Regulator Showdown FX PANTHERA | AMP vs. HUMA - Unveiling the Champion!

[@FodzyleGEEK]

Hello great explication for the down speed with more pressure in thé plénum, good picture with the stronger man. I'm Always looking for a good exemple to explain to the New airgunners the good setup between the plénum pressure and the hit of the hammer. Good job to for the interest of the huma regulator 👍

[@ravenshield7823]

When you tune, have your hammer spring maxed out, start low on the reg just like you did, and increase it till you get to the desired velocity. Then, back off the hammer till you lose velocity, then turn it a couple clicks over that point. This is where you want to be. If you have too much spring at this point, your first shot will be high because of what people call "creep". If you just choose a high reg pressure and increase spring tension till you get to your desired velocity, your fist shot will be low, from the same "Creep" This is because, in this scenario, you are shooting an unregulated gun, and the hammer spring tension is acting as the regulator, and your real regulator is just dumbing down the pressure supply from your main tank, basically acting like the twin regulators in the M3. your velocity, the next day might creep back up till it levels off if you try to tune it backwards, or Unregulated. You are supposed to tune the regulator, to your hammer spring, not the other way around. You can get it right doing it backwards, but you would have to be very lucky.

[@peteralexben]

huma a dutch product is a very good regulator and rebuild set are easy availlable , thats a big plus also , because after a time you need to clean a reg and renew parts . it depends how clean and dry the air is in the gun thats used

[@deeparker6109]

I originally bypassed the first reg on my M3 because the fX first reg was really inconsistent, worked well for a period, then after a few months started to get creep on the Huma second reg, fitted a Huma first reg also and this has transformed the refill time between shots and also 6 months later not had one bar of creep on the second reg, not one !.

[@SimpleGr33n]

I appreciate showing me how also waiting to see how it does at long range now

[@VikingAirgunner]

Check out the video where I am shooting soda cans at 200 m with both the Panthera and the M3 😎

[@45035]

Outstanding shipmate. Press on. USS Kitty Hawk CV-63. Jan 1980 to July 1983. Air gunner for life.

[@stillair1]

Thanks for the video Peter great job. When I get my king, it looks like the huma reg is the way to go if one encounters issues.

[@VikingAirgunner]

Highly recommended 🤗 Nice that you are getting the King 😎 Beautifull gun 😍

[@jeromemorespeeder3503]

Great! I will think to that for the next upgrade on my m3! Thanks for your research and your time 🙏😉

[@hobar8031]

THANK YOU! Atlast someone did a video about this! ❤❤

[@recklessjunkie]

Peter we need t-shirts also you seem to know when I wake up in the morning because your video always drops really nice and early just in time for my early morning KZbin & window shopping time haha thanks very informative and I think I’ll be putting an order in very soon those little huma regs are very nice and that PRICE TAG reflects that haha! I just bought a Dji mini 4 pro “drone” and that’s gonna come in handy when shooting targets and what not and other things like scouting a potential hunting location have a nice weekend buddy glad your doing well.

[@richardbordereau3568]

Hello! Congratulations for your videos! I have a clarification to ask you about the FX Panthera regulator: did you mount the 60-135 bars or the 100-200 bars? Thank you for your answer

[@VikingAirgunner]

In this one Im using the super high preasure (100-200) but since then I changed it to low preasure. Not much of a difference with the range overlapping, but the super high preasure stacking does win. Regulators are not different, so just get the springs 🙂

[@Thorny8]

Excellent video. Thank you Peter.

[@AntonyLD]

I've changed all my AMP regs with HUMA in 3 FX for this exact reason. OK if you just need to take one or two "recovery" shots every time you shoot it maynot be so bad but when you get to higher calibres it does matter. For example, in a .35 calibre you're getting 26 shots per fill you don't want to be wasting air like that.

[@chrisfigueroa3361]

Awesome video and demonstration on both regs Peter I have a huma reg in my fx mk2 25 cal 700mm and a amp reg in my fx m3 22 cal 700mm both work about the same imo I don't have a problem with either one I polish the Belleville washers in both regs it helps out a lot for the reg creep well it did for me ,.make sure you tune your gun correctly I always go 20 to 30 fps higher then my desired fps I use the value adjustment to come down and the hammer tension it helps me out like that for tuning and creep . I used to just tune my gun to the speed I wanted it at and leave it then the next day say for example it was at 900 fps the next day the speed would drop down to like 880 and it would stay there or the spread and SD was very High or all over the place in between shots never consistent when I watched Ted bier the man the legend show us his secret on tuning his gun and Matt Dubber showed us as well how they tuned there guns it opened my eyes on how you have to balance the reg with the hammer tension ,anyways sorry for the long comment I can keep on going talking about this lol thank you Peter I like your channel keep on keeping on be safe my friend 💯

