Remapping a customers TRI-TURBO BMW X5 M50d xDrive!

[@grindle1234]

got 3.0D E70 8 speed auto and I personally dont need any more power. Also getting 34 overall per gallon. Still love a go in a 50D

[@willb5590]

It needs to be in Sport+ to change at higher RPM. I have an X5 M50D, managed a 4.31s 0-62 out of it. Theyre beasts once tuned.

[@vikaashno7]

What did you changed

[@patryktokarz1488]

Nice mate did you map the engine and the gearbox? Also what company was it done by darkside?Thanks

[@Holdeenio]

Fantastic outcome. I’ve always been intrigued by this engine. I most commonly see the 30d and 40d. That 0-60 time is testament to what that torque can do!

[@alexthompson5172]

never seen the tri turbo engine make this much power with a tune good shit 👍

[@critical7915]

i just did stage 2 on my m550d and didnt remove the dpf yet before the inspection. i did turn off the egr and the tuner said the car will make black smoke when i put the downpipe. is that the smoke u said at 12:00

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Yeah, tuning can reduce the smoke significantly

[@chippyjohn1]

Would be nice to see the boost curve, egt and exhaust backpressure over the rpm range during the pull. Thinking of a N/B57 for a boat with just a single 7163 or 7670. Dont suppose you can fit big single turbo in the chassi of the X5. Thanks for the video.

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Not something we have done but probably would be possible to a single on them

[@chippyjohn1]

@@DarksideDevelopments Just learnt that OXE diesel outboards now use a bmw B57 and B47 for their engines. Twin turbo variant for the OXE300, so some future boat mods for you potentially. They are rated up to 4000-4250rpm for 220kw with the power dropping off after 3000rpm due to turbo system being restrictive I assume. A turbo upgrade would be good.

[@johnparrish9215]

I would love this engine in something that weighs half as much.

[@tjallaballa]

Look up ac schnitzer acz4 5.0d and acs1 5.0d ;)

[@ryansturgess9699]

A guy in South Africa put one of these engines in a 2 series and made it a track car

[@Bekkies17]

Look up the Grease Monkey Motor Garage M2 50d. Guys took the Tri turbo 3.0d from the X5 and sticked it into a 2 series. They recently did the Simola Hill climb with it

[@kovacspis]

@@tjallaballa wow, I had no idea these existed, thanks for the info!

[@user-xt5qb2yr6x]

@@ryansturgess9699 link to project?

[@C_R_O_M________]

I don’t know if this X5 has it but the V10 Touareg has a sequence with the key and throttle to reset the programming of the transmission and make it “learn” from scratch the driver’s preferred way of driving. Maybe that could fix the faster than optimal gear changes in Sport mode.

[@MrKal321]

What's the upper torque limit the gearbox can handle safely and reliably? Also what's the likely impact on turbo life running the 473bhp remap?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Nothing really outside safety parameters

[@jondaniels1067]

Gearbox torque limit is 750nm according to the stats so already at its limit as standard. I have one and toyed with the idea of mapping it but decided against it for that very reason.

[@MrKal321]

@@jondaniels1067 where did you find the data please?

[@jondaniels1067]

@@MrKal321 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZF_8HP_transmission and scroll down and it tells you what all the torque limits are for the different variants. F15 X5 runs a ZF8 75 hence the 750nm limit. If that link doesn’t work just go to Wikipedia and type in ZF 8HP Transmission.

[@johnconnor513]

There's a few people in my country who are in the 900nm range on that gearbox. It can and has been done. Wether you would want to do it depends on you.

[@lukeparker9548]

First thing I do on any turbo diesel I own get rid of any of that egr dpf rubbish. I've noticed too the triple turbo bmws are only in the big stuff. I would love to own a e420 cdi Mercedes but you can't get them here 😩

[@hungrysurfer9471]

How does this X5 compare with the Cayanne V8 4.2 diesel you tunned recently ? In terms of both engine comparison and handling / steering feel.

