REFUTING GAVIN'S ORTLUND'S ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT THE ASSUMPTION

[@catholiccrusaderdeusvult9949]

This was a devastating Refutation. Gav got busted big time, My prediction many people will leave the false teachings of gav and alot will start asking questions and seeing holes in his teachings and alot will actually come home to the True Church The Catholic Church🇻🇦 Well done gav talking and getting your self busted. Great work William , God bless your work🙏

[@JustGeorge86]

At this point it's getting a bit embarrassing Gavin's end as he is stooping to not wanting to debate because his feelings were hurt?! Come on man.

[@catholiccrusaderdeusvult9949]

@@JustGeorge86 😂

[@HumanDignity10]

I really appreciate this. I understand your frustration because I bought the Shoemaker book he quotes and I've only read the first 50 pages and I find myself getting quite frustrated with how badly he misrepresented Shoemaker's words. I had read "Jesus and the Jewish Roots of Mary by Brant Pitre a year ago, so I could see that Gavin was not analyzing the fullness of the evidence. You have provided even more evidence, some of which was not in Brant Pitre's book so thank you for that.

[@awuriefnejqwjmnwn4960]

I agree, even someone who is as young in the Faith as me could immediately tell that Ortlund is quotemining

[@Mkvine]

I’m excited for this, can’t wait to hear the rebuttal.

[@lucaspacitti182]

1:45:04 Gavin quotemining from a MORMON website was the nail on the coffin. We can't take him seriously as a scholar

[@Wenuraa]

Great Response

[@joecardone4887]

Awesome! Thanks guys for defending the faith and making great content for God!

[@zachpeterson8341]

The point about Protestants not understanding the East is very consistent. They can't blame Rome for things believed by people not in communion with Rome.

[@shepherdson6189]

Gavin thought he got the silver bullet but turned out to be blanks. Thank you for your works and defending the Assumption of our Blessed Mother.

[@SteveC-Aus]

Here's a cumulative case against Protestantism: 1. It came into existence 1500 years after Christ. 2. It's innately divisive because every man is his own pope, thus you get 30,000 denominations all claiming to be guided by the Holy Spirit, reading the same Bible but teaching contradicting theology. 3. The doctrine of Sola scripture is not scriptural. 4. The list of books in the Bible can't be found in the Bible, you have to appeal to church councils (Church authority). 5. Salvation by faith alone (one's moral choices don't matter at all) doesn't square with the teachings of Christ and the rest of the NT. 6. It ignores the fact that Christ gave his disciples binding teaching authority. 7. It ignores the fact that the real presence of Christ in Holy Communion was universally believed in the early church by men who were either trained by the disciples or once removed from the disciples. 8. Major doctrines get really diluted--such as baptism. The idea that baptism is purely symbolic and doesn't regenerate the baptized person's soul is not supported in the NT or the early church. 9. You end up getting a strange idea of the "invisible" church to explain away the disunity of "visible" Christianity. Or the unscriptural idea that "we all believe the same core things" therefore there's unity. 10. The only church that goes all the way back to the apostles is the Catholic Church. All other denominations came from the mind of one person. For example John Calvin, Martin Luther, Ulrich Zwingli, Alexander Stone, John Wesley, King Henry VIII, etc.

[@jesusmarywillsaveyou]

thank you for this. copied and pasted in my 'apologetics' notes!

[@campaigningmc7812]

⁠Do be careful with the way that this is used because some of these points don’t apply to all protestants. Although I do not know of a single protestant that affirms transubstantiation, most affirm a form of real presence, with some even saying that his body and blood are physically in the eucharist (although they wouldn’t go the final step in affirming transubstantiation). Also there are a lot of protestants that affirm a form of baptismal regeneration, but it’s probably for the best you read like a protestant confession on their beliefs so that you know if they believe in some sort of covenant theology thing, words of institution, etc. That being said, most of these points are good, and I would add things such as the papacy, apostolic succession, image veneration (actually this one might be pretty weak as an apologetic weapon since protestants might just ignore you on something like this completely), and the church as mother and ark. God bless.

[@macbride33]

​@jesusmarywillsaveyou how did you copy it? I can't

[@freda7961]

Unfortunately, people are cutting Gavin too much slack just because he has the appearance of being "charitable." Noticeably too, people are praising him too much because of that. That's nice and all, but let's not lose sight that he is distorting the truth and has misunderstood, if not misrepresented, the Fathers in multiple occasions. So this is rather a breath of fresh air.

[@l21n18]

I honestly find it off-putting

[@l21n18]

@@jpc9923 I meant I find Gavin’s demeanour off putting when it’s used to mask duplicitous argumentation

[@australopithecusafarensis8927]

@@l21n18 me too

[@awuriefnejqwjmnwn4960]

His charity is clearly fake and superficial and he only acts that way to proselytize. Showing respect when you dont feel like it, is a virtue. But this charitable kindness from Ortlund while he lies to our face is different

[@djrobinson6602]

It seems that many Protestants read the fathers from a Sola Scriptura mindset. They assume everything is written down and thus if something isn’t written about until a certain century, it must mean that’s when it was first believed.

