Classic Porsche 911 Cost of Ownership: Is This 3.2 Actually the Cheapest Air Cooled Porsche To Own?

[@Rennthusiast]

The goal of these cost of ownership videos is to help those of you thinking about buying air cooled understand what goes into caring for these cars. I hope I’ve accomplished that goal.

[@Jack-si2pg]

Great video. If you don't mind me asking, what do you do for a living. You own so many porsche 911s, just got me curious.

[@Rennthusiast]

I own a business

[@HoboHeaven]

​@@Rennthusiast means all and nothing😂

[@m4_sav]

@@HoboHeavennuff said tbh 😂

[@oceanhome2023]

How many of us have been “Triggered “ after seeing the “Singers “ ?

[@davidjaxonmusic]

Even with the cost of procurement, maintenance and mods...seems totally worth it in my opinion. It’s a beautiful Porsche.

[@lovetoride9646]

I understand your preference for the 964 and the 993 to the 3.2, after all every new Porsche is better than the previous one. But in my eyes the 3.2 is the most attractive of the three cars. It best embodies the Porsche look.

[@maccoolmac5191]

I do my own work and most of what you listed. Working in the garage is rewarding and a big cost savings. The forums, with great amount help, I can attack any project. The oil changes for five vehicles, that keeps me busy alone.

[@docholliday2754]

I agree, I do almost all the work on my 85 myself and save a ton and get the satisfaction of doing it. Some of those cost he has done are very high for what they are.

[@elmandalorian6671]

When you work on them yourself, you can obviously save a ton and really enjoy the best part of owning a 911...great video 📹 👍!

[@freedomworks3976]

Some of my happiest times of my adult life were in my 1971 911e and my 1977 911s . Loved those cars would love to have one again someday ….

[@igus2157]

I've been looking again as well. Drove a 75 Sahara Beige 911S back in the day.

[@86BBUB]

I'm the original owner of an '86 3.2. It's a three season car. Always garaged. About 18K miles. The car has cost me almost nothing outside of routine maintenance over the past 35 years. One injector, sunroof motor, and couple of other relatively cheap items. I don't think they have to be that expensive. Also had an '89 944 Turbo. Drove that one every day in all conditions. I did not have major expenses there either.

[@BPF80MCar-vi1pg]

Always drive them , you know that. German cars need to be driven.

[@robertvarda9307]

You can't be serious. It's not costing you anything because you're hardly driving it. 473 miles a year?

[@86BBUB]

@@robertvarda9307 The point is that your costs will be a function of miles. A car used daily will cost a hell of a lot more over over the years then a sunny-Sunday car. Driven the way they are often driven they aren't expensive to own. Somewhat obvious of course but I wasn't looking to provide a deeply insightful contribution to the thread.

[@sultanoftippoo3857]

⁠@@robertvarda9307 Agree, I can’t believe a 38 year old car (irrespective of manufacturer) that is driven less than 500 miles a year hasn’t needed hoses, catalytic converter (think these were in 911s in the 80’s?) etc replaced in 35 years of ownership I don’t doubt the owner has a great car that’s provided him with 35 years of motoring pleasure but this mythology around Porsche bulletproof reliability is pure hype. I’ve got a couple of friends with younger aircooled 911’s (993’s) and their annual mileage is around the same as my F355 (approx 1,000) and their annual service/maintenance costs are not too dissimilar as mine (approx £2k a year).

[@jetara3082]

​@@sultanoftippoo3857 it depends, but I guess on average and considering a car that is really serviced and maintained properly, meaning not in some amateurs garage, the 993 will be cheaper. I consider my car well serviced and probably on the upper third of the market, still I had far less than 2K a year in service and repair over the last 15 years. Pretty hard to really calculate those things, cause if you own the car for 2 years and your engine explodes, this will set you back 12-13K, but that doesn't really mean 993 running costs are 12-13K in 2 years. Considering you are in GB and I'm in Germany, plus I'm getting 20% off for parts cause I work for Porsche, this may not be the most fair comparison, but if I have to bet, let's say a kidney, which car is less expensive to run and more bulletproof in the long run I'd say it's an aircooled Porsche. It's not just hype. Yes, parts are almost equally expensive on those cars, but I doubt your Ferrari V8 can do 150K miles without overhaul, not even considering that any aircooled Porsche is much easier to work on than any Ferrari

[@robbytopher]

I've owned an 84' for 9 years and my cost of ownership vs yours is drastic. The car needed a full trans service (915), tires and a basic tune up. Over the usage I went through a voltage regulator, new brake kit ,and that's about it. Bought it with 63K and it now has 90+. All in I've spent 30+/- not including shipping or insurance etc. It helps having a good shop and also the know how around cars. But this car has been amazing to own, always there, reliable, everything works, no leaks, great heat (if you know you know). Its one of those cars that I feel like Im not putting enough money into but it always grounds me, and lets me know that it’s happy when I use it.

