gotten people killed while driving.......you're smoking birdseed. It happens a hell of a lot more often than you would think. Oh wait.......you're NOT thinking. You're just trolling & posting stupid responses to comments. Go watch some more TV........you're missing cartoons.

[@David-uu1oj]

.....oh yea their killers, my old dear friend got into a bad fender bender in a new Mazda turbo years ago. He got it back and another person showed him all the crap work that was done and that night he passed away from a heart attack!!!

[@deliveryguyrx]

This makes the idea of half-ass doing the body work myself more appealing.I have my sheet metal, rivets and tractor paint ready!! lol

[@LittleBudd13]

I'm just slowly working on my Torino myself. By the time I fix the last rust spot. I'll have to start over again. I'm pretty fond of primer grey

[@dohc1974]

Lmao 😂

[@howardkeil1526]

like a used car lot special lazy tight wads get with they pay for cosmetics with a visual only

[@markstopkey4085]

When I had my 56 F100 restored, I demanded access at anytime so I could spot check the work. Fourth shop I found encouraged it. They got the job and it was outstanding when done

[@N.Cognito]

Any shop that won't let you see your car is doing shady work.

[@barneymiller7894]

Yep, good body guys aren't afraid to show their work. Even if they can't let you in the shop for insurance reasons they will either roll it out or send detailed photos at request 👍

[@bradarmstrong8959]

@@barneymiller7894 Good body guys are proud to show you their work!

[@barneymiller7894]

@@bradarmstrong8959 Excactly! Idk if your into customs but if you've never seen it check out Jimmy Shines 34 ford pickup. He left it bare metal to show off the work, 5 inch chop, 6 inch channel, hand built bed, 40 ford dash, etc. And ZERO filler 😳👍 all metal finished

[@bradarmstrong8959]

@@barneymiller7894 I am into metalwork and one of my favorites is Rods N Restos in Calgary. Go into his website and check out his work.

[@replica4132]

When Tony pulled the tape off that frame rail my jaw actually dropped

[@sodster68]

I have had that exact thing happen to me. My daily got a dent in the rocker panel and I got it back from what is supposed to be the towns best body shop. With masking tape hanging from underneath... It's not even worth having the cars repaired any more.

[@Vicus_of_Utrecht]

I was like, "he only described it" then later, he literally pulls tape off the fucking car lol

[@philjones9339]

Thank God my 71 Camaro was made in California and never left the state. Still have it today.

[@ILOVEBACONBOY2018]

Reasons like this is the reason I started learning how to fix my own cars. Its a very valuable asset knowing how to fix your car. Start simple, like an oil change, air filter, new belt, you can do it guys!

[@davenhla]

I live in WI. There are three kinds of professional body shops, and two small guy types. Pro type one: All they do is collision repair on new plastic cars. They want insurance money. Don't bother them with pesky requests for fixing an old car or pick up or getting a good paint job. You can't afford it from these guys, they want to charge MAX for insurance. This is the majority of "body shops" in WI. Pro type 2: and I quote" they made thousands of those things, you should just get one from the south with no rust." This was when I asked to get rockers replaced on my one of 400(or so, options) 1990 Ramcharger. These are the guys that made FAT CASH off of the boomer generation in the late 90's when they were willing to drop $100k on a 68 camaro that needed work. Now they have whatever they wanted over the last 20 years and all they want to do is crazy easy work to draw in more FAT CASH jobs and work part time. I mean after all, who would need rust repair in WI? NOTE: there are FIVE shops like this around me. Pro type 3: The guy that will fix anything and says he knows how and will do it for 2/3 of what the other two will. Except they don't know, because they do all the work for the poor people that hit a deer on their uninsured Ford Exploder and need a new headlight so the police don't fine them and can't afford the other guys. They did a paint job on their nephew's '88 Mustang and brother in laws '96 F150. This experience qualifies them as professional body (and mechanical) shops. I have no idea how many of these guys exist, most of them don't have signs in front of their "shops" and some work for cash only. There are three of them in a 25 mile radius of my town of 3000 people though, so I expect they are everywhere. Small guy type one: The guy(usually kid) that went to "body school" and is doing work on the side while he works at a dealership doing "hit a deer" headlight replacement for minimum wage while the dealer socks the insurance company. He has no experience so he has to deal with it. MAYBE this guy knows some stuff, but maybe he will work replacing plastic headlights until he is dead. You will find this guy on Craigslist and facebook and doesn't actually own a business. Small guy type two: this is the guy that worked for the second pro shop group above, but was never given any of the FAT CASH and eventually got super pissed about it and found a new job, or even line of work. He doesn't probably work at a body shop anymore, maybe he does, but he will do stuff on the side that he likes to do. IF you can find this guy, you should pay him what he is worth and make friends and buy him and his wife a steak dinner gift card somewhere once in a while because this guy will save your life, share with you how to do it right, let you borrow a tool, pop over to your own shop to help you with advice for a beer and some pizza, etc. This guy is around somewhere in your town. The trick is to find him. He won't advertise, you will likely need to stumble into him or get lucky through some word of mouth. Don't expect this guy to work on a deadline, he has his own life. But rest assured whatever he does work on(or helps you with) will be GOOD. PRO TIP: if for instance you are replacing rockers, and decide to do it on your own after getting pissed at pro group two above, and this guy shows you how to drill spot welds and a few other things and then leaves you to do it and says "just go for it, it's just metal, if you F it up we will just make a new one or something" THIS is the guy. And he means it, so you should go for it, because his time and knowledge is worth more than drilling stupid spot welds anyway and if you f up something he will make a patch for it that fits perfect in like 20 minutes anyway. Because after all, it's just metal. If you live somewhere outside of rural WI, your experience may vary.

