Pilot Argues About WHERE to Land

[@-Jethro-]

During a landing is exactly the right time for the controller to be distracting the pilot with a pointless argument.

[@thehark6247]

and two other aircraft on final

[@steveconaway774]

Women always need to have the final word.

[@JustMe-fo4ev]

@@steveconaway774 You needed to have the final word here so is there something you'd like to confess?

[@LeiSnows]

This is why men only should be allowed in important positions like piloting and atc. Women have no place in this field, and clearly, are incapable of doing the job.

[@isakeiriksson7833]

​@steveconaway774 there is always the unnecessary misogynistic comment when there is a woman involved in an incident

[@captainjksaviationlife248]

I'm one of the pilots who's been enjoying your videos a lot. Now I see 4 bars on your shoulder, Congrats captain Kelsey 😊👍🏻

[@mitchski98]

Congrats on CPT, 32 year Captain here🎉

[@JamesKintner]

Shamefully, I needed you to point that out. I didn't notice. Here I am patting myself on the back for knowing the difference at the airport yesterday and the guy I learned it from got promoted. 😢

[@sierramechanicalinc395]

Congratulations Captain!!!

[@bruceleealmighty]

Good catch. Didn't notice. Anything past two for us land dwellers seems redundant. Interesting how civilian pilots use Naval rank terms.

[@ramonmoreno8014]

@@bruceleealmightyThe military gets its words from language

[@Dcbbanker]

Thank you for mentioning that celebrities, many who never finished high school, have opinions that may have no worth at all. Just like the rest of us who have opinions in fields that we have not mastered. You’re a good guy, Kelsey.

[@MaxBenn]

No worries... I don't get my aviation information out of reddit... I use TikTok instead! Thanks for choosing NoWorries Airlines!

[@adamcumley3950]

Haha!

[@Maver1ck911]

HOLY SMOKES I JUST NOTICED KELSEY HAS 4 BARS!!! Congrats CAPTAIN!!!

[@davefarr4596]

Cappy Kelsey

[@gobarbless3871]

I just noticed that too. Way to go Kelsey !!!!

[@Ari-w7x6m]

Same here congrats

[@lauragrueninger6048]

I noticed too. Been wondering when it was going to finally happen. Way to go, Kelsey!

[@Hotecce1]

isnt it 4 stripes?

[@LusitaniaExpress]

I really like Kelsey, if you look on his youtube page and his intro photo you notice that he still uses pictures when he was a F.O., also if you look the way he dresses his uniform, it is actually very simple, you just see the epaulets, no pins, no pens, no adds etc, please don't forget Kelsey is now a 747 Cpt, I think the way he presents himself says a lot about the man, very simple but 1000% professional - KELSEY IS THE MAN - Thank you Sir, we love you here in Europe

[@toddsmith8608]

Oh wow, i didn't even notice, when did he upgrade to captain? Congratulations to Captain Kelsey!

[@Fluffy-Fluffy]

​@@toddsmith8608just a few months ago. Not even 6 months :)

[@X737_]

Well said

[@bellboy4074]

Sounds like you're in love.

[@LusitaniaExpress]

@@bellboy4074 ... no comments as this channel is mostly populated by intelligent ppl... so please make comments on channels appropriate for your low IQ , Fresh&fit or Whatever, I am sure they suit you better

[@WarrenGarabrandt]

That's a great point about the source of information. Google is NOT a source. Saying you googled for it and not saying where the information came from is like being asked where you bought something from and getting the reply "well, I drove in my car and bought it."

[@DrDeuteron]

What’s worse is calling “googled it”, “doing research”.

[@WiscoBoundTrucker]

I never thought of it that way, but you make a valid point.

[@chrisschack9716]

Google isn't a source, it points to sources.

[@Roccondil]

Not to mention, AI is now coming into the picture. Microsoft has implemented Copilot onto its Bing search pages, writing AI-generated answers to search queries alongside the link results. Google hasn't yet, but I am sure at some point soon they most likely will after seeing Microsoft do it. So "Googling it" in the future might end up becoming cases where someone typed in their search term and took whatever the integrated AI client wrote there as the answer, rather than going deeper into the actual resources.

[@janemiettinen5176]

I asked a friend where she had bought this particular, sorta foldable eyelash comb, she simply answered “From the store”.. We live in the city, so there’s more than one. Somehow this became a running joke between us, now everything comes from “the store”, no matter what it is.

