Gain Muscle While Losing Fat Possible?

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[@ChadAV69]

I’m 32% bodyfat with an FFMI of around 19, so I’m a beginner. Recomping is really working for me. The trick is recovery. You have to optimize recovery since you don’t have the excess food to help you. I sleep 8-9 hours a night and only train to 2-3RIR and it’s like I’m on roids.

[@radicalgreek99]

Resting is the best thing for muscle gain. I noticed when I first started out lifting I would be at the gym every day doing splits because I had the Arnold book and followed it. I realized I wasn't getting enough rest for growth I did get bigger but I wanted to get defined. I ended up here now where I am going to the gym 4 days a week doing heavy duty Mike Menzer style and I have noticed a huge difference in my overall feel and body.

[@saadmandu]

What do you mean only 2-3 rirs as in 2-3 days ?

[@evanatthegym]

@@saadmandureps in reserve until failure

[@darshkatiyar7d74]

Hey really intrested abt ffmi calculated mine it came at 22 percent and i am 15 yrs old what foes it mean???

[@meeks726]

​@@darshkatiyar7d74means u very fet need stop play video games

[@mikearonson1071]

I am on a caloric deficit in a cutting phase. I eat more than enough protein to gain lean muscle while losing fat, but have not gained any new muscle at all. I am merely maintaining my muscle mass while burning fat. I have lost 1/2 inch on my arms from water retention loss. But, I'm looking amazing. Actually looking forward to my next bulk in 3 months. I will eat 100% clean on this next bulk phase to try and maintain my definition.

[@mr.tbennington]

Can confirm. Dropped fat from 227 to 208 in 12-15 weeks recomp from 208-205 swapping about 10 pounds of fat for 7 pounds of muscle too a full year. Now cutting fat again from 205 to 181 and shooting for low 170s

[@algf150]

So you started the gym at 227 dropped to 208 than you started bulking and cutting

[@mr.tbennington]

@@algf150 not exactly. I was in a slight deficit for a year. Lost fat and gained muscle according to an electric impedance scale. It’s a much slower process than just having stuck to a cut until it was time to build. Also is super easy to get wrong and make no progress.

[@OldManShoutsAtClouds]

​@@mr.tbenningtonis also important to reverse the diet occasionally for a lot of reasons, especially mentally.

[@DanBlabbers]

I need serious advice because I’m 230 and I want to drop 40 pounds by end of January. I’m meeting a girl for the first time after 3 years of talking online. She genuinely likes me and doesn’t care I’m overweight now but I want to look my best. I have 5 months but I also want to gain muscle and not just lose muscle and fat at the same time. I’m 6’1 never worked out, can I do strength training on a calorie deficit and burn fat while building muscle? Or should I just do cardio and eat protein to prevent losing muscle? I’m decently strong naturally, but I don’t want to drop weight really fast and lose muscle. No idea what I’m doing please help!

[@mr.tbennington]