[@VikingAirgunner]

Hi Chris and thank you for your long and detailed discription of experiences and general approaches. I got the info about this way of tuning from a video that Steve (AEAC) did and it works so well. But still there are things to explore with balance between the different values 🙂 Have a great weekend Chris 😎

[@armandoespinoza1359]

Muy buena explicación y yo pensando que mi regulador estaba dañado porque subía en el transcurso de la noche comprare un huma muchas gracias

[@ravenshield7823]

When you shoot an air gun, the transfer of the air cools everything down substantially. So once the plenum gets back to room temperature, the pressure has to go up, I think this is a misconception and wrongly labeled "creep". The same thing happens in reverse in your bottle when you fill it gets warm, then it cools down and there is a couple bars lost. You would have regulate the air temperature in order to control this. What do you think about this theory.

[@chrisfigueroa3361]

You are correct 💯 imo because that happens to me cool in the house then hot outside the gun fps goes up in my case

[@TripleGRogerLait]

Well you were not kidding about your mat. You NEED a rifle mat like mine. Great video indeed. The HUMA does make a bunch of difference it seems. My buddies King needs one of these right now. 😀👍

[@VikingAirgunner]

I thought about cutting the edges in a nifty pattern - SWISH!! Ends up being me sending you a mat 😎😜😂

[@johnhorsfield4361]

Hi Peter, As you mentioned some AMP regulators perform better than others. I hear that newer rifles have the brass piston now, but my Crown mk2 which is quite old probably has the plastic one, however this rifle does not have a noticeable velocity change over time like my newer Maverick. I only have anologue gauges so can't tell whether there is any creep. Your experience working on the bellville springs and lubricating the parts before re-installing has been mentioned by others and has been recommended as a way of improving shot to shot consistency. Swapping out the AMP regulator for the Huma might improve ones experience but maybe working on the AMP reg first might make changing unnecessary. I really enjoy your videos, you are very particular and want to get the best out of your rifles and it's helpful to others to follow you on your journey.

[@VikingAirgunner]

Hi John and thank you for your comment🙏 When I changed the plastic piston with the brass piston I saw just a small improvement, but my amp reg was allready performing really well. So the improvement might be bigger if the reg had been bad from the start. If you havent seen that video, you should check it out 🙂

[@johnhorsfield4361]

@@VikingAirgunner Hi Peter, yes I did see the video with the brass piston. I recently bought some FX Crown spares and decided to get a whole new regulator and this one has a brass piston but I haven't felt the need to change it yet. Your videos show you put a lot of thought into your sport.

[@johndanville6643]

Morning Peter, I really like huma regulator in my m3.im just about to order one for my panthera, they are brilliant. Hope you're keeping well. Excellent video as always 👌

[@VikingAirgunner]

Thank you John 🙂 You will love the Huma reg in your Panthera - it has really made me confident in mine 🤗

[@johndanville6643]

​@VikingAirgunner thanks Peter 😊

[@johndanville6643]

@VikingAirgunner Peter have you got some Eagle vision magazines. Just got some yesterday. They are brilliant, a lot better than the plastic crap from fx

[@johndanville6643]

Sorry Pete you don't use mags you use single loders lol 😊

[@ericlindholm7510]

Um hmm. That was pretty interesting. Liked the reg install also. I know that the top companies all have pretty good regs, and not to disparage anyone, but what do u think differentiates them? Design? Materials? Thank u for another great video sir.👍

[@VikingAirgunner]

Thank you Eric 🙂 I dont really know. But as you say - materiales, design. I imagine that the springs are different, so perhaps a combination of the above 😃

[@mikelg5456.]

Hi Peter, thanks for the video. Question: huma-air offers you two regulators possibilities (low pressure range - extra high pressure range) if I install the extra high pressure range in Spain where the joules are limited to 24 means I will break this limiter? or there is any other component limiting the power and I could install that without worries? Just trying to understand how the gun components works

[@VikingAirgunner]

I have never worked with guns that were limited, so I cant really say anything about that. The extra high preasure is made to be used between 100 and 200 bar, and I dont assume that you are in that range? Low goes up to 135 bar.

[@PrecisionQuest]

Thks. My .22 Panthera does creep overnight by ~ 4 bar up on reg and also goes down on the tank by around 10 bar.

[@VikingAirgunner]

If it goes down by 10 bar after a fill it is what to expect, but apart from that you probably have a leak.

[@PrecisionQuest]

@@VikingAirgunner I did have it sent back and they reportedly fixed it...but it still does leak. thks

[@VikingAirgunner]

@@PrecisionQuest Have you done a search for leaks? If the preasure of the reg is stabile (or in your case goes up) the leak will most likely be before the reg. So start with the fill nipple. Could be from there. If you dont have a leak search fluid you can use shaving cream 🤓

[@PrecisionQuest]

@@VikingAirgunner thks., yeah they said the leak was from my gauge. I do have leak check, but couldn't lcoate the issue. It's a pretty small leak, so I don't fuss about it too much anymore.

