Remember These FORGOTTEN NFL Draft Busts? 2

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@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial Күн бұрын
Chad Pennington Facts: Only ever started a full season TWICE (constantly injured), Averaged 1600 passing yards a season, and his BEST year was 36 hundred yards and 19 touchdowns. For a first round pick, that's not very good.
@LASVEGASRAIDERS21
@LASVEGASRAIDERS21 Күн бұрын
"Not very good" and "BUST" are two different things. Please stop trying to justify why you put Chad Pennington on this list, you were wrong.
@EazY2484
@EazY2484 Күн бұрын
Drafted as high as he was and he played like a career back.. IF he wasn't hurt.. you must be a jets fan? Lol
@nightmar3116
@nightmar3116 Күн бұрын
@FootballLoreOfficial He played in the career of 89 games. And in those games, he had 17,823 passing yards. That's equates to 200.26 ypg, but even that is Diluted due to the number of games he left early with an injury. He's not great, but certainly not a bust. Also, with a positive touchdown to interception ratio. He also l led two teams to the playoffs. If it wasn't for brady being in that same draft class he would have been the best quarterback in the class. Bro, you just got this wrong.Just sit in a minute and take the L and quit doubling down
@Jon-k5t5e
@Jon-k5t5e 21 сағат бұрын
Bro they played different back then 36 alot for a jet chad was a really good QB just often injured and I'm a giants fan
@MichaelMartin-qe5ye
@MichaelMartin-qe5ye 15 сағат бұрын
You're able to reference his 2008 season where he had 3600 yards, but left out that he finished tied for second for league MVP? Either you didn't know that(shoddy research, it's right there on his pro football reference page) or did know that and left it out on purpose(omitting pertinent info to strengthen your argument).
@jpmnky
@jpmnky Күн бұрын
Chad Pennington is the only player to date that’s won Comeback Player of the Year twice. His career didn’t go where we all thought but he certainly was no bust.
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial Күн бұрын
I like my players actually playing the game personally
@zlinedavid
@zlinedavid Күн бұрын
@@FootballLoreOfficial4th overall pick. 68 games played over 7 years. Played in every regular season game only 3 times and started every regular season game only once. Split time over the second half of his career. Lead the league in a key category twice, but didn’t set any single season records. By your definitions, Gale Sayers is a bust.
@TH-rn4rf
@TH-rn4rf 22 сағат бұрын
⁠@@zlinedavidthere is zero chance this guy even knows who Gale Sayers is
@zlinedavid
@zlinedavid 21 сағат бұрын
@@TH-rn4rf Shhhhh! You’re ruining the trap I was setting! 😂
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial 8 сағат бұрын
No one would be calling Chad Pennington a bust if he had several 4k yard seasons, Gale Sayers had some of the highest yards per game ever. Where was Chad Pennington's 400 YPG average? Oh wait...he wasn't good enough
@teddexter3236
@teddexter3236 Күн бұрын
You cant call a guy a bust because he doesnt play the same after injuries.
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial Күн бұрын
so what do you call a first round pick that isn't good? "Draft pick that got injured and therefore couldn't play"
@SDC_Is_Me
@SDC_Is_Me Күн бұрын
​@FootballLoreOfficial You can definitely call him a bust. Tyler Lockett one year broke his leg and came back to play like the player he was before the injury.
@zlinedavid
@zlinedavid Күн бұрын
⁠@@FootballLoreOfficialYes. Not everything has to be “All Pro” or “Bust”. Anyone with a brain can tell there’s a difference between guys like Ryan Leaf compared to RG3.
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial 8 сағат бұрын
They're both busts, one was just more severe
@MichaelJrCortes
@MichaelJrCortes 7 сағат бұрын
@@FootballLoreOfficialRG3 was never the same after his knee injury. Leaf was just trash.
@Docmain3
@Docmain3 Күн бұрын
Yup, everyone agrees that Chad Pennington was no bust.
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial 8 сағат бұрын
mediocrity in New York! You guys aspire to be mid!
