BEST LOCATION YET!! And it has already changed?? | Castle Nathria Review #5

[@jakewaitart9507]

I think it would be cool for cards like this that are supposed to scale, like Edwin or Denathrius, there were multiple artworks to denote it being bigger than a 5/5 or a 10/10 etc like don’t the Jade golems do that?

[@bashily2844]

Jade golems do that, I think it’s when the golems are at 4/4, 7/7, and 20/20 that the art changes

[@Med1umentor]

The difference is that Edwin scales as a buff, which can be silenced, while each jade golems are different cards in the first place. It's easy to have a different art right from the start, but for Edwin you would need to destroy previous Edwin and put new Edwin after every time he got buffed. Not only it's a strange approach in the first place, it also introduce tons of problems.

[@satibel]

Given that it's not silencable, it's like jade golem Also as a programmer, I don't think it would be that hard to add the ability for a card to change it's art conditionally. Especially given that it's 3d the card is repainted every frame so it's just a question of playing an animation and at some point during it swap which art is being displayed.

[@jakewaitart9507]

@@Med1umentor I mean it’s ridiculous that art is so intrinsically linked to cards in the first place. Cards should be able to be programmed to have the art they display change based on certain conditions without it having to be completely replaced with a new card. But spaghetti code.

[@jakewaitart9507]

@@satibel my thought exactly, something like this would be so cool, especially for things that do get silenced getting reverted back to their “small minion” art because of it, or being buffed by something else into a bigger version. Obviously it would be waay too much to do for every card, but stuff that’s supposed to scale makes a lot of sense.

[@HearthstoneBaj]

This is the second time for this expansion that a card is changed just after reveal.

[@qwerty11111122]

4th, the mage location and board clear were both changed, and snob went from 4/4 to 3/4

[@bobhihih]

Yeah, it seems like they are revealing cards and realizing certain stuff will be much less/more powerful than they intended.

[@dall1786]

They really had to. I'm not sure how the original version of this ever made it at a play testing because that was completely and 100% busted beyond all reason.

[@Blaze3547craft]

@@dall1786 That’s a really funny way of saying minuscule difference.

[@hellfrozenphoenix13]

@@dall1786 I think the logic was, because of its wording, using the location immediately wasn't an option. I don't think they accounted for long waits for huge ghosts at the tk.e and thought of it as a mif game tool until they realized it's way more flexible than that.

[@enderplaysvidjagames8542]

I personally love the entire concepts of Locations and while some seem to be a lot slower or clunky then others I love the simple yet very unique designs, especially this one! Gonna make miracle or turns you play tons of stuff feel very awesome!

[@parkerreitler1565]

You know there is going to be a lot of balance changes post expansion release when they’re already altering card design

[@Bobberation]

I mean, in theory this is the playtest phase, when all the changes are *supposed* to happen.

[@maximedurante7574]

This one change in particular was just made to avoid spawning a 0/0 that dies instantly.

[@lordcheesus1013]

@@maximedurante7574 Also it was kind of broken with the OG text too. As I understand the old text, the summoned token can't have its stats removed with a silence. If the player summoned a 12/12 token with the old version, it'd still be a 12/12 after a silence was used on it. Now it has a base line stat which means silence effects work on the tokens again for possible tech counters. Even with the slight nerf it's still pretty good for a rare card.

[@maximedurante7574]

@@lordcheesus1013 that's the problem with the new card text actually since Regis confirmed you can't silence the ghosts in the current version too

[@ph1lny3]

In Wild, there was a combo that was fantastic for clearing board, but was missing a beefy beatstick. Sonya + Wildpaw Gnoll gave you virtually infinite dmg for a board clear as long as you had the APM, you could easily play 15-20 cards in a turn. It also wants fewer minions so you can draw core minions more reliably, and wanted something that didn't require you to spend any more than 1 extra mana the same turn, so this is perfect since you can play it the previous turn and activate it when you use the combo. I can easily see this helping that shell become threatening.

[@arthurroth3147]

A small part of me wishes they kept the old sinstone graveyard. Sure it’s weaker, but not only did the card text look nicer in my opinion, but the ability to summon something to immediately die feels fun, especially with infuse. I’m a sucker for creative uses, and this seems like a great potential gimmick.

[@DrBocks]

Maybe there is a potential combo card that made it busted, most likely it was to make it a little stronger, but I would like to see some more powerful infuse cards.

[@Phoenax]

It's not just about that. Stats = to the cards you played means if you play 5 cards it's a base 5/5. Making it so it has +1/+1 for each card means it gets answered by a Silence, for exemple, so it's not this big af early threat which rogue can easily do. Now, weather it keeps the +1/+1 after your turn, I don't know, but I think it won't, since it says "has ... for each you played", could mean it get's buffed and nerfed during the turn

[@DtLS]

But it doesn’t get answered by silence.

