Remote ID in Canada: NAV CANADA Reveals Their Plan

[@danzillatheterrible]

Thanks for the heads up and translation! I appreciate you!

[@DonJoyce]

You're welcome, Dan

[@00fluxone]

still no path for kids to go fly a foamie or racing drone in an open field without fear of fines or onerous qualifications (registration, advanced operations for most populated areas, min age 14)

[@davestredulinsky]

Looks like an interesting NAV Canada "Concept of Operations" documents. Thanks for taking the time to present it to us.

[@DonJoyce]

Thanks Dave!

[@RC-Flight]

I have a spark and fly it all the time and LOVE it 💕 ❤️ 💗

[@DonJoyce]

I think my Spark was a lemon...or cursed. I certainly cursed at it a lot!

[@eddyg1794]

@@RC-Flight Still have my Spark. Was my first drone. It’s still an awesome little flier

[@RC-Flight]

@@eddyg1794 for me, it’s all I need! Have five batteries but only ever have used up two at any given time. Was using it just the other day.

[@PinetreeLine]

Thanks so much for explaining the document Don. Appreciate it Brother!

[@DonJoyce]

Thanks, Doug!

[@evanscc70]

Concept of Operations or ConOps is a military term vital to starting and the basis of any mission. Glad to see it.

[@JS1951]

Thanks Don. Very informative as always

[@DonJoyce]

Glad you liked it.

[@DimmyV]

Thanks for the video Don

[@DonJoyce]

You're very welcome, Dimmy!

[@JBrierley02]

Unfortunately we all know that once it goes into effect it will cover all drones. That’s what Bureaucracy does. Starts reasonable and by the end of the road it’s a mess of incomprehensible rules and arbitrary commercial special-interest restrictions from their “consultations”. But maybe I’m just jaded from seeing it happen over and over and over and over and over and over again!

[@DonJoyce]

I hear you....but remain hopeful that "this time it will be different". And by 'hopeful', I mean I will work seriously to guide this thing towards the reasonable and sane.

[@JBrierley02]

@DonJoyce And we all appreciate that Don!

[@Tango4N]

As a licensed firearms owner for 40 years I have seen this and concur.

[@rayang9929]

@@DonJoyce Really appreciate you!

[@offtheground9152]

Informative as usual, thanks for the update Don!

[@jimsdroneing]

more great info Don glad transport canada not being paranoid with drones as USA is

[@Aerosnapper]

Great insights into a complicated concept and document. NAV CANADA should seek some advice from the 'Plain English Association'. Not every drone pilot is engaged in commercial activity or likely to spend a lot of time on studying complex arrangements. If recreational users face a challenge in understanding this document and the arrangements it proposes, they're unlikely to comment - and nothing good would result. Thank goodness you are providing some interpretive assistance and keeping an eye on this issue.

[@DonJoyce]

Thank you, Mike!

[@javelinexile]

Glad you mention blackout areas. I operate mostly in blacked out areas lol

[@DonJoyce]

Good plan. Keep everyone guessing.

[@saturn_fpv]

What's meant by that?

[@javelinexile]

​@robert-gille some areas I operate in have poor or n cell service. These plans look like they are assuming you will have some network connection for them to work.

[@carlosamat]

thank you… Don

[@privacylawyer]

Thanks, Don. I'll be interested to look at this more closely. Electronic conspicuity (in the form of ADS-B) should be mandatory for all crewed aircraft in Canada. General aviation doesn't own the airspace and the most likely technology that would reduce the risk of any collision would be mandatory ADS-B and the ability to pull the online feeds into the RPAS operator's remote. Imagine if your remote could tell you before takeoff that there's a helicopter at 500ft over the horizon, headed to your zone of operation.

[@DonJoyce]

Thanks David! Yes, mandatory ADS-B out would tremendously improve safety. We tried to build an ADS-B warning system into Drone Pilot Canada, but the data providers wanted an arm and a leg.

[@ORGANIZEDCoNfUsioN]

Thanks for all your knowledge on this topic Don....there is SO much. Like # 169

[@DonJoyce]

Thank you, Dave!

[@3dvisionservices364]

Oh yeh!! THANK YOU!!!!