@@DanBlabbers Let do it Dan Buy the following if you don't have already. 1. Food Scale - less than $20 2. Electric Impedance scale - $70 look at Yunmai 3. Step & sleep tracker watch - $30 4. Diet/Calorie Tracking Ap - I use Carbon Diet app but im sure the RP diet app is good. - $250 ish for the year Steps 1. Create an Avatar for who you want to be in 5 months. "confident, fit, healthy, etc." run all decision making through the filter. 2. Set a bedtime and wakeup alarm. You must get 2 hours of deep sleep a night most people need 6-8 hours of being in bed to get 2 hours of deep sleep. The step & sleep tracker watch will let you know how many hours you need to be in bed. figure out this time and do it 7 days a week, maintain the exact same schedule everyday. 3. get 10,000 steps per day. if you can walk 10 minutes after breakfast & lunch. complete any missing steps after dinner. 4. Stop drinking any form of calories (including alcohol - you are now sober) 5. Track every calorie you eat for two weeks. The goal is to understand what your current maintenance calories are. this should roughly what it takes to not be hungry throughout the day. you will need to use a calorie tracking app and a food scale. depending on your life this will most likely require you to prep meals and bring your own lunch to work/school. Once you have a baseline you can set a loss goal (1% BF/WK). 6. 1% body fat loss per week is pretty safe along with weightlifting to loss fat while holding muscle. To start 230lbs at 1% = 2.3lb/wk. Roughly 3,500 calories to a pound of body fat. , 2.3lb/wk * 3,500 cal = 8,050 calories. 8,050 cal. / 7 day/wk. = 1,150 calorie a day deficit. This is a large cut which will be hard to follow but risk of loosing current muscle is low. Most recommend a diet of 300-500 cal/day to make life easier. you decide what is realistic with your goals and timeline. basically you have 140,000 calories to loose in 150 days ~ 933 calories a day to hit the current goal perfectly. This can be done but wont be easy. It took years to get fat and it generally takes years to lose. both apps listed above will do this math for you. 7. Use chatGPT to write a diet plan / meal guide. example prompt "write a 2000 calorie meal plan guide that splits calories between breakfast, snack 1, lunch, snack 2, dinner, snack 3. include one option for breakfast, three options for lunch, five options for dinner. show calories and macros by meal" 8. Lift weights 4-5 times a week. heavy enough to be a challenge, light enough to not get hurt or feel too damaged for the next workout. This channel has endless good advice on programing but as an example M - Push (2x chest, 2x triceps, 1x shoulders) T - Pull (2x back, 2x bicepts, 1x shoulders) W - Legs (quads, hamstrings, glutes, calves) TH- Push/Pull (1x chest, 1x back, 1x tricept, 1x bicepts, 1x shoulders) F - Legs (quads, hamstrings, glutes, calves) Good Luck. feel free to reachout on my IG @mr.track_fitness_progres

[@flaffa4837]

I only like recomping/maingaining at the end of a bulk to peak in strenght for a good 3-6 months. Doing it purely to build muscle seems like a huge waste of time

[@Rakyr]

I wasted 1 year of training on recomping. Barely gained anything and I just lost weight slowly when I could of just cut for 2 months and bulked again to gain mass. Do not fall for that maingaining/recomping trap people!

[@TwinsAndAPitBull]

Then it just sounds like you’re more advanced and that anecdote doesn’t prove it’s a trap. My useless anecdote for this is that it actually worked for me. 12 weeks recomp, 4 week break, 12 weeks recomp, and I “lost” only 5 pounds, but about 10% of my body fat. I don’t recomp now because I would rather cut and bulk for psychological reasons, but ultimately people need to do what works for them and usually they aren’t dedicated or patient enough to accurately do that.

[@jeffreysmith9837]

It worked for me. But it gets harder!

[@Rakyr]

@@TwinsAndAPitBull yeah, I am mid Intermediate but I think doing long/slow bulks and quick aggressive cuts over the long term leads to better results.

[@michaelscott5653]

It's worked well for me so far. Been going 9 months strong. Built a decent amount of muscle too. But I didn't start regular heavy lifting on benching, deadlifting and squatting until 4 months ago. My first 4 months of this was about building a routine not muscle

[@hernanmurillo8925]

You're right, you did waste it haha. Doesn't mean others will.

[@myfirstrodeo208]

Great advice because I’m 4 months in to my weight loss journey and I can’t build muscle yet without losing this fat first. Makes sense. Thanks.

[@iamwhoyousayiam6773]

That's nonsense. I did HIIT and weights (about an hour total) on weekdays and I lost fat and the muscle growth exceeded fat loss. I ate well and watched my calories. I had a snack or treat if it wouldn't make me exceed maintenance cals

[@timothychristie6994]

Going into my second month of lifting. I’m planning on starting to aim for a deficit in a month or so when I’m able to balance gym/work/life with a few items I need. I haven’t lost any weight in two months but already feel so much stronger and thanks to your videos confident that I am still going in the right direction. That and my wife saying she sees “something” lol. Appreciate what you do and thank you. Over weight trucker gonna get fit!

