Reloading Shotshell Hulls - Tapered Vs Straight Wall - How To Check

[@1silverounce324]

This helped a lot. Thank you.

[@DummyRound]

Awesome! Glad you found it helpful👍🇺🇲

[@IRONJUNK625]

Thanks for your time and the education!

[@DummyRound]

Thanks for checking it out👍🇺🇲

[@25skeet50skeet]

You can flare out the obturating cup on the wads to allow them to work in anything. A pair of pliers works very well for it

[@DummyRound]

I've seen The Shotgun Scientists do that before, guess I better try it. Thanks for the reminder 🇺🇸👍👊

[@bugmouthready529]

I flare them out like this Dip in very hot water for 10 secs Flare out by pressing against a golfball for 10 secs Dip into ice cold water for 10 secs I call it the 30 sec flare, 60% of the time it works every time

[@cw2a]

❤. I was gonna go over this in my Slug Video! GOOD STUFF MAN!! ❤❤

[@DummyRound]

Thanks! You should go over it anyways, I'm sure I missed some stuff.

[@wayneribbeck732]

You can use the tapered wads in straight wall hulls as long as you put a one inch square of tissue paper or napkin to stop the powder migration

[@joearledge1]

Yep works great! An alternative I used to use before that was well known was just an over powder card, either a 1/8" nitro card or an over shot card or similar. If your powder is high enough or you add a fiber wad or something over the powder, you can use straight wads in tapered hulls, but capacity is pretty limited.

[@DummyRound]

I'm going to give that a try in the 20ga shells. Forgot I saw BRO mention that one. Thanks!

[@DummyRound]

Good thinking. I need to start getting some different shot cards and traditional wads and such. Thanks!

[@thinkingbill1304]

Straight wall hulls, technically called "Riefenhauser" hulls, are typically associated with Federal & European manufacture. Tapered hulls, Remington STS & old Winchester AA for example, are technically "Compression Formed". These use two different manufacturing processes. For basic understanding, compression formed is a plastic forging while Riefenhauser is an assembly of parts. Both methods can make very good hulls. Both methods have pro's & con's. There is a lot of overlap too. For instance, the old Win AA is compression formed while the newer Win AA-HS is Riefenhauser made to mimic the internal profile of the old AA's for the sake of interchangeability. Note however that there are no hard & fast rules here. There are Federal's with compression hulls having more capacity than Riefenhauser's and Remington & Winchester hulls with Riefenhauser construction. Also there are contract hulls that are made by one company but marketed in the name of another. Sectioning hulls as you have shown goes a long way to knowing what you have. American components are manufactured to SAAMI specs (Imperial) while European ammo is made per CIP spec (metric). Side notes, US SAAMI 209 primers are a wee bit smaller then European CIP 209 primers, typically, hence the bad reputation of European 209 primers in American hulls. Also, for example, 2 3/4"-70mm is not a hard rule, it's a maximum spec, 2 5/8- 65mm is still called as 2 3/4-70mm. it's about the gun chamber, not the shell. Match components according to your hulls and many issues will be solved. Sorting your hulls by length will also solve many crimping problems. I hope this helps everyone. Happy shooting Y'all!

[@DummyRound]

Great info, thanks for sharing. I always cut them open if I'm unsure. I also had just collected enough of the ones I'm going to need for the foreseeable future and donated the rest to a shooting buddy. Do you know of a good way to "wash" them? Thanks!

[@thinkingbill1304]

@@DummyRound I've tried many things, mostly with poor results. Tumbling in dry media packs fine dust into every possible nook & cranny, not good. Wet cleaning methods puts moisture under the head, also not good especially with paper hull parts. Dirty vs. filthy is a subjective call. The best way I know really to remove clinging dirt & grit is with a soft cloth or paper towel as part of my basic inspection before loading. The really important thing is to clean the inside of foreign objects like grass, dead bugs, sand, etc. Hulls pick up all kinds of stuff when they hit the ground (especially with pick-ups!). A good light and long handle Q-Tips work well for this. There is little one can do about scorching or discoloration. The big thing to me is to not introduce abrasive grit into my loader or gun via a filthy hull/shell.