[@patricksterling7389]

Perfect. Thanks for the advice. I'm in need of some bodywork on my daily driver and might actually know a guy like you described. I also live in Wisconsin.

[@brianmaynard7320]

EVERYTHING this guy said!!!! A good, trusted body man is worth their weight in gold!! As are ALL good tradesmen.. Dry wallers, carpenters, electricians, plumbers and pipe-fitters..

[@heavymetalmadness666]

I don't drill spot welds unless I'm trying to reuse the part. If the metal on the rusted outer rocker it thinner than the other layers it's attached to I just use a air hammer with a sharp chisel bit to split the two. If that isn't going well a die grinder with a high quality bit it used to take most of the spot weld down. In WI some times all the layers vanish after the air hammer, and then you think what is this getting welded to? lol

[@heavymetalmadness666]

I'm working a a Chevy truck this week, and can NOT believe how thin the rocker metal was. ignore the rust, you step on it in 100% condition and it flexes a lot. Paper thin metal made out of garbage and a 7 year old truck that needs major body work. The union destroyed car making.

[@davenhla]

@@heavymetalmadness666 That can be a time saver. I used that method on the passenger side rocker to floor area on my Ramcharger, because even the little bit of bending the floor panel did doesn;t matter, you just straighten it out again, and it's the edge of the floor, so who cares. I did drill the driver side, mostly because the only areas that were held together were the ends of the rocker by the corner of the door jam etc. Being on a tight budget for this, I wanted to make sure I kept things to a minimum as much as my novice hands could so I didn't want to risk damage to other panels. I mean the guy helping me could have shown me or helped me fix it, but that was more $$, even if it was $100, I was trying to avoid that.

[@Brooklyn_Powers]

I used to know someone who co-owned a body shop with his best friend, for over 30 years. He was a shyster too. I once saw him “repair” a rusty rear window flange by grinding the rust down and then putting chrome tape over it. He then slapped mud over the top of that and called it done. He showed his business partner, and to my surprise, he was ok with it. People like them is the reason why I do all of my own work. If I don’t know how to do something: I learn! In this case, I feel bad for the couple and how they were taken advantage of...There’s a special place in hell for the shysters...

[@glocke380]

"He did a good job of doing it wrong." My new favorite saying.

[@tommycook9620]

Lol practice makes perfect but only if you're doing it right lol

[@MoparMan-ff8fb]

I took a 3 year course back in 1997 when I was in my last 3 years of high school and got certified in auto collision repair at Gibson Tech . You have to make sure both sides of the panel your repairing is properly preped ! if you have rust on the back side and you prep the front side and put bondo on it and sand it then primer and paint you will get rust pushing through from the backside through the panel causing the paint and bondo to bubble up and rust out. Also I've seen body shops do this which is a no no - when preping the panel you will need to make sure no rust then grind an area 2- 3 " around the the dent or area you are preping .then use a grinder with a side handle and wide disc with 24 grit and grind over the area you are going to be putting Bondo or resin and fiberglass. you do a cross hatch Patten but make sure to not to get the panel hot enough to warp! then you apply the bondo ect. then use a long retangler air sander with 40 grit to just knock down the thickness and finish off the Bondo with 80 grit till its smooth on the panel. after that you use a 5" orbital DA with 320 grit to start feather edging back the primer and paint layers till you can not feel smooth step edges going from the panel to the primer then to the paint . Also dont smooth aka sand the Bondo with orbital DA sand paper. remember a good autobody tech uses little to no Bondo to fix dent and dimples ect. they dont cake on the bondo .

[@johnwilburn]

Interesting stuff.

[@MoparMan-ff8fb]

@@johnwilburn I'll probably do a video on this at soon point for those who want see this stuff I mentioned

[@johnwilburn]

@@MoparMan-ff8fb Yeah, go for it.

[@ericdaniel92]

Yes ... ALL OF THIS YOU DESCRIBE IS TRUE AND CORRECT ... EXCEPT ... ALL OF THIS IS NOT ACTUALLY DONE AND PERFORMED BY THE SUPPOSED SKILLED AND HONEST " BODY SHOP TECHNICIAN " AT MOST " BODY SHOPS " . IT TAKES WAY TOO MUCH TIME AND EFFORT AND MONEY AND HOURS ... AND DAYS ... AND WEEKS ... AND MONTHS ... TO DO ALL THE REPAIRS AND WORK HONESTLY AND CORRECTLY / PROPERLY ... ! SO ... ALL THE DISHONEST / CORRUPT AND LAZY BODY SHOP " TECHNICIANS " AND SHOP OWNER / OPERATORS ... END UP . WRONGLY DECIDING TO CUT AS MANY CORNERS AS THE THINK THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH ... ! AND SCRAP / SHODDY WORK LIKE THIS , IS THE END RESULT ... ! AND THEN ... THEY DEMAND THAT THE OWNERS OF THE CAR THAT THEY JUST COMPLETELY F ' D UP.... WRITE THEM A CHECK FOR RIDICULOUS / OUTRAGEOUS THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ... !

[@65Coronet1]

Had a couple of old guys bring in their 401k relive the old days trucks bought from a classic car lot, “I only paid $40k for it and someone offered me $75k!” I told him he should have took because he paid $30k too much. The story of non car guys thinking they’re car guys with their checkbook

[@barneymiller7894]

I can't believe what some people have offered me for my 71 Torino 500 😂 I got it for cleaning out a barn!

[@jasonh.8754]

I can tell a lot of the old guys have made money flipping houses. You can cut all kinds of corners on a house renovation, but the same tricks don't work on cars.