[@preyingmathis2517]

Ernest Rowe is working on getting rid of the Bellville washers and going to a die cast spring.... interesting. Dont know if you saw his video today on it.

[@VikingAirgunner]

I saw it. Very interesting 🙂

[@FreeFloridaAirgunner]

good info, especially how to tune the reg screw using just the short bit. Thanks

[@VikingAirgunner]

Thanks Bart 🙂 I have an idea forming in my head for a tool to use for adjustment, so stay tuned 🤓😃

[@johnmichelini4841]

HUMA has two regs for the FX Panthera, low range 60bar to 135bar and a high range 100bar to 200bar. Which one are you using? If it is the high range, would the low range fill just as fast?

[@VikingAirgunner]

In this video I am using the extra high, but I switched to low. No significant change in filling time, but with low the reg preasure didnt drop as much from full bottle to charge time as with extra high spring configuration. The regulators are the same. Only the springs are different. And you can buy springs seperately.

[@johnmichelini4841]

Thank you

[@Vacuumpacks]

Did you have similar results in the Impact? Considering a Huma for my M3.

[@VikingAirgunner]

As Im saying in the video, the AMP works perfect in the M3. Fast and accurate filling with no creep. Some use Huma regulators in their Impacts, but I see absolutely no reason to change.

[@InTimeZone1993]

As always, the best informative video out there... ✌️ Any idea if that Huma reg could accept 300 bar pressure like the original do?

[@VikingAirgunner]

Thank you Zura 🙂 The Dynamic block has a max capacity of 250 bar reguardless of the regulator. Higher preasures might damage the system. In terms of max setting on the two regulators the AMP will go to around 190 bar (not entrirely sure of the exact max but around there) and the Huma extra high preasure can be set to 200 bar 🙂

[@gigolocan8914]

The internals of the panthera can handle 300bar np (according to matt, hes r&d at fx and should know)

[@michaell397]

I put a Huma Reg in my Uragan. Fantastic! KnifeMaker

[@johndanville6643]

I heard that you are a free diver. What a guy I can hold my breath for about 1 minute lol

[@VikingAirgunner]

Used to be at least 😃 With a few instructions you can hold your breath much longer 😎😉

[@josh9465]

What stack configuration of belleville washers did you use. 0.4, 0.5 or 0.6mm and how did you stack them. Theres 3 ways that Huma's instructions say to stack them.

[@VikingAirgunner]

Hi Josh It is an extra high preasure reg, so I used that configuration. 8 springs, 0,6: )()()()( Those are the suggested way by Huma 😇

[@josh9465]

@@VikingAirgunner thanks that’s the same as I’m using now. Just wanted to confirm

[@sariphunter]

Hello brother, I also have a gen3 but I don't know where the washers go for what max power can you help me?? thanks

[@VikingAirgunner]

Take a look at the document provided by Huma. There is a bunch of usefull info 👍🙂

[@gigolocan8914]

So how do you degass with the huma? Unscrewing the reg gauge? Its locktited on mine and im scared i’ll break it if i force it loose. No luck heating it up either, im at a point where i might just reinstall the amp 😟

[@VikingAirgunner]

There should be no problem in releasing the reg gauge. I have done it on all my guns🙂 Just remember to clean it before reinstalling 🤓

[@gigolocan8914]

Yes got it off, why fx decide to locktite their gauges dosen’t make much sense to me. Unnecessary imo. Quite annoying u can’t degass with the setscrew cause of the floating delring, but guess it’s worth it with the much better performance.

[@VikingAirgunner]

@@gigolocan8914 Agree!

[@GeorgeMorin]

This is exactly why tried went back to wika gauge after trying Sekhmet digital.

[@VikingAirgunner]

Can you be a bit more specific? 🤔

[@johnmichelini4841]

How do you degass the gun after removing the bottles with the HUMA reg installed.

[@VikingAirgunner]

I release the reg gauge just enough for the air to bleed slowly.

[@johnmichelini4841]

Thank you

[@sebastiang6410]

My V3 low pressure refreshes in 4-5seconds at reg set to 80bar. It stays at 80bar - no creep with time

[@MrJamesThekat]

Can you reference a video on how to polish the springs you mentioned in 20:15 ? I cant find one

[@VikingAirgunner]

Its been ages since I saw someone doing it, so I cant remember the video, but it is very simple. I use Autosol and just rub each spring with my fingers for like one minutand then clean and lube before installing🙂

[@gigolocan8914]

Just recieved my Panthera .177 700mm and just came here for a few tips on how to set it up while i wait for my bipod and scope rings to arrive. Kinda bummed to see the amp reg is performing like this, the creep is to be expected to some extend but the reset time at 10+ seconds i wasent aware of. I never messed much with regulators how excatly do you go about polishing the discs? Also the manual dosen’t say anywhere you need to degass the plenum before decreasing reg pressure..really?! Wont that damage the valve?