[@DarksideDevelopments]

BMW felt stiffer but not as fast in gear.

[@EAD_0]

The handling on the cayenne is far better than the X5. The cayenne defies physics at cornering ability. As for steering it’s pin sharp like the majority of Porsche products !

[@hungrysurfer9471]

@@EAD_0 does the steering have some weight to it ? Is there much feel of the road surface coming through ? I have owned lots of bmw and vw/skoda cars over the years. The Cayanne would be my first modern-day Porsche SUV. I was wondering how it felt to drive. I tried out the 3rd and 4th gen X5. No steering feel and its very light. Also very wide track for uk roads. I checked the Cayanne is almost 20cm less wide than the X5 but is still a big SUV tall and long. Where I live for 25 to 40k you can find a used X5 or a Cayanne from 2014 to 18 vintage.

[@aerotus888]

@@hungrysurfer9471 it's 2cm less wide! not 20!

[@bigmatt2896]

great video mate, have you mapped any range rover 4.4 sdv8? what are the gains on that?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

No RRs for us!

[@DarksideDevelopments]

We don't work on RRs, sorry!

[@x5erk]

i tuned my x5 m50d and reached 175mph before i ran out of road and that was with 6 people in the car.i love it

[@OG_ABZ]

Got yourself a new subscriber as I've been looking into everything in this video for my x5 M50D. What am I looking at cost for everything mentioned in this video and is it possible to have multiple maps on the car for example using the eco Pro mode have a more economical map for when the Mrs drives as she's happy with the stock power 😂 and then a fully aggressive map on sports plus? Thanks in advance.

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Drop us an email, we can sort you out!

[@gedas3419]

When I first time saw X5M50d at first, Į thought it is up-badged, like BMW 318 with M3 badge. Never thought they are real😂😂😂

[@critical7915]

i have n57d30s1 with the tripe turbo and i wonder if u will produce performance air intake because im in need of performance air intake and i didn't find any anywhere.

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Not something we're looking into at the moment

[@AgentBackdoor]

Had an x5 m50d that started getting transmission and drivetrain problems sold it within 2 weeks and purchased the x3 m40i ,,best decision I ever made regarding cars

[@noellear]

What year?

[@callumhollinger5416]

Have u remapped a m340d, and what were the power figures

[@DarksideDevelopments]

They do similar figures to the 35d's so should see between 365hp-390hp and up to 575lbs/ft

[@kovacspis]

How low were you able to go in AFR with this particular car to still remain smokeless? Low 18s?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

High rail pressure and good mixing of air!

[@brucelu9933]

Nice work, could you also give me the link for the cap to cover the hole on the Venturi after removal of egr cooler and the long pipe. thanks

[@DarksideDevelopments]

email us!

[@ElmerVr6t]

Man we need you here in germany...ive got a lot of friends with vag or bmw diesel with dpf problems. Probably we had not so many people they make diesel tuning

[@big_gooch1601]

Will removing the dpf and egr cause any issues in the long run or any warning lights on the dash, I’m not trying to bash you lads I’m genuinely curios

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Not if it's done properly!

[@MohammedAlyaus]

I have m50d with hybrid turbos EGR and DPF and swirl flap delete with full X5m exhaust system car makes over 500bhp .no warning lights and in all time i had it it killed one front driveshaft and i had a transfer box rebuild which is a common fault on these. apart from that immensely fast and staggering mid range acceleration and fairly decent economy

[@papast]

@Darkside Developments do you think that m50d is better than a vw tuareg 4.2 tdi mk2 ? About reliability power and maintenance

[@DarksideDevelopments]

The 4.2 is a well proven engine, the BMW might be a bit sportier.

[@papast]

@@DarksideDevelopments thank you for your answer

[@papast]

@@DarksideDevelopments also should I prefer rrs l494 for trip or bmw I know you are not working on rr but I want an option of you! Thank you again

[@SKOMPAS]

Nothing says modern car like having to remove the sub frame to take off a down-pipe, absolute madness cars are getting so ridiculously complicated at this rate electric is going to take over just because they are simple! New cars just aren’t serviceable anymore

[@charleslyall4911]

I got my 2013 50D remapped for £300 and got extra 45 bhp and lots more torque,thanks❤️🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿👍

[@joeheaney3641]

Did your mpg improve?