[@darkiee69]

That's what happens when non car people drive up the prices on old cars. Crooks do crap job and make them look great to the untrained eye and sell them at high prices.

[@lilmike2710]

Lmao.. Baby Boomers have been ruining EVERYTHING since 1950. "GIMMETHATITSMIIIIINE!"

[@daddysbrokegarage]

Barrett's Jackson 100% responsible

[@lilmike2710]

@@CarsandCats No they didnt. My WW2 vet grampa built the roof over my head.. After they had went and secured freedom for the rest of the world. I'm Gen-X so...lol. I've been watching boomers screw everything up for the last 50 years or so. Take take take take take.. And that includes CREDIT for what their parent's accomplished. They went from spoiled brats to pot smoking hippies to greedy, selfish money grubbers...etc etc. I could go on and on. But today you see them in Washington screwing that to hell. Not internet "Boomers". I'm talking about "Baby-Boomers". And they ain't built squat I live in... Gampa built that. They almost lost it with all their mortgages to pay for their mid-life crisis'.. They ruined the american dream of owning a home with thier selfish, divorce after divorce after divorce, driving home prices sky high... And now damned if they're not ruining our American classic car market. Lmao... Let's not forget RV's. Can't toss a dead cat without smacking against a 70+ year old man with his 70+ year old FOURTH WIFE on thier way to any random casino to squander any inheritance their family may have had. Can't buy a decent RV for less than 100K anymore. There's a handfull out here driving these trucks still.. Always...ALWAYS on the CB bitching and moaning. They think they are the freeway Hall Monitors. But yea...no.. My sisters and I managed to save our family properties that grandpa left for us.. Boomers did fuk-all except what benefited THEM. You came to the wrong shop with all that BS. Many baby boomers were sent to Viet-Nam to fight Communism. But MOST of them burned their draft cards and stood and SPAT on the soldiers when they returned and called them "Baby killers man"... Free love and peace man.. Oh, and thanks for Herpes and genital warts btw.. Yea...wrong shop here.

[@100texan2]

@@lilmike2710 okay then fix it. You seem to have the answer to everything. Tell me how are you going to fix it. I can pick out faults that every past generation has done. All I hear from Gen x and y and z is bitching and crying and expecting something for doing nothing with their faces stuck in their cell phone crossing the street almost getting run over by cars. NEWS FLASH Mr. GenXer!! IT ISN’T A PERFECT WORLD NO MATTER WHAT YOU’VE BEEN BRAINWASHED TO BELIEVE!

[@lilmike2710]

@@100texan2 go away. Sorry about the butthurt. Just deal.

[@musashinagatsubo9574]

Tells me that a ratrod is a safer buy.

[@jacknickolstine3355]

Rat the world !

[@waboom248]

RR's aren't my thing, but it's all true.

[@mrdanforth3744]

He's right, it is hard to find someone to do good work. What is even rarer is a customer willing to pay for good work. Would like to hear his estimate of what it should cost to do a cheap job like this car got vs what it would cost to do it perfect. My guess is, the cheap job costs twice what you think it should and the good job, 2 or 3 times that. A simple car like that Mustang, that is easy to get parts for, could easily take 250 hours @ $100+ per hour + $5000 in parts and materials, just for the body and paint. I was in the body shop business for 20 years and practically every customer to come in the door tried to chisel the price down. We can do it cheaper, but you aren't going to get a $25000 job for $5000. The worst were people who never got their hands dirty and wouldn't get out of bed for less than $2000 a week who expect you to take the bread out of your children's mouths so they can have a play toy. Anyone who worked with their hands, whether a carpenter, plumber, or whatever, usually had some idea how long things take and how much they cost.

[@barneymiller7894]

This is exactly why I don't fab panels for money 😂

[@ianhale4466]

Almost every customer will hear your quote and then ask if you'll do it in your garage for cheaper

[@texasslingleadsomtingwong8751]

As the owner of a plumbing shop , brother you are spot on .

[@phillipsprague3275]

I know this feeling all to well!! Had my first car 73 Type LT Camaro w/Z28 performance options redone at local body shop, didn’t care about the cost. Spent just over $10k in 1984/85. Sat in a friend’s garage for 4 months cause it was winter, six months later it was rusting around the rear wheel wells and every single exposed nut and bolt, didn’t get painted with the car, also rusting. It’s still hasn’t been put back on the street. Next year I can take $$$ out of my retirement to get it redone the right way. 😢

[@papilloncycles3463]

I've done shoddy bodywork to my own daily just to get the inspection, but never something cool, or American! It was still a thinner coat than what you ground off, and It did adhere!

[@MrTheHillfolk]

I knew my one car was a turd with lots of Bondo , and I knew it would never be a show car winner, but I had no idea they gave the whole car a skim coat of Bondo. She's primered for life now , screw it I wanna drive and enjoy it.

[@conspiracyscholor7866]

Paint's weird. I've rattle canned over rust and it still looks "good" 7 years later and I've painted over prepped stuff that flaked after a couple months. (All on my own stuff, I don't work on other people's cars.)

[@67L-88]

A friend used to call Bondo wagons "Sculpted" it's a sculpture of a car made of Polyester...

[@someonethatwatchesyoutube2953]

It’s amazing how good they are at it!

[@Stevie_D]

Thank you, Jim and Tony (and all the other folks Tony has on - be they expert or not) for the service you are doing for all of us. I like the way Tony really shows what's what by pointing his finger at it ... even if it's his own mistake. I'm liking this channel and where it's going more and more every day.

