Renault Megane E-Tech 60 kWh vs Ariya, Model 3 & ID3 charging battle

[@boostbutt]

Awesome commentary!! Feels like watching a boxing match! ❤

[@jjjhietala]

Future of sport :D

[@MortenB0]

Some ninja math, considering arriving with 10% in winter and should charge to get 250km more range at 90km/h. Tesla M3 23 minutes, Megane 28 minutes and Ariya 34 minutes. Forget the ID.3 but enough math for one day !

[@alessiosabadini7563]

I'm quite surprised Megane doesn't have the same charging curve of Arya. We can hope Renault will improve it during next OTA as VW and Tesla did before for ID3 and Model 3

[@gvaley]

The question is, do you want it to be improved? Provided the same battery cells in both, the Megane's battery will degrade slower.

[@alessiosabadini7563]

@@gvaley it seems battery chemistry could be different

[@gabrielecomensoli2787]

@@gvaley I would prefer higher degradation with higher speed. At least for me, that I fast charge like 10% of the total use.

[@fehlix5134]

As a owner of a 6 year Zoe, Im pretty sure that Renault won't do any significant changes. They still haven't manage to show the range while charging or cooling / heating the cabin while charging without fancy tricks.

[@ndc5544p]

@@fehlix5134 came here to say this. Renault won't do shit. Even after they said in an online interview that they will improve upon the Zoe's CCS charging speed via an update, nothing happened.

[@ndc5544p]

I tested the MG4 with big battery (64kWh). It still pulled 94kW at 54%.

[@EVtestDK]

My Tesla Model 3 LFP 55 kWh charges from 10 - 80 in 20 min, that is quite a lot faster that the 60 kWh in this video.

[@MortenB0]

Considering Wh/km the real winner is Tesla M3 since you get more km to drive faster, maybe a 10% to 250km added to drive would be a more real life test? Or maybe this guy in shorts that looks familiar who have escaped the Norwegian winter is the real winner ?

[@henvan8737]

Yes but we need to look at the battery in these cars after say 1000 charge cycles and see which one had the best overall charging battery care long term.

[@allisterbullock213]

Wow, that almost looked like a Hollywood backdrop what with the video definition and lighting. I also enjoyed the traditional Bavarian dancing at the end ;-)

[@bjornnyland]

The only thing missing was the CP-L filter that I left at home in Oslo.

[@gabrielecomensoli2787]

Megane charging curve is good but I expected more. At least it should have been on par with ID3. Let's see if some updates will come later on, for the moment it's not so impressive.

[@aholestol]

Now i see you hammer moskitos instead of EV’s. 😂 Wish you a wonderful time in Thailand

[@RePlayBoy101]

megane is 5000€cheaper than the ID-3 ... im not surprised and i wuldnt even care ... 5 min difference is nothing realy to care about but that 5000€can be spent on some cool options

[@minicirco]

That was the 10’000 km challenge. Wow!

[@o00scorpion00o]

All depends on battery temps, for this video the batteries will be at 30 odd degrees or more not likely to happen for winter or even here in Ireland in the middle of Summer where night temps can get to 8 deg C in the middle of July/August and day temps struggle to get over 13 deg C on average. Having said that Winter isn't too cold here either but still cold enough to ensure "fast" charging is not fast at all.

[@felaykasu]

NO WAY BJORN IS BACK IN THAILAND LETS GOOOOOOOOOO

[@theflyingtimtam]

Well as expected, I hope Renault will improve it via an OTA, but since they are kinda slow with new feature I’m not holding my breath. Did anyone read something about an improved charging curve online?

[@sheldroid]

There is a French KZbin channel that made a 600km road trip "race" on motorway with Megane Etech and Niro EV, and they came up with same conclusions: a draw

[@katchaontheflipside]

I thought the Ariya and Megane had the same battery/tech/capacity but this shows a massive difference.

[@Cosmycal]

They're cousins, not brothers, I expected it.

[@jennihilbrecht2503]

Pushing >40Kw with 99% SoC will definitly wear out the battery within a few years. Tesla has years of experience with battery degregation. They obivously have learned their lesson: Above 80%, go very gentle. ;)

[@KimCJorgensen]

Welcome to 🇹🇭 . If you need any suggestions then an update on the Thai charging network and apps would be useful. 🙏

[@aaronwhatley1233]

i think this is due to the new slim LG battery uses little cobalt compared to other battery's. this is much more eco friendly and energy dense but i think the battery gets hotter faster during charging so it dials back a little more.

[@kakaovski]

I have Megane, i can confirm - the charging is quite slow- I usually charge when it's+20% and I usually get around 50-60kw. The efficiency... Is also bad, I have winter tires and it's around 7°, I am driving 125km/h and the average is 25kWh/100 😮

[@ryo1981to]

I hope that Renault went conservative on the charging curve and can roll out a more aggressive curve like the Nissan Ariya... Unless they decided to use worse hardware on the same platform for some reason 🤦

[@gabrielecomensoli2787]

Well the platform is the same but it is not granted at the battery chemistry is the same. Arya and Megane have different wheel base as well, so the arrangement of the battery pack may differ.

