Reno T-6 Crash, What I saw from 500 ft away

[@JuanPtGigaWatz]

I was on the roof of a house almost directly below where the pilots collided. Six cat went down in the field less than 400 feet behind us. There is no doubt in our mind he did everything he could to keep the plane away from us. A true hero. He saved me and my family’s life that day. Rest is peace sir.

[@nathanielbailey108]

I’m surprised the announcer’s request worked, those who have crash video have respectfully refrained from posting, and instead sent to NTSB. As far as I can tell, the video isn’t out there. That’s amazing to me. What a wonderfully respectful crowd amongst those who fortunately/unfortunately had a camera out. Thanks for the update sir.

[@retydeere1111]

we really appreciate your time and efforts in recording the last Reno race Brian. Get some rest friend,

[@davidb6576]

Thanks for this "closure" video, Mr. Murray. A very sad way to end the Reno story. I never attended but was aware of it from a young age. Not so young anymore, and now it's part of History.

[@Magravated]

I agree about the quality of the races this year. I went to the races from 1984 to 1999 and I never saw as many tight races and hard-fought battles as there were this year. I still can't believe they ended this way. I always hoped that one day I could go back and watch the unlimiteds run. I'm literally crying right now. Condolences to the families and fans of the lost pilots. May the rest in peace.

[@nattybumpo7156]

This was my first opportunity to attend. Drove 3000 miles. I am still amazed, in particular by the Sportsman classes. I watched this collision from the T6 pits.

[@LightningRaptorII]

Well spoken, and very respectful. Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts. I pray it will help heal not only the family and friends of pilots but the racing community as well.

[@dagwood527]

I've been following Nick Macy since I was a kid. I was looking at his plane in the pits in 2000. He invited me under the rope and walked me around it. He asked me about flying, and then offered to sign my program. He was such a good guy. I will miss watching him race.

[@scoutXM]

I wasn’t too far from where you were. Glad you were able to get your story out, it’s cathartic just hearing you tell it. It’s conflicting wanting to talk about what happened while also not wanting to over share, speculate, or whatever. Hope you’re doing alright.

[@westilldontknow3407]

thank you for the update. i am so sad that reno is no more. the tragic accident on sunday is a terrible end to this era. my condolences to the families and friends of the two pilots who lost their lives, rest in peace. a german fan

[@justinc71]

Thank you for the additional info and updates about the award ceremony, it helps tremendously. We were in the grandstands and saw both go down, it's been tough to process and our hearts go out to the families and crews.

[@reddog-ex4dx]

Thank you Brian for putting this up. This helps me in my sorrow for the accident. My heart breaks and grieves for the families and friends and fellow pilots and their families. This accident just goes to show that no matter how much one looks around to see what's around them, this can happen. I hope my words are not offensive, I just wanted to say something. Thanks

[@180mph9]

Thanks for putting this out, I can assure you that you are not alone, many of us are feeling unsettled about what took place also. I personally follow F-1 and some motorcycle events and I wish they would have proceeded with the race, but of course it’s their call. Sorry you had to experience such an up close and personal view of this tragedy, I feel this helps many others that have the same feelings, thank you for sharing your feelings.

[@Rysher735]

Thank you for sharing this, I was there watching your livestream and for a few long minutes i did not even realize what actually happened, the people's reaction in the background, including yours had me frozen, then it became clear that such accident cannot be surviveable for any occupants affected. Exactly a week before that we have lost 2 pilots in a T-28 Trojan crash at the Borgond Airshow, Hungary, then came the next weekend with the Italian jet and then this, with the T-6 midair collision. 2023 really is not the year of airshows, I can tell u that. RIP and condolences to the families. Glad to see that you're okay. Take care man.

[@rods1379]

Hello Brian. I met you during the races at the site in this video (pirate shirt). I appreciate the excellent video coverage of the races you've provided. I meant to give you my contact information but got sidetracked. I sent a series of photos to the NTSB. My heart goes out to the families and friends of the pilots. Thank you for having the courtesy to make this video in such a thoughtful way.

[@Chuck_Carolina]

Good Job Brian. The world looked for information at a bad time and found you still on the air. I wish you the best,

[@mattinsley1721]

I watched your live stream most of the weekend. Great reporting, Brian. So sad to see Reno have to end on such a somber note.