[@paulrandall4224]

Well when you grind on metal with filler the metal gets hot,causing the filler to then lift...its not rocket science it's common knowledge durrrrrrr

[@Stevie_D]

Ah .. that was a general comment I was making - and realizing that is not rocket science either. Have a fine day my friend! @@paulrandall4224

[@JonsGarage89]

This is why I buy my stuff non running in the tree rows. The cars are more honest, and the starting price is cheaper.

[@barneymiller7894]

Facts!

[@MrTheHillfolk]

@@barneymiller7894 big fan of your show.

[@barneymiller7894]

@@MrTheHillfolk Thanks 👍 Fish smells terrible btw.

[@MrTheHillfolk]

@@barneymiller7894 yeah for sure , I'm guessing thats how he got his nickname to begin with 😂

[@t.s.racing]

Magnet in a sock. Better than a lie detector.

[@creepingjesus5106]

Make it a weak magnet too, strong ones can 'find' steel in marginal areas.

[@creepingjesus5106]

@@CarsandCats Yep, exactly that. Or a cheap telescopic pick-up thingy: it may not pick up your dropped fastener, but it still has a use! I know somebody who's just had a nasty surprise or three after checking a car with a spare neodymium magnet he had lying around.

[@MrTheHillfolk]

Let's stop trying to detect butchery with backwoods shit techniques. Get one of those spot rot detectors. As I was making this comment I googled shopping and they go from 15$ to 80$ or so. Not a bank breaker at all.

[@snakeskinproductions7500]

The thing that grinds me the most about these people that do this kind of s@#t is that they give a bad name to all involved in the industry. I have been a professional mechanic for over 30 years and take a lot of pride in my work. This stuff really grinds my gears.

[@buckeyejim2989]

I learned how to body work n paint because of work like this. Thanks Tony 🙏😁👍

[@bryandraughn9830]

The crooks are proud of everything that you pointed out. I can't stand the whole attitude and worldview of people like that. They are much worse than just thieves, which are horrible. They enjoy the fact that they can steal, lie, and any other scumbait thing. As long as it requires no skills or talent. They could never be anything worth a damn. It's pitiful that human beings can be so low. I don't know how someone like that would even want to live at all. It's downright depressing. Rock it Tony! One of the good guys!

[@_Peremalfait]

I feel bad for the owners. There is a lot of dishonesty out there. Good to know there are still men like Jim who take pride in what they do.

[@Anarchy-Is-Liberty]

Yes, they also get paid for that pride as well!!

[@_Peremalfait]

@@Anarchy-Is-Liberty Nothing wrong with getting paid if you do a good job.

[@Vicus_of_Utrecht]

@@Anarchy-Is-Liberty Incredibly accurate avatar

[@85superchris]

All rip off mechanics need to be hung up by their toes. What's so hard about being honest? Everything done in darkness will be brought to light.

[@williamyoung9501]

You're being too nice by only hanging them by their toes... I can think of some other more worthy body parts.

[@scottcarpenter6527]

what about cheap customers that beg you to do this kind of work? We had a 64 mustang come in the shop looking good from a distance for an AC leak to be fixed. that car is nice compared to what we found but half way through fixing it right I started getting told to go faster and cut cost down. Well I was not the owner of the shop or the car so I did what I was told. And I no longer work there and would never give a referral to that shop. I now don't do a car start to finish but I do what the customer can't do like all the metal work or just finish paint. I make good money and the customers are happy that they get to do most of their car themselves. Most people don't have 100k to 350k or more for a real quality restoration. But the metal work too me is the most important to get right. You must have a good foundation.

[@That1776Show]

Classic case of CAVE AND PAVE!

[@mikefiorentini3050]

Im proud to say Im a certified fully licensed autobody technician and truly take an enormous amount of pride in my workmanship which reflects on my reputation. Areas that are hidden should be prepped in the same manor as a highly visible are

[@noelwallace5257]

You need a license to paint cars?

[@mikefiorentini3050]

@noelwallace5257 up here in Canada we do.

[@noelwallace5257]

@@mikefiorentini3050 wow!

[@neil6212]

Almost brings tears to the eyes! I bought a new '67 Mustang convertible, and through the fog of age, I remember several things that look wrong on this car, such details as the little die cast "fins" in the depression behind the doors, and the wrong back window. The original was of tempered glass, with a silicone hinge in the middle, so the to could be lowered without the usual need to unzip the window. And installing trim before painting? Who does that? The gas tank definitely would have been installed after paint. A good friend of mine recently completed restoration of a '67 convertible, starting with a rust bucket, and ended up replacing nearly all of the sheet metal, and most of the trim. Painted it OEM candyapple red, and clear coated it...before installing any of the stuff that would have been installed at the factory after paint, which is most everything screwed or bolted on! He also owns the best body shop I know of, and does customer work to the same standard!

[@logan_e]

I'm retired now but was a mechanic for 48 years. I never, not once, not ever put less effort into my work on a customers car than I did on my own vehicles. I'm not bragging, it was just right and fair and how I wished to be treated by others. It's a much easier way to live life and happier.

[@PsychoSainten]

i remember the 57 chevy story you told a couple years back nice to hear it again it definitely sticks with me. it frightens me to get body work done on my car because of things like this

[@2112slee]

I’d love a ‘bad bodywork’ series. Some of what we used to see come in when I was in the trade would make this thing look really good.

[@Vicus_of_Utrecht]

Lol only for the channel to feature even worse...

[@AshGTE]

Great video guys. Coming from the UK, rust is a fact of owning a car. I've replaced entire firewalls, chassis legs, inner fenders and everything else under the sun. The amount of terrible repairs I've seen and repaired properly is silly.