[@charleslyall4911]

@@joeheaney3641 yes slightly,thanks

[@davidthomas7424]

I'm still happy with my 06 330d the reason I bought it was i went out for a test drive in a 640d and had a quick race with v10 m6 and found we were level up at high speeds so did some research and found the engine in 640d was very similar to 330d so I jumped on one and when I seen x50d and it had 3 turbos just doesn't seem worth it £££ + nightmare to fix if goes wrong 🤑 m57 engine of choice everytime, do like f80 m3 but crank hub issues put me off and preventative maintenance is £3.000 + unless purchased with work already done !

[@vytautasminalga3905]

O6 reg or 2016? If 06 m57 engine is completely different to 640d engine n57.

[@seanthomas9590]

BMW needs to bring diesels back to the US

[@flippy9133]

DPF problems only after 50k miles, gotta love modern engines with all the emissions garbage

[@MrKal321]

Can you add a link to your website with the parts etc. I can't find it using the search function on the site

[@DarksideDevelopments]

They are in description?

[@MrKal321]

Doh! Cheers

[@christophermo13]

Hi guys. What is approximate price for this tuning these days?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Drop us an email to [e-mail] with reg/vin for a quote

[@GalskapRacing]

how did you disable fwd? xdelete or physical disconnection of frontaxle?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

We normally pull fuses

[@87dww8]

Did u take it out of comfort mode and into sport mode she doesnt seem to be revving right out

[@DarksideDevelopments]

I thought I had but you never know

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Yes it was in sport

[@MrZimmaframe]

What is the weakest part of the engine?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

not sure anything fails! I'd say turbo's and EGR's

[@cameroncornish3947]

Might be a really stupid question but how aren’t the front wheels running when on the dyno? I thought they are 4wd?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

It's a clutched system so you would burn it out if you ran in our Dyno without it being disconnected.

[@honestmcgyver]

Sorry for a stupid question but..I’ve a 2020 x5 30d. What’s situation with MKT and dpf and ad blu delete? I’d be interested in having what youve done being done to my x5 30d 2020 but am a bit boring re regs and mot etc

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Drop us an email to [e-mail] with reg/vin and we'll be able to help you out from there

[@mrnihad170]

It's amazing, but from my perspective I preffer seeing some real results like 0-160 mph

[@markfarrier1711]

I have a 2014 f15 x5 just single turbo 3.0d i bet you guys could make some god power out of it

[@DarksideDevelopments]

We're sure we could too. Drop us an email with the full reg please - [e-mail]

[@eagleeye9148]

@@DarksideDevelopments I am also interested in tuning my M50D but I am based in Australia what are the options from your side ?

[@lucianorichardson8113]

What’s the best you’ve had from a 40D? If mods are necessary what were they ?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Email us, 380hp usually with stock turbo's

[@AmirHussain-oe8zz]

​@@DarksideDevelopments I got a 435d will be coming to see you soon.

[@alpaysherif6416]

The torque is a little bit low for a diesel?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

150ft/lbs over standard just on a remap. Just over 960nm of torque isn't bad

[@DiamondBackProject]

What was the total price for all this work on the X5?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Please email us with your vehicle reg. Thanks. [e-mail]

[@thetruthz13]

"dun'tang abart" 😂 Love a bit of Barnsley

[@Durace11Bunny]

You need to do a G30/31 530d Xdrive on your channel.

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Same as the 4 series!

[@MrAndy9188]

Great content as usual guys. Do you mind me asking what the song is whilst the car is on the dyno?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Time to spare - An Jone

[@MrAndy9188]

@@DarksideDevelopments Thanks

[@Ferg2jz]

Is it the same box as the other 30d/35d's? If so how does it cope with the torque? Looking to sort my 535d with a map and whatnot but concerned for the box?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

They are different in these but you won't break any even with heavy tuning!