[@ryo1981to]

@@gabrielecomensoli2787 good point. I was assuming that the batteries were also in common between Mégane and Ariya (plus/minus a few cells) but if the battery packs are not the same that could explain the difference

[@gabrielecomensoli2787]

@@ryo1981to I do not have references, I am only guessing. What is evident is the gap between Arya and yes it is quite a shame. Could have been better.

[@philipthonemann2524]

Useful stuff - many thanks!

[@TomskiZima]

Still baffles me when I have a nosey at other people's charge speed and I'm sat there in my wife's i3S charging at 50kw from whatever SOC right upto 95% before it drops off to 27, then 22 etc.

[@sumanndev]

What's software do you use here to check?

[@bollebob1991]

I haven't done a full charging stop with my Model 3 in a while, but ins't the charging curve different now?

[@eyewitness4560]

Weird, i could swear with optimal temps my m3 charged above 90kw until around 75%.

[@Infinion]

The Megane vs Model 3 test doesn't make ANY sense to me. They both have a 400V pack right? So megane hits 400V (4.167 cell voltage) at 80% SoC and the Model 3 is hitting 96% at 369V (3.84V)?? Either something is seriously wrong with these readings or the Megane is overcharging / CV charging to a high cell voltage and is going to have a sheeeeit battery cycle life and the Model 3 is undercharging while indicating 100%. Model 3's 396V is too high for LFP, so it has to be an NCA chemistry or a 116S LFP chemistry.

[@dos585]

I think its okay. But I am still waiting for the 1000km challenge..

[@Jonbe88]

i bought megane becaus of the google android automotive. its awesome!! so i wait 5 minute longer for charging. i dont care. nice video Tesla is always impressive for me because of air resistant and acceleration. I hope renault is doing a limousine to get better distance.

[@theipc-twizzt2789]

How would a M3 SR with NCA compare?

[@Luxlex-lu]

Which ID3 software version?

[@simondehaas8784]

That is the curve you get on any ID3 58kwh that was built with 2.3+, or with earlier cars that have been updated to 2.4+

[@F2x2]

Back to Thailand ? :o

[@jamesdubben3687]

Great horse race, and swat fest.

[@activedriving]

Is there any advantages from receiving 450 V from the charger, compared to 380 V. Looks like iD.3 get higher voltages than the rest. V x A = kw so ID.3 can have same KW with a lower A

[@ReximPL]

Voltage depends on how your battery is constructed. You can have 100kWh capacity with both 400V and 800V. The difference will be how many Ah (Amp x hours the but in the end you will have the same amount of energy. Bjorn already explained pros and cons of 400V and 800V architecture so you can watch it. In short it doesn't make much difference

[@Infinion]

If the charger cabling is current limited to 125A, a higher pack voltage could get 9kW more energy than 380V. So if your area had a lot of 50kW chargers and you expect to do a lot of charging with them, there could be a time savings. But as this test shows, when the charger isn't the charging bottleneck, 450V is not charging faster than 400V designs. At that point there are other factors at play.

[@ndc5544p]

800V vs 400V is a discussion which doesn't make any sense, only for a select few cars which allow over 200kW charging speed. CCS is limited to 500A, that means on 400V you can get 200kW while on 800V you can get 400kW. The cell voltage is still 3,7V (nominal) so the limiting factor is the cabling. 400V vs 450V would render higher charging speed at the same amps, 12,5% to be exact. But if the manufacturer has adjusted the charging curve down by 12,5% then you won't reap any benefits. You can have all the voltages you want, most of the current batteries and charging curves do not saturate the 500A of a CCS pack. So even if the cars had 300V packs they could still charge at these speeds, with the exception of the Tesla.

[@activedriving]

I both cars have a 400V battery design, one car charge with 400V and the other with 380V, then you need higher A on the car charging with 380V to achieve same KW. Lower A during charging will be beneficial for the in car wiring and electronic, less cooling and Ohm resistance. I assume the car BMS manage the charging by adjusting the A, and there will be a maximum A defined for the in car wiring

[@lovethytuber4770]

Would be awesome if you could do this comparisons like an auctioneer :D

[@ndc5544p]

No. It's bad enough when he speaks so fast he jumbles up the words and you can't understand anything he's saying.

[@HS_1988]

The Peak of M3 is Just for the Data Sheet.. Classic customer fraud..

[@tridruankham2657]

That you stay at Chiang DOA now?

[@luisfernandes4145]

I see you went to Thayland, did you have a nice journey?

[@AlvisePeltreraLeoneProductions]

So what, now Megane has a "such small battery"? No words

[@Panjangl]

Coconut,banana,chickens wow

[@Miki-rr2zm]

See first time, blow my mind

[@tridruankham2657]

Warm welcome

[@patriotbarrow]

If it's the same system, they could copy Nissan's homework. Hopefully they will

[@EinzigfreierName]

Maybe they use different battery cells?

[@Cosmycal]

@@EinzigfreierName Nissan uses CATL cells, Renault I don't know...

[@alessiosabadini7563]

@@Cosmycal Renault should be LG Chem

[@Panjangl]

Ariya is boss