[@stevej2031]

I watched the videos from a classic car lot in Hendersonville Tennessee. That's always in the back of my mind how much bond is on that car.

[@georgebonney90]

Great video thank u Uncle Tony and Ultra Uncle Kathy 👍

[@THRASHMETALFUNRIFFS]

... and Uncle Ultra Aunt Krystal!!

[@robertwells6454]

You guys should put this guy on BLAST and let everyone know who this guy is. He got shut down but you can bet that he'll find a way to get up and going again.

[@jefferyepstein9210]

Nobody ever does that

[@Canadiancarguy1987]

as much as anyone would like to Blast Names at the end of the day it somewhat is hard on your own Reputation especially on the old KZbin here, it also could end up in a lawsuit possibly, posting names and pictures of peoples faces without their own consent!

[@robertwells6454]

@@Canadiancarguy1987 I get it, but there's plenty of ways to do it with out doing it on Your channel and really with out You even being involved. For insurance My email address is [e-mail] 😉😁

[@Canadiancarguy1987]

@@robertwells6454 lol ya you got a point i guess :D

[@robertwells6454]

@@CarsandCats Yes it's a crime that is very hard to stop from happening over and over again. The next shop will open up in his wife's name or someone else. And He'll keep finding a way to rip people off. 😠

[@AtZero138]

Puts a dark cloud over good shop's... Take Pride in your work mentality is a dying breed..

[@ZenoGy]

Thanks for the informative ( and in this case , sobering) content , Jim and Tony.

[@markleblanc3447]

I think a lot of the problem is is that I cost so much to restore a car that when your done there’s no profit to be made on the resale. If you spend 60 k to restore and book value is 58 k. No profit.

[@barneymiller7894]

This is why you have to really think carefully about what car you want if your undertakings a serious restoration/customization, and if you want a "keeper"

[@kennethiman2691]

Love that truck in the background.

[@ospguy1]

This is why I learned to do my own bodywork and paint 30 years ago. Just a hobby, but my work is done right - because I’m my only customer and I’m a picky SOB!

[@barneymiller7894]

Best way to do it 👍

[@disgruntledegghead6923]

Unfortunately people like you bring their cars to an actual shop. "I learned how to do this thirty years ago and this is how I want you to do it..." Things have changed in thirty years.

[@ospguy1]

@@disgruntledegghead6923 I guess that’s why when I bring my cars to shows everyone compliments the quality of paint, the exceptional body panel fit and finish, etc. Attention to detail and skill don’t change from 30 years ago, you just get better. Your comment makes no sense.

[@ospguy1]

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[@disgruntledegghead6923]

@@ospguy1 I like how you skirted past the hood, looks like you could surf the waves on it. Large, flat panels can be tough though. I'll give you that.

[@paulhoskins7852]

Uncle Tony for the WIN, as ALWAYS!

[@mrdiplomat9018]

Hey Tony, thanks for giving us Jim Bennett’s shop for our restoration hobby❗️I’m looking forward to letting him do my ‘66 Fairlane GTA convertible!!! 👍🇺🇸

[@throttlewatch4614]

I think I would be sueing that shop

[@ChrisTheBmxGuy]

Almost as bad as my 79 camaro. Difference is I paid $1000 knowing that the car was full of mud, rust, and flaking paint.

[@bertalert341]

Finally a real honest story. Thank you. Of course there are the butchers, but a lot of times its like anything else in this world. Do you want the quickie or do you want the major restoration job which will cost more than the car is worth once done? Some go for the full treatment but it's not the norm.

[@woodyofp8574]

Also, on the subject of shoddy repairs, I bought a Checker that had spent its life up north, and being used to the southern cars, I wasn't used to the amount of rot and poor repairs. Every piece was rotted and bondoed over, including holes in the tops of the quarter panels, bondo on the floors, bondo across cracked door pillars, and finding more bondo around a quarter inch thick in plenty of other spots. I'd never had to do a magnet test before, because I had never seen a car with this extent of plastic filler. The back panel of the car, (under the tailgate and between the tail lights,) I found out was a bunch of maybe 24 gauge AC duct type galvanised with bondo on top of it. I was jacking the car up with the bumper jack, bumper pressed into the panel, busted out a chunk the size of the sole of my shoe.

[@agnesweppler4360]

i quit doing restoration work because most customers don't understand the amount of work and money it takes to do a good detailed professional job.

[@redryder18]

Got a similar situation going on with my car, except the body work isn't hidden by the paint, or at least the bit on the fender isn't.

[@mtpocketswoodenickle2637]

Like my grandpa used to say: Why is it, there's never time to do it right? But there's always time to do it over!

[@realityhurts8697]

My grandpa always said, if you won't do it right, don't bother messing with it.

[@barneymiller7894]

My grandpa always said "If you do it wrong, your paying for the shit to do it again. And I might beat your little ass." I do things right.

[@realityhurts8697]

@@barneymiller7894 I heard that one as well, and he meant it. Saw him with my older cousins, doh.

[@barneymiller7894]

@@realityhurts8697 Same lol

[@FenderTele]

The classic case of the paint hiding a world of heartache. I'm from the UK and can remember as a 17 year old looking at a friends 1965 Mini that his father bought as restored. It was a typical mini fix up with new wings, A panels, door skins and front panel. It then had the Ton of filler it was beautiful in June. By the following spring the road salt had worked its magic as it was a daily driver. After a winter it had the classic rash of blisters everywhere with water in them it was well on the way to looking like it did before the new paint and smelling like a pond with the foot Wells full of stagnant water.