@leeroyv5345
@leeroyv5345 7 сағат бұрын
@@FootballLoreOfficialyou should have made a list about mid players drafted in the 1st round.
@Docmain3
@Docmain3 7 сағат бұрын
Dude won comeback player like three times and was second in MVP... Lore guy.
@Rromantiq
@Rromantiq 6 сағат бұрын
@Docmain3 I really appreciate this comment section knows ball and is defending Chad 🫡
@LASVEGASRAIDERS21
@LASVEGASRAIDERS21 6 сағат бұрын
​@@Rromantiqdude who made the video doesn't know shit about football.
@marcsarfati3291
@marcsarfati3291 Күн бұрын
On Chad Pennington 1) Randy Moss was on Marshal team with Chad 2) Chad’s NFL draft had Tom Brady in it. The jets picked Chad over Tom 3) Chad was not bust
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial Күн бұрын
barely being able to start a full season and making the playoffs twice is kinda a bust. He averaged 1,600 yards a season passing.
@carlossierra-ol9fb
@carlossierra-ol9fb Күн бұрын
@@FootballLoreOfficialyeah you don’t know ball. Chad Pennington lead two different franchises to the playoffs.
@nightmar3116
@nightmar3116 Күн бұрын
​@FootballLoreOfficial Bro was a literal Provo quarterback, led 2 teams to the playoffs and if it Brady wasn't Brady.Would have been the best quarterback in that class learn ball my man or at least do research
@nightmar3116
@nightmar3116 Күн бұрын
​@@carlossierra-ol9fbBro probably thinks peyton manning was a bust
@nightmar3116
@nightmar3116 Күн бұрын
@FootballLoreOfficial If you go by the amount of games that he played and his stats it averages out to a little bit over 200 passing yards per game. Not great, but given the error where there was a lot more rushing in the league as a whole. He was not a bad qb by any metric. He had 17,283 passing yards he played in 89 games that comes out to 200.25 ypg not great but no where near a bust. Also, that number is also deflated. A little bit due to the games that he left early due to injury.
@ryanhennessey7351
@ryanhennessey7351 Күн бұрын
Bro you are so dumb you said Chad Pennington was a bust even though he was one of or is the greatest Jets quarterback in the 2000s
@nightmar3116
@nightmar3116 Күн бұрын
The jets would have killed to have chad pennington for the past ten years
@jeremynitta1449
@jeremynitta1449 Күн бұрын
Think very carefully about what you said.
@savage751
@savage751 Күн бұрын
It's hard to detect tone in comments but I think there is a hint of sarcasm in the statement lol
@Jimplayer93
@Jimplayer93 Күн бұрын
I mean best....jets qb is something funny to say
@kenw2225
@kenw2225 Күн бұрын
Pennington was good. Even more surprising, he was good playing for the jets franchise
@euj0
@euj0 Күн бұрын
Can't take this Channel seriously after the Chad Pennington take.
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial 8 сағат бұрын
okay dont
@seanlamar29
@seanlamar29 Сағат бұрын
​@@FootballLoreOfficiallol
@Rromantiq
@Rromantiq 17 сағат бұрын
Chad Pennington being labeled as a bust is crazy. He won multiple playoff games and beating Peyton Manning in one of them. Was one of the most accurate quarterbacks in NFL history and won comeback player of the year while also being a Pro Bowler and somehow he's on a list with Byron Leftwich whose never come close to any of those accomplishments because he didn't throw for 4k in a season and was injured a lot? 😂
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial 8 сағат бұрын
He played for 2 full seasons. You go ahead and pick a franchise quarterback who's good for 2/11 seasons, I'm personally fine
@Rromantiq
@Rromantiq 8 сағат бұрын
@FootballLoreOfficial What don't you get about him beating Peyton Manning in playoffs is hard to understand lol. Did you watch him play or just dig up his stats? Did you see how bad the Jets were in 2003 and 2005 when he was injured as opposed to being a playoff team when he played most of their games? You trippin
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial 6 сағат бұрын
Okay, so in your mind a quarterback who starts 2 full seasons out of 11, one of them not being for the team that drafted him, it's okay if he had one good year?