[@DrBocks]

@@Phoenax it must be a persistent effect. I don't think they would make it swap to a 1/1 on your opponents turns, not without giving it Rush, stealth would be way too weak then

[@Phoenax]

@@DtLS It does if the text is "has" instead of "summon with this stats", as the difference would be in the summon itself (summoned as a 5/5 it's different than as a 1/1 with a +4/+4 bonus)

[@jessesutton7985]

So, given that locations aren't legendary... they can be run at 2, yes? So rogues can run 4 cheap mini Vancleefs with stealth now... This thing seems very, very good.

[@jessesutton7985]

@@ShiniOokami I'm thinking less about having 2 of them and more about the greater consistency for build arounds. Less board space can mean fewer cards, but then there are preps, coins, draw cards, generate cards, kill stuff cards, etc. I don't think you need super big ghosts for it to feel good either. Two 5/5's for 2 mana, 0 mana the second time sounds like a solid deal, no? And not at all unreasonable to achieve with what rogues already do.

[@jessesutton7985]

@@ShiniOokamiYeah, I got you weren't trashing it. I was clarifying that I wasn't focusing on the daydream of getting both out, I was thinking about them as consistent ways to get mid-sized ghosts on the cheap and sometimes popoff bigtime. You really think it's the only viable one? The shaman one seems easy enough to fit into curves and the mage one generates some value while slowing down the game. Plus the package it's a part of was already promised a buff if it isn't strong enough as far as I know, so it's probably going to get run eventually if not right away. Druid just needs 1 or 2 good enough deathrattles for theirs to pop off. Paladin and priest I'm not so sold on but maybe. Warrior looks like a flop unless they really need that 1 damage synergy. I almost forgot the hunter one which I think says enough. Still intrigued to see the last of the cycle.

[@jessesutton7985]

@@ShiniOokami It sort of sounds like you think these go on CD even if you don't use them, which they don't. So if you drop the shaman location on 1, then on 2 you can use it, you're not waiting for 3. Maybe that was just a mistype or some such, just clearing it up if that's what you thought. When I say the shaman one fits into curves I mean you could play it on 1 if you have nothing else but you could also play it on 3 when you only have a 2 drop for instance to fill out your curve, giving you some kind of 3drop and future 0mana evolves. The new Vashj has great synergy with it and maybe there's more to come. Maybe not amazing but playable. I'm also not sure why you seemed concerned that your board won't stick between uses of it. I don't see how that's necessary. You just play a battlecry or Vashj and evolve them on the spot.

[@jorgelenny47]

Sinstone graveyard already gives me miracle rogue vibes. They'll probably print more miracle support and I'm down for it

[@randomcatname7792]

Imagine making a 2 mana, stealthed, double castable Edwin.. Genius

[@drwooga9149]

This set seems so fun to play, and while the rogue is a class that is scary to give the graveyard location to, I kind of miss the days where one can get a crazy opener and get a large Edwin. Curious what class legendary looks like, as it seems that they are closely tied to the location. Looking forward to more reviews :)

[@JB-pz6rt]

Not so fun when you’re the one trying to remove a 20/20 Edwin on turn 4

[@masterpotato2162]

Two 3/5 with rush on turn 3 with no setup is bad enough

[@erfansalehi1899]

If only Edwin was still playable in wild. Too much removal nowadays. I still have him for old times sake.

[@becausecontextmatters5260]

The text still feels weird, i guess the usual way to write it was "summon a x/x minion with stealth" rather than "stealthed minion"

[@kam......]

I think the play rate of this location will depend on either the survivability of Rogue as a class, the consistency of cheap cards and draw, the effectiveness at untargeted (random or whole board) removal in the meta, or all of the above. It'll probably be a fun combo, but with Renathal out there it might not be enough to win games alone. Even with a hard-to-achieve 10/10 stealth, battlemaster, and 12 damage in maxed out wicked stabs, you only have 36 damage. With the presence of healing and armor, it'll be difficult to count on chip damage for that extra 4. And all the while, your opponent can see your set up since it's a 2-turn combo. Weirdly, I think it'll probably be better as mid-game protection while you draw for some other combo.

[@oridimri7427]

Those anyone knows if the ghost will stay with 1 mana cost after the buffs, if it those shadow stepping it after it attacks will be busted (will be stealthed again)

[@ericslingerland5472]

Nice to see a location that isn't hurt by how long it takes to pay off

[@theoemile2477]

Do we know if it's possible to have two copies of the same location on the board at the same time? If you play this, later play a billion cards, you can tap two Sinstone Graveyards and have two giant stealthed ghosts?

[@lesiegelad]

Looks like a more flexible questing adventurer in many ways. 1 Mana cheaper although -1/-1, but with it being a location it's also like a 0 Mana Adventurer if you choose to pop off later instead. Sure Questing Adventurer can scale forever, but it's not as flexible. Either way it's cool to see this effect back.