[@masonboard]

Don’t cut until you’re at least a year in and have form + dedication down

[@timothychristie6994]

@@masonboard Even with being very overweight I shouldn’t cut?

[@masonboard]

@@timothychristie6994 correct. It’s too many things to add at once. If you’re that overweight, just eat at maintenance. And clean up your diet

[@teensymarie]

@@masonboard This is the opposite of what Mike just said. He said, "beginners can do this relatively well, but for more advanced individuals, OR IF YOU REALLY WANT TO PUT YOUR BEST FOOT FORWARD AND LOSE AS MUCH FAT AS YOU CAN..." You don't need a whole year to "clean up your diet."

[@masonboard]

@@teensymarie I disagree. For someone who is extremely obese, they need a year to solidify those new habits before they add in the extra fatigue from cutting

[@mykal2803]

So, im staying between 190 and 196. I can set a new p.r everytime i workout. Everytime. So this doesnt really concern me yet right? I just keep doing what im doing.

[@homerdough5389]

If you can set new PRs everytime you workout, you're golden. Don't change anything

[@MailmanMuscle]

Keep doing what you’re doing. As long as 190-196 is a range you enjoy being in, you’re 👍🏾👍🏾 Even if you want to get bigger now or at some point later, being stronger should help that too.

[@BulkBrogan.]

What about if you're obese and losing weight? I've already lost 70lbs and have another 70 to lose but am entering a muscle gain phase to them move into a strength phase for a meet me and a friend are entering next year Do I eat what would be a bulking diet for my goal weight? But that's still a deficit currently

[@swalkernutritioncoach]

Yes I'm a living witness as a beginner as Mike specified

[@sonja4164]

How long did you recomp & what did you do after, cut or bulk?

[@swalkernutritioncoach]

@@sonja4164 so I'm actually still cutting but also building muscle at the same time starting from being "overfat " as Dr. Mike would say...I'm currently @ 25 % or so body fat and 173lbs ...and I've just been lifting for almost a yr now

[@sonja4164]

@@swalkernutritioncoach sweet. Have you taken any breaks from dieting?

[@swalkernutritioncoach]

@@sonja4164 umm more like counting calories break...my son's bday was last month and he was home from boarding school for the month so we ate at restaurants quit a bit... none chain restaurants but still its difficult to track calories when you're eating out...and I did have a dessert or two

[@RebeccaKenworthy]

How much muscle bulk do you tend to lose as a % when your in the leaning out phase???

[@TehIdiotOne]

Recomposition works if you're already fat or otherwise just starting out, but otherwise agree that once you're past that, not really useful anymore.

[@JackGillings]

I’m currently on the higher side of body fat (around 25-30%) and have only been weight training in a small surplus for 6 months and haven’t grown loads of muscle. I am beginning to have way too much body fat and would like to cut I have no idea what to do

[@JES8SHRNDZzz]

I’m sorry I didn’t get it down,, What about intermediate

[@danbrown4415]

Does advanced mean you’re close to your genetic potential or less year in the gym?

[@xxzenn01xx9]

I always understood recomp as a path for over weight people starting out to get down to healthy/lean body% fat (under 20 at least for men) and from there focus on either or. The point being more to cut down body fat, while trying to maintin or slow gain the muscle mass you had at the higher body weight?

[@ygbodybuilder3023]

What about someone who is advance but has had a year layoff and startes working out again

[@adrientorres3367]

Would this apply to being off the weights for a period of time? 8 months

[@speedyduranr]

So I just gotta deal with the fact that I'll get weaker during a cut? 😢

[@67hoursAndCounting]

he has vids on maintaining muscle during a fat loss

[@therealcarlxii]

Pretty much, but in my experience you'll regain your lost muscle and strength in no time when you're back on maintenance.