[@bobwilson758]

Actually , most we’re watching the stream - live as you had it on . Thanks - Was fun ‘till the race Was over …

[@mustangsandwich]

Thanks for sharing, Brian. I was there earlier in the week to take in the last Reno Air Race with smaller turnout. Have been sad over the end of this. Sad that it ended like this. Even though I'm not very religious I found myself praying for the souls of these two fellow aviators Sunday night...

[@taofledermaus]

I imagine it can be pretty tiring to wrestle those planes for a whole race. There's a good chance they had some Gopros rolling in the cockpits and the footage from those will tell the story to the NTSB.

[@Brian.Murray]

I know there was a production crew that had live cameras in some cameras too. I don’t know if they did, but these two racers would have been prime candidates for it. I know there is footage from the ground tho that hasn’t been released publically.

[@taofledermaus]

@@Brian.Murray I don't know if I want to see it. Thanks Brian

[@Brian.Murray]

@@taofledermaus agreed. At least not for a bit.

[@ShawnPossible]

My heart goes out to you, Brian. Man, that crunch will live in my mind forever. I'll keep you posted on the information I receive from my T-6 pit crew friend.

[@Brian.Murray]

@@ShawnPossible thanks again for all the support. I really do appreciate it. DM me your address and I’ll send you some swag. I have some stickers I can send out.

[@SomeTechGuy666]

I'e been waiting for this. The fans need closure. Thank you for sharing.

[@mtlassen1992]

There was another midair in almost that same spot in 1994, also T6's. I had just parked my Jeep off Osage Rd, the planes came directly towards me when I saw the two planes on my left hand side collide about ¼ mile out. I can still hear the sound in my mind like a lawnmower hitting a big rock. I saw twisted pieces of aluminum flutter out in all directions, and one wing, possibly ¾ of it separate from one plane as that plane began to barrel roll downward, just clearing where we stood and fell almost straight down, and just hit the corner of a house. The prop was still going full speed as it hit, and chopped the stucco maybe 7 or 8 swipes. The dust flew out like a big smoke ring, but no fire. The sound took a few seconds to reach us it seemed. I then saw pieces hitting the ground all around us, and grabbed my son and pushed him under my Jeep. After 30 seconds we crawled out, and saw that separated wing spinning very fast as it fell to the ground across the street in someones driveway. NTSB was there within 15 minutes and took a statement from us. The other plane landed right away but I didn't see it. The dead pilots name was Ralph Twombly, and The video of this crash is on youtube. I can see my Jeep in that video in the distance. Very sad start to the races! Here is the link to the 1994 crash; kzbin.info/www/bejne/qXSWg6mQqp2Sn8Usi=evztintvT1z9hkv6

[@Brian.Murray]

I had a conversation with one of the first responders to this accident during the week. It was a bit unsettling the way he told it.

[@mtlassen1992]

@@Brian.Murray My son was with me, 10 at the time. He told me "Dad, go see if he is ok"😔 Ralph's plane went spinning over us maybe 150 feet up. Shook me up more than my son.

[@GlennSisson]

My first year at Reno was 1978. Two T6's had a mid-race midair rounding the western pylons. One seemed to just disintegrate. The second appeared to be flying okay. Like Brian, I thought "maybe it will fly away okay". I anxiously watched as the T6 flew a slow descent into the ground. Both pilots killed. This year I was in the stands and watched this T6 race. Like nearly everyone else I wasn't watching them land. The gasps and screams from the few that were watching alerted the rest of us but it had already happened by then so most of us only saw distant dust plumes.

[@carwest11]

Thanks for the video Brian. As a first year viewer its pretty hard to comprehend. You do good stuff

[@figit090]

Thank you for sharing this. It just occured to me that you're the one that posted the how-to on attending Reno that I am so thankful for. We were first-timers and you helped it become a memorable event for us. Its odd to be back on your channel for sad circumstances such as this, but thank you again for helping us. I've been having trouble posting anything from Reno since I heard the news. We were there on Wed/Thurs and Chris was one of the pilots to sign our program. It was obvious he loved aviation and everyone involved; he asked us just as many questions as we asked him and made us feel appreciated. It broke my heart to learn he and Nick passed. I wished I could have met Nick and known them both. Sending his family and friends love and healing throughout this tragedy, and support to you and all aviation fans who were affected by this. Blue skies and tailwinds, Chris and Nick.❤

[@ToddDunning]

Starting to sound very similar to the Airacobra and B-17. Both turning left, the high plane's vision blocked by its low wing.