[@DarksideDevelopments]

This particular model comes with the ZF8 transmission (GA8HP75Z) - We have had no issues with this level of torque. All of the ZF8's we tested had no issues with high amounts of torque.

[@warrengeew]

I know the old ZF could take 1000nm

[@MrKal321]

I've done a little research and Wikipedia indicates the 8HP75 version of the ZF 8 speed is rated at 553lbft and the X5M50D produces 546lbft, so only just inside. (references below). I'd be up for tuning my car but would feel concerned about wrecking the gearbox. @Darkside - do you do any warranty packages? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZF_8HP_transmission

[@jurgenneza5741]

I have a audi a8 2008 4.2 tdi how muth is the highest hp i can take form her max?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Depending on budget! 500hp not difficult!

[@jamesskeet3844]

What would be the most you can get out of a 2009 V6 tdi vw touareg done 125000 thanks

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Drop us an email - [e-mail]

[@nickarcher4775]

How is it running only rwd on the Dyno?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

We usually unplug the transfer case on xdrive models for the dyno

[@nickarcher4775]

@@DarksideDevelopments thanks for replying! I just assumed this would mess up something with the front wheel speed sensors not registering anything, obviously not, or does it need some sort of fettling?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Po I'll the right fuses and it runs better

[@nickarcher4775]

@@DarksideDevelopments thanks again and happy New year, keep up the great work!

[@karlgreen5399]

How do you find m50d torque wise compared to Touareg v10

[@DarksideDevelopments]

This has a much better gearbox than the Touareg, the V10 engine has a lot of low end torque but is certainly not as fast as the X50d. The Touareg would fair better off-road though!

[@karlgreen5399]

Like to get my v10 over to you and dyno it

[@juwairiyahbegum5048]

i have a x5 m50d 67 plate it has just over 100k on the clock would it be risky to make it 500hp 1000nm? i also heard the gearbox torque limit is around 700

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Not if it's done correctly. We have plenty of these gearboxes running~ 1000nm trouble free

[@juwairiyahbegum5048]

and how much would it cost to do it?

[@juwairiyahbegum5048]

?

[@wass006]

How did you rate the drive on X5?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

they are decent!

[@sasha_vts2044]

Would be possible to adapt those turbos to a PD engine? 😅

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Highly unlikely!

[@addj7093]

Imagine having to replace 3 or 4 turbos when they go wrong! 💰

[@BigGroupHug]

Is there a way to measure turbine speed? To know when you're turbo is spinning past 100% of the specs set in the documentation.

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Not sure these have a sensor but a lot of new cars do. No one has documentation so it's almost irrelevant.

[@Robert86314]

@@DarksideDevelopments they do have the PID sensor to datalog turbine speed. After a remap on my F15 M50D running about 3.3bars, I see roughly 147,000rpms at full boost.

[@khuzram]

What max power can you get from a passat 2.0 tdi 170 dsg

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Depending on budget, 300+

[@detailingshorts885]

@@DarksideDevelopments how much would that cost??

[@louisfowler2789]

Undecided on one of these or a sq5 have you upgraded a sq5?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

We have done a few but you wouldn't see these sort of figures without upgrading the turbos and fuel system. Still very nice cars though!

[@TRAConsultants]

Love the videos but really difficult to hear you in the car ....better microphone setup?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Old video, new are better!

[@robertmario2003]

Any black smoke?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Nope

[@789ghost342ghost]

Can you put a manual transmission on one of these

[@DarksideDevelopments]

I'm sure you could!

[@SherKing786]

Looking to get a 435D xdrive remapped with 65k on clock, thoughts? worth it?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

It will make a huge difference!

[@SherKing786]

@@DarksideDevelopments will it cause any further problems down the line?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

unlikely!

[@peetee2028]

Good job guys. Do we know what the quarter mile time on this car is? Interested

[@DarksideDevelopments]

The customer did not take it to the strip so we can't say for sure, but a massive improvement on stock either way!