[@mikesr3407]

Perfect video to bring all of us back to reality ! DANG it Uncle Tony this video Was painful to watch ! Sad indeed ! My uncle told me 30 yrs ago " I thought when I got older and had money I could get work done and no I was seriously disappointed , just because you have money don't expect anything " ! Sad but true . We have to know the reputation of anyone doing service work now!

[@fratzogmopars]

Wizards from the woods of Kentucky strike again.

[@THRASHMETALFUNRIFFS]

Bruh... that car would be great if it was the ol' Uncle Tony $400 Duster job, not a $25k build!

[@paulhare662]

BRUH

[@jefferyepstein9210]

Why do you say “bruh”? No one here wants to hear that shit.

[@paulhare662]

@@jefferyepstein9210 BRUH

[@THRASHMETALFUNRIFFS]

@@jefferyepstein9210 We use Bruh in the car community as a term of endearment, so as to say Bro, Dude, or Yo!! You see, JEfferey Eptsein?

[@needmetal3221]

@@jefferyepstein9210 nice island!

[@rochatka]

and seeing this from a worker experience is why I went back into aviation after working at 1 shop.

[@justintynan2435]

I have a friend that runs a restoration and hot rod shop, specializing in pre ww2.. Most of his work has been fixing others mistakes. He doesn't believe in using body filler. It is nice to see other that care about the their work.

[@mitchburk5112]

Problem is do a competent restoration on almost any 50's or 60's car you will be well under water when you go to sell it. Only way a flipper can make money is cut corners.

[@evoblade2000]

You might be able to flip a rare valuable car, like some sort of limited edition hemi that sells for 150 grand. The problem is a full restoration costs pretty much the same for a base 6-cylinder car as it does for a valuable limited edition.

[@mitchburk5112]

@@evoblade2000 Agreed there are a few numbers matching cars such as certain hemis, certain corvettes, copo Camaros, LS6 Chevelles, Shelby Mustangs and a few others that you could do a last nut rebuild on and probably come out okay, assuming you owned the car in first place. This looks like a run of the mill 67 Mustang. To strip it to bare metal(which needs to be done seeing the rust), repair any rust, repaint, reupholstery, rebuild engine and transmission, rewire ect would probably run you 70-80k if you farm it out to a reputable shop, maybe more depending on how bad rust is and how many parts need replaced. Then you have a car worth about 30k on a good day.

[@jimc3688]

For that amount of $$ I’d rather buy new.

[@The_R-n-I_Guy]

I'm a body man. You have to get rid of the rust, then cover the area with epoxy primer or fiberglass filler to seal it, then do the final skim coat of plastic filler after that. And if it's still not smooth, use polyester filler or spray. But none of that will work if you don't get rid of the rust first. Cut or grind it out completely. Make sure there's no more on the back side of the panel. A lot of people think they got all the rust but there's still rust on the back side of the panel and it will just keep spreading like the cancer it is

[@THRASHMETALFUNRIFFS]

Don't forget to skim coat and block sand!

[@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259]

To be clear, rust converters won't stop the cancer from spreading?

[@disgruntledegghead6923]

Yep. Welding patch panels to rusty metal sucks anyways. Unless you can really get to the back side of the metal it's going to rust again. If you're a body man you know what I mean.

[@TheKurtsPlaceChannel]

Very entertaining and fun to watch. Thanks for posting this.

[@andrewhaden1347]

Im just learning how to do body work but i love learning and knowing that i have the info to do it myself. It may not be absolutely show quality but its much better than when i pulled it from an abandoned shop and just never rush on things

[@unclesquirrel6951]

Personally I blame squirrels 😂😂😂😂

[@Thomas63r2]

As more of the graybeards that naively finance these shoddy restorations die off their cars will become the parts cars for higher end restorations.

[@davidmiller9485]

And that is as sad as the work done on this car. I would rather have more classics than less.

[@Thomas63r2]

@@davidmiller9485 slowly, the quirks of time diminish the ranks. Classics get totaled in accidents, garages burn to the ground, floods in unexpected areas, theft and stripped of parts, etc. Obviously as the years go by what were once common cars join the collector ranks. Interestingly, Haggerty says that the total number of classics has stayed pretty steady over time: newer cars become classics at about the same rate as existing classics get written off.

[@davechampion4987]

Maybe if every b o o m e r wasn't a "I know what i got, and this rusty rolling shell is worth 20 grand" types there would be more cars in the hands of young people

[@Thomas63r2]

@@davechampion4987 You can be mad at the marketplace if you like, but the truth is that a lot of cars that were once easily found have diminished in numbers. Every year countless classics are lost to accidents, theft, garage fires, etc. I bought my first muscle car through a local classified ad: a 1969 Mustang Mach 1 428 Cobra Jet 4 speed. It was just another used car at the time, I paid $2,500. Young people are not into cars the way us graybeards were when we were young - recent surveys show that young people are delaying getting their driver's license - that they would rather spend all their time playing Fortnite. Young people are not cruising the drive ins or burger joints. Sure there is still street racing going on, but it is not the hypnotic religion that it once was where everyone in high school seemed to be involved. The world has changed, and playing with cars is no longer something that can be done while working part time at the shake shack.

[@davechampion4987]

@@Thomas63r2 there are dozens of project cars for sale on my local Facebook marketplace that are absolute junk and have been on there for months with a 10k price tag and “no low ballers” in the description. Maybe boomers are greedy ?

[@PickupsAreNotTrucks]

The brain of a good body man is something I will never understand. Bless you guys. I just don’t have that type of patience.

[@danielsee1]

Try it with ketchup.

