REMATCH: Legendary Godzilla vs Shin Godzilla's 5th and 6th forms || In-Depth Battle Analysis

[@GojiCenter]

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[@Axluratt]

@GALLIMIMUS-THE-KING "rain" lol

[@jaydenscott1451]

@@Axluratt You guys really should do something with muto prime

[@tylerfoster8872]

Hey, I've got an Idea, (theoretical shin 5-6 Vs earth Godzilla

[@slushy4289]

I already have raid, but I’ll buy your sweet merch. How does that sound?

[@mariadavilaparedes3941]

Great video love your chanel.

[@Mechadeuce]

I like how the more you evolved Shin to counter Legendary, the more he looked like Destroyah. Which was one of the few kaiju that could beat OG Godzilla.

[@mr_kanye_east]

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[@ExodusCore]

Yes, but the video is based on two premises that don't are false. One is that Shin can actually evolve into such exact things (which there is no proof of) and the other lie is that Legendary simply walk away and wouldn't have noticed Shin's healing factor.

[@jetstreamsam2945]

@@ExodusCore it's a hypothetical situation lil bro it's not a real situation that would happen the point of the video is what if goji didn't realise shins regeneration ability and just walked away after beating him and shin can evolve to adapt like when he evolved to shoot lasers from his spikes to destroy the planes that were hurting him and if shin wasn't frozen at the last second he was evolving into the very things that were beating him humanoid creatures so your comment is incorrect and doesn't make much sense

[@40mihirkulkarni44]

​​@@ExodusCoreabout the first point, the director and the novels stated that Shin's evolution was unrestricted and he could even evolve to eventually become a literal universe, which is waaay beyond what Legendary Godzilla can handle. And the fact that he could evolve to counter abstract concepts like humanity itself is proof that Shin's evolutiom is OP

[@letendreelliott8778]

@@40mihirkulkarni44that was never said anywhere. It’s a hoax. It’s adaptations are very limited to what you’d expect of evolutionary pathways. When he’s struck with bunker busters, instead of becoming immune to it, which would be completely impossible, it adapts to take out the predators, which is a very common evolutionary path. So no, Shin cannot adapt to anything and everything and cannot "become a universe"

[@Galimeer5]

Concept art for Shin Gojira showed that a possible 6th form would have a fully functional nuclear reactor inside its body, so energy depletion would be nonexistent. Either way, never underestimate the value of adaptability. The scariest monsters in all fiction and fantasy are the ones that can't be killed the same way twice.

[@husk6667]

true, shit like SCP-682 just terrifies me

[@lubu682]

@@husk6667 when you get a reality warper to kill something *but it starts warping reality better*

[@jaesjmes5498]

…I feel like everyone forgets doomsday has this ability lol

[@lubu682]

@@jaesjmes5498 if you mean death of superman doomsday he absolutely sucked at using it

[@Sionic52]

Same

[@SRC267]

Imagine how massive the wings would need to be to lift all that mass. Shin is too powerful

[@Waffle8205]

@@t.rchuah9868 He could flee, evolve, then whoop earth's ass.

[@oeshadow5671]

@@t.rchuah9868 shins tail is somehow bigger

[@Kyletheanimator]

@@t.rchuah9868 earth weighs less than legendary and shin i think

[@GlopPlopJop]

@@Kyletheanimator Nope but legendary is heavier

[@Cyni-]

@@Kyletheanimator from what i saw. Shin weighs 92,000 metric tons and earth godzilla weighs 100,000 metric tons

[@bottomtext593]

Legendary Godzilla: Stand proud Shin. You are strong. Shin Godzilla: Nah i'd adapt.

[@rpgman1238]

Shin is literally mahoraga

[@Duolingo707]

​@@rpgman1238mahoraga on multiple steroids

[@Genshin_7708]

With this treasure I summon the hellish creature shin Godzilla​@@rpgman1238

[@Gw3mmy]

Nah i'd evolve

[@titanusgodzillaa4274]

Too bad that evolution won’t happen lol

[@ArtoriasB]

Shins constant adapting and mutating is truly what makes him so terrifying compared to previous Godzillas

[@nopemanpsycho]

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[@nopemanpsycho]

@why exist Ong

[@neutralball1099]

@why exist The only problem is time. So, hypothetically, Shin could evolve to the point of being able to solo the entire Monsterverse as long as he has enough time to evolve and mutate.

[@beaurohrich2926]

What makes him not scary is that he’s not real

[@nopemanpsycho]

@@beaurohrich2926 it’s the fact that bro can evolve quickly to counter you unless you kill him/annihilate him completely you’re not winning

[@eashpandey4625]

Shin be like : "What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger"

[@ventexovakon2178]

"Your time for revenge..is at hand. Voila. The evolution."

[@yamligma]

Perfect description

[@captlegendary]

Shin: "I have no strings, so I have fun... I am not tied up to anyone ...."

[@laughingoctopus6550]

Shin be like "what doesn't kill you....will make you wish it had"

[@basantprasadsgarden8365]

Shin Godzilla: KIll me in one go, or I am going to strike you back a Thousand times harder

[@xeonxion]

The concept art of Shins form where he's just assimilating everything around him into his body is absolutely horrifying. He goes full lovecraft

[@antpope6222]

link?

[@xeonxion]

@@antpope6222 The one I'm referring to is where there's only his head with several eyes. But this concept of him multiplying through cell division is pretty up there. You can even see one illustration of him having several shin heads on his body

[@voidpasklfd1]

shins not comparable to lovecraft

[@celianascimento2092]

I watched a vid that says that shin godzilla become so powerful that he morphed into azathoth

[@voidpasklfd1]

@@celianascimento2092 whoever did that vid wasnt thinking properly, they are in 2 different franchises, and shin god is universal at most

[@danialwilliams2390]

The issue with Shin's regeneration and adaptation is that if Shin existed in the monster verse it would likely encounter other kaiju in between battles with legendary. Thus could either cause Shin to develop in unforseen ways possibly undoing its adaptation's to conquer legendary. And if legendary was able to kill Shin during an energy depletion cycle then wouldn't that hinder both it's regeneration and adaptation, giving Legendary enough time to retreat and heal its wounds? I know I'm late with the input but I really enjoy this type of speculation and you do it really well

[@the-red-gaze]

What I think would happen is that-while fighting other kaijus would maybe in some way undo it’s previous adaptations-shin would either override that evolution with something different that’s equal or better than the previous one, or just upgrade the original one. Shin still has to go off of some sort of base structure since it’s evolving. Also the beam doesn’t deplete, shin just simply overheats and has to stop using it to cool down. Because of how rushed its evolution was, the beam part didn’t evolve correctly, causing shin’s core to lose effectiveness and overheat. I’m pretty sure that you can see shin evolve a cooling system of some sorts or fix its core in the movie, since it uses its beam for longer periods of time or uses multiple beams, although I haven’t watched the movie in a while so I can’t confirm that.

[@BlackghostLT]

I'll leave my 2 cents since I finally watched Shin recently and have been checking out a bunch of info on it, don't know anything about legendary though so I'll leave that for you to consider. Shin's evolutions seemed to remain intact, kind of like a building block. Its ability to locomote on land, developing better skin for dealing with new threats (either the missile strikes or the introduction of undiluted UV rays, the Shin version has a lot of realistic approaches to it), finally gaining its atomic breath to deal with the bombers, it seems to keep these attributes as to continues to adapt. It evolves in every way to deal with new threats, both covering weakness and making new strengths to face threats, all the while maximizing its efficiency. That said, by your hypothetical it would perfectly be possible that Legendary would face a Shin with the experience of Legendary and all of its rivals at once. Additionally, if Legendary does retreat without fully killing Shin, that's a massive opening for Shin to reform itself to something suited to overcome Legendary, the best chance for Legendary would be a one-shot. Also, there is some supplementary material of what was planned for Shin to evolve into, one major part of these new forms was it shedding a lot of its weakness, like pain, emotion, and perfecting its power source. If shin finds its energy usage a problem, it can very well rapidly adapt its energy efficiency beyond the need for a massive cooldown, taking away that opening for Legendary. Shin's adaptability is scary because of how quick it can happen, and the fact that it theoretically doesn't have a ceiling. Shin's scrapped evolutions would have straight up send it to divine levels of power eventually, meaning even letting Shin live even a day could give it a massive edge. Legendary would be fighting against the clock, a force of nature battling against an infant god, or at the very least would have a reoccurring foe to deal with that got better every time. One could also wonder if Shin would evolve the way it did in the film, it could take an entirely different path in a world with other Kaiju as competition, something far faster and efficient for its environment. There's also a scrapped ending where Shin fully reforms itself from fallen skin left from the missile strikes, meaning unless it was killed at a cellular level Shin would simply return eventually, most likely adapted in equal measure. But that's just a theory ツ enjoy my little youtube novel, hopefully my inexperience with the Legendary films hasn't left any holes in my thesis

[@ulrikebeckmann4986]

Thats true but if shin loses eniugh fights he doesnt even need to counter legendary cause with every evoloution he also gets stronger in General

[@neuronoc.7343]

Or insanely, Shin goes full Akira and starts absorbing the hollow Earth's crystals as a pure biomass. If legendary godzilla finds him, he'll REALLY need to ensure that Shin Godzilla starves out, or is extinguished down to the cellular level.

[@mukulnspcl]

Shin's biology won't let it happen, till shin is sure any threat of like that doesn't remain, it won't devolve those capabilities, only ways to override this is by introducing a greater threat to shin than legendary in the picture, which means maybe, legendary again stands very less chance

[@Chili_Taker]

I'm still waiting for the day they'll make a face-off breakdown analysis between all Godzilla incarnation to see who's the real King of the Monsters.

[@suchomimustenerensis]

Godzilla Rage Across Time or Godzilla in Hell would win

[@Almustair]

Godzilla Earth easily xD

[@suchomimustenerensis]

@@Almustair earth gets stomped by most godzillas

[@deadfulthecroc2686]

Godzilla would clearly win

[@Almustair]

@@suchomimustenerensis I doubt that, Earth had more than 10 000 years to evolve. Moreover even nature on Earth started to evolve to be like him

[@leightonkekuewa1545]

I feel like Shin isn’t something you can compare, because we literally just don’t entirely know its capabilities. Like Shin could turn into anything, and no one can say for sure what it could be.