[@tinytattoomike7943]

I was thinking the same

[@scoutXM]

No, both planes were flying straight and level pretty much. No maneuvering whatsoever.

[@mikefromflorida8357]

Your unscripted and unpolished video is absolutely great. Despite your shock at what you saw and experienced, your presentation is very worthy of recommendation.

[@creationsinmetal]

Thank you Brian for the update and your perspective!

[@dirtcurt1]

As far as radio calls, I heard the tower in another race give a correction heading to avoid each other. I put my two fingers up and covered both planes and they couldn’t see each other. I was surprised but the air was really clear the whole week. Clear air is really hard to see each other especially with earth in the background.

[@nathanielbailey108]

While I don’t race, I’ve done a few things with warbirds. And after the Texas raiders crash, me and a coworker had a similar conversation. If it were us, we’d want them to keep going too. The vast majority of the aviation community has a passion for it like nothing else. Don’t stop doing it on one’s behalf due to tragedy like this, it’s not how they’d want to be remembered, as the reason we stopped flying. Of course, day-of friends dying is different. Don’t fly if you’re mentally unable to. But don’t cease flying forever. Get well and fly again.

[@robertlafnear7034]

I'm not sure who took the photo of one of the planes in a straight down dive but it was posted..... my heart stopped...... glad you were not right under this but 500 ft. is really close.

[@Brian.Murray]

I saw that photo too. I know someone has video and I think that’s a pic of their screen. It kinda struck me instantly that it was exactly what I saw but from the other side.

[@dickhanks755]

@@Brian.Murray also from that still photo... you could see that the left wing (from the pilot's perspective) was pretty chewed up on the trailing edge and the left aileron was missing. So it had to have been a collision from behind right to left, first taking off the tail and then the propeller chewing up the back side of the left wing

[@scoutXM]

@@dickhanks755wing first, then tail

[@goldspout]

Thank you for your heartfelt accounts of the tragedy at this year's Reno Air Races. I attended the races in 1994 and witnessed the mid air collision that took the life of Ralph Twombley in an AT6. The 'Big Red' plane in the race managed to land after being hit by Ralph trying to get on the inside lane. This was harrowing to witness.

[@troyjohnston1700]

Thank you Brian. I was watching your live stream when it happened.

[@glastornjet73]

Thank you your coverage was awesome! Really sucks it had to end this way. As much as i love anything oval racing and airplanes especially warbirds and it realy blows this is probably the end all together for oval pylon racing if not all air racing. The worst part is no one will ever have the opportunity to ever see a wwii fighter at full song pushed to the very limit in person ever again. You will only ever see them cruising around in formations putting along.

[@dirtcurt1]

I have been witness to 4 crashes, two fatal one of the two multiple. The double fatal was really horrible in many ways that will never leave my mind. Fortunately, the noise in my mind has lessened. For two weeks I couldn’t get away from it. It was so loud. The best description was a large pile of corrugated tin and you dropped a bowling ball from 100 feet into it. It rang in my ears for two weeks and writing this years later gets my eyes watering. It was a 172 that was having trouble landing and ended up doing a wing over from 400 feet straight in full throttle. Fortunately, everything will settle in your mind and become bearable. My buddy standing next to me still agrees it was a lot to deal with and isn’t far away in our minds. Just roll with it. Talk about it as you are doing. Justify it however you can. They were having a blast up until the crash. They knew the risk. Sorry for the long winded reply but I have a feeling you are PTSDing and I hope this helps a bit.

[@klemay14]

I was there to witness the accident as well. I was further down the street and saw it come down about 1000ft from where I was standing. It was a tragic way to end the final race in Reno, and I really hope it doesn't end it for good. This sport definitely has an inherent danger to it, but the community is unlike any other I have ever had the chance to be a part of and I hope it has the chance to continue on.

[@metonicycle6294]

provide video evidence please

[@rarebear7788]

​@@metonicycle6294he doesn't need to.

[@metonicycle6294]

@@rarebear7788 cause it didn't happen

[@rarebear7788]

@metonicycle6294 yes it absolutely did happen, hundreds of people, including myself saw it happen.