[@nickolasthefrog]

@@DummyRound Before investing extraordinary labor in a hull, consider that new primed hulls don’t incur a hazmat fee in shipping while primers purchased separately do. The Lyman book warns about water trapped between the plastic base wad and the hull. Water enters via ill advised cleaning or before collecting off the ground.

[@frankwebster8365]

Thanks for the information on whether you have a tapered shell or a straight walled shell using a clay Buster wad, Cheers....Take Care and Be Safe.

[@paulpopa8468]

Thanks for this video

[@DummyRound]

Thanks for watching👍🤠🇺🇲

[@allthingsconsidered3211]

Thanks DR

[@DummyRound]

Yessir!

[@hillbillync655]

It's 2023. I think the straight hulls can identify as tapered hulls now.

[@DummyRound]

You, sir, have won the internet for today. LOL!

[@catherineharris4746]

😭Oh NO! The sickness has migrated to our sports now!!😂😂😂😂

[@DummyRound]

Pistol caliber carbines or rifle caliber pistols🤣🙃

[@CarlPapa88]

Can't forget the rat shot pistol calibers too. Haha

[@ArcheryRuleZ]

we can all identify as indians like liz warren snd not need hunting licenses because, why not?

[@jesseboutdoors]

This is stuff I need to learn 👍🇺🇸

[@DummyRound]

I'm still learning as we go so let me know any other questions I don't know to ask 👍🇺🇸👊

[@chendo650]

Thinking about getting into reloading shells myself, before i saw this in depth i would have just assumed tapered wads are a universal best bet. The reason being is that you can use an overshot card before the wad to seal off any powder leakage. Am i on the right train of thought ?

[@DummyRound]

You can absolutely use over powder or over shot cards wherever you want, but it's best to match the wad to the hull if you can. Good luck! 👍🇺🇲

[@archangel20031]

I purchased 500 GunClub one piece tapered hulls and as of yet been unable to find a wad that does leave so much space that the powder rattles around when loaded! I'd love to see one taken apart to see how much space is in the factory GunClub hull.

[@DummyRound]

I've only picked them up from the range, but pretty much any Remington variety are my go-to if I can help it. The Claybuster wads work great if you match them to your payload. The Nitro and STS are my favorites 👍🇺🇲

[@outdoorswithroostercurrie6984]

Great video and I definitely learned a few things. Are you aware of ANY 28ga. Wads for loading TSS / Steel loads. I know TPS wads are the best, but I haven’t been able to find them ANYWHERE. Thanks in advance for your time and help.

[@hazcat640]

Dummy, THANKS for the show and tell on the hulls!! 👍👍 Couldn't you just put a card on top of the powder like BP before the wad? Probably could use manila folder paper or even cereal box. Just get a punch that size or I have seen guys take a hole saw, grind the teeth off and put it in a drill chuck to make it faster.

[@DummyRound]

No problem! And yes, as some others have mentioned in their comments, you can simply use an over shot card to keep the powder and shot column in place. Thanks!

[@Sneakyjoe69]

Have you found any stock 20 gauge straight wall wads ? Any of them for steel ?

[@DummyRound]

I have not, and no. Sorry!

[@antichrist_revealed]

Not all Winchester Super X are tapered. The Winchester X steel loads are straight wall and can be loaded back as straight wall steel loads. 20 gauge wads can be found in both straight and tapered wads.

[@andyprairiedog]

Plenty of information, DR. I thought all this time that shotgun shells are shotgun shells.

[@DummyRound]

That's what I thought, but I guess there's some nuance involved. Not a lot, but enough to make you scratch your head got a second. Thanks👍🇺🇸👊

[@vincentalessi1307]

Tapered wads work with flake powders. It's ball powders or granular powders that cause powder migration with tapered wads.

[@DummyRound]

Thanks🇺🇸👍

[@SNIPERHIBUN]

what are the names of the ingredients.?

[@DummyRound]

You seat a wad over the powder inside the hull that has been sized and primed, then add your shot into the wad before crimping

[@SNIPERHIBUN]

@DummyRound what is the name of that little tail lighter.?