[@tristanemery8748]

Yeah, and with the seeming favouritism in the comparison, it's very easy for them to make it seem as though legendary Goji wouldn't be able to win because of course shin godzilla is a bazillion times stronger than legendary, and he can evolve to combat him, neglecting to point out the fact that legendary Goji is incredibly intelligent, and would definitely be able to detect if Shin was still alive.

[@samuelgomez9799]

Carzilla

[@alvaguila]

​@@tristanemery8748 Yeah, because Godzilla didn't let some monster part intact so it would become the main antagonist of a sequel!

[@panduallen6712]

@@alvaguila the ghidorah on boston was fully gone tho. the one jonah bought was from isla de mara, the one goji ripped. surely you can't blame the g man for not making sure it's gone then, when he literally dying and need to heal asap bc the humans just NEED to HELP

[@alvaguila]

​@@panduallen6712 That doesn't contradict anything I said (ironically).

[@ianfarnsworth564]

I think a battle between Legendary and Shin it would be the most appropriate time for Legendary to actually utilize the other Titans he rules over in combat. They could provide adequate distraction to Shin while Legendary just kept unloading his atomic blast on Shin until he is finally totally disintegrated.

[@heresthemilkyourdaddidntco3154]

Your right but shin can evolve unto something that can be literally immune to G man atomic breath

[@Alladatrauma]

Wait but if shin gets outnumbered couldn't he just evolve into something like the 5th form but superior so he has extremely large minions to deal with the rest?

[@the2ndbyzantiumempire387]

Yeah but, it will take alot of time for the kaiju's to get there and it's unlikely that Godzilla would use them for battle.

[@pintobean6702]

@@heresthemilkyourdaddidntco3154 it takes time for shin to evolve he won't instantly evolve to counter something

[@ItsButterBean1020]

@@pintobean6702 this If Goji can hit the offensive and jump Him with backup he could take Shin out

[@deathbyaspork]

Fun fact, shins energy doesn’t deplete as it fuels itself with an unknown nuclear isotope. The problem with 4th form shin Godzilla is that it hasn’t fully adapted to what is basically a nuclear reactor inside its body and can’t handle the heat that is produced but the reactor inside its body. So assuming that it has already started adapting to that problem I believe that 5th form shin would either have no heat problem or would have an effective way to cool off much faster than its previous form.

[@aarish8127]

Well, yes , but another huge possibility could be that legendary uses same atomic energy signatures and evolves himself , increase height and develops thermonuclear atomic breath which could be more like a small sun blast , or flare which eradicates the unknown cells in shin godzilla destroying him , we still don't know what both are capable of but legendary can still be more evolved and stronger , energized dorsal fins or bigger flexible arms can edge shin

[@ThePartisan13]

So basically they created a giant monster that can adapt to anything, doesn't get tired because of some mystical nuclear energy source and can't be killed? Maybe it's because I'm not Japanese but how is this considered good writing?

[@myself1423]

@@ThePartisan13 because despite being a Godzilla movie, Godzilla isn’t the focal point of the movie. The movie was a message on the slowness of Japanese bureaucracy and how sometimes there are meetings for having meetings and how in a time of sudden crisis that isn’t a good thing.

[@DamontheDemon7]

@@ThePartisan13 Because Godzilla isn’t the focus of the film. The main topic is the arrogance and hubris of man. Specifically their abuse of nuclear energy. The same energy that gave birth to Godzilla in the first place. Not just Shin, but all the Godzillas. Plus, some deleted scenes and/or writing from the Shin film reveal that a particular scientist (who’s name escapes me for the moment) made have been directly or indirectly responsible for Shin running loose in Tokyo due to the people up top not taking his warnings of abusing nuclear energy seriously.

[@Drip_Wooper]

@@ThePartisan13 people already answered better than I ever could, but, in a nutshell: An overpowered character only ruins a movie if its the protagonist, Shin Godzilla, despite being in the title, is not at all the main character. He's the main conflict and the victim. Its a kaiju movie not about kaijus, but about human behaviour and stuff, so it works

[@ultranecrozma7449]

Remember, its not just the main body Legendary has to burn. He also has to burn every scrap of flesh, every splash of blood, every piece of DNA (as seen in the concept art)

[@karanaher5030]

Godzilla's AB is capable of celular destruction, meaning if Godzilla keeps launching long enough, yes, Godzilla does destroy Shin's vey existence.

[@ochyt328]

Legendary g may get Energy depletion tho still he HAS to fully kill shin

[@noobnub2584]

lol u right about that lol legendary godzilla has to destroy everything, even just a splash of blood can turn into another shin godzilla

[@anidiot4992]

@bp_1341 you doubt that concentrated atomic energy can destroy cells? that's tough dude.

[@anidiot4992]

@bp_1341 who said anything about that?

[@djweebo]

Was really cool how they actually went out of their way to design Shin's 5th and 6th forms

[@PNWAffliction]

yeah they had to have been planning two movies simultaneously, or at least a huge 2-parter. and Shin did really well, so I wonder why . :(

[@johnP0908]

@@PNWAffliction Probably because of the political commentary attached to it. it was a political satire on how the Japanese government handled the Fukushima nuclear disaster that happened on 2011. IMO, I liked the one off movie, they could expand Shin Godzilla in a manga or a novel instead, then probably make a movie based off on that manga.

[@uctran3820]

@@PNWAffliction because they feared that shin evolve forms would be too powerful for anything on earth to handle

[@FranciscoAntoniodeSouzaFilho]

​@@uctran3820who is G-man ?

[@benthrash]

I think it's a major miss not to discuss Hideaki Anno's original plan for Shin Godzilla. The phase after what we saw in the movie literally flies, the phase after that develops space travel abilities, and it basically evolves into an universe-consuming god by its final form.

[@Herpusderpus]

Eventually it evolves into an entire hive fleet and the Tyranids origin is finally explained lmao

[@TheImoKun]

@@Herpusderpus W warhammer enjoyer

[@Wariumnichti1]

1-8 forms kzbin.info/www/bejne/eqHKYohmfb-pd9U

[@marzoo5214]

What the hell? He turns into azathoth?

[@cristopher9094]

@@marzoo5214 basically, shin godzilla evolves infinitely, he would adapt size and other things, at a point it will be a type of azathoth

[@Scotty-Doo626]

I’d love a third part to this series featuring Legendary Godzilla’s evolved form from GxK.

[@Bigcevap1]

As cool it would be legendary would be destroyed as its mot evolution its just a power up

[@alexander-v5s9i]

@@Bigcevap1 It is confirmed to be a incomplete evolution not a regular power up.

[@Bigcevap1]

@@alexander-v5s9i ah ok

[@colbymaduray4820]

but remember g mans purple form and evolved body, with gmans new evolution he could be the same hieghta nd fight ( surpass) these new forms of shin

[@YourMid740]

You didn’t have to do this as I was satisfied with the first video… and yet you did an alternate version with a new form for Shin. Massive respect

[@ourlordandsaviorsquirtle3278]

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[@peace6583]

Bet you were satisfied just because legendary won

[@YourMid740]

@@peace6583 I was actually for the exact opposite. Because Goji Center gave Shin what others either failed to do or denied altogether, the justice he deserved. Goji Center said Legendary has everything he needs to defeat Shin but doesn’t really have much to destroy all of his cells, or because of that he can evolve to an alternate fifth form, one that can counter Legendary’s arsenal and possibly the whole Monsterverse as well. I’ve seen so many people downplay Shin saying *Oh he got hurt by bunker busters* or *Oh he’s slow* when literally a few changes to the genome (that Shin is capable of) can fix those problems. I’m just happy Goji Center gave Shin the respect he deserves after getting brutally downplayed by everyone.

[@peace6583]

I thought you were a stan

[@YourMid740]

@@peace6583 I’m more of a Shin Stan. And honestly, stans and fanboys ruin a character very quickly. I mean the MV fandom is fine unless you’re talking about the powerscaling part of the MV fandom, there will find tons of kids saying random things to make Legendary stronger than he while he is actually the fourth weakest Godzilla.

[@twistedhazards]

One thing I see underrated regularly in regards to Shin's evolutionary power, is that he doesn't stay at animal level intelligence as seen by the fact that not only is he aware that these metal flying things and weird metal shelled things that shoot stuff at him are piloted by SMALLER things(humans) but even comprehends that it is the sheer amount of numbers and cooperation between these numerous smaller organisms that continue to oppose and stop him. This shows Shin has intelligence to some degree and absolutely gets smarter as well as larger and more adapted with every evolution. It would be interesting as well to see how Legendary would fare against the likely thousands of humanoid Shin as well since its likely they would have atomic weaponry of some degree be that energy infused primitive weapons similar to Kong's axe or perhaps just a weaker version of the existing atomic laser scaled down though this would be PURE speculation at that point since we know nothing besides how the humanoid shin would look like and the lore that they would replace the entire ecosystem with Shin equivalent organisms. I do absolutely agree that after the 5th form Legendary godzilla would incinerate Shin entirely but not because he knows that every little piece will regenerate rather just out of spite, I mean we see Legendary do things for arrogant humor and pride when fighting against Kong, and indignant but spiteful attacks against Ghidorah while in his hyper-nuclear state lest we forget his habit of blowing nuclear flames directly into the mouth of the Muto or holding a severed but still living ghidorah head and shooting nuclear flames out of it like a child with a straw shooting paper balls.

[@sayansaha155]

I see 3 ways the battle could end. 1) Shin godzilla comes back, as 2 Shins. Godzilla realises that he has to burn all of Shin, but that's kinda impossible. During battle Shin and Legendary will have massive showdown and Shun will lose some of his skin or cells. Those small cells won't be noticed by Godzilla and then can individually become Shin godzillas. 2) Shin Godzilla will become develop melee weapons, and increase his energy reservoirs. People make this weird claim that since Shin evolves to Match legendary speed Shin will lose his atomic breath. That's baseless and impossible, cause in the movie every time Shin evolved he got stronger and his energy reserves got bigger. I think Shin will find a way to generate energy within himself. 3) Shin Godzilla will become more intelligent than legendary. It will fight a two sided battle. Develop better body and outsmart Legendary. Sure Legendary has millions of years of battle experience, but he has never faced a creature that is similar to him and us specially designed to fight him. Shin's emp pulse will be stronger than a Muto. And for those who say Shin is just a dumb reactive animal, that's wrong. Shin Godzilla original 5th form was supposed to be human like. That's because Shin realised his enemies are humans. If shin was dumb and only reacted to the weapons he faced, then he would try to counteract the biological coagulation agent that froze him, which he will. But the fact that Shin chose to evolve into humans proves that Shin is intelligent.