[@pithon3d477]

Thanks Don. This is what many consider micromanagement. The last company i worked for was a publicly traded company that felt the need to micromanage. Employees bought out the majority of shares and fired all the management team. It went on to become an awesome company. This document sounds like a classic example of people attempting to justify their jobs. None of this should apply to sub 250 drones. This is a classic case of overreach.

[@DonJoyce]

This doesn't apply to sub 250g drones. And the proposed approach actually seems well aligned to the risk, in my opinion.

[@lambo_drives]

Great review of a ton of information. Love the candor ✌🏻😊

[@coreyman00]

Fun just like my work, all the acronym and sops

[@DonJoyce]

Exactly...and well played..."SOPs"!

[@valksoftandroid2534]

Thanks!

[@DonJoyce]

Welcome!

[@L8again902]

The old saying, if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with BS. These documents follow this rule to a t. We "shouldn't" need you to translate, but here we are.

[@MadMajor86]

Thanks, Don. Interesting outlook. COOs are certainly an acquired taste 😂 But it's nice to see forward thinking.

[@DonJoyce]

Yes, good to a possible path forward and able to at least comment on it, if not influence.

[@billmcdonald4335]

Eight categories of operation, yet none of them are specific to FPV operations. Why does TC continue to ignore this? Until they get their act together regarding FPV, we who do it are basically restricted to sub-250g toys. It's the only way to conform with current regulations, it appears to me. Makes one consider becoming a scofflaw. . .

[@DonJoyce]

They really should address FPV soon, but in this case, the types of operation are (somewhat strangely...I think its one of those 'you had to be there'' decisions) sorted by the flight pattern. Still weird to differentiate between some of these. Probably based on who was in the room.

[@billmcdonald4335]

@@DonJoyce Agreed. Buncha GA types trying to think like drone operators. That's my guess.

[@Warpig639]

Hey Don, I have tried to contact you through the app and I left one message on video you made and you did get back to me with your email address. However, the email address does not work and trying to contact you through the app does not work I’ve checked everything on my end. I can’t figure out what’s wrong, but the question I have is about remote remote ID in the US the drones that are going there are all remote ID capable. I just bought a drone in 2024 and I’m wondering if it is going to be remote ID capable the same as the US or am going to have to glue something onto it?

[@DonJoyce]

Hi...my email address [e-mail] does indeed work...at least according to the dozens of emails I receive every day. Lots are automatically detected as spam, which may have included yours. Answer to your question: remote ID is not required in Canada. DJI drones (at least) purchased in Canada do have remote ID, but it is not active in Canada. When you are in the US, it will automatically activate. That's what I've been told...

[@Warpig639]

@@DonJoyce I can’t figure out what could possibly be wrong but that it is probably something on my end if I send emails to myself I get them. I get email every day from other people and I’m using Gmail go figure lol . Thanks so much for your reply.

[@smackfpv]

Lets' see all manned aircraft with ADS-B or other remote I.D. technology before you go after unmanned. I also agree with some of the other comments that once a bureaucracy starts it will take over and all user will be lumped into the same pile. Another thing is for all the individuals who are hobbyist's and take the time to design build and fly FPV aircraft (not drones) that they recreationally race or fly with others for fun who probably fly way more hours than the over the counter "drone" camera platforms but have not been really counted or considered.

[@driewiel]

Canada is very remote.

[@the1andonly]

Things are changing fast in the drone world. But good to know that we won't end up like the US with RID. I spent some time in Mexico this winter. Their rules are nice and simple (for now) and sub 250 gram drones can fly almost anywhere.

[@DonJoyce]

Good to know...thanks!

[@billkulcsar5818]

This will be for all drones from I understand, including sub 250? Recreational flyers still zero changes(sofar..) This is to be more for using for business needs? Site surveying, transport of products etc. Since your flying in controlled airspaces(more dangerous areas)?? when trying to gain permission to fly, would have to ask though some website/app, will it be instant or you have to wait days for someone to review the request? If I wrong in all this,sorry. I only have sub 250 drone but treat it like a bigger one, its good to learn all this, so the hobby doesnt get ruined.

[@DonJoyce]

Hi Bill! This layer of operations applies only to drones over 250g. And yes, most of the scenarios they are discussing are for larger drones flying beyond visual line of site, typically in commercial, first responder, or other larger-organization roles. All requests for authorization would go through apps or websites, where normally there would be a set of flight characteristics that could be automatically approved and others that may require manual intervention.