[@alukata9763]

"possible controller deviation, i have a number for you to call" :D

[@papadopp3870]

lol! Yeah “Uh… tower, let me know when you have time to take down that number. 65 Charlie.”

[@Jayce-t4k]

right?! how fuggin easy would that have been? professional, fast, keeps the airwaves cleared, jeeze i cant believe this ATC operator

[@RealThunderberg]

If you're into aviation this man's channel is a must subscribe. Excellent presenter with a fun yet humble personality ✈️

[@mikeadams2677]

It sounds like you pilots sometimes have the same issue we truckers have with dispatchers. An aircraft controller who's never flown a plane trying to tell you how to fly your plane. They don't understand that the textbook is fundamentals but not every situation is going to be textbook. That comes with experience.

[@tomg6214]

A controller who googles an aviation term while working the tower and then argues with a pilot while landing is a controller that needs to be taken off the line, retrained, and if necessary re-examined.

[@robmorgan1214]

Exactly. That controller is an IDIOT.

[@mikoto7693]

Yeah I have to agree. Even on the ramp we’re taught to minimise our chatter on the radio.

[@NikosGkirgkinoudis]

re-examined? more like beheaded.

[@chaosensues1656]

DEI hire

[@robmorgan1214]

@chaosensues1656 In her case, it's more like DIE.

[@rickstein8081]

42 year Air Traffic Controller, mainly towers with 2 military approach control. A short approach to me has been generally considered to be anywhere inside where an average aircraft of that type would turn base leg. This typically means turning base inside of a mile past the numbers, especially on short runways. I have had short approaches for a piper cup at midfield when requested. I have had a Super King Air request a short approach and take it to a mile past the numbers before base leg, especially on a short field. Taking that into consideration, If I had approved a short approach expecting a certain behavior that didn't happen, and the downwind aircraft that I am expecting to do a short approach has extended downwind so far as to affect the next arrival, I just tell the subject aircraft to "Turn Base Leg." If the pilot calls back "unable," then my next transmission would be "Unable short approach, cancel landing clearance, extend downwind, follow (type aircraft) traffic on final at 1 O'clock, (mileage) on straight in final." In other words, control your pattern, take positive action to ensure safe operations. If you want to ask any type of question, wait until the pilot is on the ground to give the tower a phone call to discuss it. If the pilot is remaining in the pattern and not doing full stop taxi backs for pattern work, I may ask the pilot to describe to me where he would normally be expected to turn when conducting a short approach to determine the best course of action in the future.

[@briant7265]

Possibly even tell them up front how much room they have, if another aircraft is coming in?

[@rickstein8081]

@@briant7265I have used that technique also, but usually to ask a pilot if they can accept a short approach to get in front on traffic on final, or extend to follow, pilots choice.

[@zvexevz]

Yeah yeah, very reasonable, knowledgeable and ego-free way to approach this situation, befitting of someone with your years of experience. But this controller looked it up on G O O G L E and then got to flex her incredible research skills on a helpless pilot, just going about his business, who never saw it coming. That's something she can be proud of the rest of her life.

[@iclicklike3397]

@@zvexevz funny, like the top 5 or was it even top 3 results on google give conflicting answers. Not sure how she decided the turn abeam numbers is the correct one.

[@rickstein8081]

@@zvexevz You are right about the "appropriate method" about googling, but at the least, this controller needed the manager of that facility to use that sequence as part of a quarterly tape talk (a graded review of a controllers adherence to what we call "BOLD FACE" phraseology and approved methodology to conduct any given sequence of events) IMO, the controller involved here would have failed that tape talk, resulting in formal counseling discussing how not to behave on frequency in the future listing what is expected and must be improved on. Controllers are people too, and have good days, and bad days. This may be a good controller having a bad day, or it may be a regular behaviour for this person. We don't have all of the information.

[@jimbuck795]

Congratulations on becoming a captain, Kelsey.

[@Danny_Boel]

I just noticed it too

[@toddsmith8608]

Typical Kelsey to change out his epaulettes and not say anything. 😁

[@Danny_Boel]

@@toddsmith8608 He should totally redo the " look at me, I'm captain now" meme 😀

[@hrgunit]

I don't know why he didn't start KZbin with Captain epaulettes. I read on the google that he is not even a real pilot.