[@brushido4641]

I'd like to say I just assumed that Shin isn't intelligent itself, rather the evolutionary process it goes through has some level of sentience. I doubt it's in control of its evolution rather its body is responding to its environment on a large scale. Like a super hyped up immune system. And since it's the body and not the brain it takes Shin a while to get used to evolutions. Like the Atomic Breath for example. It took him a while to build it up all the while looking like it was puking it out and in pain. And probably couldn't shut it off right away when it was done with the immediate threat and so accidentally set Tokyo ablaze.

[@levontherealoneistg]

real. legendary godzilla doesnt exactly have a form we even know exists, shin would win. mothra cant just exist and make godzilla go all thermo and win. shin can evolve and actually manage while legendary will just wait untill the cringy fans start rolling in and make unaccurate battles that always have a catch so legendary wins.

[@kylecollier7569]

@@levontherealoneistg Yeah it's fine if other Godzillas can lose, but apparently if Monsterverse loses it's something to cry about. Bear in mind, I don't have a favorite Godzilla. I repeat I don't have a favorite Godzilla to pick sides, it's just common sense and opinion which apparently no one cares about. That I've experienced anyway...

[@Succubus_L0li]

Difference is the people under appreciating Shin's intelligence equates LGodzilla's EQ for being smarter at fighting in general, to put simply being able to express human emotions=smarter in VS battles. When Shin only lacks common sense, doesn't necessarily means he is not intelligent Shin I would say is like a serial killer in horror movies where while they aren't sane they aren't stupid either. Shin is good at exterminating hence why he doesn't dodge or move out of the way fast enough unless the situation calls for him to have to able to do that kinda like how Jason from Friday the thirteen don't dodge or block attacks from the people he assault because he don't care.

[@TheIdealofGreed]

I feel like something Shin would've developed against Legendary is Radiation Absorption. It apparently started with eating nuclear waste, and I think I remember things in the older movies about Godzilla feeding on radiation, so I imagine Shin gaining/pumping up that ability to neutralize LGs breath before it would develop electromagnetism. Would probably even allow a way for LG to survive for round 6 if Shin's is still new enough it has limited intake. If the heat thing from the 3rd form is anything to go by, Shin's adaptation is reactive, so I could imagine Shin having to pull back to improve that before chasing down LG.

[@TheCrimsonSwordsman]

So shin can. Due to the way he regenerates he can absorb nuclear energy on the cellular level

[@GETnimbus]

6:56 kinda scared me ngl. almost made me fall. but i like how you evaluated!

[@AizxnEdits]

Can we just take a moment to realize how this guy made these animations and how many tries he did to make this perfect.

[@malikevans634]

I like your presentation. You get straight to the point, you weigh the options, you're not diplomatic about it, but you still answer the question in a well-thought out way.

[@pcmld2267]

Ngl, I still think Legendary absorbs the excess radiation from Shin, especially in his later hypothetical forms & grows stronger.

[@jayesontodd4239]

@@pcmld2267 Late for this, but Shin Gojira also feeds / consumes on radiation.. so in that regard, Im not sure it'd make a difference.

[@____Carnage____]

@@jayesontodd4239 whoever wins basically feeds on the others radioactive carcass

[@sjeason]

One thing I’d like to mention is that while yes, Shin does have a problem with energy drain, in the film he was already adapting to this weakness. When he first uses his atomic breath it leaves him completely drained and forced to shut down, however by the time he reawakens his energy control is significantly improved. He can immediately go to the condensed heat ray phase from his mouth and while the army does deplete his energy, it doesn’t leave him so drained that he has to shut down, and only about 10 minutes later he is able to fire his breath again, even if only for a short time. So every time that Shin uses his atomic breath he gets better adapted to using it, and if he did get to this 5th form built to counter legendary, I’m sure he would have almost entirely mitigated his energy drain problem.

[@ThuTran-bk7me]

There's one problem. The sheer difference in their stats would make it practically impossible for shin to close the gap fast enough

[@sjeason]

@@ThuTran-bk7me Yes but this video is exploring the scenario if he did so suspend disbelief a bit

[@ThuTran-bk7me]

@@sjeason yes I'm aware of that but I don't they even came close accurately potraying the sheer difference in power and experience between shin and legendary. Legendary titans can cause earthquakes with each of their punches and yet even before this impossible scenerio they treat shin as if he could casually pull of these cataclysm level attacks? I call bullshit

[@thealmightyultimus3832]

I think they downplayed his intelligence a bit too. While definitely primarily a creature on instinct, it did display some strategy in the final fight, conserving a bit of energy to blast the people trying to pump the coagulant into his mouth. Not super advanced of course, but it definitely had the capacity to learn. Legendary would win the first encounter, but unless it completely incinerated Shin down to the very last molecule, I doubt he'd be able to win any subsequent engagements, since Shin would then evolve in such a way to counter Legendary

[@jakeboston1]

Something id like to add: How old is Legendary Godzilla? Eons? Thousands of years? How old is Shin? Weeks? Could we imagine how powerful Shin could be, if given the time Legendary does to evolve?

[@JACKWEASEL]

Man I just love that Godzilla movies have gotten so good! Shin Godzilla was my favorite until I saw minus one. But I don’t feel like minus one could beat either shin or legendary. I just love the story of minus one. Nice video!

[@lordkarasu2263]

“It may be able to become multiple creatures but we’re not sure” “Shin was defeated by a committee, so he will become a committee” Yup, seems like he should be able to.

[@Julian-Russel]

lol

[@PNWAffliction]

the sequel, shin makes his own boardroom and schedules meetings all day, turns city into a giant visio diagram. fatality: death by powerpoint

[@l_kamen9095]

@@PNWAffliction bruh I would love to see the humanoid shins just appear at some council meeting to flex on the government.

[@kingz_danklv3683]

@@PNWAffliction Information doesn't come out of thin air Shin Godzilla may adapt to become a commitee but he will not get the information to run it.

[@relatablecancer9899]

@@PNWAffliction *ATOMIC powerpoint.

[@momsadventure3222]

The fact that shin can actually have No absoloute limits in evolving, and countering everything just like in the movie makes him an actual GODzilla

[@LuminousSteel]

I mean Shin literally means God/Deity so Shin GodZilla is Deity Godzilla.

[@pokegameryt8756]

Hell Godzilla and composite Godzilla left the chat

[@noiceboi555]

@@pokegameryt8756well them too so…

[@greycorey1699]

His name stands for god incarnated so yes he is

[@CarrieBearCards34]

yea but we dont see it any form that's not in the movie is fanfic at best and not in a canon debate

[@garrettfairley3401]

I wonder what Shin's fifth form would have been if he faced off against other kaiju (Kong, Mothra, MUTOs, etc.) and wasn't incinerated (maybe you could also see what his fifth form would have been if he went up against every kaiju at once, imagine how awesome, powerful, and dangerous he would be like that.)

[@silentanimator69420]

He would be annihilated.

[@TheUnseenPath]

Maybe, unless he overloaded from the sheer adaptability of every titan.

[@LightSeerzKing]

@@TheUnseenPathhe certainly cant be overloaded. Apparently Shin godzilla was suppose to have 8 forms. where in the 8th one he litteraly turns into an omnipotent sentient universe.

[@GgTr-ys8ol]

@lightseersking wtf

[@casualgamingauraous2345]

@@GgTr-ys8ol Yep, to be fair the guy that made Evangelion is the guy that helped design and make the Shin Godzilla movie and plot so it kinda is expected for Shin to just be a existence level threat, but yeah the concept art and scrap book pretty much confirm that Shin would evolve to a point where space and time can’t affect it, and theoretically it would only evolve further.

[@mrshmiggle235]

Legendary Godzilla feels titans around the world, he’d soon after the fight be able to feel Shin Godzilla still alive and regenerating, he’d then go back and make sure that Shin is completely disposed of.

[@sinisterspirit4235]

To better justify how the 3rd scenario is even possible even though Legendary would've learned to completely disintegrate Shin, we could say that Legendary indeed decapitated Shin's 4th form at first, but the head took a small and agile form to escape and hide, while the headless body turned into the 5th form, but they both kept a telepathic connection. Then after the 5th form got somehow defeated and incinerated, the head would've learned via their connection what went wrong and what was still missing to vanquish Legendary, therefore building the 6th form.

[@noahboss5617]

To be fair. The 4th scenario would be SG know that LG know how to disintegrate it so SG developed a fleeing swarm to maintain the survivability until SG developed the 5th form.

[@adityagarg3931]

This is cringe, how can shin godzilla become so big from a head. Where tf is that mass coming from, air? Einstein would sucide after seeing this

[@waldimort453]

It's a fictional universe. Our laws don't have to apply.

[@aparnarai3708]

@@adityagarg3931 its almost as if you would see Godzilla on earth

[@absolutionone]

@@adityagarg3931 Shin Godzilla had evolved from a creature just barely 30 meters long to one almost quadruple the size. The answer is simple, radiation. Shin Godzilla likely found a way to mass-produce radioactive material and then convert it into biological matter.

[@lizardwithinternet1314]

I feel like if legendary beats the 5th form, he’ll destroy the body as he’ll probably figure out what not incinerating the body will do.

[@Exavack]

That is if he even thinks it is the same monster

[@alimeziane8245]

@@Exavack considering the mz-mg21 incident, he probably will.

[@Keizer125]

@@Exavack you have a point there

[@JujutsuAcademia]

He is pretty smart for a lizard tbh, so yeah

[@Exavack]

@@alimeziane8245 I know but MechaGodzilla actually looked like a robot, some of these forms looks nothing like shin, so it’s possible he would think it’s a different monster

[@UncleRJ]

Imagine MV Godzilla weaving around and dodges any incoming attacks. That would be quite a sight to see because that would mean he has the capability to strategize.

[@rayanali6058]

I’m sure godzilla is more than capable of doing that, but he never went up against any opponents where he needed to do that.

[@-Gatorscanspit]

@@rayanali6058 true Godzilla is more of a tank build fighter he would take the hit and keep fighting it would be more like Kong to Doge

[@GameraEditZ]

You do realize this entire time MV has been alive he alway had the capability to strategize…right? He’s literally one of the smartest of not, the smartest Godzilla there is

[@babyrambo]

It’s baffles me people down play Godzilla’s intelligence thinking he can’t strategize clearly haven’t watched the films/novels nor payed attention.