[@rileyreed4244]

I’d like to by an 80s 911, but the prices seem so high. How did you go about buying on with decent mileage at a good price?

[@peterjthompson1967]

What a great source for honest ownership advice for anyone thinking of buying a Porsche!

[@Cevan42]

The owner of an 86 coupe I can say I’m happy I’m able to do 99% of the work on it. Including a full engine rebuild.

[@jbear7580]

Will, clearly you are a perfectionist and your cars show that. Man, what a beautiful collection you have. You are truly an enthusiastic owner. Thanks for the sharing your journey with all your glorious examples. Envy...

[@TxGerman]

Another great video Will. My experience with my ‘82 is of course, different but the things you have had to do are all pretty normal and standard. Hope the PO had an engine out service included in his costs you mentioned. If not, you should expect to address more oil leaks, clutch, top end etc. Just part of the gate fee to play with these fun Pcars. My all-in costs are a bit more but I have done some much more extensive modifications and updates. I expect that, with the exception of mods, you may have a decent run of time before you have some of those maintenance costs I mentioned above, that should help lower your annual average cost of ownership. Thanks again for sharing the info!

[@victorrios8947]

I just got around to watching this video. Appreciate your openness on the cost of ownership. I really love my 993 but on track for $3k per year in upkeep. In comparison my 997 only needed oil changes over 3 years of ownership. For people getting into the air cooled game it is just good to get prepared for cars that are 25+ years old.

[@Rennthusiast]

Yes, I tell people to set aside 10% - 20% of the cost of the car for initial deferred maintenance and repairs…and celebrate if you don’t have to spend it 😄

[@jonwarshawsky5288]

Thanks for sharing the detailed costs, really helpful. I bought a 1993 C2 coupe in September, and I expect a hefty initial bill from the Porsche dealer. But … love these cars!

[@joejohnp]

Sounds about right Will. Whenever I buy a car, I always end up putting a lot into it initially to get it up to my standards, even with a solid maintenance history. On my 997 GT3, I put about $6k into it the first year I had it and then another $3500 the next year.

[@hnobody]

Love your videos and enthusiasm for the cars! Fwiw, we've had our 83 SC for just about 27 years, and it has run about 8-1200 bucks a year over that span (granted, I do everything but clutches myself). Of course, I would be embarrassed to park our car anywhere near any of your 911s ; )

[@stephenhenion8304]

Since this is a hobby for you, I appreciate your investment in tires and performance changes. I was estimating costs as you described them, and you paid less than I anticipated. Great video and that a fine Porsche!

[@seandenny2412]

I think you did pretty good on your price and maintenance and updates. Maintenance just has to be done once it’s done you get the benefit of fresh rubber, fresh front end parts, fresh AC , weatherstripping upholstery. all that’s part of the age of the car no matter what if it’s a Porsche or a Peugeot. Besides we love the beautiful lines of a Porsche and you just have to decide yourself if it’s a priority and you appreciate a classic beauty and you’re willing to allocate your personal cash to maintain it. that’s how I feel.

[@sgttombailes3380]

28 years ago I bought my "80 911 SC same color as yours. Daily drove it for 23 years. Then bought a '99 996 that I daily drive now. Did a doors off glass out restoration. Showroom perfect now.

[@Clown321321]

Congrats on taking care of that beauty that well! Thanks for sharing the experience.

[@christopherfaeth8047]

Thank you!!!! I'm 21 and have a beautiful 996, however I'm in love with yours. But the amount of work and customization (favorable mods) makes it extremely hard to even consider selling

[@oibal60]

Thanks for this. I've a 1996 993 C2 iris blue metallic, 66,000 miles, 6-speed manny tranny, varioram, LSD. No CEL, no oil leaks. Multi-show full-concours winner. I do my own maintenance. I'm never selling it.

[@tjflynn7509]

I wish everyone did these videos for the cars I dream about. Nice work and beautiful car.

[@Rennthusiast]

Appreciate that! Took a lot of time and effort to produce this one.

[@dre3951]

Thanks for all the detail. It seems as though most of these costs are startup, tuning and customizing to your preference (e.g., swapping out new tires). I expect costs will decrease dramatically going forward. I've owned and self-maintained my '85 for over 25 years now, and am certain it will outlast me and most people on the planet right now.

[@Rennthusiast]

I tend to agree. The running cost should diminish over time. Will never be zero but should drop.

[@looveruk]

Hi there, I do own a 3.2 in the Uk. A great car, I do believe in keeping on top of the maintenance. But the cost will always spiral when you get into the world of mods. But much respect for making these vids.