[@tibad7415]

Engine 2,0, TDi 16V170ch BMN dsg fap Turbo Garrett 17/49vb par quel modèle et ref turbo darkside plus performant pour remplacer sans modification stp merci

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Email us, we have a couple of options.

[@Danny-yh3xb]

Xdrive! With X delete i gues? Front wheels don’t seem te be turning on the dyno 😜

[@trupersonnel9293]

I was also wondering about it myself 🤷 obviously there must be simple way to disengage the front by software, I doubt they would be physically unplugging from the transfer case the front diff...?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

2 fuses for Dyno!

[@TheRealAnthony_real]

Just wondering if the readings from the Dyno are accurate due to measuring only the rear ... I think the load is different when the X is enabled ..

[@DarksideDevelopments]

unless you have linked rollers you will burn the coupling out.

[@Lassitude1001]

11:08 - woah woah woah, what was that?!

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Mini

[@PATRYK-R1]

Mr. Bean

[@Lassitude1001]

@@DarksideDevelopments Haha, I didn't even see that, I meant the indicating in a BMW! ;)

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Lol!

[@kyriakosh]

Hello there! Are you using the start roller function from the BMW secret menu? Also what gear are you using on the Dyno 4th or 5th? Any recommended settings such as Sport+ or any other settings specifically for Dyno run?? Thanks

[@DarksideDevelopments]

We use 5th gear, pull some fuses and sport Gearbox. They make the same power in every mode. The Dyno mode thing never really works!

[@andymalone2179]

Is the Audi 2.7tdi good for tuning?

[@SSC0815]

Tuned mine to 360hp, 650nm. Stock car in B7 and B8 can make 260hp if custom tuned.

[@Vteccer666]

not really better with the 3 litre engine as 236 stock 300 on stg 1 map dpf egr and swirl flap delete and remap upto 340 on the stock turbo

[@DarksideDevelopments]

340 stock turbo is dreaming. 2.7 is OK, just usually crap gearbox

[@SSC0815]

310- 320 is possible before 2260vk is out of air. Multitronic is crap but they also come with manual.

[@andymalone2179]

Thanks all its just my work horse has actually been so reliable engine wise , but yes I have heard stories about gearbox problems as friend had one. But had just been wondering if it was worth tuning, as seems a lazy spooling turbo.

[@markdouglas2035]

Am I right in saying 1 oil feed to all 3, that blocks up.....

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Possibly! It's not often an oil feed blocks on these new cars

[@MrZimmaframe]

A friend of mine just bought a 15 or 16 reg one of these lol and it shifts pretty well for a nearly 2.5 ton vehicle loaded.. Lol

[@DarksideDevelopments]

2.3t but yeah, they fly!

[@MrZimmaframe]

@@DarksideDevelopments lol ye then add 2-3 people. Solid engine for tuning by the looks of it.

[@MrCukydoh]

N57S is god.

[@ProMilkshake]

Reyt then

[@andyhunt457]

Why did the speedo shot go off at 70mph.....did it break 😉😂😂😂

[@mazza7282]

That did make me laugh aswell 🤣

[@ukvette]

Top speed only 71 😂😂😂😂

[@czekhoongtan7857]

Isn’t it a quad-turbo I6 Diesel?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

The newer ones are quad turbo, these have 3

[@kyester123]

Mad stuff

[@richardsedorski1206]

Brill vid very interesting great stuff.👍👍👍

[@jackmillin]

Modern diesels are mega complicated now, I would own one new and under warranty but I'd be scared to death of owning a car like that once it's a few years old. I wonder if petrols are less of a potential money pit.

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Petrols are worse!

[@jackmillin]

@@DarksideDevelopments 😂 oh dear that's not good!

[@86andyw]

What’s the hp at the wheels?

[@Mac_F87]

You don’t measure brake horse power at the wheels mate, that’s a measure of power at the crank. It’s just wheel horse power.