@Rromantiq
@Rromantiq 6 сағат бұрын
@FootballLoreOfficial You did not watch this man play at all brah lol. How many busts win multiple playoff games? How many busts even make it to the playoffs 4 times? That outweighs any argument you have against him alone you can keep doubling down though because he didn't play enough games for you.
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial 5 сағат бұрын
Several, hell even Trent Dilfer has a superbowl. Jeff Hostetler, Brock Osweiler, Tim Tebow, Rex Grossman all have multiple playoff wins. I will keep double down because I'm right LOL. But hey man, I hope you get a franchise QB that plays 1 full season for you.
@nicktaylor2657
@nicktaylor2657 20 сағат бұрын
Gaines Adams shouldn't be on this list He passed away after getting traded to the Bears at 26 He never played for them 😢
@nightmar3116
@nightmar3116 12 сағат бұрын
If I remember correctly, he had a type of heart condition. The man was never really given a chance
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial 8 сағат бұрын
He just wasn't that good
@nightmar3116
@nightmar3116 Күн бұрын
OKI know what you're saying, Chad pensend one because he was in the same class is Brady, but nobody knew that Tom Brady would be what he became Chad.Pennington was a pro bowl quarterback good qb for both the jets and dolphins Please do research next time
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial Күн бұрын
He was a BUST buster. Never throwing for 4k yards and averaged 1600 yds passing a season LMAO.
@billymayshere6128
@billymayshere6128 6 сағат бұрын
​@@FootballLoreOfficial Okay time for you to quit youtube you clearly know jack shit about what qualifies as a bust and that makes everything else you do fake as shit
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial 6 сағат бұрын
He started 2 out of 11 seasons. One of them not for the Jets. If you drafted a 1st round QB and he only ever played 1 full season for you, would you not consider that a bust?
@billymayshere6128
@billymayshere6128 6 сағат бұрын
@FootballLoreOfficial Nope i don't, i had Teddy Bridgewaters knee demonstrate that an injury can change anything. Not a bust just bad luck same as Chad
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial 6 сағат бұрын
I mean we can agree to disagree I guess. I consider a bust anyone who doesn't do what the Franchise expected/needed them to do consistently. So if we don't agree on that then we'll never see eye to eye on that. It's not that Pennington is a bad guy/it's his fault, you just need to play full seasons for me
@Outlaw8908
@Outlaw8908 Күн бұрын
Chad Pennington a bust? No I would not go that far. Jets just really stink.
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial 8 сағат бұрын
2/11 starting seasons
@emekaamerican863
@emekaamerican863 Күн бұрын
I'll never call Chad Pennington a bust. Sucks he had that shoulder injury but he wasn't a bad QB. He wasn't a star. If my Ravens had a player like Pennington instead of Kyle Boler we'd probably had another championship.
@youtubenoob9584
@youtubenoob9584 21 сағат бұрын
Dude once they got Flacco i loved the ravens, then they got Lamar and it's like ncaa14 fantasy on madden lol
@youtubenoob9584
@youtubenoob9584 21 сағат бұрын
Lamar's a🐐
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial 8 сағат бұрын
2/11 starting seasons
@benjaminbrown5143
@benjaminbrown5143 12 сағат бұрын
If Byron Leftwhich didn't get hurt n went to a better team, I think he would have been better
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial 8 сағат бұрын
facts
@cainmack6982
@cainmack6982 Күн бұрын
Couldn’t be more off about Chad Pennington, the dude was a solid QB and led the team to its only home playoff game this century
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial Күн бұрын
that's more of a roast on the Jets than a defense of Pennington LOL
@LASVEGASRAIDERS21
@LASVEGASRAIDERS21 Күн бұрын
​@@FootballLoreOfficial​​ Just admit you were wrong about Pennington rather than spending all this time and effort copying and pasting his stats and arguing with ACTUAL football fans who watched the dude play.