[@dotpeat1372]

Perfect upload! Very nice car; its our wedding car, present of my wife, now 27 yrs ago. I am in the EU, can't really advice on the costs, but all issues seem normal. My air fan blew whilst crossing a 'ford', inhaling through the pipe creating a thick indoor mist> couldn't see my wife anymore, replaced it myself costing very little by ordering it as a Bosch replacement. Still proud owner after 30+ years; almost all maintenance can be done by an average mechanic like myself. Got into Porsche by a friend giving a plant called 'grow your own Porsche', still have the box in which came.. met my now wife 6 months later and agreed to just do a shopcrawl on 911 as a birthday outing. We spotted one, few weeks later she bought it as a gift... restoration costed me 2 years, 3 years later we married in the car. We are still in love, me, wife & our car! Happy 911 ever after!

[@jcw9396]

I bought my 89 911 cabriolet for $40 K with a complete engine , tranny rebuild in Vegas from the mechanic at an independent porsche service center in 2019 … since then I have repaired the ac for $550 , service for $400 , new tires and used Fuch wheels for $1600……car has …..are you ready for this 176000 miles on it and runs like a top. Mechanic that owned the car switched the new top to manual up and down and according to my mechanic saved me a fortune as they always incur problems …will spend another $300 coming up for service and that is it …..also own a 12 911 S with 16000 miles on it . The 89 is a cool diamond blue with blue interior ……took me awhile to get used to it ……but I truly love it ……that is my brief response

[@michaeldavis9693]

I got my 87 from my Porsche mechanic in Hawaii, after I sold my 912E. I purchased the 87 for a reasonable price about a year ago. I mean, it's an 87 targa in pretty good shape, for only $30 in 2020! Now, I explained that I'd returning to Florida and it's be my daily for a while. We added full exhaust ( I forget the brans involved) because I wanted a hot rod more than heat and it does sound extremely good. I also replaced the entire AC, every piece of it, with a kit by Griffiths. Since it's red, I added a whale tail, front spoiler and stone guards, for the poor mans turbo look. We also did a lot of small maintenance, fuel lines, oil, complete going over... That came to $12k.. So, $42k for an 87 G50 targa that has been my daily from Hawaii to Florida.. So far, fingers crossed, no problems yet. Doesn't use oil, sounds good and tight. Didi I mention it had 58,000 miles when I got it? There's one like mine for sale at the Local Porsche dealership and they're asking $50USD.

[@3rd_larry]

I've owned an '87 for around 10 years now and SC for the same. Both cars needed engine rebuilds and a host of other things during my ownership, but I've done every bit of it outside setting lash on a new LSD. I think the vast majority of repairs listed here, are ones that most owners can do without special tools, in depth manuals or previous experience. With a bit of effort (like a couple weekends) a very large percentage of the repairs listed could be done with the exception of mounting tires and possibly the paint correction. So for people struggling to find an affordable car in 2023, doing the items listed themselves can be make or break for owning an air cooled car.

[@BPF80MCar-vi1pg]

I’m sure it’s great working on it. I’m by no means a mechanic but I try to do most of the stuff on my m3. It’s rewarding doing your own maintenance or mods

[@stephanieadkins9369]

That car is sitting so pretty I have my 1985 911 in the shop for some repairs can't wait to get it back

[@tuck1760]

what a gorgeous example! subscribed and liked. i've caught the bug after going to Germany to take euro delivery of my wife's macan! let me know if you decide to sell!

[@dbl0233]

Very informative, Will. I am still in the sorting phase of my 88 3.2 purchased in September. To date, about $1600 spent and I don’t have the bill for front sway bar bushings to cure an annoying squeak. Mileage is similar to your 86. They say you can’t put a price on happiness but sounds like $4-6k per year is a fair estimate.

[@Rennthusiast]

You’ll get out a lot more cheaply as you won’t do the duplicate jobs I did.

[@nrw34260]

I have owned an 84 3.2 for 25 years. Rebuilt the engine 2 years ago with no experience using Wayne Dempsey's book. Running like a dream, used daily. My Hankook tyres 125€ each.

[@EtonieE25]

Hi cuz from 🇬🇧 As an ex-SC Sport, 930 Turbo and 964 -4, l can totally agree with you on everything you’re saying 🙂

[@tomscott4438]

Makes me really miss my 1988 911, which I sold in 2012 for $15,000. I replaced window seals, roll bar brackets, leaky sunroof, high-beam switch (twice), clutch modification, Turbo tie-rods, and those door latches that causes my passenger door to fling open at 80 mph while taking a corner going around Lake Tahoe. It eat rear tires, the A/C was rubbish, working the heater required a degree from MIT... and I miss that car every single day. Owned it for 18 years. Second longest relationship of my life.

[@TeamPavlik]

Thanks for sharing the costs Will. I didn’t expect to hear what you paid for the car itself so that was cool

[@homefink2235]

Thanks for sharing your experiences. Your maintainance costs are quite similar to mine. It's always a project of repairing and rebuilding to me after purchasing. After this first period the normal costs of maintaining are usually decreasing to about 2k to3k a year.