[@metonicycle6294]

@@rarebear7788 please provide a video...hundreds were there, there must be at least one. Hundreds of smart phones.

[@alancranford3398]

A rough video is appropriate.' I was there Sunday for the morning but left due to a severe blister. Couldn't walk, couldn't stand, no place to sit, so I left around noon and was at a rest stop about 70 miles east when the accident happened. I didn't find out until Tuesday that there had been a crash that ended the final Reno Air Race.

[@mh53eflyguy]

Thank you for your commentary about Creighton when I asked. You said it perfectly. Now subscribed.

[@Cookiemusta775]

Took me awhile to gain the courage to say this but I was there this year as well. I was in the valley of speed camping and the collision took place right above my head. Watched the whole thing happen. After watching the planes hit the ground I looked up and the sky was full of debris falling and we had to run for cover. It was a horrible experience and such a terrible TERRIBLE way to end the air races. Especially because the race was over!!! There was no reason for them to be so close to one another... very sad. Leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I was there for the 2011 Ghost crash which was my all time favorite plane. Was there last year for the jet crash and was there this year for this crash. Very very sad... wish it ended on a better note. It was also the first year I took my daughter out there and it really sucks that her only air race experience was that horrible crash. I'm just glad it wasn't worse than what it was and that no civilians were injured. Blue sky's for the two pilots that passed away. I also can never get the sound of that collision out if my head. Its absolutely horrible.

[@195511SM]

Well..... i've been searching all this time for some footage of the actual collision, and still yet to see anything. I attended my first air race when I moved to Sparks in 2010. I'm in northern CA this year....and in the hospital following a stroke, so had to miss out. Worked the security rope-line a couple of years & very sad to hear that the Reno Air Races are gone forever.

[@Brian.Murray]

There is footage but nobody has released it. When that comes out I may talk about it but that’ll be a result of the NTSB report in a few months. The guys who have the video have stated they will not be posting it online.

[@connorjohnson4402]

@@Brian.Murray Yea often times the pylon judges and other people on the course or working in the field have the best views of things and they arent ones to release or share the footage or photos out of respect for the people involved, the one photo that has been shown around looked like a screenshot of someones camera so its possible that whoever originally took it wasnt who shared it . But despite most people morbid curiosity some things really dont need to be out there on the internet for everyone to see.

[@Brian.Murray]

@@connorjohnson4402 most people inside the pylons have a contract stating a “cameras down” and “no release” policy. In prior years I was bound to it as I had media credentials. Eventually that will come out as the NTSB publishes reports. I don’t necessarily agree that showing video is a sign of disrespect; if it’s done right, the lessons we can learn from an accident are far more valuable. But there definitely are some ambulance chasers out there, and releasing things prematurely or speculation on incomplete information can lead to poor conclusions.

[@thatstinsongirl]

@@connorjohnson4402as pylon judges, we are not allowed to post any footage of accidents or pictures of any crash sites.

[@cavecookie1]

Condolences to the family and friends of the pilots. My neighbor just told me that he had been friends with Nick Macy in 6 Cat for years.

[@THATONEULTIMATECOASTER2CREATOR]

Both crashed like a mile away from me and I’m so grateful that it didn’t hit are house. I saw smoke and thought it was the thunder birds but i found out in later on.

[@genechronister7085]

We lived on osage at one time! Allways a strange time out there

[@peterhuisveld3511]

Thank you, Brian. That had to be hard to do.

[@troydavis2319]

Not sure if others have pointed it out, but you can see some debris falling at upper left of video about 23:15 in.

[@TheMonolake]

Is vid of the occurrence being suppressed ?

[@nav662007]

Brian, having followed your live stream on Sunday, and now having seen this, thank you for sharing this with all of us. I know the NTSB appreciates any information they can get to help figure out the root cause. I am sure RARA, or whatever future organization carries on the air races, will incorporate any lessons learned.

[@Brian.Murray]

I spent about 4 hours today uploading stuff to the NTSB service. The radio calls and area audio is all I have but they feel it’s valuable.

[@murrayhelmer8941]

Great broadcasting under tough circumstances. Was there no biplane class this year?

[@thatstinsongirl]

There was no biplane class this year due to a lawsuit filed by one of last year’s racers. It’s my understanding that they settled, but not in time for the class to race

[@murrayhelmer8941]

@@thatstinsongirl do you know what the issue was?