@nightmar3116
@nightmar3116 12 сағат бұрын
@LASVEGASRAIDERS21 Nah let him argue I like making Him look like an idiot
@cainmack6982
@cainmack6982 12 сағат бұрын
@@FootballLoreOfficial he’s not even in the top 10 of draft blunders this franchise has made. Look at Kyle Wilson, Dee Milliner, Darron Lee, Calvin Pryor, Quinton Coples, Christian Hackenberg, Stephen Hill… the list is immense with draft busts and you pick the dude that has been the closest thing to franchise QB for the Jets? You’re just flat out wrong dude
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial 8 сағат бұрын
You're right you can't use stats to compare players, you have to sniff their jock strap like you guys do
@zlinedavid
@zlinedavid Күн бұрын
You’re going to die on that Chad Pennington hill, aren’t you? 1. You’re acting like there’s nothing in between “All Pro” and “Bust”. There is a middle ground where a guy might not have been worthy of as high of a pick as was used on him, but that doesn’t make him a bust. You can have an ok-ish solid career without being a bust. 2. Pennington doesn’t even fall into the “bust because of injuries” category. That’s for guys like Ki-Jana Carter that got hurt off the bat. People today are consumed by “something has to be in one bucket or the other, no in between” and that’s simply not reality. There’s ranges to everything, including evaluating draft picks.
@nightmar3116
@nightmar3116 12 сағат бұрын
@@zlinedavid He could have literally just said Trent Dillfer
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial 8 сағат бұрын
You left 4 comments literally slurping the skin off Chad Pennington, do you have a crush on him?
@zlinedavid
@zlinedavid 8 сағат бұрын
@ Has nothing to do with Pennington. You’re showing what a short fuse you have and it’s getting fun pressing your buttons.
@MenverMan
@MenverMan Күн бұрын
As a broncos fan I do remember Courtney being good against the run but had no explosiveness left after all the injuries
@zlinedavid
@zlinedavid 21 сағат бұрын
The fact you keep throwing up the “1600 yards per season” stat shows either your lack of knowledge of statistics or your inability to admit that you maybe made the wrong call on Pennington. Yes, when you divide 17,823 yards by 11 years, you get 1618 yards per season. Now, divide those 17,823 yards by 89 career games. 200 yards per game. Times 16 is…3204 yards per 16 games. That’s a respectable amount. Not HOF level, but a decent amount. Now let’s look at the 2 seasons he started 16 games: 3653 and 3352 yards…would you look at that? Right near his career average. Spin the statistics all you want. They can always be spun the other way.
@nightmar3116
@nightmar3116 12 сағат бұрын
@@zlinedavid Thank you I literally said d*** there.The exact same thing
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial 8 сағат бұрын
So you're admitting to spinning statistics too? He played in 2/11 seasons, I'm sorry you Jets fans praise mediocrity so hard.
@zlinedavid
@zlinedavid 8 сағат бұрын
@ Jets? I’m not that much of a masochist. I’m a Bengals fan, so still somewhat.
@jandrewhearne
@jandrewhearne Күн бұрын
In Tyson Jackson’s defense, he was over drafted and also a five technique end, who typically don’t rack up great stats. He should’ve probably been a late first or early second.
@macalloway1
@macalloway1 Күн бұрын
In defense of Gaines Adams he had a deadly congenital heart condition. It’s impossible to know if it effect an elite athlete on the field and in workouts. Back in those days they would want guys to play through being “really tired” . See Trent Williams. He had cancer and reported symptoms and they tried to get him to play through it
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial Күн бұрын
Yeah, his injury drastically messed up his explosiveness
@MurduckMysteries
@MurduckMysteries Күн бұрын
Many comments here disagreeing about Chad Pennington. I shall join them. Very much so ludicrous to call him a bust. You take his career average in passing yards while completely ignoring 2006 and 2008 where he was statistically a top 10 QB. Even in 2002 he finished top 15 in passing. He was also VERY accurate, leading the NFL in completion percentage TWICE and top 8 five times. The guy was not a bust, not even close. Pennington has the 20th best passer rating of all time, with only Andrew Luck and Joe Flacco joining him as non-HOF passers. It's like you chose to pick on him when you have Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsay, Kyle Boller, Tim Rattay, Quincy Carter, JP Losman, and a slew of other true busts to use.