[@Rennthusiast]

I could see that being the case. The mods and sampling different tires will drive it up but aren’t necessary. Thanks for watching.

[@roccol5360]

Great video, appreciate learning about your experience. BTW your garage setup is 💪🏼👍🏻!

[@davidsherley2652]

I like how you’re developing the channel Will - it’s getting better and better. My, I guess I’ve been very lucky. The amount of work your cars have required is an order magnitude above my 964. I’ve owned the car for 10 years, driven it 120K miles and ball-park the maintenance costs at $4 - 6K per year. In 2016 - 2018, at 186K miles, we did a major resto-mod on the car, that’s far beyond the $4 - 6K amount. It was elective, so I hold that separate. Admittedly, I haven’t added up all the numbers as you have; and I’m not sure I would want to, I think it would decrease my enjoyment of the car. We’ve bantered this idea before, but I think it’s really significant who has owned and cared for (or not) a car before you become its steward. When you buy a classic car, in addition to whatever provenance the car may have, you’re also buying a piece of the previous owners’ lives and preferences.

[@koshiw]

Like those Tag Heuer pieces! I have to get a set for mine. Oh yeah car is great too, do not sell

[@nunyabusiness4188]

Great video, AGAIN! Thanks for the transparency. You need to bear in mind that you had to retread some expenses due to choices you regretted, such as the tires and exchange of the exhaust system. So, you're probably more in line with the prior owner and more reasonable than you think.

[@BorkToThe3rd]

I'm kind of shocked. We sometimes refer to my 87 as "The Tank" because it is bomb proof. It is the vehicle that I wouldn't think twice about jumping in and driving cross country. (Last cross country road trip was about 5000 miles. Big difference: I do my own work. In the last 20 years I've had someone weld in new swaybar mounts, a couple valve adjustments, had a shop replace the syncros (previous owner must have been ham handed), and I've had the car aligned and corner balanced twice. I R&Red the tranny, swapped the clutch and lightweight pressure plate, bigger t-bars, adjustable swaybars, RS door panels, B&B heat exchangers, 3 different mufflers, multiple valve adjustments, and a major service replacing all the fuel lines, intake gaskets, triangle of death, and an alternator. I've only run R compound tires for over 140k miles and it still is less than $1500 a year.

[@Nord_Mann]

Experiencing sellers remorse. Sold my lovely -94 C2 in PTS Amethyst this week. Agreed to the deal solely as it was the original owner looking to buy it back and he had all these stories of it being his daily for years and driving his daughters to the kindergarten in it. He even had the original invoice for the car. Got to spend a fantastic day with this gentleman extraordinaire but just realized I’m NEVER going to be able to get myself such a nice 993 with that kind of provenance and maintenance history ever again. Even the 15-% premium I made on it over 4 months of ownership doesn’t really make up for not having the Amethyst jewel in my garage anymore💜🥲

[@davidjaxonmusic]

Keep the faith. You’ll find another one one day that will make parting with this one worth it. You’ve earned some amazing karma points for selling it back to the original owner.

[@Nord_Mann]

@@davidjaxonmusic 🙏🏻 Also sold my Macadamia metallic manual box -10 C2 in September through a indie specialist. Made ~8% premium on that one, but my god it was a sweet ride. Bone stock, 6spd base Carrera. Having only a 2-car garage is troublesome when owning 4 Porsches in an arctic climate. I’m cheering for climate change😬

[@Rennthusiast]

That’s rough bc I can totally guess how you’re feeling right now. That guy is a lucky dude….I don’t think he could have pried that car out of my possession. Keep looking. Something will come around.

[@Nord_Mann]

@@Rennthusiast having a new order (first ever new Porsche) on the way and an outlawed -90 964C4 plus the daily driver Taycan, I both need the space for it, although I’ve got 2 places in a storage some 1,5 hrs drive away, but one also need the time to use all of them and especially the time (and money) to keep them all in pristine working condition. Having pulled the engine on the 964 and a major overhaul on that one, parting with the 993 C2 was the sensible thing to do, although I was contemplating just keeping all 4 of them. Having a couple in storage, the wife wouldn’t know either😇

[@iuffjfu]

Thank you for this honest video. I will looking to hopefully buy a Porsche this year and this was very informative. Love your videos.

[@jameschaves5723]

Despite being able to own a car like this I could never get myself to spend that much on maintenance. It’s clearly a personal issue. Good on you for being able to part way with that sort of money.

[@Rennthusiast]

YOLO 🙏🏼

[@sickws611]

Great video. The subject around costs and value is always one of discussion. I own a 86 coupe. It’s a “driver” I’d say for sure. Owned it for 6 years and have maybe spend 1k on maintenance. I could get it up to condition as yours if I prefer but I don’t see the value personally.