[@thatstinsongirl]

@@murrayhelmer8941 it’s my understanding one racer wasn’t happy with the results of last year, and some allegations that were made against him. I think either AOPA or FlyingMag did an article on the issue.

[@murrayhelmer8941]

@@thatstinsongirl thanks. I looked it up. Pretty interesting

[@murrayhelmer8941]

@@thatstinsongirl yes I just read it thanks. 🙂

[@velvetrooster5569]

The very unfortunate part about witnessing this particular crash is that there’s not going to be a lot of witnesses because it was after a race. People pay attention to the races, but then they tend to go back to talking to their other people around them walking around the event, and just not being attention to the racers anymore, because the race is over, which is why I can tell you that a lot of people did not witness this happen unlike previous race crashes that took place mid race. I’m both thankful and regretful that people had to witnesses for the little that actually did see the incident take place because those witnesses can be very helpful to the investigation, and those who filmed it can add valuable information to the investigation, but it’s always heartbreaking to watch someone die and witness it happen. It’s even worse when multiple people are taken from us in a crash such as this.

[@connorjohnson4402]

So just an imput on the continuing racing thing I cant speak to the other classes wanting to race or not but a big factor involved in them being able to continue or not is this state of the Crash , Fire, Rescue. With the crash locations both being off airport property neither of the two scenes were really secure entirely and the units on scene couldn't really have been released to return to their posts for races to continue. Had they had both been inside of airport property as well as off of any of the race courses there is a possibility they might have been able to continue but it pretty unlikely cause there's a lot that has to happen procedure wise with the incidents and associated investigations and being later on in the day timing wise it would've been hard to continue as well. But without enough of the assets they have out there available they wont continue racing because without the full compliment of units, they have a degraded ability to respond to any potential maydays or incidents. Just figured id mention one other aspect to things. Thanks for your video and it is a bummer to have things end this way and hopefully they will find somewhere new to keep racing going, but ill definitely miss it being right in our own backyards.

[@danielchurchill9004]

Brian I thank you

[@elliothuh669]

You know those cameras drones have. this could be a horrible idea ,or a great idea .But they could stick a camera in the nose of the plane and a screen inside of the cockpit. To help with blind spots.

[@scotabot7826]

So no info on who hit who, or the accident at all, other than the few seconds afterward??

[@jftman53]

No doubt this uncontrolled positioning call outs will be modified by each racer being given an altitude level from where to start landing off of. Each plane will not be allowed to collide bcuz of visible incapacity.

[@mh53eflyguy]

Someone has a pic of Chris with no tail and clear prop strikes from Six-cat on the outboard wings. I just saw that today. Stil pics.

[@malcolmmarzo2461]

Air traffic control at this event has more than the usual number of people in the tower. What happened to traffic separation and communication?

[@Brian.Murray]

They operate like a CTAF at the event. They have a lot going on.

[@malcolmmarzo2461]

@@Brian.Murray For years I assumed the people in the Stead tower were doing traffic control. It is surprising to hear that they operate like some unattended field out in the desert. Heck, Burning Man has a traffic controller monitoring inbound and outbound.

[@penzman5385]

They say flying is safer than driving, but we often see air show accidents. Flying in an airshow is nowhere close the safety score of commercial airlines with its huge amount of weekly flights.

[@dirtcurt1]

I got to sit on the 80 for and hour while they cleaned up a three car crash with a fatal while on my way home from the races Monday.

[@chadgriffith5819]

I have yet to see footage of the crash.

[@kathrynmcmorrow7170]

Perhaps no camera within the vicinity was still trailing over the first two finishers? Seems hard to imagine however.

[@Brian.Murray]

There is footage but the folks who have it aren’t publicly releasing it. It’ll come out with the NTSB report.

[@seafurycentral3744]

Story well told

[@Hi-lb8cq]

Just imagine having a great time rooting for the pilots and then all of a sudden see 2 of the pilots get killed...one minute they are here and one minute they aren't

[@Nemesisnxt]

Correct, “see and avoid” does NOT work,

[@HoundDogMech]

It took U over 5 minuts to fet to the story your title of (Reno T-6 Crash, What I saw from 500 ft away) said. Make it Short Bro.