[@guyoreilly5670]

Thank you, very informative. This seems to attract layers of fees and costs to be added by various "external" providers of services. The hobby is no longer the fun pastime it once was.

[@DonJoyce]

Well, for the most part, the external service providers will be providing specialized services for larger commercial operations...and specialized service providers are not generally charities!

[@AnotherBrownKid]

Why do you look like Hank from breaking bad in your thumbnail

[@DonJoyce]

Second career.

[@duanerichardson1669]

Guess we will have to see how this plays out, one thing I will say is it's very strange how 2030 seems to be such a KEY date for many things to come in the way we live our lives right down to the gasoline cars they want to take away from us. thanks for the work you put into your videos Don.

[@AdventureTravelandScuba]

2030 WEF concept You will own nothing and be happy do not comply with any bullshit they throw at us. The less people comply the higher chance of having more freedom

[@canuckcorsa]

Thanks Don. But tell me, how the heck does this apply to a bunch of old farts who want to fly on a Sunday afternoon who simply want to fly for fun in a private field no wherenear controlled airspace?.

[@DonJoyce]

Old farts in uncontrolled airspace are free to fly as they are now. Which I realize isn't ideal.

[@Ebikeadventure5981]

Thank you Don. The Airspace landscape is certainly expanding. Of course the devil is in the details. In this publication there is nothing about costs. If estimated costs were published it would turn off a few people. Some estimated costs are needed.

[@DonJoyce]

Perhaps in a later round.

[@Vegan_Cooking_Show]

BVLOS WHE... 2025?

[@NorthcoastDrone]

Ah yes the DJI Spark. that was my humble beginning in the RPAS world. Great video Don and thanks for keeping us all updated.

[@DonJoyce]

Thanks, Alex! My Spark was a lemon.

[@MicheIIePucca]

I have to wonder, the use of drones as a enormously effective tool used by Ukraine to reduce the Russian inventory of both equipment and soldiers, must have our Government worried about potential "Terrorism" here. Unfortunately the logic used so far in Canada, doesn't always make sense though.

[@Ebikeadventure5981]

New battle space. Glad to hear that the Canadian Forces now has a Drone Squadron....

[@shortclipsvictoria789]

Soon a person with depression will be able to get medical assistance in dying, but can't fly a toy plane at their local park.

[@DonJoyce]

That's depressing.

[@shortclipsvictoria789]

@@DonJoyce - Don't tell the government you're depressed! 😂

[@eddyg1794]

I wonder how many recreational drone pilots have NEVER flown beyond VLOS? My guess is very, very few. Which makes most of us C grade criminals lol.

[@DonJoyce]

It really doesn't take much distance to have your drone disappear on you.

[@RandomPickles]

Guess I am quitting the hobby for the second time.

[@DonJoyce]

Why?

[@RandomPickles]

@@DonJoyce Maybe if they keep the words they have now, about not messing with hobbyists too much, it will be ok. But that is a scenario I have very little trust in, unfortunately.

[@Aerosnapper]

@@RandomPickles I think that the big issue here is that the vast majority of folk who fly drones do so because they are a 'flying camera' offering unique views. It's mildly surprising, since that's the case, that limiting artistic expression doesn't feature more prominently in comments about regulation.

[@TeeEmmCee]

@@Aerosnapper That's an excellent point, Mike. I hadn't thought of the flying camera and artistic expression aspects before, and how they are not more prominently addressed in these things. Surely ways can be found to allow us to safely and responsibly fly our cameras into some of the most beautiful parts of our country, as an example; those areas that are forbidden today. Thank you. //Tom

[@flightographist]

It appears they are considering, or at least presenting the optics of considering, the status quo with regard to sub 250 vlos platforms. Six yrs is a long time in the political realm though. I find myself distrustful of the optics, take for example the repeated high profile bvlos Shennanigans taking place at the Gordie Howe Bridge. It seems every dingle with a dangle is flying right across the border to get images of both halves of the closing span; they have been at it for months documenting their disregard for the lax law and enforcement we enjoy here in Canada with our sub 250's. Judging by the number of dingly danglers watching the 'content' you can be sure it is monitored by the working group.

[@seanpaul211]

Thanks for the update, recreation flyers are safe for now🥹

[@DonJoyce]

Yep!