[@sgttombailes3380]

I owned a 1980 911 SC for 18 years. Daily drove it and All I ever spent was for general maintenance .. What a bullet proof old Porsche !! I wish now that I had never sold it !! I want it back~~~ !

[@philipprosapio2295]

Your experiences is almost exactly the same as mine. In 2017 I had bought a 1987 Camera 3.2 slant nose, Purchased at $49,000 and, have put about 10,000 into it. Interestingly, just put it up for sale this weekend. Philip Prosapio Little Falls Minnesota

[@4453kevin1]

Hey Philip Prosapio, where can I find your offering?

[@philipprosapio2295]

Hi Kevin, Have the car at Porsche St Paul. I just ordered a 2022 Panamera 4 S ehybrid and plan on trading in my 2018 Panamera 4 ehybrid and having them sell the Slantnose. Interesting that I might still owe them money in the end! The frustrating part is 5 to 6 months wait time on the new car. If your anywhere nearby, can check out the Slantnose in about a week or so. Phil

[@4453kevin1]

@@philipprosapio2295 ah that would be great. unfortunately i lived in germany. therefore it will not be possible for me. :( but I hope someone else can be happy. I would have been very happy :)

[@yongkim777]

Sounds about right👍 I have 2 Porsche's a 1977 911S & 2001 996 Carerra 4 Cabriolet. These cars are not for the faint of heart! The driving experience is well worth the cost of ownership 🥰 Yes, Im in love with my cars. Paid 11k for my 911S back in the early 90's and 35k for my 996 with 25k original miles, it was a garage queen👑

[@chrisbennett812]

Just seeing this. You bought well. IMO Bring a Trailer has almost single-handedly blown up the market on classic 911’s. I just purchased a well used ‘86 Cabriolet (not my first Porsche but it is my first 911). I have a friend who is a retired Porsche Mechanic from whom I hope to learn as much as I can so I can take care of the small stuff myself. 😉

[@bernardmauge8613]

I have a 84 Targa. It took me 10 years to do a complete restoration. I did my engine 6 months ago. Probably spent 2000 aa year for the past ten years doing most of the work myself except upholstery and engine re assembly(rods pistons crankshaft) The car is in Brittany France and will be for sale soon.

[@jimsteinway695]

I’ve had 7 911s from a 993 TT to my 18 GT3. As long as you pay attention to your maintenance, these cars will go forever

[@alanredlich6917]

I purchased my 1985 Porsche 911 Coupe red black no tail in 1993 as a 30th Birthday present to myself. With the exception of the last 3 years that I sold it to a friend who has garaged it and has had no time to enjoy it I intend to purchase it back. I purchased a 2015 Targa 4s which I'm enjoying immensely after an unbelievable afternoon on the Porsche track in Atlanta a few years back in the same model ....Yes with the Sport Chrono Package..... Although it has been an enjoyable runner with some very nice trips already taken. I miss my 3.2 and hope within the month to have it back in my garage. By the way it has 280,000 miles on it and it was my daily driver. When I first purchased the car with 41,000 miles I had a premature engine build which sounded bad but turned out to be a scored crankshaft due to some inappropriate maintenance. I have had minor repairs over the years just typical brakes, oil , battery and tires to be honest I've never even had to change the exhaust system. I did a new interior and paint about 10 years ago and had my rims redone by some company in Monterey Ca that polished the lip and hand painted my center caps. The cars gorgeous and I thought once upon a time if I'd live long enough I could hit a million miles. But, I own too many cars for that to happen now. I'll keep you posted. "There is No Substitute"

[@georgetown8986]

Definitely always go through and replace everything that needs to be replaced/refreshed. It's worth every penny and will pay you back in excellent performance. You can tell a car that the owner can't keep up on the maintenance. He or she has no business owning one.

[@rickwilson6102]

Love the videos you send out. Recently got your link. Watching this video in rainy Vancouver, Canada. May 7th. I own a 73 911 S Coupe. 20 plus years now. Too keep it as is on the road. Average 1000 miles a years around $5,000 per year. Just had a compression and leak down test done. Not good news, needs a rebuild.$$$$. And over a year to complete. 65,000 original miles. Yikes. Love the car though. Sooo. will probably get it done...

[@Rennthusiast]

Thank you. Man, I hate that for you. These cars will throw curve balls but they’re worth taking care of and doing it right. Good luck, and thanks for watching.

[@ricsu3462]

beautiful cars! i only have modern exotics and am always wonder about these air cools, thanks for the great overview. I think the appreciation aspect of these cars is really nice, otherwise that kind of upkeep is on par, if not probably 2x higher than a modern supercar (except maybe a lambo v12) from my 9 years of ownership experience. These are so iconic timeless looking, awesome machines that age beautifully

[@kennethzenker9993]

Great car and reasonable maintenance including upgrades.