[@azen1124]

So does this mean the Rogue persona for the expansion has a Haunted Conscience for the whole Sir Denathrius death dilemma? :thinking:

[@DietersYT]

Graveyard Won’t see play. Calling it now

[@TheOneWhoReportsForDuty]

That looks crazy good! Rogue already naturally does a lot of combo stuff so this seems just like additional value for them at a cost of preemptively using 2 mana earlier in the game.

[@TheOneWhoReportsForDuty]

@@MDoorpsy I can’t think of a way besides reducing the durability

[@crasykengoru6450]

Them altering the cards kinda suggests for me that this expansion may not be very polished. I hope im wrong tho

[@aaronlo9589]

@@schploink6869 they do have several competitors the biggest on being MTG, Runeterra and mtg spin offs

[@satibel]

The 4 mana 3/3 might be played a bit with that. on turn 3 you play a coin and 4 1 mana cards and you have a 6/6. The fact that it's basically a 0 mana vancleef is pretty strong. Though the nutty start is on 1 mana starting second with 2 extra coins, you play 3 coins 2 graveyards and have 2 5/5 stealth. (And if you have the other that's no hand but 2 6/6 stealth and a 3/3, so lethal on 3.)

[@longbow857]

I thought the shaman location was looking to be very playable together with the upcoming shaman legendary, so did you forget about that one or do you think it will be unplayable already?

[@JockyCGE]

This one is definitely up there with the best locations so far, but my favorite has to be hedge maze.

[@joshuaphillips4604]

so strange to be actively editing cards after spoilers, just seems like sloppy operations.

[@captainmurphy4949]

Doesn’t scabbs from the rogue quest line basically do this but cheaper?

[@RegisKillbin]

Well, you need to play 6 SI:7 cards to get Scabbs, then need to spend 6 mana on Scabbs and the stealth gizmo. So you're looking at 8 cards played and probably ~18 mana for a 9/7 with Stealth. So I think the location might be cheaper, depending on how much setup it feels like it demands (generating coins and so on).

[@murloc_kingoxii4410]

What is exactly the diference in efect of the new text? Did it change the way it functions or it is just a nicer text and it works the same?

[@conberate]

The difference is that, with the old text if you used it on a turn when you hadn't played any cards yet it would summon a 0/0. Both versions would still have summoned a 1/1 if you played it turn two and then activated it, but the new version is actually slightly stronger.

[@murloc_kingoxii4410]

@@conberate oh thank you, seeing like that the new text does sound better.

[@maggotthemadman8142]

Can you only have one location at a time? If not, you could do some crazy 2 turn lethals with this card.

[@liscbananowy6088]

You can have as many as you want

[@saltkeeper44]

Max 7 because they take the same space that minions use

[@kanespiritbringer]

Patiently waiting on the warlock card reveals

[@ryangeorge6531]

Pretty sure they changed the wording so you can actually silence it. The new text it’ll be silenced back to a 1/1 the old text means their base stats were that you couldn’t silence the stats so that’s why they changed the text

[@RegisKillbin]

Well, no, as I pointed out in the video, it has been confirmed by devs that the stats will not be silenced. Here is a link to the source: twitter.com/MyntyPhresh/status/1544784775365373952?t=FDjcZwm02vEvFeD389lOPg&s=19 The reason for this is that it doesn't say "give it +1/+1", it says it "has +1/+1".

[@metavisiongaming]

I hope there is a tech card against locations

[@Huricanegx]

It doesn't seem like a big enough payoff. Deathrattle Rogue seems to do it better.

[@ppppppqqqppp]

that's probably because your 2 mana big token generator is probably not meant to be the big payoff card

[@abbiedreams]

This is not a VanCleef, it's TWO FREAKING STEALTHED VANCLEEFS. I don't really think that it it might grow more than 8/8 on turn 4-6, so it won't a big problem, though it's stealhed, but it's interesting to see some support for miracle.

[@stephano2996]

Its more like 2 half vancleefs. These guys get +1+1 and edwin was +2+2

[@joycosta8707]

Great replacement for the quest Scabbs body.

[@zuni3474]

I can already read the title from Mark “Sinstone Graveyard OTK”

[@angie1244]

Lady s’theno can deal with the stealth minion from sinstone graveyard if the DH has a lot of cheap spells

[@Steamtostay]

Anyone else think the original text was easier to understand? Could have been amended something like "Summon a stealthed ghost with stats 1/1 higher than the number of other cards you played this turn (0/0)."

[@SophieMediaGaming]

Can the locations be silenced?