[@KaijuKev814]

Godzilla is more like Ultra Ego Vegeta than Ultra Instinct Goku, excuse the DBS talk lol

[@zackhurwitz9441]

So, he basically became destroyah.

[@raikaria3090]

As I said before; my stance is that if Legendary can beat Form 5 depends on how hard the Form 4 fight was, because Shin can only adapt to what it actually faced. If it got physically overwhelmed and never faced the Atomic Breath, it couldn't adapt to the Atomic Breat; and Form 5 could lose to that. Form 6 however, I see as a no-win for Legendary.

[@steam1188]

could bring in other kaiju to help him

[@evilcrashbandicootthetouho2753]

Is your icon from a baby game had a cutie little flying kiddie's called touhou lol

[@MyLife-og2kr]

@@steam1188 but that will only make shin evolve further and further, saying his regeneration is godly.

[@raikaria3090]

@@steam1188 At which point it's not Godzilla v Godzilla. It's Shin v The Monsterverse.

[@steam1188]

@@raikaria3090 true but it is a power he has

[@flameblitz17]

I think Godzilla would've realized that he needs to incinerate Shin completely by its first regeneration/evolution. There's also a chance that Godzilla attacks Shin while regenerating/evolving but I'm not sure how would that result. I'm surprised that Godzilla even lasted that long.

[@The_Christian_Kirbo]

Maybe yes, but Shin needs to be destroyed *completely* . One little cell is enough for him to live. So to kill him off, something like Thermo's pulse would be needed.

[@danielestrada3390]

Imo, other titans would help legendary Godzilla, cuz if shin defeats Legendary, theyd all be doomed. Legendary godzilla, they can still defeat since he cant evolve that fast unlike shin

[@ejfernandez8366]

@@danielestrada3390 godzilla told the titans to go to sleep soo you're wrong if you tell me i'm wrong cause the titans would go there faster no cause the sound will travel first ok soo no

[@danielestrada3390]

@@ejfernandez8366 ok? Its a theory, but sure. Just take some meds or sleep first then come back and talk again.

[@sentientmustache8360]

I think if Legendary attacks Shin while he evolves, he would end up malforming into a sort of 4.5 form instead of a 5th one, or hell, maybe break down his structure into something weaker than before, a 3.5 form

[@GilgameshofBabylon]

Shin has basically become Destroyah at this point, but even more adaptable. Aggregate forms, Flying Forms, Final Forms. Unless Legendary Godzilla maintains his Thermonuclear form to constantly incinerate Destroyer Shin, he'd be hard-pressed to win.

[@CCandfriends1]

he needs mothra... this is 1v1

[@A-1412]

@@CCandfriends1 Shin is allowed to multiply himself even though we have never seen him do it before though?

[@michaelcollins4534]

@@A-1412 uh he was quite literally doing that through the entire movie

[@richardboggs5391]

@@CCandfriends1 True, He may need Titanus Mosura. But we do not know of this yet, if he needed, or didn’t need Mosura. These creatures share sort of a “Symbiosis” Relationship, having to help each other once being dragged into immediate conflict, and battle. However, we do not know where Mosura is now, Or Whether Godzilla did need Mosura for the Thermonuclear upgrade. These are more mysteries that need answers, and answers lead to more mysteries…

[@dutyinternal3516]

@@michaelcollins4534 the end of the film was literally him multiplying. nad scenes of him multiplying through torn flesh were removed

[@Tmitric]

They're is a deleted scene where the dead Shins flesh grows eyes and becomes a small ecosystem growing on multiple buildings, that would in the end, most likely take over the world.

[@nobodyimportant64]

Actually the creator shed more light on that in the art book for shin Godzilla. You had the right idea but it wouldn't grow a ecosystem. But rather it would kept growing with shin godzillas growing out of it in a grotesque and dead space like manner. Sort of like a infinite starfish/birthing pod with full grown 4th stage shin godzillas coming out

[@noyesnohaha]

@@nobodyimportant64yh exactly what they meant :)

[@1qeety3]

its not canon

[@PollenSniffer101]

@@1qeety3 it is

[@TheAdminstartor]

@@1qeety3how not?

[@GorgeousGirlGenius]

"Life finds a way." And Shin is the absolute representation of that

[@Nub_Fish]

Shin found the backdoor access to life

[@CuteGoji]

@Joe Alexander He is one of the weakest godzillas 🗿, besides the fact that the legedary godzilla wouldn't even let him regenerate since in the fight against ghidorah he incinerated him

[@CuteGoji]

@Joe Alexander lets go shin godzilla has no feat of stamina Has no speed feats And the only thing that "saves" him is regeneration But legendary godzilla has already faced this type of kaiju and knowing that to kill him you have to incinerate him :> (ghidorah)

[@GorgeousGirlGenius]

@@CuteGoji Your basis for weaponry is a mess... Godzilla got that "Atomic Pulse" because of a nuke and Mothra's life... You mean to tell us that Legendary Godzilla needs to have these before he can best Shin in a 1-on-1 fight? 😂🤣

[@Wariumnichti1]

@@GorgeousGirlGenius and btw shin godzilla is evolving pretty fast. Like from big fish to a godzilla

[@CJ24680]

Interesting thought: If Shin went up against any of the MUTOs, would their EMP weaken Shin's Atomic Blast?

[@theoriginalzem5]

Maybe yes but in the end if it does work, shin would change his atomic blast to not be effected

[@KyojinKaiju]

I'd be inclined to say no; it's important to keep in mind that Legendary Godzilla's atomic breath, going off the older scripts and the novel, was initiated by a bioelectric charge inside his throat that enabled him to use the blast. Shin Godzilla, and presumably all other Godzillas, don't have this minute detail in their respectively biologies, so the MUTOs EMP wouldn't be all that effective.

[@a.r.k.2493]

It wouldn’t work. Here’s why. The EMP from the mutos was specifically designed to counteract atomic radiation(specifically godzillas). However it is important to say shin doesn’t use atomic energy he uses lasers which are made of photons. So it wouldn’t necessarily work

[@adventuresoutdoor7161]

Yes it migth as the MUTOs could weaken godzillas atomic breath , it would more than able to weaken SHINs atomic breath but shin would be more than able to evole and stop the MUTOs from using there EMP

[@zenethehero5527]

@@theoriginalzem5 or instead change his breath to fire or something that would still hurt but not be effected

[@Screeching_bird]

I think the back beams is really what makes shin use alot of energy(which is probably why he switched to his tail beam), according to wikizilla, each one of these beams is as powerful as his normal beam. So it think it would take much longer for shin to use the entire amount of his energy

[@JEBaganha]

"What does legendary Godzilla still have in it's favor????" Me: Plot Armor

[@Drip_Wooper]

Yes 100%, we know a vs movie/comic would never happen because Shin, very much like the original 1954 Godzilla, is supposed to be a critique/satire, rather than a Fighter and Champion, and putting him in a boxing ring would butcher some aspects of it. But if it ever did, Legendary quite literally has no possibility of losing, it wouldnt even get to be a fight of who has more feats or potential, Legendary wins otherwise it'd just be a horrible mensage to pass down: People's champion (Legendary) losing to a personification... Zillafication? of the consequences of human hubris (Shin). Even if the writers convinently forget Legendary's tactical side and his millenia of experience, the plot would bend on its back to give Legendary a last minute power up to kill every cell in Shin.

[@groveriturri7761]

A rematch that "maybe" no one asked for, but we always need

[@cry2368]

agreed

[@johnlol8954]

Actually many people asked for this.

[@ModicumOfSolace]

@@johnlol8954 well, mainly because L.Godzilla didnt win and Monsterverse fans arent happy about that, but someone also recommended them to do "what if" scenarios and they really liked that idea

[@Cerran032]

Seeing as how Legendary’s understood how to stop Ghidorah’s regeneration completely, I’m confident in saying that after the first kill legendary would figure it out and finish shin properly

[@kearsargeyt8848]

He knew that Ghidorah can regenerate because they fought so many times in the past but this is the first time (or second) with shin

[@Dirteater123]

Godzilla did blast Ghidorahs head at the end

[@Rishabhkhanagwal]

@@Dirteater123 but shin also evolves he would understand that he should kill legendary Godzilla with full force and not stand back or leave him unfinished

[@Rishabhkhanagwal]

@@Dirteater123 *shin learns from its mistakes*

[@mycommentwilltriggeryou9810]

@@Rishabhkhanagwal No he wouldn’t. Some people forgot how fucking OP legendary Godzilla is. His atomic breaths is millions of times of atomic breaths and could survive world ending asteroids to the face. Also it takes time for shin Godzilla to adapt. So I’m sure legendary Godzilla literally even claps 5th form shin Godzilla.

[@TheJumpinJr]

Great analysis. I would also add a possible advantage for Legendary G would be aquatic combat. While Shin is also amphibious, we've never really seen how it handles itself under water besides being able to retreat to the sea and return to land at a different point. We've had multiple examples of Legendary being very capable of combat under the water, to the point where he could arguably have beaten King Ghidorah before the Oxygen Destroyer was used and thrashing Kong while Apex was transporting him to the Hollow Earth entrance point. What do y'all think?

[@RhazOfRheos]

I honestly think Shin is actually better in water as it began from there. All the time we see him is trying to be better on land but he still goes to sea to recover. His problem is his intelligence of a toddler. Also I don't think Legendary is any better in aquatic combat than on land. Its just that Ghidorah is worst under water.

[@Watcherandlearner5]

Godzilla is pretty darn good at fighting in the water especially considering the fact he fought a kaiju that was superior to him in the water and won while he did have to take the fight on land the fact he lasted that long shows just how capable he is not to mention he has more experience then shin does and shin never fought in water before

[@VaughnGriffith-dy3ch]

@@Watcherandlearner5 shin would adapt.

[@WyattSheehan-o7e]

Blud literally is an ancient fish

[@Mikescool444]

Actually, I’m pretty sure that shin ended up losing his abilities to swim, considering most of the threats against him was on land, aswell as him trying to go onto land for a reason.