[@86andyw]

@@Mac_F87 edited. But you know what I meant.🙄

[@DarksideDevelopments]

It's irrelevant really

[@86andyw]

@@DarksideDevelopments id ball park and say -20% from flywheel.

[@DarksideDevelopments]

more like 15.

[@Beatsmith2005]

Right then.. how can there by no smoke on full throttle with no DPF?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Good tuning

[@willb5590]

No DPF doesnt mean itll smoke...

[@rjnation5042]

We don't get the big diesal BMW's out here, but is it a V8, sounds incredibly complex with 3 turbo's, but seems to go like hell after the upgrades you did, Rj in Oz

[@BkSMedia]

Nah they're straight 6's. It's the N57 engine, which replaced the M57 motor found in late 90s-early 00s BMWs.

[@DarksideDevelopments]

These are still straight 6

[@beenzer1109]

Holy fcuk... That torque!

[@GarryMcGovern]

This engine in a 5 series estate.......... all the car you could ever need.

[@DarksideDevelopments]

LHD only!

[@mcplutt]

You will almost be in Tesla territory then 🙂

[@deathdealer7732]

0-100 100-200 1/4? can i know

[@DarksideDevelopments]

we didn't log anything more.

[@willb5590]

I have a tuned X5 M50D, Ive managed a 12.3 1/4 mile and 4.31s to 100kph. Not done a 100-200.

[@deathdealer7732]

@@willb5590 Which stg.

[@willb5590]

@@deathdealer7732 Stage 2, downpipe and emissions deletes.

[@deathdealer7732]

@@willb5590 Do you ig ?

[@benhowarth5111]

Do you do MOT’s too?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

We don't do MOTs

[@jonty4664]

Amazing ☕️👍🏻

[@tonyd223]

Well, my 40d is stock, but at least it's clean! 🤣

[@stuartmathewson1249]

Buddy too funny lol....Best bit customer on his way cars disgusting not sitting in it to do the video 🤣🤣👍

[@umarmahmood4511]

50d swap coming soon🤔

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Too complicated

[@ThatCampingLad]

4 Turbos lmao what? How have i not heard of this, this sounds like an expensive car to own if high mileage?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Not particularly mileage related but expensive if the turbos fails!

[@imfuctifino]

@@DarksideDevelopments this is why the one we've just bought is gonna have to stay std. Bmw are bastards for squirming out of warranty claims with their new updated bmw hive mind software that detects all manor of interfering . Sucks but if you're covered and it chews a swirl flap, it's on them

[@mazza7282]

DPF…gone, EGR….gone, EGR cooler … gone, swirl flaps…gone. And the latest contender….Adblue…gone 👍. All these emmision related components which always cause us customers a world of hurt ☹️.

[@DT11acs]

You can always trust a northerner to insult a paying customer.......😂😂😂

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Truth bomb

[@SmartfoolGB]

11:30 listen to you mugging off the customers car. Wear gloves next time.

[@DarksideDevelopments]

It wasn't that bad, but it wasn't good. I told the customer I'd say it. Chill your beans

[@SmartfoolGB]

@@DarksideDevelopments I hope so, you mentioned it a few times. Anyway beans chilled. Do a collab with a car valet and get the car cleaned before it goes back to the customer....clean car for the customer promo for the business and no need for gloves for you. 💪🏼💪🏼

[@DarksideDevelopments]

It was full of stuff, not just filthy!

[@jimmymcgoo8641]

Your name says it all. You complete and utter ****

[@cwuzii]

Original air filter, filthy engine bay and an air freshener from a £5 Romanian car wash 🤣

[@Northernerdownsouth]

Would a meth kit make a large difference on this engine?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

We haven't tested it, but possibly!

[@mcplutt]

Then there is the danger of hydro lock.

[@Northernerdownsouth]

@@mcplutt what 😂

[@mcplutt]

@@Northernerdownsouth Not healthy for the engine. Bent rods you know.

[@Y24JAW]

👍🏼🚙