[@calheaven]

You shouldn't get weaker, you just won't gain as much strength. You should still be lifting as heavy as you were when you stopped bulking, just don't expect massive strength gains during a cut

[@Alexor715]

Yes

[@AboutThatTime420]

I've lost 38lbs this year but have noticed stremgth gains. Although small, it's still there. For example the amount of bicep curls I can do has at least doubled since April 1st (still using same weight) but I am at the point now where I want to increase the weight. Not anything major, and it took 5 months, but still a strength gain for sure. I''m still cutting too. I know I wasn't really going to gain any muscle while losing weight but I really wanted to hold on to as much muscle as I could. So even if it feels like you aren't seeing gains I think it's still important to do some weights while losing weight

[@alec187]

To be fair, I’d imagine someone beyond an intermediate level of fitness is probably already too fit to have this predicament

[@Ash-uf4fv]

I dont think I have the patience to recomp, I cut for the first few months of training, then maintained for a bit longer then a few months and then starting bulking. Will prolly end the bulk once it hits 8 months, currently at 5. I dont think Ill ever bulk this long again but as a beginner I want to maximize gains, and since Im only 18 I think I have the room to be not as healthy for a longer period of time. I do need to throw more cardio in tho, I will say that

[@TheGreektrojan]

The problem with recomping isn't just that its slower than bulk/cut, its that its slower by like an order of magnitude as you go beyond the beginner stages for what is already a slow, multiyear process. Even as a beginner, you can probably gain on a cut, or you are natural skinny and are resistant to fat gain/need the boost on a bulk to add weight. Recomping is only a good strategy for rank novices who are resistant to bulk/cuts psychologically or for long term maintenance.

[@jojojo503]

Isn't gaining on a cut what recomping is?

[@shaheenpirani]

Hi, when you say a beginner - who is considered a beginner? I am 7 months into weight training - started at 45% percent fat and now at 34% fat. Where do I stand. I would really appreciate your response.

[@lukeg4233]

First of all, congratulations on your progress! With a bodyfat of 34% you should probably continue weight loss, you won't build as much muscle as a dedicated bulk, however you should still be building some and once you get into sub 25% (female) or sub20% (male) bodyfat ranges you can start to focus strrictly on muscle gain

[@alaaentabi7879]

He says people that have been working out for less than 2 years are in the beginner zone And it's a spectrum, the more time you were working out consistently, the closer you are to your muscle building genetic limit, the harder it is to recomp. He's is talking about people under 20% bodyfat tho, you can gain muscle while losing weight easily cuz your body is so ready to use your fat as energy to build muscle, good luck on the journey!

[@Gyoubu-the-Demon]

​@@lukeg4233this helps so much. Thank you

[@pupper5580]

This was my thought process when I wanted to increase my strength PRs. Just don't care at all what you look like, just eat like a monster and maximize the strength gains. After I reached my PRs I focused on looking sexy and losing weight. This way I reach my goals fast and I can go back to looking sexy and healthy fast - and I can spend more time focusing on looking sexy. Edit: as a guy talking about looking sexy sounds gay af. I need to rethink this lol.

[@swingonthespiral]

I'm doing this now. And I'm way more motivated. I did gain some fat at first but now I'm just gaining muscle and I know I can burn this fat off one way or another.

[@calheaven]

It's only gay if you say it's gay, I didn't think it until you said it 😂

[@player6769]

Nah it ain’t gay brother we all out here lifting to look sexy

[@hiraya5296]

hey man it only sounded gay when u got self conscious about being gay besides being gay isnt a bad thing lol

[@228videos]

I was just thinking oh, this is a gay guy. No hate though.

[@Drokster]

Is there a particular body fat percentage threshold between being viable and not viable?

[@therealcarlxii]

As with most things in fitness: Depends on the individual person.

[@Drokster]

​@@therealcarlxiisure but I'm sure we can put a general range where most people would probably land

[@therealcarlxii]

@@Drokster Hard to say, it's not only determined by body fat but also by your training level. If you just started training you can for sure build muscle and loose fat at the same time. If you are an intermediate or advanced lifter this becomes more and more difficult to a point were you need to do dedicated muscle building or fat loss phases to see some progress.