[@tattertopps174]

This video covers a LOT of information on the battlefield and I LOVE it! Let's not forget, in most of the Legendary Godzilla movies, he had some kind of help against his foes (human distraction for the MUTO's, Mothra's sacrifice, more human distractions & nuke revival, and Kong. While this new Godzilla x Kong is coming, I'm not too sure if he also received help. Then again, Kong is there-). If Godzilla manages to subdue Shin around his 4th or 5th form, perhaps the human allies would be able to figure this out and stop his evolution for good. HOWEVER, if it came to Shin's 6th form, it would most likely be gruesome, seemas how Godzilla nearly died to Ghidorah (somewhat same base as Shin's 6th form). If it weren't for the aid he received, he most likely would've died. But, seemas how we don't have much information on Shin before things turned dire, we wouldn't really know. Still, this video is great!

[@bentleyllamallama8201]

One thing that they forgot to cover in this simulation is that this isn't the most realistic simulation. If they tried to do the simulation realistically, they would've added the fact that Legendary Godzilla is undoubtedly, the king of the monsters. He has had every kaiju submit to him, and the ones that don't, get incinerated. I believe that Legendary Godzilla would analyze that he couldn't win in a 1v1 against Shin Godzilla's, and then call kaijus from around the world. Like you had previously stated, Legendary Godzilla wouldn't have won the battle without Mothra, but Mothra has a reincarnation ability, and if Legendary Godzilla were to call Mothra to the battle, even if Legendary Godzilla were decimated, Mothra would still have the capabilities to bring him back to life, allowing him to possible use the atomic pulse once again. Now one could argue that after Legendary Godzilla unlucks the atomic pulse, Shin Godzilla would evolve to a 7th form. But the issue with that is, there is no possible way to counter the atomic pulse. And there is the fact that Shin Godzilla's weakness is in his dorsals. Now say Legendary Godzilla were to use this atomic pulse, it would damage every bit of Shin Godzilla, completely disintegrating every bit of Shin Godzilla from the inside.

[@CarrieBearCards34]

people forget you've never seen shin fight another monster humans killed him MV is an Apex Predator thats on sight with any other monster he see's

[@ExodusCore]

There never would have been a 5th or a 6th form though. You even mention Gidorah yourself. Legendary would have completely destroyed Shin because there is noway that it wouldn't have noticed Shin regenerating.

[@Jonzerker15]

Legendary has a lot of atomic abilities to consider as well #1: In Godzilla: Dominion he uses an atomic pulse capable of removing poison from his body which would take unbelievable strength to expel #2: Many think his thermonuclear form was caused just by Mothra’s death but actually it was because he absorbed too much radiation for his body so he could absorb shin’s atomic ray #3: If given enough time he could fully charge an atomic blast like in GvK which he used to get to Kong in Hollow Earth if that hit shin it would probably do initial blast damage + be really hot #4: it’s possible he could implement atomic energy into his other most powerful weapon: Melee given he portions out his energy just right he could knock shin onto the ground and blast him from above with blast, heat, stronger atomic power (I’m going by the way he uses and manages it), and the added factor of gravity it could destroy shin #5(addition to #2): well heisei Godzilla used a spiral ray in his burning stage it’s possible legendary could as well I’m not a legendary fanboy I love millennium series more but I’m trying to be a little more accurate Also do some Kiryu vids

[@churro5322]

You make good points. But shin fanboys gonna be like but muh evolution

[@Tracks2008]

Actually Godzilla was already reaching the a thermonuclear meltdown but Mothra pushed him past that into his Burning Godzilla form we see. She also allowed him to control that much power. If the mega atomic blast (From GVK) hit Shin it would easily cut him in two and maybe dissolve one of the halves.

[@Ifinallybeatmastermodeftwyey]

@@Tracks2008 oh! So it’s like: Godzilla had his radiation limit to maximum, but mothra’s sacrifice pushed his limits to override, but can control the radiation he’s holding to get the G man into a very powerful burning form.

[@Tracks2008]

@@Ifinallybeatmastermodeftwyey Actually yes that is effectively what happened.

[@churro5322]

@ERRATAS 0202 yeah, burger g is nothing compared to the over rated headcannon of shin fanboys.

[@zhw3950]

The thing is I'm pretty sure that the humanoid Godzillas on shin's tail was meant to become a larger,stronger,more agile, more faster and more effective than the original with the capability of either duplicating their limb's and body to create another Shin clone or even start to merge with the other clones to eventually become an ultimate life form that would serve as Shin's bodyguards while it remained in a state of hibernation. These copies may as well even enhance Shin's abilities and also have the ability to either fuse with Shin which could create something that would constantly supply shin with endless amounts of energy or even act like Shin's armor that will probably absorb radiation,blasts and energy which will then continue Shin's evolutionary cycle even faster and even supply Shin with all the nutrients it needs keeping Shin at a fully powered state. (This is my explanation of Shin's evolution from what I've seen in animations and the ending scene in Shin Godzilla so this isn't what might actually happen) #500MECHA (And i think in the next monsterverse movie it would be Shin taking on the kaijus of the monsterverse)

[@matthewlugo2417]

Kind of like when gyaos got bigger or iris got bigger right? From eating

[@007MrDeceiver]

Cool take on an form of shin

[@kingofflames738]

from what I remember the small ones are supposed to counter humanity and basically overrun everything before merging into a giant flesh blorp of continental scale. That planetary tumor would spread across the world and consume everything until the entire earth is shin Godzilla.

[@ultranecrozma7449]

A few things you missed: -Shins brain is not the thing controlling the evolution -That energy overheat would probably solved in that next form due to previous combat -Godzilla doesn’t have the ability to completely destroy Shin It’s impossible for Godzilla to win, its simply a matter of time before Shin becomes a lovecraftian god like in the concept art.

[@anjelousmoonwolf1940]

I wonder what will shin look like if hes same age as legendary cus shin is only 7 weeks old

[@agilraj1145]

​@@anjelousmoonwolf1940 i sometimes forget he is not a billion year old kaiju

[@____Carnage____]

Not impossible Legendary would have to burn the carcass entirely which is possible but it will take a lot of energy and time, but it can happen once Legendary figures out that he didn’t kill Shin the first time But see if Mothra and humanity were also included in this fight then Shin would stand no chance as all of them could kill Shin collectively and deal with the separate part’s together

[@RhazOfRheos]

@@____Carnage____ Thats the whole problem. "Didn't kill Shin the first time". Because there will be NO second time. Shin evolve real time even if its not killed. Each of its form is exponentially stronger and more lethal than the previous. We see that its 5th form specialize specifically to eradicate the humans if it wasn't stopped since humans was its biggest threat to him in the movie. And we see in the concept art kzbin.info/www/bejne/eqHKYohmfb-pd9U , its something that humanity CANNOT win against since its basically the Tyranids on steroids. If Its biggest threat is Legendary, Its Fifth form will counter EVERYTHING Legendary have done. It will take some serious Deus ex machina for Legendary to even stand a chance. And Legendary was being curbstomp by something like Mechazilla.

[@_G.C]

I feel like if he's so strong and unstoppable like everyone says, then he'll evolve to actually be able to balance himself properly and reject blood coagulants the next time we see him on the big screen. Until then I don't think he's going to get that far

[@iamamazingyt1605]

8:41 In the GxK trailer, we saw that our G-Man amazingly got evolved and he was quite similar to Mechagodzilla's body build. He was taller, agile and his hands and legs are longer and he is more taller, like the Mecha. Imagine if our G-Man defeated Shin's final form and he goes back to rest, just to evolve like that final form in case he encounters another threat like Shin or even able to battle against bigger threat 🥶🗿

[@revtale7329]

7:24 and 9:24 My God the hypothetical forms of shin look fantastic, I honestly hope they become part of the merchandise of your channel. Ps: Lovely video mate, I agree with the majority that legendary will "kill" shin in his 4th form, but after shin evolves into his 5th form, I don't see legendary winning at that point, or at least it'll be extremely difficult to bring shin down, but hey it's all fun speculation and we're here for it.

[@benjamintay9619]

Yeah, I'd have to agree considering he fought Ghidora

[@Maljurok]

I freaking swear, If shin Godzilla was ever introduced into the Monsterverse, it would be a seriously missed opportunity if it doesn't end up evolving into Destroyah Edit: Okay So I have been hearing none stop about keeping them separate and I just need to say, do none of you have any imagination between you to realize that one of Shin Godzilla's duplicates he spawns might have a chance to turn into Destroyah. Perhaps after combining with the creature that survived and thrived from the oxygen destroyer?

[@godlygamer2466]

No, keep them separate

[@Pannenkoek_in_een_pan]

The creators of shin Godzilla made it so it’s 8th form was azatoth from the lovecraftian universe or something similar to that

[@Loki_x_Raven]

@@Pannenkoek_in_een_pan thats so dumb lmao. i hate to say it but theres no way that a creature would be able to evolve like that. not even shin

[@poieinproductions3062]

@@Loki_x_Raven at the very least, it would require much more evolution/forms to build up to it.

[@odhrangriffin2967]

@@poieinproductions3062 .

[@DJSpike-ft9yw]

I think one of the most important adaptations Shin could make for a 5th form is a more efficient energy system based on Legendary Godzilla’s DNA.

[@thedeegeesaga]

This is basically what I stipulated based solely on the previous video, cool video!

[@Noah_Woodhall]

I feel like the next villain in the monsterverse will be another entirely new Kaiju. Theres not really any other Kaiju to bring back to face off against Kong that are worth the fan service and general audience recognition, and the money for buying the rights to them. However in Godzillas case I feel like it should either be Destoroyah or Biollante given what the monsterverse has set up so far. #500MECHA

[@bazaidkhan4298]

Destoroyah definitely.

[@rayvenredfield]

You gotta think outside the box. The Monsterverse doesn't just encompass Godzilla & Kong. If Mothra gets a solo film in the future, I'd hope that Battra would be the villain

[@sithmaster4305]

King Caesar would be cool.

[@OmniGojira]

Don't forget space Godzilla

[@MichaelAfton69200]

Their are actually leaks that the next movie will have Biollante as the villain.

[@jacktar25]

Shin is a scary opponent to face considering you'd have to destroy every part of it, even the skin and parts of flesh ripped off. Even if shin doesn't evolve in the first sim, Legendary would have to burn the the entire battle arena to the ground to be sure. Otherwise there would be even more shin to fight that also evolved new forms and abilities to counter legendary.

[@shks5012]

Just like the purple madman said once; not a single atom will remain, sort-of.

[@bigaraga]

Yeah, shin is like some really evil or scary thing that came into existence somehow and threatens the existence of the entire universe as we know it, growing in the purpose of ultimately defeating any foe, adversary, or circumstance that it faces. It's scary to think how unbelievably unbeatable it would've been had it not been stopped in the relatively weaker stages of its evolution. Like they said in the movie, if he wasn't stopped as soon as possible, he would eventually become unstoppable.