[@lizziejordan-seeley4786]

this is so heartbreaking for the owners, you just can't cheat hard work! It's bloody hard work to prep a car - my husband is totally fed up of the body work he has been doing on his '52 Wagon, but now he's at paint stage. It has taken a year and a half of bodywork and primer, metal repairs to the doors etc, but it's straight and rust free - we have a good friend who is advising on the painting, and we're doing it all at home. The good guys who do this as a Profession are so talented and worth every penny, I hate scammers and charlatans so much!

[@mexicanspec]

I like original cars that people haven't had their hands in. They ar hard to find, but worth it.

[@GhettoWagon]

Everyone who ever painted my car.... They SUCKED. I did it myself? 10 years later that area held up better than ANY shop and i'm not any good at bodywork. First step in doing good work is doing what you two are doing. Looking at crappy work. If you can ID it you won't do it yourself.

[@timsmith854]

I try and do as much mechanical work on my own cars as I DON'T trust most mechanics. Unfortunately, I just cannot seem to master the art of bodywork. Good on you for doing it yourself.

[@GhettoWagon]

@@timsmith854 Ahh its more like just sanding down the failing paint flat and going over it. Had some bad spots. Did some blends its not perfect but it matches and the edges never peeled unlike what I paid pros for. Should of used a better clear coat. My mistake. If I ever paint a large area forget it. I paint small failing area's Now I did that large area's are failing that I never touched. Got good at masking, back taping, Color sanding ETC. It takes forever. Its horrible sanding when its hot and humid. I got a whole peeling truck now due to crappy body work and paint I paid for, I feel like sanding it all down myself, blocking it flat as I can and trying to paint it but someone will complain where I live for how big the project will be

[@bbb462cid]

It only takes three things: prep, prep, and prep lol

[@GhettoWagon]

@@bbb462cid Well.. a good featheed edge so nothing shows and make sure it does not have scratches. I 100% hand sanded a roof. Pillars, Top of a fender ETC took FOREVER... Hand sanded. I had no DA.. nothing Just every day Would go out there. Sand the bad failed cracked paint off. been 10 years Didn't fail. Sucks they make horrible paint stripper now. Would be alot easier peeling it all off. Epoxy prime. think u need another primer over that that is sand-able. Block it. sealer.. Base clear done

[@timsmith854]

@@bbb462cid So true. All painting - including houses - requires perfect prep work.

[@thefinalkayakboss]

Fun fact: I work for a plumbing company in the Hamptons on long Island (that's not the fun fact) but i watch the trim carpenters on some of the more high end houses, and on the nicest houses, they actually use bondo on all the nail holes instead of wood putty. And the whole house reeks of body shop.

[@texasslingleadsomtingwong8751]

That's sad. Trim work carpenters is another dying breed. Along with us licensed plumbers.

[@mikemcgannvoiceover]

I took a car to a guy who toted himself as a master fabricator once and this was pretty much what I got back. We agreed any holes would be welded and it’d be three weeks, but he just used about a gallon of epoxy smeared in the whole trunk and I could put a screwdriver through my inner fender. He tried charging me like 3K for an hour of brushing that crap on. I know that because he gave me that time frame and I’d periodically check on it to see it wasn’t started and one day was magically “all done.” If you’re in CT, stay away from “The Sandman.”

[@vonmarko1363]

You guys only showed it for a moment, but it looks like the guy cut away half the VIN that’s stamped into the fender apron.

[@Brooklyn_Powers]

I saw that too.

[@billwhitfield7437]

It makes my ears steam when crooked folks get one over on the elderly.

[@aronbechiom565]

This is EXACTLY why I would rather buy an "honest" car..... as Uncle Tony has shown in a different video. Excellent video !...

[@hairycat6095]

i am glad i am doing my mustang myself. i don't expect a show car but i am going after the rust everywhere , all i expect is a solid driver when i am done.

[@Jeff-oc6tm]

I always thought the body work I did on my car was janky but this is just horrible. 20k for that mess is unbelievable...

[@THRASHMETALFUNRIFFS]

Lol... let he among us who has not been janky cast the first wrench... or some shit?!

[@barneymiller7894]

I have been the jankiest at times 😂

[@paulhare662]

At age 63, my bodywork only has to outlast me. Buyer beware at my estate sale.

[@deliveryguyrx]

Perfect! I'm 62 myself.My last halfass body repair lasted 10 years.Doing the same thing to this POS that I did 10 years ago and don't feel a damn bit bad about it.

[@paulhare662]

@@deliveryguyrx It's not a bad way of doing things really. If you did a 70s lace and pinstripe and blow dot and cob web thing in the 70s, by the 80s it looked stupid anyway. Time to grind the bubbles out and do a weird multi color stripes all over the place thing. ten years later, paint it an awful pastel monochromatic scheme for the next 10 years. Regrind and do flat black with flames. Now with the apocalypse coming, I'm going olive drab semi gloss. Enjoy your ride buddy!

[@acatsaid5411]

I know you don't want this to be the whole channel but there are very enlightening

[@pipelineraustralia]

NO SHOP OWNER WOULD EVER BE ABLE TO STOP ME FROM GOING IN AND LOOKING AT MY CAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@drrrrockzo]

I know it's generally frowned upon, but shops that do such shit work deserve to have their name in the video.

[@dmarkrmeav8tor]

Agree. Since the state closed the business down I see no reason not telling us the name.

[@drrrrockzo]

@@dmarkrmeav8tor ohh i didn't catch that

[@strikeeeR34]

when did meatloaf get into classic car restoration?