[@Prisanti]

As a Catholic-Christian, I’m extremely glad and thankful to have people like you defend Marian Doctrines and refute people like Mr. Gavin.

[@Dannyboy0202]

It must be hard for protestants to shake off protestant beliefs especially those who make a living out it.

[@gabriellebuskulic9759]

You are extremely thorough, William! Thanking God for such a soul whom uses his gifts and talents to defend the bride and bridegroom in It’s entirety! GBY

[@tbojai]

No one can realistically say that William isn’t up on his scholarship. Great in depth look at the material.

[@SteveC-Aus]

Peace be with you brother - brilliant session.

[@JustGeorge86]

It is a real shame Gavin will not enter into a debate/dialogue. I think he's a very nice guy and a cut above the rest of the Calvinists out there. However, I don't believe he is so sensitive to take comments to be so hurtful to lead him to not want to engage. I think he knows full well his knowledge on the topic is no where near as solid as yours. I enjoyed his dialogues with Trent Horn although he didn't change his stance at all it was productive. Brilliant stream brother thank you very much. I don't think I will ever stop being amazed at the works of our Apostles and Church Fathers and I really feel sorry for those who give it no weight or respect.

[@deusvult2302]

Deo Gratias for refuting another heretic. This guy makes me absolutely livid. He loves to hear and see himself and is blubbering such utter nonsense! I have no clue who awarded this sad man a doctor title! He's totally ignorant of church fathers, of Maryologie he is clueless!

[@ferazonyteologia]

Gran trabajo William. Gavin es un lobo con piel de oveja, y parece que es parte de la generación de cristal, que se hace la victima cuando se le lleva la contraria. Mantén el buen trabajo. Claudio Salas

[@zachpeterson8341]

I feel like believing the Assumption to be a gnostic idea is inherently contradictory. Why would a group characterized by the idea of the flesh being utterly without value and a thing to be escaped from, who call the Incarnation an illusion, seek to place value on the Blessed Mother's physical body being rejoined to her soul in Heaven?

[@sdesantis9413]

Good work. If I were dr Ortlund I would feel embarassed showing up on any public platform

[@raeldc]

There are some truths that only the heart can know. A disciple of Jesus is being conformed into the likeness of Jesus. Becoming more like Jesus means having a heart like His, meaning a heart that intensely loves His mother. Loving Mary is the most Christlike thing to do. And having this connection with Jesus means a heart that knows that the Jesus who raised His friend Lazarus to life for the glory of God has also raised His mother and assumed her for the glory of God. Evidence is secondary on matters that only the heart can truly and deeply know. Knowing that godly men and women, martyrs and saints throughout 2000 years of Christianity believed it is secondary to what we personally know first hand with our heart.

[@jesusmarywillsaveyou]

Beautiful, thank you for this.

[@TheThreatenedSwan]

Gavin simply assumes that the stuff he disagrees with must be non-orthodox. Now the stuff he does agree with that can only be found in documents dating to the 4th, 5th, or 16th centuries, he has no problem calling orthodox. What he should be doing instead is saying, how was orthodoxy determined so I can comport my views to that. Because currently he just picks and chooses what documents and authorities he likes that he can import his 21st century evangelical tradition into to give it a veneer of historical authenticity.

[@l21n18]

Which is why I don’t care at all for his “nice guy” veneer when it’s used to advance such deceitful argumentation. I mean he tries to co-opt the fathers for his understanding of baptism, even rabid anti-Catholics like James White and William Webster aren’t that duplicitous, they’re at least honest on that issue.

[@J7Sss]

Poor Dr. Gavin how can he have any credibility if doesn’t read any material? Makes me question if he is a doctor?

[@Vereglez-d4z]

This is excellent. Gavin’s interpretation of Epiphanius’ Panarian 79 is embarrassing. Either he didn’t read it or he is intentionally avoiding the parts that contradict his position. I have a feeling that Gavin Ortlund will continue to ignore your refutations. God bless you William.

[@charliego7375]

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 your video was awesome from the music selection and all. You hit the nail right on the head and I commend you for being stern and straight forward with Dr. Gavin. I think you’re absolutely right on saying our mothers integrity should be fiercely defended even more so with someone who claims to be giving accurate authoritative information. Thanks you for your effort’s

[@TheThreatenedSwan]

Another great video William

[@IzakD8]

Protestans call us Devil worshippers or idolaters ALL the time whenever Mary is brought into the discussion, and that's ok, yet William saying, "you're wrong, you don't know what you're talking about" is offensive.

[@bearistotle2820]

Amen! I found it to be super telling when he got upset at Akin and Horn for making their response "personal." My brother in Christ, you are literally accusing Catholics of idolatry. If you expect us not to take offense to that, you can handle the occasional criticism without whining.