[@professionalfurret]

@@bigaraga TOAA solos

[@youtubemomar1638]

@@professionalfurret Shut up, these isn't marvel

[@RED_PANDA1854]

@@bigaraga I mean just like the video said if shin was not stopped by the humans Shin would have turned into the universe itself so yeah The whole thing you were saying is kinda true about shin Or I'm just looking at your reply at a different angle

[@ryanf1308]

I think it depends on the direction they want to go in the monsterverse, if the license is gonna run out and not be renewed I think the best options to end it will be a space godzilla type kaiju or destroyah. If the verse continues I think they should revamp a lesser known kaiju, though they might not due to their popularity, gigan is a good a choice to make a darker movie, gigan usually comes across as goofy and stupid so it would be nice to see a redesign and have him portrayed as the terror he should be. If not, then biollante is perfect for a redesign and new origin consider its composition, could be a naturally occurring kaiju in the verse. #500MECHA

[@Readspiraloyster]

Actually biolante could still have her original origin they're already hinting towards the idea of man-made biological Kaiju in the end credits of Godzilla King and the monsters

[@Mr_Rat_Man_725]

Give us king caesar

[@thehorseking5141]

3:14 Fun fact: There’s a delete end scene where chuck of shin godzilla start to grow teeth and eyes.

[@theverrecorderZ]

One thing you didn't mention is that one shin can evolve a intelligence during a battle. Two, shin's cells have their own intelligence, each cell has a basic intelligence capable of separation from the original form. DO NOTE THAT THE CELLULAR INTELLIGENCE IS LIKE A HIVE MIND AND CAN BE SHUT DOWN FROM THE MAIN BRAIN

[@Dimitriterrorman]

i think you overestimate how fast he can evolve and also it doesnt seem like he can get smarter

[@arcanegojira9066]

@@Dimitriterrorman you just need to see the end clip where you can see humanoid creatures sprout from shin's tail to know he gets smarter too

[@bable6314]

@@arcanegojira9066 Humanoid =/= smart lol

[@tridinh1011]

​@@Dimitriterrormanhe evolved overnight to combat the bombers lol, wdym overestimate the speed?

[@goji04]

I really liked the analysis here, and the hypothetical 5th and 6th forms for Shin look really cool. I'm glad you released the rematch, especially since the first video ended with an unclear winner. Great content, keep it up!

[@GOJI-EDITS]

You should make a trailer of Godzilla versus shin Godzilla

[@psyxypher3881]

Energy depletion remains a serious problem for Shin Godzilla. It's also possible that Shin Godzilla's evolution causes it to lose an advantage somewhere. Imagine, for a moment, that Shin Godzilla develops flight...it might end up losing its ability to fight in water. And Ghidora nearly died when G-Man dragged him under the water.

[@RhazOfRheos]

I dont think Shin loses anything from evolving. We see him getting better and better each form. He didnt lose his ability to live under water when he gain the ability to walk on land. And he adapts instantly too seen when he wants to counter air strikes and drones. Thats not even him evolving. His current weakness is his energy deficiency. Id imagine if it happened too often, he will negate that eventually.

[@tristanemery8748]

I think this is an interesting point tbh. It's entirely feasible that Shin could lose some of its previously advantageous adaptations through gaining new ones just by the nature of its evolutionary powers. For instance, if it gained flight, I would assume mass would be drawn from its legs and tail to both better distribute mass, but also to provide the sheer volume of biological matter necessary to grow giant wings - potentially hampering both Shin's terrestrial and aquatic movement as well as its ability to use its tail as a weapon.

[@DarthZ01]

actually the concept for shins next form is a perfected fusion reactor. this would have been after he eradicated humanity by evolving into an entire world conquering army of human-zillas. the perfect reactor would have had literal infinite energy. note, the further concepts by shins creator would have had him adapting to space flight, galaxy destruction, actual reality destruction, and growing and containing an entire new universe within itself...after utterly destroying the old one of course.

[@curts7801]

@@RhazOfRheoshe literally lost his gills. And that big towering form will not swim as well as his first 2.

[@phlixcarbon]

Shin would likely not get depleted instead of siphoning off the passive radiation given off from Legendary Godzilla. Since the radiation Shin Godzilla absorbs in his movies is much less. Legendary Godzilla just standing there would be more than any radiation Shin had been exposed to in his own movie.

[@ElDavo11]

Now you need to make an 3rd analysis with legendary Godzilla in his evolution

[@nightowlgaming3656]

Would love to see Gigan show up somehow as the Villain of the MV. He would definitely be a challenge to make sense of why he is there in this universe, but if we already have aliens like Ghidorah, it shouldn't be too hard to make a story around it. #500MECHA

[@DarkROSkull013]

What makes this interesting is that unlike other Godzilla esque enemies (space, mecha, biollante, even orga), these two are actual Godzillas. Plus, Shin is terrifying.

[@nadiasmakeover1154]

What if some other kaiju sacrifices for L godzilla and turn him into burning Godzilla during the fifth form

[@matttan8066]

Now is like burning Godzilla Vs destroyah. Shin Godzilla is turning more and more to the first Godzilla that was killed by the oxygen destroyer

[@monkey1053]

Maybe if shin survives long enough, which will probably not happen, he will become resistant to the pulse, I know it's hot like the sun or what ever so yeah don't hate. You came here for nothing

[@FoxDoesVids]

@@matttan8066 it would be nothing like godzilla vs destroyah, as Legendary Godzilla's thermonuclear form is much weaker than heisei's.

[@FoxDoesVids]

@@monkey1053 shin will survive long enough as he can evolve really fast to counter or become resistant to any type of heat energy no matter how hot it is

[@ModicumOfSolace]

@@monkey1053 In Shin's defense, he can also regenerate enough heat similiar to L.Godzilla during his thermonuclear state (in one of the unused scenes in Shin Godzilla) and frankly enough, that pulse wont be able to finish Shin off clean as many people believed given that Monster Zero tanked 2 pulses before being grounded (though Kevin lost Ichi and Ni) But still, Kevin *kinda* survived L.Godzilla's thermonuclear state so Shin can pretty much do the same and with maybe more than a skull unlike kevin

[@rushilbankwar2930]

Wow man your videos are so good!Btw,here is my opinion on the scenarios. Scenario 1- Legendary godzilla wins high diff Scenario 2- Legendary godzilla(if he comes up with a good plan) wins extreme-impossible diff otherwise shin goji wins mid diff Scenario 3-Shin godzilla ains No-low diff.

[@najimitheclericmain]

another thing for shin:since he has evolved not only to counter legendary's atomic breath he would also absolutely have the hide to endure it its possible since remember:ghidorah can tank a 2019 breath. i believe shin can also increase its hide durability to better handle any melee or any ranged weapon legendary uses or even develop an ability to siphon legendary's radiation

[@benjamintay9619]

I guess the siphon ability will also help with the energy issue Shin has

[@Kanquasu]

It cut through building like shin did on his movie so you may be wrong on that oneGVK Godzilla has a more focused and powerful one SGodzilla 2019 had a more spread out atmoic breath while the Godzilla G

[@ModicumOfSolace]

@@Kanquasu fair point, cuz Godzilla19 has a somewhat more spread-out beam thus not being able to effectively counter Monster Zero unlike Godzilla21 who got a more concentrated atomic beam while also being relatively stronger that his KoTM counterparts

[@mycommentwilltriggeryou9810]

Shin Godzilla is overrated

[@thealexander3463]

@@benjamintay9619 shin form 5: im tired... Legendary: look like your running out of time ! Shin: talking about time do you know what time is it ? Legendary: no, why ? Shin: its time to *eat* ! Legendary: 😨

[@KatsudonArt]

Based on the creator Shinji Higuchi's lore of Shin Godzilla and the creator of Neon Genesis Evangelion - Hideaki Anno (He directed and wrote the screenplay for Shin Godzilla), they said the concept is that Shin Godzilla literally is the end of time and the birth of a new one. It aims to destroy not just Tokyo but the current universe itself... let that sink in... and Shin would evolve to the new universe where galaxies and life form within it. Fucking insane. Shin Godzilla IS a literally a god.

[@francescocorrias9090]

According to a Japanese guy the thing that Shin Godzilla should have further evolved into a 8th form with god like powers were just a fan-made theory that Internet had make people believe it was canon.

[@KatsudonArt]

@@francescocorrias9090 aww, I'll do a deeper research on this in my end, thanks for the heads up.

[@francescocorrias9090]

@@KatsudonArt no problem. It was so dissapointing for me find out that Shin Godzilla new forms were fan-made after years in which I believe to it. Sadly it that because the many KZbinrs that use that fake informations for their videos the biggest part of Godzilla's fan on Internet is not aware yet that it is fake and still believe that it is canon and confirmed.

[@curtisjackson5793]

@@francescocorrias9090 well, does it even matter if it is fan-made or "canon"? In both cases, we're dealing with fictional concepts, so if Shin doesn't stop evolving, eventually it will get to the god-level that fans make it to be, even if the author didn't predict that. Although I must say don't like it one bit, as I think that it is lazy design, much like multiverses: nothing matters, because we have other surrogate versions of everything. To me, it's just stupid writing conceptual characters and then trying to fit them on experience grounds, like a fish out of water

[@francescocorrias9090]

@@curtisjackson5793 you are right, yeah are fictional characters so even if something is canon it don't really exist and still is fruit of the immagination of someone just like any fan-fiction. You know actually I'm the first one that would glad if the story of others forms/evolutions was true but I dislike that people end up be so hyped for something that was a hoax. I feel like the that the intelligence of the people who believe in this is mocked by the ones who have make this hoax popular.

[@HistorysRaven]

I understand that logistically it was easier to just assume in the first scenario Shin would just form two versions of it's 4th form. I'm curious if there was discussion about it building two evolved forms instead of staying the same, and whether the discussion is that both entities would be the same or would they take different forms.

[@tectamk.thorne7837]

So for example One Bulkier one and one more agile one?

[@gdafartg5368]

@@tectamk.thorne7837 ornstein and smough?

[@churro5322]

@@gdafartg5368 godskin duo?