[@VikingAirgunner]

I actually think that it is mentioned somewhere that you dont have to degass of you want to decrease the reg preasure, but I did it once on the M3 and it damaged the reg piston, so I always degass. Others might recommend otherwise. I believe there are videos on how to polish the springs - but I seriously recommend the Huma reg instead. Noone has commented that their amp reg performed perfect in the dynamic block so if you want to avoid the issues that I adress in this video just go for the Huma 😎

[@gigolocan8914]

Noted..Better safe than sorry. Thanks will definitely consider the huma down the line, but for now i like to keep everything stock to get a feeling for the the gun out of the box before installing any aftermarked stuff. Thanks for the vids btw, very helpfull.

[@peashooter950]

Well i did not have much luck with my Huma REG i got for the Maverick, but i might revisit it later on. Next week i get my new rifle 🙂 so the Maverick will probably not see much action this year. The HUMA REG really should have a HEX like the FX ones, the flathead thing is annoying, not least on your rifle here with the REG located like that.

[@daiwangel]

Good afternoon, I have the same adjustable Huma Air, but I have many doubts, two nylon discs, put one or two nylon inside, greetings, thank you

[@VikingAirgunner]

Use one and the other one is a spare. A pretty professionel touch to send spares 😎 Find the document on their webpage. Well worth reading 🤓👍👍

[@daiwangel]

@@VikingAirgunner I have one but it doesn't use anything two years ago I tried to put a new one try correct one nylon disc thank you very much help more enjoy fx

[@Zegswijze]

I own three FX airguns, all equipped with AMP regs. It seems you just have to be lucky to get a good one. The reg on my Impact M3 had no creep from the factory and worked perfectly fine out of the box. The one on my Panthera had a steady creep of 10 to 15 bar, even after a month of settling in at 120 bar. That one is free of creep now by giving the contact surfaces a good polish. My Maverick on the other end has a bad reg from the factory. Even with a good polish that AMP reg still creeps and has a slow refresh rate. It's just luck of the draw it seems with those regs.

[@VikingAirgunner]

Question: Have you ever had an AMP that got better over time? Somehow I have had that experience. Might be the springs "polishing" them selves after many shots. Not sure but makes sense - for me at least 😂

[@Zegswijze]

@@VikingAirgunner No, they didn't get better over time. My Maverick is the oldest of the bunch and that one has the worst performing reg. Although I can see your train of thought. The high spots on the belleville washers are crucial parts to polish.

[@wsmc8275]

One negative about the HUMA, you can't degas with it.

[@VikingAirgunner]

@@wsmc8275 Sure you can. Remove the bottle and turn the set screw a tiny bit counter clockwise and it will degass.

[@wsmc8275]

@VikingAirgunner Negative, I tried this. I reached out to HUMA with this concern and they said to shoot the gun to degas.

[@slintik]

U can send amp reg back for maintenance, they will fix that(at least on krale)

[@ormedyacosta2764]

Where can I get that rifle?

[@preyingmathis2517]

I think I might put one in my M4. I've got it broke in real good and when I think I have a good tune going it will throw 3 or 4 weird velocities while the rest of the string is good.... I thought maybe pellets could have been the issue so I actually sorted some and still had the problem. Then there is the overnight problem with the low and slow and even if it sits for 10min it will do the same. Pretty disappointed with this new impact. I believe I got a lemon regulator lol and screw warranty service. I sent my M3 in over a month ago to get a leak fixed under warranty because the warranty was about to end so I figured hey why not send it in. Now I know why not. Over a month and still dont have it back. Ive done all kinds of different tune techniques to try and resolve my problems including going a little above velocity and then squeezing the valve for the last few fps and still hot garbage lol maybe FX should just have huma make their regs.

[@VikingAirgunner]

Your experiences sounds familar. Consistancy is not the first Word that come up when thinking about the M4. Sad to say but true. Working on a tuning video these days with several approaches. Just writing with a mate and said that after the video is done I will try not to shift tunes and messing too much with the gun. Maybe it just needs time to settle in 🤔

[@slintik]

Preassure increase-pls dont forget there will be temp increase, so this is normal(when powerpenum is filled it decrease temp...)

[@wsmc8275]

Cant degas with the HUMA.

[@Anfänger123]

Traurig genug das FX so einen schlechten Regler einbaut ,bei dem Preis der Waffe

[@VikingAirgunner]

Agree.... Defenately room for improvement!