[@bobcraft9597]

I have a 1987 911 that I bought in 2009 for $14,000. I have spent approximately $10,000 since on tires, shocks, electrical upgrades, clutch, and several maintenance items (all at a shop). I am amazed by how much others spend on what is a relatively simple car. After all the modifications how do you know you are driving a 1980's Porsche?

[@dre3951]

Well timed purchase!

[@christianloher150]

Absolute beaut! Great colour,great look. Great engine.

[@mikenorthern1024]

No doubt in this market you have a winner!! However, it’s such a fantastic car physical and documentation wise I completely understand why at this point you would elect to stay with it. Thanks for all your help with referrals!!

[@andrewpolasek5524]

I really like these cars but the one thing that turned me off on the 964 was the super heavy manual steering. My brother had one with the smaller 3 spoke wheel which made it even worse.

[@philtroskey3454]

Thinking of buy one. Conv 911 s0ft top for $15000..got to see next week

[@solo9509]

Beautiful car and great maintenance! I own a NA Miata which cost the same as your annual running cost😂

[@luciosocias6345]

As kid i grewpup with the G-Series, the car is stunning. don't sell that beauty. I own 96 993 NB. 2n love.

[@tycotoys]

My 2002 12:48 Toyota Camry V6 with 211K mikes on it has only cost me $500/ year in maintenance. This is averaged out over the past 20 years of ownership.

[@elvincuevas1727]

I think now that the three cars all have been sorted out the 993 and 964 will be less expensive to maintain than the red 1986 if they are driven the same amount of road miles in the long term from now and on...

[@85oceanic60]

Man, I got crushed buying mine in this market. Mine needs a TON of work - 86 911 3.2 as well.

[@Rennthusiast]

That’s ok. Try to forget the money and just fall in love with the car. I got hurt on my 964 when I bought it (transmission issue - needed a rebuild) but I’m over it now and loving the car.

[@johnwilliams7530]

Will the effort that you put in to this is great, thanks for that. I have had a 70’s 911s, 80s Carrera and now 993. I think the main thing is understanding that the cars will need things. Much of your work is to get it to “dialed” which is great! I think from owning the 70/80s cars the first thing I would tell someone is that these things are going to leak oil over time 😂. It’s inevitable and becomes a how much does this bother you and when to do something about it. My guess is that you will fix immediately but others get used to a bit of a drip here and there (that doesn’t affect performance). Having worked with the same air cooled shop here in Portland for 20 years (Heckmann and Thieman) the input of the owner and chief mechanic is invaluable. They would flat out say don’t worry about it right now and out off things that really aren’t urgent. Another key is so much of these cars is DIY possible. Great outline of your costs and having had similar cars to you this 80s Carrera is definitely in my mind the best! (Says the guy with a 993)

[@Rennthusiast]

Thanks for the positive vibes. My 86 is leaking a bit of oil now but I don’t mind. It’s just the reality of these cars. I’m getting ready to make a couple of cool changes to the car so stay tuned. 🙌🏼

[@adam-davidvaught8382]

That is a really good price total overall 👌🏽👌🏽

[@chadbailey7038]

Super helpful information. Thanks for the time & attention to detail. 🙌🏾 ⚡️

[@kevinhorne9643]

Worked on and test drove some Porsches but never got one in my stable. Any Targa 911 (air cooled) would be a dream for me but I know that I would have to know what the car is truly capable of which means a closed track only and well $$$$$ later how often do you get to drive one properly? I have fun on my 2006 Vespa GT 200 scooter at 90+ MPG! Your video on the subject is graciously sobering as a Porsche dreamer; maybe I can find a cheap 914 somewheres...

[@TheWombatCredenza]

Great content - thanks !

[@raimondibro]

I want a late 80s so bad. I’m a master tech so all maintenance, even down to engine rebuilds, trans rebuilds, diff rebuilds, sunroof replacement etc. are no problem for myself. It’s just the initial cost investment for me. Saving for house and kids unfortunately takes priority. One day!

[@brendanodonnell6419]

Another great video. Yep, you lucked out on the pre-COVID cost (it was top notch). Current value is under rated in the $65-70k estimate. So your actual running costs vs elective changes can break your figures down more. Tire swaps are electives ( you needed the first pair, you wanted an upgrade to the second). If you sold the tires you replaced your actual cost is lower. The shifter kit is an elective, but really good info. The exhaust swap is also your choice, there was nothing wrong with what it came with. So the annual cost is not as much. This video is excellent because you have to discuss both groups of cost - must does and elective. Your pre purchase costs are real - that my friend is the most important info you shared, the front end investment to get the right ride. It’s insurance. One of the best channels for enthusiasts out there - keep up your great work, and thanks for adding the Facebook (Meta😉) page.