[@Readspiraloyster]

No only would I love that and that would be cool but at the same time legendary Godzilla has a hard enough I think that introducing two evolved Shin Godzilla's would immediately destroy him

[@A-Man2011]

Maybe they'd evolve into two creatures? The body will maybe evolve into a more bulkier and physical Shin due to the impact and damage Legendary did thus becoming bulkier to take those hits , and the head could evolve into something more agile more capable of using long ranged attacks at a better angle with some energy consumption control , so one becomes a Brawler to distract Legendary and the Sniper will chase hunt down Legendary and shoot it with a possibly more powerful atomic ray with less energy consumed

[@stealthlock6634]

I am LOVING your designs and roars for the hypothetical 5th and 6th form Shingojis!! Very menacing and cool!!

[@neutralized246]

Hey Goji, just wanted to say thanks to you for covering this video as a follow up to both the previous video and the podcast on the Beast Hub. Personally, I think that the next Monsterverse villain would be either Destroyah or Mecha-King Ghidorah. Destroyah because it would be great for the fan service as he is a much adored villain and was brilliant in the Toho film, but Mecha-King Ghidorah is also a possibility as there is a huge amount of ways Legendary could keep ghidorah alive, especially regarding the skull the Jonah found in KOTM, and a legendary rendition of Mecha King Ghidorah would be really cool. Keep up the good work! #500MECHA

[@macieceballos3051]

Alright that 5th form was just nightmare fuel & I love it, also since introducing shin there's 2 interesting scenarios I've wondered/wanted, 1st how would shin handle the angels from evangelion, its not canon but seeing him fight the eva's was a huge thing & now makes me curious of how he would handle the other angel's if able too, 2nd would be if mothra joined the fight, would burning form be enough to end shin like with ghidorah

[@greedybandit9418]

I just love how his analysis isn't just a make-up BS but a thorough research and not function as just an imagination but a very logical and scientific. I only had discovered this channel for months but you are cool dude.

[@Crimson7390]

I mean there was some made up bs, like assuming shin could replicate the same feat MV goji did in gvk, and the speed, rate, and efficiency at which shin could evolve. As entertaining as the videos are, they typically underplay one side and overplay another.

[@deinocheirusthebestduck5447]

Shin's Godzilla evolution takes some times or Even hour's meaning that if Shin evolved in the Battle field Legendary Godzilla can just use he's atomic breath to stop shin by evolving

[@greedybandit9418]

@@Crimson7390Well, a little BS can't hurt😂. But considering it is an adaptive being(Shin) maybe it can speed up it's evolution process to counter Legendary Godzilla. I mean he only ever encounter humans as enemies and humans are clearly not that a threat to monster like that right? If it had seen that the one attacking him is as strong as him/stronger then he would feel threaten and may evolve to faster evolution

[@Crimson7390]

@@greedybandit9418 the only issue with that is that shin wasn’t able to evolve fast enough to deal with the mosh posh group of humans that were assaulting him, yes in theory shin as a being who can continually evolve would be terrifying. However what shin has shown is that his evolution takes time and that it has clear limitations, and more than likely wouldn’t be able to save shin from legendary Godzilla until maybe his 10th form being realistic with the evidence shown in the movie. But yeah a little bs to make the video more entertaining doesn’t hurt, just some people take it as law and get the wrong idea about it.

[@greedybandit9418]

@@Crimson7390 True point in that.😅

[@clj766]

HOLY CRAP BRO YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS PLEASE 🙏 MAKE MORE VIDEOS PLEASE

[@Gamerafighter76]

Shin being unpredictable would definitely work to his advantage; he really can be unstoppable.

[@myleswelnetz6700]

8:57 “Legendary Godzilla’s status: still alive.” Maybe for now, but he won’t be in a moment!

[@shazamblake3796]

Now I wanna see a part 3 to this. Where Shin is in his 6th form and brutalizing Legendary but then Final Godzilla shows up and offers a hand, forcing Shin to further evolve

[@Ledragonboi27]

Ah yes Final wars Godzilla.. Possibly one of the most Broken Versions yet XD

[@jameszhao1428]

Another scenario is if Legendary uses his alfa call

[@1Xzss]

Or LG calls all the Titans to help him

[@deinocheirusthebestduck5447]

Or if Godzilla use he's alpha call to call every Titan

[@Jurassiccanonking]

I love that he almost entirely became Destroyah.

[@arnattcantwell7991]

Why i absolutely love Shin Godzilla. A completely unique take on the Kaiju, where most Godzilla's have sentience and motives, this is a purely instinctual and disgustingly adaptable organism. This is why Shin's concept is actually terrifying

[@churro5322]

Yeah, shin godzilla becoming a planet is not godzilla at all. Zilla and shin godzilla are both the same, at the opposite end of the spectrum of what godzilla really is.

[@Wariumnichti1]

Yeah from a big fish to GOD. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eqHKYohmfb-pd9U

[@EMoth76]

​@@churro5322 Agreed.

[@raydiaz9218]

@@churro5322 have you seen the Godzilla Anime hes deoicted to be much bigger than legend Godzilla about 5x bigger than legend.

[@goudashark1156]

Wow, these forms really put into perspective how much of a threat an unchallenged Shin could be. Too bad he'd never get the chance to actually mutate since Legendary Goji would simply absorb the radiation from Shin after being defeated, leaving Shin helpless and it's radiation for the taking. Plus Shin is pretty weak to heat considering he has to avoid overheating, so the atomic breath would do a number on Shin.

[@nicolasousaoliveira6973]

really more you already think that if he managed to evolve to stage 5 he would no longer have these problems well he could probably even copy some stolen powers from godzilla legendary it would be a battle only in the punch literally

[@gangbel5158]

since when godzilla can literally absorb radiation from other kaijus?

[@raptorjesus6656]

last i checked only ghidorah has been seen absorbing other kaiju's radiation

[@CoryJonesMusic]

@@raptorjesus6656Legendary Godzilla can too. The only difference is Godzilla doesn’t suck it out of an opponent like ghidorah. Remember in 2017 Godzilla King of the Monsters he got hit with the nuke and it supercharged him

[@Glonkosaurus]

@@gangbel5158 Exactly

[@predaking1186]

There is one way he could try to win against shins 6th form. I remember in Godzilla king of monsters that Godzilla hand the edge against Ghidorah in the water because he couldn't fly And Godzilla being smaller and an aquatic Kaiju had the advantage in speed in water.(but shin can swim too?) Shin Godzilla evolved into his second from making him a land creature Now with lungs plus his wings and size in form 6 is difficult to fight against a smaller faster Godzilla.

[@Sushidog2005]

damn that true

[@vi0l3nc35]

Grab and drown

[@seatea6635]

But isn’t shin still technically Godzilla?

[@Ken-df8cp]

Shin lost the ability to swim after its 2nd form

[@IShidFreshRazorBlades]

@@seatea6635 That’s true, but flight and swimming don’t always go together. In this scenario, Shin has not encountered legendary Goji in the water yet, so shin’s evolution ignoring water adaptations after shedding them in his third and fourth forms to be better suited for combat with legendary Goji on land is not out of the question. It’s also interesting to think about because it would force the G-man to fully retreat to the water, which is something we’ve never actually seen unless you count falling in the water during the boat fight with Kong as retreating. If a water combat situation does happen and 6th form Shin doesn’t perform well in water, it’s actually very likely he’d lose in close combat. In the case that the original Shin’s aquatic traits remain, legendary just gets completely crushed in a 1v1 without his thermonuclear state, no questions asked.

[@huggyuniverise1122]

Now, thermo nuclear godzilla vs. Shin's 6th form

[@squidmarine0076]

I absolutely love the art for all the shin forms. Pretty clever designs and id love to see more interesting shin matchups.

[@myleswelnetz6700]

3:10 - 4th form 5:30 - 5th form 8:42 - 6th form

[@progamerx5928]

Hey, Goji Center! This video was as badass as always! I love the brutal depictions of Shin Godzilla's 5th and 6th forms. It's so cool to see how Shin Godzilla could evolve. I think the next monster verse villain would be Destoroyah. Keep up the good work with these awesome animations! #500MECHA

[@colinalford2153]

Imagine all the other titans teaming up with Legendary to take out the Sixth form! An all out Endgame style battle to the death! Definitely would be a fitting final battle for the monster-verse!

[@patrikdiazsima970]

That would be cool: Godzilla X Kong: The final chapter (2029).

[@fd4830]

If your gonna go as far as have a round six, i think it'd be fair to put into account that Mothra would help Godzilla, also I think humans would have tried using a nuke in an attempt to assist Godzilla.

[@DronyPlayz]

Nuke whould've help shin Godzilla even more

[@curts7801]

@@DronyPlayzit wouldn’t. Shin has to clear heat to keep himself alive. Shin sustains himself by hydrogen fusion and fission reactions. He puts out Herculean amounts of heat and radiation through his core living process. The radiation isn’t a problem, but the heat of his own growth forced his third form to retreat to the water to stay alive. The nuke overheats Shin’s biology yet again. Except this time he can’t move fast, so he’ll be forced to shut down instead. And shin’s flesh is far more vulnerable to kinetic damage than LG. Shin evolved the spine rays specifically to prevent the bunker buster bombs from tearing apart his flesh a second time. The Nuke hits far harder. It both tears apart his flesh and forces his cells to shut off. Legendary simultaneously can survive the kinetic force of the nuke while also feeding on the radiation left behind.

[@Jovenmar815]

Facts and maybe leg Godzilla will evolve even more in the next film the new empire cuz maybe G-man could have a rly strong atomic breath idk we just gotta wait for 2024 rly hyped though hope for another rematch

[@Hi-hn1ov]

LOL, but shin literally disintegrate Legendary G@@pranavsaravanan990

[@robertbarrows6687]

I think one thing that you failed to account for for Legendary Godzilla? His ability to absorb radiation, I don't think Shin Godzilla's atomic ray will be a bonus for him at all...Legendary can honestly just absorb the energy and handle the concussive force with ease. This is the same being as, in his weakest form could tank the 15 megaton Castle Bravo without any injury, well above the firepower that Shin Godzilla can output.

[@malcom6421]

well its shown in Godzilla vs Kong that mechagodzilla's ray burns Godzilla, so it could probably pierce through the hide of godzilla and cause fatal injuries

[@Iatemykidneysraw]

If thats the case then godzilla would be injured do to the beam hitting godzilla

[@EdmundiumHitting]

He only absorbs radiation over time

[@SokWorld2007]

@@malcom6421 thats because mechagodzilla doesn't use radiation and uses photons instead.

[@chadgorosaurus4898]

Shin hand beam: *nah*

[@Jose_Lopez08]

Massively excited that you guys decided to continue this fight between legendary goji and shin great job.