[@christopherhall7216]

No, we dont even have studies that show one is more viable than the other.

[@fightmilk8613]

I think Jeff Nippard says around 10%. He has a great video on recomp

[@dawsonkeigley2097]

Beginning tho body recomp if your skinny fat can really help u

[@WiredTenshi]

Between noob gains + starting a solid 100 pounds overweight I’m able to gain noticeable amounts of strength and muscle despite being at a 600 cal daily deficit. I acknowledge this will slow down as I even out

[@simulationescape5467]

It certainly can be done. To me recompositioning is just waking up your body to bring to back to where your strength was before taking the time off. When working toward these strength goals I'm not intentionally trying to get leaner while I do my work. To me the answer is intensity and playing with it's level to achieve a certain strength goal or muscular endurance ( probably some numbers you used to do before getting out of the gym). It can be done maybe not being sliced and diced to the socks, but certainly more muscular, more dense, and less of a gut. For me this process takes about 6-9 months.

[@thaiphuc-te7yt]

isn't it cutting and bulking?

[@askohirvonen5066]

I lift weights 6x a week. Every session about 2h. I would call it pretty solid intense level training. Maybe 1 sec under from being awsome,but pretty ok. And I ate 1,4 gramms of protein per lean bodyweight. And I didn't see myself getting bigger. Maybe only a bit stronger. And I kept loosing weight. Then I cut off eating grains and potatoes from my diet. Still no progress. Just don't know what tha fuck to do. I train and just seem to get smaller. Eat protein in enormous quantities or in very moderate - the result seems to be just the same.

[@Bevzthejcs]

I'm obese (280lbs), but been training for 12 months, in that time i've not really lost any weight but i have definitely built up a fair bit of muscle so for me recomp has worked even though it wasn't really the plan. I guess it's worked because i'm a beginner. Not sure what to do now as i need to lose weight; For now, i'm carrying on as i am because it's nice to be building muscle but i've introduced a lot more cardio and put myself in a slight defecit. i'll do that for a few months and see how i progress, if that doesn't work i'll do a proper cut for a few months. I need to lose weight but I don't want to be skinny if you know what i mean.

[@cesarcastro2831]

If you’re 280lbs, you should definitely just cut. Whatever muscle you gain won’t look as impressive or even noticeable as it would if you shred off that fat. Trust me, for 2 years I trained without going on a calorie deficit, gained a lot of muscle, but all of it was still hidden under that pesky lard. Recently, I stared cutting. Went from 250lbs to 205lbs. The muscle looks finally visible now that I’ve trimmed the chub. Still got about another 20-30lbs to cut tho.

[@Bevzthejcs]

@@cesarcastro2831 Good to hear! Well done! It would be really nice to get rid of some of the fat and actually see what's under there! lol The focus now is definitely on getting rid of it! I think i will try a full cut for a few months and see how it affects my strength. Thanks!

[@cesarcastro2831]

@@Bevzthejcs Good luck, man! I really doubt you’d lose any muscle at all honestly. If anything you’d probably make even more strength gains, since you’d have more stamina and more explosiveness to your lifts, due to being lighter.

[@Bevzthejcs]

@@cesarcastro2831 thanks! Really appreciate that 👍 and good luck with your plan too!!

[@Koutsimouka]

@@cesarcastro2831I’m doing body recomp but also an aggressive cut at the same time.. my muscles and strength has increased already in 2 weeks but I’m worried the fat won’t come off as the scale is staying the same

[@pupper5580]

So Greg Doucette maingaining or whatever is killing your gains?

[@drinkinouttacups2665]

If you're not a beginner or fat then yes

[@pupper5580]

@@drinkinouttacups2665 true

[@thehubrisoftheunivris2432]

I've been running into fat loss walls. So I'm kind of doing a 10 lb loss while weight training and being really hungry but not enough to lose strength. I'm pretty sure I'm intermediate and have good genetics though. Recomp is a new term to me. But it works pretty well most of the time. Just sometimes i don't lose any fat for like a week. Still getting gains though.