[@picklerick1948]

William I commented on your channel before on a video about Mike Winger. I commented that you were being to uncharitable to Mike winger and were using too harsh language, such that I thought Protestants would have been put off by it. You told me to never comment on your channel again. But I’ve watched many broadcasts since, including your other responses to Mike Winger, and I have to say I think that one video was a fluke. Usually you are completely fair in your commentary, and your arguments and evidence are just undeniable. You are a great gift for the Church. I would only say to perhaps be more generous to those who comment about your attitude. That comment almost made me unsubscribe, but I knew you had the truth with you. Protestants may be less willing to stick with you if they are dismissed, which from this video it seems you are already more clear on this. Thanks again William, God bless 🙏

[@WilliamAlbrecht]

Do me a favor and take a hike! ..only kidding ;) Glad you like the content. I’m a straight shooter and don’t hold back. Pray the Lord preserve me ❤️

[@holyfamilycrusader3512]

This title had me chuckling good 🤣🤣🤣 love the paronomasia

[@swoosh1mil]

Good work Mr. Albrecht! Way to do the research. Ortlund thinks he can rest on the laurels of his doctorate. Sad to think that he's given up on true scholarship; true scholarship never stops just because you attain a doctorate.

[@tonyl3762]

Did your video on the Vienna fragment (K 7589) address Shoemaker's and Norelli's objections to the early dating of the fragment?

[@WilliamAlbrecht]

My newer one did, as updated scholarship on this dates it very early. My original Vienna video is a bit outdated now

[@jesusmariajosephmariaimmac9325]

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[@silvanobozza9698]

Hello brothers, does anyone know where I could find the document about Mary in Epiphanius' Panarion #79. Thanks

[@Vereglez-d4z]

In 4 days 😭

[@WilliamAlbrecht]

All video rebuttals are available several days early on patreon :) In any case, the best kind of support you can give us is prayer! GOD BLESS YOU!

[@apologiaromana4123]

Is this a response to his response?

[@nikolakrcic1021]

Your a meanie William, 😃. Let's translate that to what Gavin really means; ....... Your arguments are eating me inside alive, and I can't refute them!

[@stevenstuart4194]

Still don't get the fascination around Ortlund -- he brings nothing new to the conversation, and makes no headway against Apostolic teaching. The protestant religion is a strange bird. Thanks to William for his tireless work.

[@WilliamAlbrecht]

I am not impressed by his work at all. I do these videos because his stuff gets views and people ask me to respond. He doesn't bring anything even remotely decent to the table.

[@stevenstuart4194]

@@WilliamAlbrecht I agree. I meant why Protestants think Ortlund is a good scholar with substantive answers. He is a kind person, but doesn't make up for the lack.

[@mjramirez6008]

He's ''new'', has a Dr. title, he's one of the remaining few protestant apologists *sounding* appealing and knowledgeable and still corageous enough to somewhat face Catholics... paraphrasing Fr. Calloway : the Counter-Reformation is on baby! 😁

[@bearistotle2820]

He annoys me quite a bit, too, mainly because of just how much he whines every single time he is criticized. No matter how charitable a person is when they respond to him, he always claims they are misrepresenting him.

[@JudeMichaelPeterson]

Video starts about 4:20

[@LaymanBibleLounge]

Just have a debate at this point. So much back and forth 🤣

[@swoosh1mil]

7:40 "...Where and when did this belief come from?" Certainly, not 1,500 years later...like some other beliefs.

[@Mokinono45]

1:45:35 is the best part. Gavin got caught with the hands in the pickle jar.

[@macbride33]

💯🔥

[@seanmckinney9310]

VIDEO RATIFIED BY THE SEAN SEE!

[@gfujigo]

Yes, you are being mean, although you are not being intentionally mean. First, I am a Protestant. I really enjoy listening to your videos. You make a lot of good points that force me as a Protestant to examine my beliefs. That is a good thing. Also, many of the critiques you make of Protestantism are admittedly good. So, how are you being mean? It’s not your response or objections to his points that is mean. It is you accusing him of negative intentions such as being misleading.l or dishonest. Consider that some people see things differently. It’s not that someone is being misleading, they may actually think they are right. So it’s the job of others who oppose them to bring the facts that show they are wrong without accusing him of negative motives. As I said, I have no problem with your rebuttals and critiques of Protestantism. There is no need to accuse folks of being dishonest. As I said though, I enjoy your videos and I pray you keep making them. All the best to you 🙂👍🏿

[@mjramirez6008]

it is dishonesty when you continue to misrepresent the opponents position after being clarified and corrected over and over, Gavin's good at that but Winger's the especialist on the matter

[@awuriefnejqwjmnwn4960]

Im very sorry but Ortlund is either the most biased Person I have ever seen, or he us a deceptive machiavellian Liar who thinks that he is doing the Lords work to save people from Catholicism by lying about it.