[@liscbananowy6088]

No, they're not a minion. It's a completely new card type. You can not silence it unless card specifically say "silence a location" or smth

[@tiagowizzy]

No, but they may be destroyed by a card that specifically says so, as they teased

[@RegisKillbin]

Not by cards that silence minions. Perhaps they could print a card that silences/destroys locations.

[@polishhockeyfan]

All these "pre-release" changes aren't exactly filling me with confidence as a customer who's already been frustrated with Blizzard's shoddy balance over the past year or two

[@synchronium24]

At least they are pre-release changes as opposed to the usual post-release.

[@necro6471]

Honestly it probably had to do with silence and the fact it'd end up killing the ghost because it doesn't have a base attack/health

[@Azaazbuka]

Not a single warlock or DH card revealed yet. They're either going to be really broken or meh

[@dikardvondoom3574]

It’s more powerful than the others, so far, but only has 2 durability to balance it out.

[@MichaelSmith-zw5fu]

With that token, it looks like waifu rogue is coming back!

[@satibel]

The difference is that you can play a 1/1 on a turn after without playing any card

[@alanlim4830]

Rogue is really really blizzard favourite class

[@jackvalior]

Cant wait to see how the new card break the game

[@rltt379]

It's probably gonna break the game simply because of stealth and no silence. Basically you can't trade it away and you can't kill it unless you have a hard board clear or a silence and minions. Stealth is pretty much delayed charge with possibility of buff...

[@stephano2996]

Taunts could work.

[@rltt379]

@@stephano2996 rogue can send minions back to hand or flick them or use removal, which a stealthed minion is pretty much invulnerable to

[@stephano2996]

@@rltt379 Theres still freeze, devolve, silence or aoe spells that can deal with this pretty easily.

[@rltt379]

@@stephano2996 devolve yes, freeze just delays a turn. Only counterplay is hard removal aoe and that's bs. A stealth 8 8 is what it is for free at that on turn 4-5 and let's not forget windfury and how easy it is to deal 14 dmg as rogue... I'm curious about what happens if you bounce a ghost though, is 10mana cap? Could it go higher? Or is it simply 0 mana? Even if it was scaling with stats 100% it's still too strong if it was rush instead of stealth fine, but stealth is just problematic

[@daleodorito]

Oh man, I feel like at least half of the locations are gonna be nerfed in less than a month, they are so fucking strong, but once again, quests and heroes are also op as fuck so who knows

[@saltkeeper44]

Ok now makes sense. Now you can use it on the turn you play it Btw, I'm thinking about becoming a ghost myself to get some haunted conscience ghossy

[@marcoantonio-bq6rt]

Locations remaind me FIELDS cards in Yu Gi Oh game.

[@brandonbetsy6171]

I'm so sad wtf I thought the deathrattle location was the rogue one this whole time but it's DRUID :(

[@cerberus9185]

Is it just me or is no one really talking about how the fact that it only has two durability and the rest of the others have three durability...?

[@sebastienlavoie1532]

It's also 10 time more powerful and broken than every other locations combined...wtf are they smoking seriously

[@SteelTheRobot]

Huh. 2 mana for 2 free biteweeds on 2 later turns.

[@Bugeaters]

cant silence it makes it a 5* imo, this is insane

[@LaMangouste]

Great, another future OHK two cards wonder. Ugh...

[@rambopanda8645]

Both versions are literally the same. I dont see the difference?

[@Madmuli]

The first version would allow a player to accidentally summon a 0/0 with their 2nd use, having it die instantly

[@Animantium1]

It sucks they made it vulnerable to silence now so sad

[@Atomikkujp]

Growing a bit concerned they are rushing this set out with all the changes post reveal. Not a good look.

[@enderplaysvidjagames8542]

I mean, rushing the set out and revealing pre-changed cards might seem hand and hand but that doesn't really change the quality of the set to be honest lol. If that's what you meant that is

[@Atomikkujp]

@@enderplaysvidjagames8542 I like the flavor and excited for the new cards, but Hearthstone is notorious for spaghetti code and if it's rushed, it will create more spaghetti.

[@leanfargel4067]

Damn Why is the ghost so hot🔥👀 No wonder she is haunted

[@roco993]

Prob gonna be nerfed to 3 mana

[@RaiXYT]

I could feel this card is gonna break Hearthstone and its gonna get a rework Lol

[@TheBloodypimp]

Hold up.... why doesn't it count itself? That's just a scam thou...m

[@liscbananowy6088]

"...for each OTHER card you played..." That's why

[@tiagowizzy]

Because it says "each other card"

[@TheBloodypimp]

@@liscbananowy6088 ohhh that was the change. ^_^

[@TheBloodypimp]

@@tiagowizzy yeah i saw it now....

[@rltt379]

This should not have stealth

[@DeezNuggitz]

This card is terrible. I have to play 6 fkin cards for a 4/4? Terrible

[@roymaloy5237]

Almost first :)

[@SP-cp3qu]

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