[@iamwhoyousayiam6773]

Sometimes a wall is just food/water that hasn't passed yet and that can take a while without enough proper electrolytes. What helped me is alternating between cardio and weights but that contradicts Mike. It works for me, everyone's different 🙂 I'd also like to say if you're cutting it may help you to jack up your cals to maintenance on the weekends. Idk it works for me 😊 Good luck!

[@iamwhoyousayiam6773]

Growing muscle burns fat so fast. Another thing... If you aren't drinking 60oz+ of water and getting 7hrs+ sleep a day, it doesn't matter if your food and exercise regimen is perfect. Lack of sleep OR water can sabotage you and if you're behind on both those need addressed

[@iamwhoyousayiam6773]

I did HIIT and weights and lost a lot of fat and gained a lot of muscle

[@drewgrffn3880]

Nothing wrong with interracial

[@pauldraper1736]

Naw. Cite a study

[@christopherhall7216]

I dont know of a single study that compares cutting/bulking cycles to gaintaining. I do know of about 8 different sudies that show recomposition happening in lifters all the way from newbies to very advanced.

[@pauldraper1736]

@@christopherhall7216 it also just makes sense. Certain processes decrease fat. Certain processes increase muscle. Do both at once to get both results. (I recognize that intuition is not proof, but again... Without contrary data, I assume it is right )

[@christopherhall7216]

@@pauldraper1736 We have way more data to support that view than the view that it doesnt, or that cycling between bulks and cuts is better. the "you cant do both" thing only makes sense if you dont consider the total energy content of the body. People tend to myopically consider energy balance as this closed system between mouth, butt, and activity. If you create a demand of energy to fuel a proccess of repair and adaptation, just because you don't shove those calories down your throat doesnt mean the body doesnt have it. Odds are you have tens if not hundreds of thousands of stored calories to fuel that proccess.

[@sonja4164]

​@@christopherhall7216well said.

[@Getfitwiththelovelessgirl]

I like your comments. I was searching for one of Mike's videos on body recomposition and was kind of sad to see this one. I did a cut in November and December and it yielded about 5-6lb loss. Not ideal obviously. So I went into maintenance and I feel that I've seen great changes in body composition, so I was looking for affirmation or more instruction since my body was resisting so much during my cut (sleep was terrible and I actually got stuck after about 3 weeks -5lb loss). Now I have just gained maintainance weight but clothes fit better and I can see a difference. I'm not sure how to proceed because this is saying I need to actually cut, but I am partially just afraid to because the last one went so terribly.

[@jinfin221]

No pls

[@stensballe3683]

cut carbs 💪

[@Gouranga552]

recomp isn't really a thing, you aren't transforming fat. fat is just stored energy. fat is like an oil in the body you need it to rmake your body work. where muscle fibers are living tissues, with knowledge to repair themselves. 2 totally different systems at play, sure they both make up your bodies image but you dont need to carry a lot of fat to build muscle. Muscle will only built given is stressed enough and fed a proper diet. dropping to super lower body fat% isn't ever healthy and any body builder will tell you the cut is hell. No one maintains a ton of mass at 5% year round and thinks it healthy. you need the fat cells to store the energy for extremely intense work outs youll be doing, but by no means do you need to eat yourseelf into a new pant sizes. A Bulk should only come after at cut, and its just to bring body fat to a normal healthy level.

[@westoncroye643]

Exactly. The fat is used as fuel for your body in muscle protein synthesis for when you recover after workouts. Thats why body recompositions can be very effective for people who have a lot of fat or just enough fat the build some nice muscle while getting leaner.

[@dagmawilemma365]

Is that daina white

[@dootmcsploot4180]

Muscle burns more calories than fat. More muscle means more calories burned. Eventually you put yourself in a caloric deficit and start to lose weight. This is not rocket science

[@kapri5095]

I’ve been fooled by some trainer that body recomp is everything. I just gained more weight!!!