[@stevenr8606]

​@hrgunit , yeah, he's only a 7-year old kid❗️🙄 😂😂😂😂

[@misterhenchmen]

Yeah... that controller needs to call in... to her supervisor or something. she was unprofessional to bicker with him in the air. I love any time you mention Stella, that vid was so awesome. I think we would all LOVE to see another video with you 2 having adventures together. Your vids are awesome!

[@Mostopinionatedmanofalltime]

Stella! Hey Stellaaaa!😅

[@NEEDCheese]

@@Mostopinionatedmanofalltime Bang Zoom!

[@warsurplus]

The animations you've incorporated into your videos are very helpful. Thank you.

[@kristianstaalby8499]

Not animations. Its gameplay from MSFS 2020

[@AVisionInFur]

The segment discussing the importance of information literacy warmed my little academic heart.

[@TheeGlocktopus]

At the same time made me laugh because he used a bogus article about himself as proof. Chocolate milk? Dress Size 8? Lmao

[@AVisionInFur]

@@TheeGlocktopus That was perfection!

[@doncornish4173]

PLEASE Post your "old" video in it's entirety. You gave us some great pieces of it. Don't worry about the editing or the length being too long. Post it raw as you showed us!! Back me up 74 Crew... Thanks

[@LadyVoldemort]

Here, here! 🙋🏻‍♀️

[@DrDeuteron]

It’s not like we don’t have a fast forward button.

[@scottlewisparsons9551]

Yes, I would love to see that too! ❤

[@6thwilbury2331]

Signed. In fact, he could start a second channel called 74 Gear Long Haul specifically for his feature-length videos.

[@gr8deadfan75]

​@@LadyVoldemort, the saying is "hear, hear!"

[@rossk4864]

Here is what I found when I googled "short approach: "It is a clearance issued by tower controllers that allows a pilot to make the turns from downwind to base and final as close to the runway as they deem safe." It says nothing about turning base abeam the numbers. From my simple viewpoint as a non-pilot, this definition makes perfect sense because airplanes vary drastically in landing distance, as do the lengths of runways.

[@Phili2012]

And turning.

[@ebutuoyssa]

It actually does say base abeam (I knew neither of these terms, so I googled it). That particular maneuver is mentioned within the text but it is used as a procedural element that is strictly regulated and forbidden in some definitions during the final done prior nor during the final... This is where she screwed up..."base abeam" caught her eye as she scrolled through the quickest and most to-the-point definition she could find. She quick scanned, retained what would buttress her position, then preceded to make a dumbazz out of herself. You are correct-but her arrogance totally blinded her.

[@Karma0jun]

Hey Captain Kelsey - congratulations on the 4th bar. I've been watching the first officer videos for a few years, it is nice to see your dedication has paid off.

[@ScottVanArtsdalen]

I would have LOVED to have heard the audio from that phone call. I hope it involved her supervisor. A lot of folks on Reddit claim to know who she is and are not surprised in the least. And yes, congrats on the 4 bars!

[@trickstothetrades1801]

I do love that you show how important it is to be safe first and land the plane safely then have a reasonable discussion later by phone to address the issue later when it is safer to do so

[@sirtango1]

You are one of the few creators on here that as soon as I start your video, I can go ahead and click on the like button and not have to worry about being disappointed! Thank you for that! Stay safe brother! 👍

[@LadyVoldemort]

This is the only channel that I ALWAYS watch in the highest resolution/quality available! And yes, I have never got disappointed by him. 😆❤ I dig his humor, too!

[@maryabbott5005]

Me too and those instances are Rare these days with the "Automatic Like button👍!!"🎯💯😎❤️

[@johnniewelbornjr.8940]

She proved that idiots are infiltrating every industry... Though I had such encounters years ago with ATC. She would've gotten a call after landing just for her attitude at such a time... Thanks for sharing, Kelsey

[@mrfarts5176]

Women should not be working in flight control. Wow, she has no business doing this.

[@johnniewelbornjr.8940]

@@mrfarts5176 It's not a gender issue, it's a generational issue... The kids today are often this way. Part of me is glad that I can no longer pass a flight physical because of my uncorrected vision (sport pilot would be about it these days) so that I never have to cope with such controllers again. There used to be a guy that worked Nashville tower that was worse than this woman...