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial 8 сағат бұрын
damn 2 good seasons is crazy
@LASVEGASRAIDERS21
@LASVEGASRAIDERS21 6 сағат бұрын
​@@FootballLoreOfficialHe wasn't a fucking bust dude. Take your L and quit arguing with real football fans. You don't know shit about football. Pick a new lane.
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial 6 сағат бұрын
I would say like at least 7,500 more people care about what I say about football than you.
@MurduckMysteries
@MurduckMysteries 5 сағат бұрын
@@FootballLoreOfficial What kind of response is that? I laid out tangible reasons and you wanna try and flex? Whatever dude. Most commenters here agree. Clearly you're unreasonable and are willing to die on this hill.
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial 3 сағат бұрын
ok dad thanks for the lecture
@nightmar3116
@nightmar3116 12 сағат бұрын
You could have literally said Trent dilfer and been perfectly fine.But instead you argue about chad pennington who was a good qb for his era
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial 8 сағат бұрын
chad pennington played 2 full seasons brother
@clavenbostic8212
@clavenbostic8212 Күн бұрын
Sorry dude but Chad was good both with the jets and the dolphins, to say hes a bust because he got hurt.....you smoking crack arent you, hell he even righted the dolphins for a few years...i worry about you sometimez
@LASVEGASRAIDERS21
@LASVEGASRAIDERS21 Күн бұрын
Dude must be young as fuck and never actually watched Pennington play. Real football fans know Chad Pennington was not a bust.
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial 8 сағат бұрын
alright you can think that
@MrMusick84
@MrMusick84 Күн бұрын
Chad Pennington is the farthest bust as a QB. That’s a fail.
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial 8 сағат бұрын
jets fans are delusional
@MrMusick84
@MrMusick84 4 сағат бұрын
@ I’m not a Jets fan. Just a football fan who speaks up on horrible takes.
@BillyBob-wq9fl
@BillyBob-wq9fl Күн бұрын
I watched Penningtons career.. I wont allow you to call him a bust.. He was talented and solid.. It was a brutal game back then.. it was not the sissy diva league it is now..
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial 8 сағат бұрын
It seems like every 10 years people go "Man the game 10 years ago was so much worse"
@street1111
@street1111 Күн бұрын
Leftwich wasn't a bust he had no help
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial 8 сағат бұрын
lol
@SplitSauce2289
@SplitSauce2289 Сағат бұрын
The Adams pick was so bad because they didn't just miss on pro bowlers, they missed on multiple first ballot Hall of famers that are arguably the goats of their respective positions. He was so dominant in college, it's hard to say what he could have been. He really had the potential to be a great.
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial Сағат бұрын
facts
@tylerwatkins341
@tylerwatkins341 9 сағат бұрын
Great video
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial 8 сағат бұрын
Thanks!