[@robloxguest668]

I subbed and liked cause you are amazing

[@matthews4424]

I think its obvious that shin would have won. I think that legend goji definitely does have the advantage in the beginning, but the next few phases are all practically unwinnable for him. If he uses shin as a shield as proposed in the first scenariom he is still at risk of and atomic blast from the tail and especially the spikes. However goji could possibly maneuver around these attacks. Where I do think that goji has no chance against shin is in the following 2 stages. It seems unlikely that he would be able to discover shins energy issue. It's not a weakness that is so easy to find. The 6th stage of shin downright unwinnable for goji.

[@deletoblue5397]

What about burning Godzilla?

[@matthews4424]

@@deletoblue5397 he isn't in this scenario as stated in the first part.

[@jamesmartinmarcos3518]

@@deletoblue5397 mothras not there, its a 1v1

[@pcmld2267]

Legendary Godzilla still could absorb the radiation & achieve a much stronger state for the Fifth Form, but the Sixth Form scaled up? He would most certainly require assistance.

[@MinutemanPrestonGarvey]

@@deletoblue5397 When Legendary went thermonuclear it left all of Ghidorah's Skulls which means that even if legendary went thermonuclear it still wouldn't destroy shin's head

[@antrikshshahi1641]

It would be amazing to see a battle between shin and legendary Godzilla as one was created to represent the worst in humanity and to cause destruction, While the other is more of a grumpy guardian to humanity who wants to preserve.

[@owenkoenig-woodyard7512]

I love shin's ability to never stop evolving. It rly keeps every battle he's in captivating af

[@marcbeans3057]

This was a very fun video, with an evolution based on good logic that Legendary countered with his intelligence and cognitive skills. Now: could Legendary have still triumphed? Possibly! I posit to you a scenario of my own based on some key factors from KOTM, as New Empire was released after this was made. Legendary took a nuke at extreme proximity and was healed and filled with more energy than his body could contain, to the point of becoming the powerful Burning Godzilla once Mothra gave of her spirit to him. So considering that Shin explicitly spews vast amounts of radiation just by existing and especially by using his atomic weaponry, it’s possible Legendary could be absorbing radiation the entire battle. Possibly even mitigating the damage of the atomic weaponry. This is further supported in Godzilla vs Kong where the dorsal plate of a member of Godzilla’s species was not only utterly immune to his atomic breath, it was absorbed and empowered. Considering the scenario of Legendary triumphing once and possibly against both, he might even be able to supercharge himself by feeding on the corpses and taking chunks out of them. The director of KOTM responded to the question of if Godzilla could eat other Titans with: “Other titans/kaiju are basically a source of radioactive meat, so...” Godzilla vs Kong also shows that even absent the chance of going into the Thermonuclear State, there are other benefits of excess absorbed radiation. Godzilla expended a lot of power first by firing an Atomic Breath strong enough to bore a hole to Hollow Earth. So he is proven capable of changing the amount of energy he can hold, and proven capable of exerting it in stronger, but more draining ways.

[@erikowens7786]

In depth battle analysis of a skull crawler vs Zilla (1998) would be such a cool face off

[@Sushidog2005]

alr thats facts

[@Gyro-721]

*They are both SO powerful that it needed a second video* 💀

[@frenchiesottises8193]

I feel like anything that can fly has an advantage over Legendary Goji. Ghidorah's a prime example of that. Not only can he just fly away if needed, he literally almost killed Goji by simply dropping him from the atmosphere. Ghidorah just likes to torment Goji out of spite. However, because Goji is super smart and has battled an old foe who's known to regenerate, it wouldn't take long for him to realize that he needs to completely eliminate Shin as fast as possible. No doubt he'll get flashbacks and completely change his fighting method, even possibly attacking Shin as he tries to heal himself. This is also assuming Mothra wouldn't intervene, which, knowing from the battle with Ghidorah, she's not gonna let Goji face Shin alone. Kong might join too since he and Goji know they can work together should the time ever call for it. In short, if this were to be a movie, I feel like it would be Shin vs the Earth. They almost lost him once, it's not gonna happen again.

[@RhazOfRheos]

Its not totally fair on that point of Shin vs the earth as humans did beat Shin. But lets say the coagulant was not formed and other kaijus exist. Its still a hard match up as nothing conventional works on Shin so far. everything thrown at him is instantly adapted by him. And thats not even him evolving. If he evolve with a bio nuclear reactor or something that negates his energy deficiency, then nothing in the Monster verse could beat him.

[@vanguardRailgun924]

This actually got me thinking on ways to beat Shin. 1: Put it on the offensive. All of Shin’s evolutions happened to defend itself from attacking opponents or things actively hindering him. Shin is a reactionary creature and is not a critical thinker. You need to bait it to going on the offensive and then take him out by surprise. Only problem is would Legendary’s Pride allow him to follow through with this plan. 2: Call in the other Kaiju with the Alpha call and completely overwhelm Shin and not give it the chance to evolve further.

[@zachelkins1229]

For me I think the best comparison is to something like Doomsday from Superman. There's no beating or stopping Shin the same way twice. If Legendary can figure out that he needs to absolutely destroy Shin after he regenerates there is a slim chance he could still take Shin, as even after evolving Shin rarely shows more intelligence, though it hadn't really needed to. It wouldn't be playing to Legendary's strengths, but by being clever he might be able to isolate one of the regenerations and finish it entirely, then applying that same ideal to the second. But if this somehow goes to a round 3 I can't see Legendary taking a W. Much like antibiotic resistance in bacteria if you don't stop Shin entirely you're soon to have a much, much worse problem on your hands.

[@Goblin_guy69]

I agree shin would win in almost every situation against legendary Godzilla

[@thomasderosso5625]

In the end, the only relevant question is whether Shin's opponent(s) has/have both the intelligence and ability to halt its adaptive evolution, whether through complete annihilation or another means like the one used in Shin's film. If not, or if the opponent gains the intelligence or ability too late, Shin wins.

[@Dayesh_16]

I wonder what if shin's opponent also has a adapting ability like shin?

[@ExodusCore]

Shin heals in real time. So Legendary would see it regenerate during the fight. It is funny how everyone here completely forgets that Legendary made damn sure to destroy Gidorah to make sure that it wouldn't come back. So no, in a 1 vs 1 fight, Shin would only have been able to reach a fifth form if plot armor allowed it to.

[@thomasderosso5625]

@@ExodusCore Legendary ahs the intelligence, sure. Ability? Debatable. In the end, or course, Stan Lee said it best: "The winner is the one the writer wants to win."

[@nagatouzumaki3225]

@@Dayesh_16 nah imagine two Shin Godzilla fighting eachother

[@gavisinspacern1488]

7:44 I'm not sure this is true. Maybe it's just my reading of the film, but it always struck me that Shin running out of atomic breath was only a temporary setback of that form, and that with future forms, this weakness would disappear

[@mamaguebitoklk5575]

And it did, literally after hibernating it used it's atomic breath many more times for longer periods of time, this without going into a suspended state again, so yeah, the energy depletion shit is just a stretch.

[@YamiYaiba]

Eh, maybe. At this point we're crossing into the realm of suspending disbelief in physics so hard that it becomes impossible to say how ANYTHING works. For example, biomass doesn't just come out of nowhere. How is Shin getting larger without material intake? Similarly, how can he generate more power without a more potent or larger nuclear fuel source? With any Godzilla, you've gotta suspend disbelief SOME (as standing upright with structural integrity is nigh impossible, much less locomotion), but Shin just laughs in the face of physics by disregarding mass and energy. So yeah, Shin *could* regenerate into 2 Shins....but where is all that extra Shin-meat coming from? Sure, Shin could get more powerful and more frequent breath weapons, but where's the extra nuclear energy coming from? Realistically, until Shin evolves either a digestive system or an ability to consume biological/nonbiological matter to integrate into its body, it has hard, finite limits. So I don't think their hypothetical 6th Form is plausible. And I'm casting heavy doubt on their "2 Shins" scenario, though it's *slightly* more plausible, though I suspect they'd be weaker (at least in terms of energy output) than 4th Form purely due to lack of resources to make 2 identical Shins at full strength. Not to say they couldn't win, as I think 4 perfectly aimed shorter duration beams could hypothetically behead LG. Falling that though, I think all the repeated Shin nuclear attacks on LG turn him thermonuclear, and he wrecks house, culminating in a massive Shin-vaporizing pulse attack.

[@gavisinspacern1488]

@@YamiYaiba To be fair I think with LG Godzilla the same could be applied. For all the cosmic horror ridiculousness that Shin has, LG always seems to have some sort of get out of jail free card; I mean, he literally survived the oxygen destroyer for starters! 🤣 I think, to my mind, given that LG Godzilla was hardcore struggling against Mechagodzilla (Weakened yes, but nonetheless), I can't see LG feasibly beating Shin in a 1v1, with the exception of a convenient save from human allies... Or the oxygen destroyer I guess

[@perisos3891]

Shin is just too godlike for legendary . Also shin's primary ray straight cuts obstacles , there is no way the gman could evade his ray if not in close quarters . Shin's ray was so precise he could hit drones , which are absurdly smaller than gman.

[@goldendoomslayer6301]

I mean by GvK so was legendary go watch the hong kong scene again he cuts through half the city just like butter it isn't that big of a feat i still regard the earth drill to be superior

[@perisos3891]

@@goldendoomslayer6301 shin could easily do that as well , my point was legendary cannot hide behind buildings because they are like paper to shin

[@goldendoomslayer6301]

@@perisos3891 feats or he didnt do it..... I know shin can cut through buildings that wasn't in question however shun is alot of i can do this and this and this and he only has 1 movie to prove it i mean even Goji here is speculating i like shin but ill stuck to what he has actually done he hasnt grown wings it's unused he hasn't grown to be the size of the universe but he has shown that he's growing reproduction. Like i said i love shin he's a,badass monster but i think alot of people try to make him out to be that kid on the play ground that keeps coming up with powers just to say he has them to be "better"

[@perisos3891]

@@goldendoomslayer6301 well shin never fought a kaiju . This is all speculation, if we stick to facts only then we just Do not have enough "on picture" data for Shin . So why bother talking about it ? Well , that is the fun of it. Its Canon though that shin could evolve into those monstruosities, we will never see them though because shin godzilla is dead.

[@perisos3891]

Dead meaning we will not see him in another movie.