[@DummyRound]

I'm not sure what you're referring to

[@vicroc4]

Federal stopped making their 20-gauge wads available as components, though iirc they haven't discontinued them. OTOH there's an ass-ton of recipes from Lyman's Shotshell Reloading manual and in the 5th Edition Reloading for Shotgunners manual that use the WAA20 wad (or the Claybusters clone) or Remington SP20 or RXP20 wads in straight-wall cases. Most of these loads are either 7/8th Oz. field loads or 1 Oz. loads though. Reloading for Shotgunners also has data for the Gualandi wads that Ballistic Products has rebranded as their SG20 series. They show up in both straight-wall and taper cases so there's a lot of variety there.

[@DummyRound]

Thanks for the info. I'm going to try a little piece of paper or over powder card if I have to go with tapered hulls in a straight case, as others have mentioned. I just got the Lyman Shotshell reloading handbook, it's a great manual.

[@Billbobaker]

What happens if you mix them up and put a straight wad in a tapered hull? seems it would fire just fine.

[@DummyRound]

Some people have zero issues, some have ignition issues due to powder leaking and not sealing up properly and reaching the desired peak pressure. Sometimes called a "blooper". It might act like a blank and shot just roll out the barrel, or cause a potential squib, or any other sort of problem along those lines.

[@Billbobaker]

@@DummyRound but a straight wad in a tapered hull would be a very tight seal wouldn't it? Thanks for the reply.

[@DummyRound]

If you can seat it far enough you should be good, but a taper hull in straight wall will have more slop. You can use an overshot card or something similar to help seal the powder off before the wad, too.

[@Billbobaker]

@@DummyRound thanks. I'm pretty new at reloading shotshells.

[@DummyRound]

I've only been going for 2 weeks so I still have plenty to learn as well👍🇺🇸👊

[@danvinning8066]

There actually should be 3 classifications, used to be only straight and tapered, now however, there is winchester with their straight wall with taper insert. If you look close or even use a mic, you will find that the wall of all Winchester shells, even the AA the wall is straight from top to taper insert(which will allow some gas after the wad leaves the insert to leak by while wad is still in shell casing. Thanks Winchester for making cheap shells and selling them as a premium round.

[@paulsherrod1365]

It is the old AA formed tapered hull

[@DummyRound]

Newer HS AAs

[@ArcheryRuleZ]

looks like wads don't list what they type they are for right? you just measure the gas seal? a wad like .72 is for strait snd like .69 is for tapered? is that right?

[@DummyRound]

I think they're assuming you know what hulls you want to put the wads into, so they will just list "for Winchester Hulls" or "for European Hulls". It's slightly annoying if you are unsure of what types of hulls you have. I have to check each type because even Federal (which are usually straight) have a tapered HOA variety that are just like Remington/Winchesters. I haven't measured any of the bases, but that sounds close. You just wouldn't be able to measure them from the store shelf or online while shopping. Thanks!

[@jamespollard1670]

A Federal hull with a Federal wad was my favorite for a Lee slug . But Federal quit making the 12s4 . Claybuster makes a copy but not as well made .

[@DummyRound]

Awesome. I just got the 12s3 clone to play with. Haven't gotten to slugs, yet.

[@jamespollard1670]

@@DummyRound The slugs are fun , I think . There are so many ways to do them . fold crimp , roll crimp and my favorite an over fold crimp . I can send you some 1 oz Lee and some Russian slugs to try out if you like ? Or even some 00 buck ?

[@DummyRound]

Some slugs would be fun to play with. I just got done with my first batch of 00👍

[@azazelakira12]

The more you know

[@DummyRound]

Lots to learn for shot shells

[@yeayeasautoadventures]

federal hulls were junk since the 80's,maybe longer,avoid them if you can

[@jamespollard1670]

The new Federal hulls are one piece now .

[@viejo2a]

Coolness. I’m below rookie status with shotshell stuff. I have to leave it to you experience blokes to edumacate me. 😀🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸

[@DummyRound]

All these newer Federals seem pretty decent. Haven't ran into any of the paper wads, yet.

[@DummyRound]

I haven't see them paper ones, yet. These seem pretty sturdy, about like any of the others, really. Thanks.

[@DummyRound]

I'm learning as we go from the comments from all the veteran loaders

[@jeromesmith8816]

Put a napkin in them.

[@DummyRound]

I haven't had any migration when matching wads up properly, but heard it can help if swapping them around 👍🇺🇸