[@mrfarts5176]

@johnniewelbornjr.8940 I am surprised people don't report airport controllers like this to the FAA. I wanted to be a pilot, but my eyesight was pretty bad, so I started an engineering company instead. Being a pilot must have been something else... I have been hearing how affirmative action is working its way into aviation, and that is the last place I want someone who was selected based on gender or race and not ability. Well, that and doctors. I have seen two women doctors really mess up my mother. One made a mistake so bad it caused her to get cancer as her body was flooded with hormones for three years. We took her to a male doctor and the guy was like, "What the heck! We need to get her off this." He saved her life and treated the cancer. I had to take my wife to a series of doctors. Every one of the female doctors was 100% useless and just ordered exams we already had and gave them. It wasn't until we found a male doctor in his 50s with tons of experience that we were able to resolve her health issues. I find these women often get very defensive when their incompetence is pulled kicking into the light, thinking it is because of their gender.

[@larrytemen4789]

Because of all these Diversity Equity Inclusion hires, I refuse to fly on any airplane anymore. I’ll drive. Idgf

[@thecrazyswede2495]

There have always been very skilled women. There are so many of them that there even is a big company (I won't say which) that took its name after a group of women. At the same time, traditionally many women have been trained to be unskilled in certain areas. That is slowly ebbing away. I hail from a hunting family. My dad taught me how to use, and how not to use, a rifle when I was six years old. Both my parents were very good at shooting/hunting. Once dad and some of his friends were out in the backyard for a shooting session, and dad accidentally mentioned that mum also was a good shot. They didn't believe him. So dad asked mum to stop cleaning the dishes and do some shooting instead. And so she did. Bullseye every single shot. Then she handed the rifle back to dad, and went back to cleaning the dishes. The guys were overwhelmed. So weeding away women and other diversity will not help. You will still have the white anglosaxan et c bad eggs in house. You need a system to hire good people of all kinds, and weed out the bad eggs of all kinds.

[@joegrubbs411]

Congratulations again on becoming a captain. Love everything about aviation, took lessons at a young age, but never became a pilot. Always look forward to hearing and seeing your videos. Thank you for them, and I hope they keep coming.

[@ChristopherJohnson-ei9ul]

I agree with your point about "discussing it later". Controllers making a point to flex on pilots are a big factor in what caused the August 31, 1986 Cerritos, CA mid-air collision which killed nearly 100 people. A controller got into a flexing match with a pilot who strayed into the eastern approach path for LAX and lost site of a smaller plane which clipped the tail off of an AeroMexico commercial jet. If it hadn't been the Sunday of Labor Day weekend, the disaster would have been much worse, but the accident could have been avoided much easier if the controller had made an advisory call to the stray and focused back on the blip that hit the jet in the southeastern corner of LA county.

[@john_hind]

On the other hand ... discussing it later on the phone does deprive us of our entertainment!😏

[@colleenv.9540]

As s librarian I'm very proud of you for discussing sources! Thank you.

[@friedmule5403]

Oh, yes the library, this is unfortunately an almost forgotten well of mostly correct knowledge. My toes crumble every time I hear "just google it", to me is it a bit like "just trow a die". You could walk into any library, ask one of your amazing experts and be fairly sure of the source material being usable, on Google, do you not have any expert to guide you and anybody can write what they want. I miss you guys, but I do luckily still add to my over 1000 book collection at home. :-)

[@bigveganal]

The sarcasm around the ten minute mark for a while is almost British! Love it 🇬🇧

[@Hartbreak1]

😂 I would’ve loved hearing the pilot say “Google isn’t an FAA certified source of information” 🤣

[@dmiller57]

Exactly 💯

[@DrDeuteron]

But it is FDA certified, so it’s close.

[@solenoids3]

Makes me wonder if Kelsey has ever just googled some insignificant (or significant) issue while flying a plane.

[@mderline4412]

Yeah. *She definitely should have gone straight to Reddit!....* ;)

[@BlackCat69909]

​@@solenoids3 Do pilots have Internet access during flights? I could imagine some restrictions to minimize distraction...

[@dzymslizzy3641]

You are absolutely correct! I'm not a pilot, but I do the same thing if I'm looking up something medical: my go-to source is usually the Mayo Clinic website as a first choice.

[@JSMCPN]

Well said. People generally seem think that Google provides information, even though Google's just a fancy Dewey Decimal System. You can't blame the library for what the books say.