[@Rennthusiast]

Thanks so much for the comment, the positivity and for watching!

[@cwilder1116]

I've seen a few similar 3.2's on BAT for well in 70's. You are sitting pretty IMHO. In fact, I think your's is nicer. More documentation and some nice accessories. I really like this car. Great content as well keep it up.

[@neilfisher7999]

It sounds like you are well positioned in this car based on the market right now. I have a nephew who has an 87 that he acquired about 3 years ago and his is well sorted today. He probably has a little less in it than you do, but was able to do a lot of the work himself. Since the car is well sorted at this point, you shouldn't have to spend near as much each year keeping it in good shape unless you are just doing elective things and mods.

[@dancruga]

My porsche targa 1982 cost me 47,500 and plus 8k for maintaining. Very similar to youo👍🏻

[@3.2Carrera]

I do my own work on my Carrera 3.2 where I can and most of the maintenance I can easily do for next to nothing. I repaired my electrical, sunroof, radio, brake flush, fresh air blower, etc for parts only and that's peanuts compared to the cost of labor to put love into the car. These cares were hand by actual humans people using hand tools and can be disassembled and rebuilt in the home garage by the owner in the exact same way. So much easier than modern cars with their cramped engine compartments and pre-built componentry that's not designed to be rebuilt.

[@Rennthusiast]

Sounds like you’re in a good spot.

[@tomasteckavesely]

Exactly. Its super cheap car to maintain if you can do it your self. The oil service on my 3,2 G50 car is like 150USD. I also changed the seal and velcro strap around roof window, and it was like 17 or 20 EUR.

[@williambrandt9254]

Thanks for that informative video. Some things that came to my mind at first when you said you've driven it 4000 miles in two years that seems rather sparingly but then you've got other Porsches And some of your cost was purely elective like the tires and exhaust system so I don't know whether you should include that in a "cost of ownership" for a prospective owner Just my thoughts not a critique I thought on and off of getting a 911 air cooled for years but the maintenance cost have always scared me. Particularly the engine overhaul cost which most likely you would be looking at today I have a 1996 Mercedes-Benz SL 500 and I'm definitely upside down in that They are very inexpensive these days on the good side but on the bad side many of them have been shamefully neglected as far as maintenance requirements From a new factory remanufactured transmission to convertible top to top hydraulic cylinders I'm definitely "upside down in the car". But I wouldn't be afraid to drive it across the country now Anyway thank you for the video and a thumbs up

[@nmcdonald1056]

be good to break down by need vs want. have had an 1985 since 1992. Has been great, after selling a boxster decided to put some $$$ into it. Like the idea of the paint restore. would also love to know how you find someone to work on it. Usually take it to the dealer but.... Your car is beautiful!! I love the red, my boxster was a red.

[@goatcoffee]

@Rennthusiast thanks for the great videos and your transparency on owning one of the beauties ⚡️🐐

[@garomardirosian4084]

I love the stance on the car. Can you share the front and rear tire size and also if the car has been lowered. I have a 1988 Carrera coupe and I want to make it look just like yours. Thanks in advance.

[@JimGlasgow-e5o]

Kept an MX5 for 23yrs , ownership cost was a fraction of the 911 but I suggest way more fun .

[@Rennthusiast]

Those cars have a place and an enthusiast community which I respect…but I would submit they lack the soul and heritage of the older air cooled Stuff

[@uweheinrich6784]

I maintain an ownership log like yours (no gas cost - nor insurance) - only service and technical keep up for my 2015 Porsche Cayman GTS. I own this car for 5 years and annual costs amount to $ 689.00 for weekend driving only. I think, if I would "daily" the car, such costs could amount to $ 1,000 - $ 1,200 a year. So, this number may help some viewers to compare such costs between a classic Porsche and a newer one...I think the 1:4 ratio for "newer versus classic" sounds about right for an overall perspective.

[@techo61]

1:22 76k to 84k miles in two years. Four thousand miles a year is the definition of a garage queen.

[@RayRay-rk5bd]

I have an 87 Carrera approx 12 years now. Typical yearly maintenance $100. Did change tires-$ 4K, replace gas tank sending unit, and lines $2.4 K. Most parts are available. 12 years honeymoon hasn't ended. Drive 6 mths a year only.

[@paulallen1899]

Did i read that correctly, 4k for tires? Is that for 1 set of tires or for multiple tire changes over the years?

[@RayRay-rk5bd]

@paulallen1899 I forgot to mention change 4 brakes ( don't remember what specifically) and 4 tires at the same time.

[@stranstudio]

Subbed! I regret not buying one 5 years ago when I had the chance 😢.

[@views40]

Hey Will, excellent video! Thank you. Can I ask which car lift you use?