@austinbobstin4796
@austinbobstin4796 Күн бұрын
Matt Elam had them pounds on him 😂 i remember seeing the post he uploaded before he got booked
@Bahamautzero
@Bahamautzero Күн бұрын
Pennington wasn’t a bust, a bit disappointing perhaps
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial 8 сағат бұрын
ok
@earlridleniv5110
@earlridleniv5110 Күн бұрын
lowkey based on what you said about courtney brown it sounds like he was really good and just consistently hurt
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial Күн бұрын
You gotta be able to play the game most of the time
@DonJohnJay
@DonJohnJay Күн бұрын
This dude is a clown 😂. Doesn't think why teams are drafting needs at the time or how bad some of these drafts were. How dare a team draft the best availble DE they needed and not a RB. What a joke 😂
@zlinedavid
@zlinedavid Күн бұрын
Some truth to that. Tampa didn’t look at AP or Lynch because they had Cadillac Williams, who was coming off of being the Offensive ROY 2 seasons prior and hadn’t gone through his big run of injuries yet. They didn’t take Revis because they had Ronde Barber coming off an All Pro season at one corner and a combination of Philip Buchanon (a solid 10+ year pro) and Brian Kelly (former league leader in picks) at the other corner. They didn’t look at Willis because they had Derrick Brooks, Jeremiah Trotter, Cato June and Barrett Ruud at LB. They didn’t draft Greg Olson because they had a reliable veteran in Anthony Becht at tight end, and Olson was considered a bust for several years anyway, even after he was dealt to Carolina. The point of this isn’t to compare Anthony Becht to Greg Olson or Barrett Ruud to Patrick Willis. The point is at the time they drafted Gaines Adams, they didn’t see those positions as positions of need. They did have a need at DE due to the more-or-less career ending injury to Simeon Rice. And they were kind of screwed in any direction taking a DE, given that the best DE in that draft was LaMar Woodley, and he wasn’t taken until mid-2nd round. Was Adams a bad pick? In hindsight, yes. But it’s a cheap move to say “Yeah, but they could have picked XYZ”.
@DonJohnJay
@DonJohnJay Күн бұрын
@zlinedavid not only that, it's cheap to call some of these guys bust due to injuries. Bust in my eyes is Jamarcus, Leaf, & Bosworth. They were just awful, not hindered by injuries.
@zlinedavid
@zlinedavid 21 сағат бұрын
@@DonJohnJay Agree. I’ve always said there needs to be a “Bust*” category if you’re classifying draft picks. Russell, Leaf, Akili Smith…straight busts. Ki-Jana Carter, Andy Katzenmoyer, etc….we’ll never know what they could have done. If you want to define “bust” as “not getting value for the pick” fine. But at least the second group has a clear reason as to why, aside from the fact that “they weren’t good enough”.
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial 8 сағат бұрын
....so they were better off with Gaines Adams than Adrian Peterson? You can say that with a straight face?
@zlinedavid
@zlinedavid 8 сағат бұрын
@ Not what I’m saying at all. I’m saying there’s a justified reason as to why they didn’t take AP at the time.
@tonymcfly84
@tonymcfly84 9 сағат бұрын
I hope this comment section flame the shit out of you for this idiotic Chad Pennington take.
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial 8 сағат бұрын
Tony you think I'm afraid of youtube comments?
@MurduckMysteries
@MurduckMysteries 5 сағат бұрын
@@FootballLoreOfficial Naw keep swinging man. You'll convince us all of your brilliance at this rate.
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial 3 сағат бұрын
I'm really concerned with what you think about me. If Murduck Mysteries doesnt like me whatever will you do
@Gungho73
@Gungho73 Күн бұрын
Judging by the comments I think the critical difference of opinion between FootballLore and his audience seems to be about what can be considered controllable outcomes and not. The defenders of Chad Pennington know from an intellectual, work ethic arm talent standpoint Chad had all the makings of being a franchise QB or at the very least a QB you could rest your hat on and know he was capable of leading you to a win. It's also important to remember for one, for a younger generation, that some rule changes have definitely helped change the perfection of QB's even from the early aughts. A QB like Matt Hasselbeck has 28 TD's and 12 INT's in a west coast style offense and is considered one of the best QB's of his year. Having 12 INT's now gets you close to the league leaders, and having under 30 even in a west coast style offense makes you feel like he's underperforming (he's not). 60% completion was the barometer, not the expectation. 