[@indycharlie]

The worst part about this whole thing was that the controller kept an air of superiority about what a short meant , until the pilot said the 15 yrs reply . Then she said she had googled it !? She did NOT know what the reg. was , but was conveying her authority via what she learned on Google . In other words . She didn't even know the definition for sure , then used her newly obtained . Google knowledge to speak down to the pilot . Hopefully she realized her error and wanted to tell the pilot after he landed by LL . Another good one , Kelsey !

[@LeiSnows]

This is why men only should be allowed in important positions like piloting and atc. Women have no place in this field, and clearly, are incapable of doing the job.

[@grumbazor]

When pilots mess up they get the number of the tower to make a phone call. When controllers mess, who are they enforced to call?

[@Zyo117]

@grumbazor The coroner.

[@arinerm1331]

I can easily imagine her arguing with her doctor that she obviously needs prescription medication Y because she saw the full-length ad for it on television. How many doctors hate that pharmaceuticals are advertised directly to their patients as though a 60-second spot is superior to an undergraduate degree, medical school, and years of residency before going on to private practice?

[@tommooe4524]

Democrats do that…especially diversity hires

[@mooorecowbell4222]

WOW Capt's STRIPES ! Congrats !✈✈✈✈

[@maryabbott5005]

🤩🤗🎯💯🌟🌟🌟🌟

[@angelraburn4401]

Darn it Kelsey - and here I’ve bought an amazing dress 👗 size 8 for you with size 9 shoes. All expertly tailored and fitted to that google info !!😂😂 so glad you posted today. I needed a Kelsey Sunday. The “normal” Kelsey is amazing and always makes my day. The only thing I ever want to hear from a pilot is - we are going to keep the blue side up !!

[@LeiSnows]

This is why men only should be allowed in important positions like piloting and atc. Women have no place in this field, and clearly, are incapable of doing the job.

[@NikolaiUA]

You can also hear from them "we're going to keep the brown side down" and it's the same

[@SerebroWD]

I dunno about that being the only thing you want to hear--"let's get into it" out of Kelsey usually means an entertaining video coming! :D I was really glad to see a new video today, too; it made for the perfect excuse to take a little longer over breakfast after spending all day yesterday loading up the pickup and moving everything we need to live cheaply in motels to a new construction project, which always means sore muscles the next day, even if I don't get dehydrated like I did yesterday. And laughing at the inaccuracies he was correcting certainly helped me get muscles to relax a little more before I had to get back to sorting out the kitchen and then help locate the best route to the job site and time it so my partner leaves early enough to not be late tomorrow. Re-watching now over dinner (with chocolate milk bc I'm just as much of an overgrown 7yo!) in the hope that a little more laughter will help relax muscles again so the shower doesn't cause actual pain, because I really don't want to have to resort to meds just to get clean. Kelsey's down-to-earth approach to things is the perfect antidote to the stresses of chronic illness, and I'm really grateful the algorithm decided I needed to find his channel last year!

[@DanielWitzer]

Can we have a video of him wearing that please?

[@angelraburn4401]

@@DanielWitzer wouldn’t that be great ? 😂👍

[@victoryleadership1]

I am glad you made the point to check the quality of the information provided. Developing a framework to discover the truth is crucial when so much unconfirmed information is flying around the Internet. The Internet is great for getting information quickly. However, you want to ensure the information you get is correct. That may take a little longer, but it is worth it. Thanks for sharing that.

[@kaasmeester5903]

We were taught that in college, and that was before there was such a thing as a WWW: “consider the source”.

[@mas7241]

You’ve captained up! Congrats!

[@ianbradshaw1770]

So you are a Captain now. Well done!

[@Ifeguy]

Kelsey, another comment on the "Short approach".. When I was training (25 years ago) I was taught that a short approach is really, immediately turning to the runway when in the pattern (any point) as an engine out procedure. Meaning it didn't have any aspect of being abeam then numbers... In general it tended to be requested (by an instructor or the controller) when around abeam, but the idea was even if you were past abeam on downwind you turned to the numbers where ever you were so as to get the shortest past the runway. I don't remember being asked to do this "before" being abeam on the downwind, but I can see it being useful in an engine out situation even if not abeam... better on a longer runway, but again, it is for engine out, so even overrunning a runway isn't all that bad in an engine out situation.. In general I think the controller in the video was confusing the way things typically happen with some absolute...