[@Brian.Murray]

Nope. It’s what I saw. Posted the day after. If you want a punchy video then go watch a Mr Beast video and get your little dopamine hit.

[@av8or971]

so the answer is nothing.. you saw nothing

[@donb7740]

When the chips were down, you managed to get a shot of a tree.........

[@enigmawyoming5201]

Reminds me of the time back in 2021 when I couldn’t get into the restaurant bathroom in Ohio because the door was locked. 20 minutes later I was watching an ambulance gurney carting off a body that had overdosed in that bathroom. Yeah, it’s traumatic to see the results of people risking their lives doing things they love where the consequences were tragic. Taking risks with your life is risky. At least the druggie wasn’t risking innocent people’s lives on the ground that might have been collateral damage to their own personal risk taking.

[@hondaxl250k0]

Lives on the ground are not innocent!! When you chose to go to an air show or race you choose to to take the risk.. you know things can happen. But you still go.. tragic yes. But I do not trade freedom for safety.. the races should continue.. they have always been dangerous.. it’s your choice .. don’t hinder others for your feelings

[@enigmawyoming5201]

@@hondaxl250k0 If it makes my point more clear, I don’t give a shit about telling people what they can or can’t do if they assume risk. It’s the people that have no interest in an event that might die because of an accident in that event I’m concerned about.

[@kathrynmcmorrow7170]

@@enigmawyoming5201 While this venue is clearly one of higher accident prone aircraft racing, this is inevitably true of every aircraft going down.

[@crsnhppr8256]

The problem is these older rich boomers with money are increasingly unhealthy and less cognizant of things so flying and maintenance quality goes down. Sort of a symbiotic entropy yielding predictable outcomes. Older air races didn’t have such a monetarily-shoehorned demographic of pilots and mechanics.

[@pavelavietor1]

why the drama

[@Chuck_Carolina]

The gentleman was live streaming the events for the general public to watch the air races near where this midair happened. Turned out, that his live stream was the only live action still being broadcasted: all other live streaming was cut before viewers were told or aware that an accident had occurred - many, including myself, found his feed still-live and him just figuring out he was the only one still broadcasting. This Chap did a Yeoman's job of keeping the public informed of the things on the ground that were fast breaking. Bad enough what happened - but with the world now turning for information from this cool customer who never intended to have this moment in time trust upon him. I suggest you get up off his back a minute,

[@pavelavietor1]

@@Chuck_Carolina yes he said he witnessed the midair. Thanks for repeating it. Are you a professional repeater, did you witnessed the midair , do you have something to add , with out drama, just presenting the data witnessed. saludos

[@Chuck_Carolina]

@@pavelavietor1 The live streaming went out from RARA I was watching. It took me about two minutes to find this guy still broadcasting. What kind of sick 'content drama' are you looking for?

[@pavelavietor1]

@@Chuck_Carolina I am looking for you dramatic response, I am writing a book 📖 about , human condition reflexes. It will be titled,,, PRIMITIVE DEFENSE OF COLOR CODED HUMANS. Thanks so much for participating in my research, note 📝 the book will be in the Castilian, Catalan, Aranes, Gallego, English, Portuguese languages. Saludos

[@metonicycle6294]

NO vid no crash

[@enigmawyoming5201]

Just the fact that this video was shot in front of a house 500 ft. from the accident is evidence these risk takers are not being very discriminate with other people’s lives that probably have no interest in being in a dangerous area because there are risk takers overhead that may end up killing other people.

[@pilotmike1296]

Go away troll

[@deanmurphy1240]

The house is not within the race area. Approximately diagonal to the runway, about a thousand feet from it. The base leg. Many people live in such areas all around the world. They purchase with disclosure that they are 'under' the pattern at stead.

[@ToddDunning]

Go hide under your bed Democrat

[@joshduke134]

They've been racing at Stead for 59 years. If someone is being indiscriminate, I'd say it's people building houses in close proximity to the race course of the National Championship Air Races. I'd have no problem living near an airport, but there's no way I'd live adjacent to the race course at Reno.

[@enigmawyoming5201]

@@joshduke134 Sounds like the same logic as blaming people for driving their cars where drunk people drive. It’s their own fault if a car hits them head on and kills their family. “People have been driving drunk on this road for 59 years… you should know better than drive on this road”.

[@MarkShinnick]

Not too helpful.