4,000 yard passers belonged to at best, the top 5 QB's for many years and not even that (2-3 and those were considered pass heavy offenses). Midway into the aughts and heading to the 2010's, the expectation was 5 minimum and usually about 8 a year. Point being, that's not a fair barometer to make when most of his contemporaries weren't matching those numbers. The argument people and FL seem to be having, almost a joke of one at this point, is whether a player is considered a draft bust if they are unable to remain healthy. It is very apparent that FootballLore, based on some of these entries, believes that a player should be held accountable for their body breaking down and limiting their capacity and potential overhead as a player on the field. Many of those arguing in defense of Pennington are pointing out when healthy, he was a good QB in his era and that his body failing him doesn't mean the draft decisions (or later free agent decisions depending on trajectories) made were wrong. Which is true and their logic is correct. A healthy Pennington for say, 8-12 years that suited up for say 13 or more games each year would've by what we saw, justified his draft position by at least being a solid top 16 if not 10 QB who could've taken another step for his franchise(s). FootballLores argument (apologies for speaking for you) is that in terms of the promise that is being a franchise QB, availability is just as important as anything else and him not being available for most of his seasons or for large durations means you cannot say looking back, those teams would've signed up for him once again. Which in his mind, makes him a bust. His logic is ALSO correct. You're all arguing about something that is effectively a matter of opinion on how "fair" hindsight should be. The people in the Pennington camp are essentially saying, busts should be players that actively take no advantage of their opportunities, are immature (drug or alcohol abuse) or lack work ethic/motivation, or flat out were misdiagnosed as players who could translate to the NFL (players who were drafted because they were track stars in college and not because they could understand what the term zone coverage even meant at the high school level). A player like a Johnny Manziel for example, effectively drank himself out of the league and even in the best of circumstances with focus was likely a player that could NOT play in the NFL. That you look at the person not the numbers. The people, mainly FootballLore but there are those in his camp as well that shouldn't be ignored out of respect, say what ultimately matters is what you put on the field especially for your draft organization (but not necessarily just for those in some cases). Even if Pennington averaged 250-300 yards every game he played (with those games he started being the exact same) and 2 TD's, FL would probably not have changed his mind because so much of his career is "what if" and not "but reality though" because of how many games he missed. The best ability is availability. Ultimately he failed to fufill that promise as an NFL QB because of it and had he not been a first round QB, he might've viewed the situation differently and not included him on the list at all. I'm tired of writing yall please calm down? Please?
@Kylora2112
@Kylora2112 Күн бұрын
Yeah, a bust requires a combination of massive hype and a complete lack of performance. Akili Smith was a bust because he was awful on the field. Ki-jana Carter isn't because he blew his knee out on his first carry in the the preseason so he never really got the chance to play. Chad Pennington was just a very solid QB that you expect to get from a late first round pick.
@zlinedavid
@zlinedavid 21 сағат бұрын
@@Kylora2112Based on the fact you picked Smith and Carter as examples….#WHODEY?
@Kylora2112
@Kylora2112 20 сағат бұрын
@zlinedavid Yeah, also because similar time frame on the same team. Who dey.
@zlinedavid
@zlinedavid 20 сағат бұрын
@@Kylora2112 Not that the 90s Bengals have a shortage of questionable draft picks. 😂 Also, unless Akili was the 2nd coming of Joe Montana, he was still a bad pick because they actually turned down the entire Saints draft that year to pick him.
@Kylora2112
@Kylora2112 20 сағат бұрын
@zlinedavid I still curse Mike Brown for that.
@mark_kline
@mark_kline 21 сағат бұрын
Tyson Jackson shouldn’t have been drafted that high
@jpmnky
@jpmnky Күн бұрын
Man, the Chiefs had rough 2008 and 2009 first rounders. Dorsey and Jackson both did literally nothing.
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial Күн бұрын
Literally nothing
@jeffreykoch122
@jeffreykoch122 Күн бұрын
I remember glenn dorsey coming out of college, and everyone thought he was gonna be a game wrecker coming out of lsu.
@earlridleniv5110
@earlridleniv5110 Күн бұрын
i would never have thought so many people would be so hurt at insulting chad pennington
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial Күн бұрын
I didn't know he was the sacred cow
@LASVEGASRAIDERS21
@LASVEGASRAIDERS21 Күн бұрын
​@@FootballLoreOfficialHe isn't a sacred cow. He just wasn't a bust. When you say wrong things, expect to get corrected.