[@57thorns]

I just googled short approach, and every hit I got on the first page was a variation of: "essentially a short approach is defined as anything closer than normal" There was one question on a forum where a Cherokee had some confusion (going for the 1000 foot marker but turning as soon as safely possible) regarding an incoming Apache (helicopter). They wondered if the ATC expected them to turn in and land half way up the runway (which would have been technically possible for such a small plane on such a long runway). An interesting read.

[@AllThingsTechStuff101]

I love how effortlessly funny this guy is!!

[@tomhughlett860]

I worked on my instrument rating while trucking. I can relate to "used to landing 3stories up". My semi was about half as high as a 747 cockpit, resulting in starting my flare way too high. After a couple landings I got accustomed to being so low to the runway.

[@SerebroWD]

I'm fighting with that right now as I try to get used to my partner's pickup when I've previously only driven fairly low-slung cars. Getting used to a different sight picture is challenging no matter the scale.

[@sawspitfire422]

Well I hope you got used to landing your semi smoothly, I heard getting the flare right on those trucks is difficult compared to a 747

[@peepers46]

Great to see another awesome video from Kelsey. Hope you’re doing well and congratulations on your 4th stripe.

[@Chris80]

As I made my last checkride piloting an LSA I made the power-off 180 with a really switched off engine. In such a situation I wouldn't have time to discuss anything with ATC. And yes, it is hard to make the checkride with a still standing prop but thats what it is. In case of an emergency you have to bring it to the point on a 200m short meadow.

[@tedfriesen9466]

When I learned, on a C172, every landing was dead stick -- no matter where. That got me very comfortable with estimating glide distance and knowing how far I could stretch the landing. After that, landing with a still working engine is icing on the cake.

[@k9er233]

Same here while training in the Champ. "Stretching the glide" with the application of power was considered "bad form" back then, was to be avoided, and showed that you were not paying enough attention to the glide ratio of your aircraft. To me it felt like building confidence that you could easily handle a true engine out emergency landing, similar to practicing autorotations in helicopter flight training. @@tedfriesen9466

[@exosoul]

Great video. If ATC tells me I am required to land midfield like that lady says on my shot approach I will be freaking out. Maybe I'm used to short runways. lol.

[@jessthegardener]

I'm trusting my source on that chocolate milk being good af. Thanks, Capt'n!

[@spaz-tech]

……you sly dog, you. 😊

[@tbas8741]

Some ATC seem to forget they are not in charge, but are there to guide planes safely. Its upto the pilot where to land, how to land and how/where to fly. (For the most part)

[@williamhumphrey9692]

I really enjoy how you take the time to explain the conversations between pilots and ATCs, pilots to pilots ect.......all the while remaining humble. Though I have never flown an airplane and don't see myself doing that in the future, I am still interested in learning more about it. I very much appreciate your channel.

[@margaretmathis4775]

You mentioned Stella. We miss her. If you keep in touch with her, let her know that we wish her well❣️

[@altoclef6688]

Love your low key sense of humour. Thanks for cheering up a miserable day!

[@GhostSniper67]

WE MISS YOU KELSEY, I really miss your videos and humor. Was so happy to see you post this!

[@michaelnapier3221]

Thanks for all the years of laughs that you have brought us in aviation and thanks for being humble enough to share the ones about yourself!! For those old enough to remember it’s like being on a third-party line getting to listen to controllers and other pilots😊

[@SebSN-y3f]

Well said! Thank you.

[@craigdeluca2677]

Thanks!

[@nommadd5758]

Thanks again Kelsey! You rock!!

[@debmolnar597]

Nice to see you again Captain! We always watch your videos. “Keep the blue side up”

[@TrogDH]

Hey Kelsey recently picked up some Clover™ chocolate milk from the grocery store after seeing your recommendation, it was delicious. I love Clover™ chocolate milk!

[@stoffls]

best quote "I am just a 7 year old stuck in this grown mans body, flying airplanes" - this is the kind of pilot I want 😅

[@grayrabbit2211]

A young child tells his father, "When I grow up, I want to be a pilot." The father responds, "You can't do both."

[@Tirani2]

I hope every pilot that has ever flown me has the joy of a 7-year-old in them at flying a plane. Joy and passion make a difference, and child-like joy in your day job is a wonderful thing.

[@Patrik6920]

Flight control answering 'ooh ive googled the precedure..' ... would make me very nervous...

[@sparrowlt]

@@Patrik6920 "yesterday i went on the internet..and i found out THIS..."