[@haiboj4979]

I am a long time jdm person who always loved G body 911, I am just lurking around and saving up for one now, I gotta say the running cost is definately lower than I expected, thats including 2 sets of tires too. It is certainly lower than my still mostly stock 1994 GTR...

[@Rennthusiast]

Yes, the 3.0 and 3.2 liter g bodies are super reliable, especially if you don’t fall down the modification rabbit hole.

[@haiboj4979]

@@Rennthusiast how are things like window trim and seals? These are rubber details that matter a lot, and they can get very expensive, for example on my 94 Nissan the side window seal retainer cost 1200 per side...

[@edwardvillate2112]

It has been EXTREMELY USEFUL, this VIDEO for me , even if it's a bit OUTDATED, on the day that I'M what ching it, because I'm thinking of buying one this PORSCHE , after the initial purchase & all necessary inspections & service's to be on safe side , I will have reserve's of $ 10 000 per year..... as a daily driver.....

[@Rennthusiast]

So glad to hear it’s useful. Remember, once you get them sorted, running costs will come down. And also, if you can not fall prey to wanting to mod it, you’ll save even more. Thanks for watching!

[@TorneroCarlos]

I feel like a lot of your costs have been elective. Cost of acquisition, sun roof leak, window switch, brake light, ac fan, door catch, routine maintenance (fluids), clutch adjustments, seals seem required. The “required repairs” number would be interesting to see. Paint correction, wevo shifter, exhaust, tires, all elective imho.

[@Rennthusiast]

You’re right. No doubt.

[@TorneroCarlos]

@@Rennthusiast I guess the line between elective and required can be a bit blurred sometimes depending on the needs of the individual. Anyway, great content as always.

[@Rennthusiast]

Thank you. 🙌🏼

[@TorneroCarlos]

@@Rennthusiast please post a pic with those Group 4 Campys once they're on.

[@g0lfguy]

Really appreciate you videos. Will be in the market in a couple of years and these are helping think through what would be the best fit for me.

[@Goham7]

Beautiful car and well explained on the ownership. Good for me to hear and sobering $

[@allenuconn]

Such a gorgeous car! The ownership of an air cooled Porsche requires plenty of cash and/or a solid mechanical knowledge to maintain the vehicle yourself. There is no real cheap way to own one and to have it run and look as good as your vehicle. You need cash and/or skills once you put one in your garage.

[@TxGerman]

I would suggest you need both. I did almost all of my work which left more of my budget available to buy more “stuff” for the mods and updates that I wanted to do.

[@Rennthusiast]

Agree

[@chicagomuziek1376]

Hey Allen, I had never wrenched on a car before, other than an oil change, but I started doing all sorts of maintenance on my 1979 911. KZbin has incredible teachers at your fingertips. I rebuilt a front brake caliper, a window regulator, overhauled sloppy shifting issues by replacing bushings and other parts. Yes, I got sweaty palms a few times, but as a newbie with initially very little knowledge, I started getting more and more comfortable working on it. Granted, it was not a numbers matching, high value car. It scared me at first, because this is a “Porsche “ I’m working on, but I felt it to be a very rewarding process and I saved lots of $$ along the way. So I don’t think people should be overly intimidated to take on some maintenance issues.

[@traildomination86]

Amen to that! 🙏

[@alhoxoxo]

Someone is selling a 1980 911sc with 60k miles for 9k and idk if I should buy it as it is stick shift, would be my first stick shift car, (I have driven and drive stick shifts quite often at work.)

[@johnnymula2305]

How much do you estimate cost of ownership would be for an individual that does all their own auto body and mechanical work?

[@Rennthusiast]

Much, much less 😂

[@spirro-eg1yl]

I have a dilemma, I have a 991.2 C2 but feel I want a 86-87 G body. I currently lack time and a mechanic to buy a project. May I ask your opinions? Do you feel paying $90-100K plus for a sorted (if in your opinion that is the price for sorted) G body makes sense or will I miss out on the journey/bonding by paying less and having it sorted out myself?

[@victoryepik487]

to be onest me and my dad are searching for a 911 and we are thinking if we buy a old one or a modern one and now thx to u we decided to buy a 930 cabriolet

[@philtroskey3454]

I'm thinking about buying one last car before I die I have a Corvette 04 never put a tune up on it

[@bmxcanada]

I bought my 83 in 1995. For the first 15 years it cost me tires and oil, oil and air filters, and transmission fluid...that is it. I put the car away for 12 years, and since this is an appreciating asset, dropped 14k last year. This year will spend 10k on an aesthetic upgrade and 7k to do a transmission rebuild, wevo and coupler in the winter. Easily worth every penny when you get in and turn the key.

[@Rennthusiast]

Couldn’t agree more. I do these cost videos to help people in the market understand what they’re getting into when buying one. I personally don’t mind one bit spending the money though. Totally worth it. YOLO