@clavenbostic8212
@clavenbostic8212 Күн бұрын
@@earlridleniv5110 dallas fan here and if jerry had drafted him the year he came out, we wouldnt have had those Quincy Carter, Anthony Wright, Drew Hensin years, trust us Chad was not a bust, solid player whos body betrayed him, your list was straight till you got to him
@LASVEGASRAIDERS21
@LASVEGASRAIDERS21 Күн бұрын
Nobody is hurt. We're just telling the guy he's wrong.
@zlinedavid
@zlinedavid 21 сағат бұрын
Of course… the “your feelings are hurt” comment. Do you young’uns not realize that debating stuff back and forth like this is the fun part of sports? There is no right or wrong answer, it’s all about how you defend your position. Debates like this have taken place on playgrounds and in bars for decades. Mays vs Mantle. Montana vs Marino. Bonds vs Griffey (yes, this was an actual debate at one point 😂). Bird vs Magic. Peyton vs Brady. Nowadays it’s just “I think this”, “I think differently”, “SIMP! STAN! UR BUTTHURT BRO!”. Got bad news for y’all: there will never be a definitive answer to all your “GOAT” debates. The fun isn’t in finding the answer, the fun is in defending your pick at that point in time.
@zlinedavid
@zlinedavid 20 сағат бұрын
Oh, and just to nitpick, because why not… Penn State Nittany Lions, not “Penn State Lions” Caption says “1981 Bengals”. Footage shows Boomer Esiason, who wasn’t drafted until 1984. And yes, if you want to be taken seriously as a content creator, little details like that matter. The latter example shows that you may have just found old Bengals footage and slapped it up there, then called it 1981 since that was a Super Bowl season. If you were willing to take a shortcut there, where else might have you taken shortcuts in your research? That’s how people evaluate videos. If you expected to half-ass slap something together and have people blowing you in the comments saying how great you are, you’re in the wrong game.
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial 8 сағат бұрын
I don't care if you take me seriously, you guys raging in the comments gets me more engagement so go off
@zlinedavid
@zlinedavid 8 сағат бұрын
@ “raging”. Once again, playing to the extremes. You do realize people can disagree without being emotionally invested, right?
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial 6 сағат бұрын
you left a crap ton of comments for something you're apparently not invested in
@skelderon64
@skelderon64 16 сағат бұрын
Chad who?😅
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial 8 сағат бұрын
pptin
@Lando71333
@Lando71333 8 сағат бұрын
It’s not too late to delete this video
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial 6 сағат бұрын
or what? You'll make a song about it?
@andre0239-wd7ng
@andre0239-wd7ng Күн бұрын
great video
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial Күн бұрын
thank you
@SouthFloridaMan
@SouthFloridaMan 5 сағат бұрын
12k Views But Not Even 300 Likes 😂😂😂😂 Yikes, Just Find Another Topic
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial 2 сағат бұрын
thanks for the view
@boseph-o8587
@boseph-o8587 Күн бұрын
The comments about Chad Pennington is hilarious 😅. Don’t be a Chad and get mad.
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial Күн бұрын
Chad Pennington, the mid QB with more stan accounts than Zach Wilson
@nightmar3116
@nightmar3116 Күн бұрын
​@FootballLoreOfficial Or maybe you just can't admit you're wrong. If you wanna go down by stats we can do that. He played in 89 career games and had 17,823 career passing yards and had a positive TD to INT ratio. That averages to 200.26 ypg So not elite but certainly not a bust. Also, that number is dilutedue to the number of games.He left early with an injury. We don't think he's the goat.We're telling you that he was a decent quarterback and you were wrong. He also had a career record of 44-37 as a starter so yeah decent but no where near a bust
@FootballLoreOfficial
@FootballLoreOfficial 8 сағат бұрын
If my QB only played 2 full seasons out of 11 I would be pissed, but you Jets fans kiss him
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