[@jayware4769]

Quarterback transfers won’t see Sunday?? Ugh Joe Burrow… Jalen hurts.. ugh.. Justin fields… Caleb Williams. What’s this man saying?

[@leonkennedy9739]

The fatter you are the easier it is, the newer you are the easier it is. So if you are lean and 5 years in no way in hell is that doing anything for you. If you started yesterday and are 30% body fat let er rip.

[@charlesdean640]

Recomp is very possible with carb cycling

[@ew-zd1th]

How woupd you do it? More carbs on the days where you train your prioritised muscle?

[@charlesdean640]

@ew-zd1th ya I do 2 low days 1 high day repeat. Train prioritized muscle after a big breakfast on my high day then carb up all day. Your muscles fill up like a balloon and don't gain any fat

[@ew-zd1th]

@@charlesdean640 on your high day are you still om caloric defizit?

[@charlesdean640]

@@ew-zd1th no about 500 calorie surplus all carbs. They all go straight into the depleted muscle. As little fat as possible on high days, just whatever is in the meat.

[@ew-zd1th]

@@charlesdean640 ok thanks. How long serios training years you alrwady had?

[@24POWERS]

That’s because the organs fat dissipates first, fat in skin is much harder. That’s my take as someone who was. 250 then dropped to 155, now I’m aiming for 160. I choose lean over mass. Get down to your lowest then gain. Try getting enhanced later in your journey. You will feel much comfy gaining.

[@christopherhall7216]

So pretty much every time recomposition has been looked at scientifically it is the default state of affairs. It happens in newbies, It happens in advanced people. Its what normally happens if you just workout and eat normally. Bulking and cutting cycles, are not normal. What the cut and bulk cycles are, is an artifact of the bodybuilding world where people would have to spend large amounts of time trying to gain as much as possible, and then large amounts of time trying to lose as much as possible. This is caused by time restrictions between shows. This also combines with the phasic structure of "special sport supplement" blasting and cruising. It is a function of the structure of their sport, and "special sports supplement" usage more than anything optimal. The "optimal" rationalization for doing this is largely made up on the back end. Wrether this is any better or faster than recomping has NOT been demonstrated, but that doesnt stop bodybuilders from recommending a pattern and behavior that naturally develops in their sport, to non-competitors.

[@homerdough5389]

It's also the quickest way to making progress, even for people who don't compete in the sports. People need feedback to see if what they're doing is working otherwise they lose focus, so recomping for an advanced llifter would take way way way longer to see any progress than a couple weeks of a bulk followed by. a fat loss phase. Hard disagree

[@taylorhillard4868]

No it doesn't, lol. It may LOOK like thats what happens because losing 20lbs of fat (even if you lose a little muscle too) LOOKS like you gained 20lbs of muscle. But its not actually recomping unless you are like a super beginner (like nerds that have hardly ever lifted a heavy backpack) in which case theyve never used their muscles before so they have the capacity to grow exponentially with just normal human physical activity. Recomping is just not a good idea unless youre some sort of genetic elite that can grow in spite of doing everything wrong.

[@auggiecontreras8068]

This is beautifully said bro ❤️

[@christopherhall7216]

@@homerdough5389 Can you provide longitudinal studies on this? That claim is NOT backed by the evidence.

[@christopherhall7216]

@@taylorhillard4868 I would advise you to look at Menno's or Helm's literature reviews on the subject of body recomposition. Nippard also has some literature review on the subject in his youtube videos menno gain-muscle-and-lose-fat-at-the-same-time/ helms calorie-deficit-gain-weight/ nippard Bulking/ Cutting vs. “Gaintaining”: Which Is Best? The idea that this is some thing that happens in only rarified conditions is wrong and not at all evidence based. The evidence shows the opposite. That's just a line of rhetoric pushed by off season bodybuilders juicing it up and trying to maximize the supplement effects, before dieting down into the next show.

[@andrewrover126]

🧢 @gregdoucette