[@markallen1413]

Great info Tony, you guys do a great job 👍👍👍👍👍✅✅✅✅✅

[@THRASHMETALFUNRIFFS]

Dude, I got held ransom for my car like that when I was a kid. He knew I had $4k available for a custom 383 Stroker build and install where my buddy worked and I was able to help but he ran it up to $7k and was bragging to someone that he was gonna put the motor in his 68 Camaro so I had to scramble to pony up the dough and get my damn car back after like 5 or 6 months! IT's the motor in the Firebird in my 1996 VHS vids

[@Stahodad]

That kind of b.s. has me working on my own car even if it won't be perfect...

[@pghgeo816]

Nobody wants to pay for or wait for quality work until they get to pay the second time.

[@johnfranklin5277]

I have a 68 Mustang I bought in 1977. 289, factory AC, etc..lifelong Southern California car, never seen snow, or road salt. No rust issues ever. I'm fortunate to live in a climate thats excellent for cars. Hell, it hardly ever rains here! Lol. The car is in excellent condition and still on the road. Same for my 58 cadillac. Honestly, if people want to buy a classic car, They should get one that's from Southern California, Southern Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, etc....I feel very bad for the owners of this poor old Mustang.

[@truegrits257]

That messager ping had me tripping I went through all my messages😂

[@jontrudell7529]

CULT LEADER UTG!!!

[@oldtimerf7602]

And the flip side of this is a car that is done correctly, no corners cut, that car is simply too expensive now. There is no winning.

[@paulhare662]

Add to that the fact that it too will rust eventually.

[@annamckinney6622]

@@paulhare662 Sad but true.....

[@ewconway]

Jim’s a great guy and has integrity and ethics to do these car restorations the right way. 👍

[@MrTheHillfolk]

Heh I'm into a totally different generation of cars , but if I needed one redone I don't know if it would be insulting to ask him to redo one of my VW rabbits to mint.

[@ewconway]

@@MrTheHillfolk Lol…. No different than Uncle Tony doing his Miata project car….

[@marksmith8928]

I worked for body shop owners for years that cut corners, to the point of making circles out of squares. I finally quit, and started doing it on my own, taking jobs I wanted to, when I wanted to, or bought cars to repair and sell. Never been happier doing body work.

[@UnfinishedProjectDartSport]

Plan Z!!

[@THRASHMETALFUNRIFFS]

I/m noticing a pattern here...

[@patrickspringer6534]

Put his name out so nobody has to deal with him again!

[@bobbrinkerhoff3592]

Won't do any good, these guys wait awhile and open a new shop, in a different location under somebody' else's name, and start screwing the public over again.

[@livewire2759]

@@bobbrinkerhoff3592 I'd even bet he let his business get "shut down", that way he can tell people that he did good work and people were satisfied, so it wasn't his fault, the government shut him down. He will run the same scam for another 10 years and do it all over again.

[@michaelreszke3804]

As a kid when I was 15 I bought my first car for $90, a 68 cutlass that I cloned into a 442. It had rusted wheel wells so I practiced bodywork on it. I did not know how to do metalwork back then so I just cut out the edge of rust and used Bondo over rags and newspaper to build up the holes. Remember I was only 15, I used a gallon of Bondo Wonder what ever happened to that car, it came out nice, funny thing when I sold it guy used a magnet but never caught the work. This was back in like 1977. Over the years I learned how to do it the right way but it was not for me, takes a very talented person to do this kind of work.

[@keithharden7844]

When I was doing body work, we did a job on a Charger. When we got into it the quarters were so full of bondo it was ridiculous. When we told the owner it needed new quarter panels his response was just bondo it up. And he was paying 10 grand for the paint job.

[@evoblade2000]

yeah, sometimes its not totally the body-shop's fault. If the customer wont pay to do it right, the shop can't be expected to do it right.

[@someonethatwatchesyoutube2953]

It’ll probably be auctioned off at Mecum so he didn’t care.

[@ben68442]

so in other words, Someone owns a piece of crap Mustang

[@ZEPRATGERNODT]

Car was mummified in Bondo. There is a shop in San Bernardino known by insiders for the artesian craftsmanship with bondo - door sills rear door fender area shaped to perfection with mangled sheetmetal underneath.

[@THRASHMETALFUNRIFFS]

Like frosting a cake, huh?

[@THRASHMETALFUNRIFFS]

@@DanEBoyd GRRROOoooosSss!!

[@superduty4556]

It's like being a sculptor. Kind of an art form.

[@ImpalaSSRulz21]

I worked on a 67 mustang that had the fender Bondo d directly to the rocker panel. I saw a chevelle in the junkyard that got rear ended it had a inch and a half of Bondo, the paint was shiny too.

[@barneymiller7894]

My 79 F100 had a solid two inches of bondo fall out of the fender a week after I bought it. First cars 😂

[@metalbill]

After doing this for almost 30 years, Nothing surprises me anymore. It happens everywhere, Even here in Vegas.

[@mysterycomment1553]

That car kept dry and treated right would look the same in 20 years I bet. Lots of cars are like that. Is what it is sometimes unfortunately.

[@briang4470]

I personally know of a few decent looking classic cars that were redone in the early 90s with some of the hackest methods ever seen in body work, but because those cars have had owners that cared and kept them in climate controlled garages all this time, the cars still look the same almost 30years later with very few blemishes or bubbles under the paint. Now dont get me wrong if these cars lived outside for 6 months they would be trashed but it goes to show how the vehicles are stored will have the biggest impact on how they hold up.

[@mysterycomment1553]

@@briang4470 true. Plus guys buy restored cars thinking they can drive them like a modern day car. Even the nicest of the nicest restored cars won’t survive being driven in the rain etc. I even cringe when I see guys wash a restored car with water. No reason to ever fully wash like that before car shows etc. Water always equals the enemy.