[@Teqnyq]

Just wait untill he's 74

[@tedfriesen9466]

In regards to landing midfield...one of my flight instructors told me there were two things of no use to a pilot: Runway behind you and altitude above you.

[@jcburleigh]

I dunno, a few of my landings have felt like I've made use of both, lol....

[@k9er233]

And the fuel that is still in the fuel truck's tank.

[@johnstreet797]

and air in the tanks

[@senseisecurityschool9337]

​@@johnstreet797 And a certain controller at Denton County Airport.

[@jdaz5462]

Captain Kelsey! Congrats. Great video as always. I remember when you only had a handful of subscribers.

[@chadrickglossup7535]

I’m a former Delta airlines gate agent back in the day (03-07). I just noticed your extra bars. Congratulations on your captain promotion

[@davidp2888]

I appreciate your wry sense of humor.

[@AussieDave04]

Another great vid Kelsey, and I had laugh when you mention the landing in a lighty compared to the 74. I'm not a pilot but in MSFS2020 I was always flying the 74 and then went and did some GA stuff and kept thinking "are we down yet, are we down yet" LOL Always entertaining, thanks mate. 🙂

[@gregdavis5304]

Enjoy all your videos. I caught a few mentions of you flying troops on rotator flights, in several videos. Being retired USAF Active Duty, I have flown many-many AMC civilian contracted rotators to/from overseas. OmniAir, World Airlines, and others. We have always been proud to be pax on such flights. And glad you guys were there. That is a very dependable network of flights.

[@debrawucik826]

You are spot on with your discussion on where to go for information, no matter the subject.

[@Bexinmo]

Kels, you need to talk to us about that extra stripe you have on your shoulder. Congrats man.

[@garyweber8201]

@Bexinmo He did talk about it a couple of months back. :)

[@timharris6595]

I was an FAA Air Traffic Controler for over 20 years. You never tell a pilot how to fly his aircraft. If you want their base leg abeam the numbers, you request it. Her confrontational attitude is unprofessional and hopefully she got some remedial training.

[@Rogueaviation]

Totally agree. Just ask if they can make the base abeam the numbers. If not....come up with a better plan. (I'm not to 20 yet, but I'm getting there....)

[@mikaeleriksen2994]

She was a known quantity at DTO. It took a petition and some wrangling, but eventually she did resign and isn't there anymore.

[@AwestrikeFearofGods]

@@mikaeleriksen2994 God damn! I would have settled for that remedial training.

[@naturalPaths]

I googled it!

[@Sea-cucumber1151]

@@naturalPathslol

[@scubabeme]

I was fortunate enough to have my wife buy me an aerobatic ride in a Pitts. I got to fly some of the maneuvers myself. Lotsa fun! This video reminded me of my instructor's final. It was micro-short. He turned final almost directly over the end of the runway. Initiation of the turn to touchdown was MAYBE 10 seconds. My eyes were very wide, indeed!

[@butchshadwell3613]

I loved your Google data review. At least someone liked your channel so much that they took time to invent so much detail.

[@pathogen73]

I totally love your attitude. It would be an absolute treat to fly with you. So laid back, yet precise and you're so easy to listen to. Really refreshing in these days, when almost everyone you meet has a stick up in that one place. Keep doing what you do...I enjoy all of your content.

[@TheHoodGuru]

Loved this video. I understood everywhere you were going in the talk. Especially loved the GA pilot giving the thumbs up. I understood it based on what you were saying.

[@seonewport363]

that had a genuine hysterical segment. this channel is a lot of fun

[@brendacollinsdeeks7268]

If I was a pilot and the ATC told me she was using Google to guide her landing instructions, I would check my fuel and fly on to the next available airport!!!😮

[@shadowbeast2276]

No kidding.

[@user-pt1cz4ot1e]

Same. That’s terrifying. Even more so that she would have the audacity to argue with a pilot with her google info. 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@dogfoot1874]

I think she had the hots for him

[@BabylonPatrol]

tell her to use bling! 😸

[@childofcascadia]

What, you guys havent heard of duck duck go flying?

[@laratheplanespotter]

Happy Sunday Captain Kelsey!

[@vtrandal]

I was once a skinny king. Absolutely love your sense of humor.

[@TheCraig8754]

Another great video. Thank you for taking the time to post them.

[@Citizen16603]

Holy cow, I nearly choked on my toast when you mentioned the dress size. 😂 The internet is a mess.

[@mholtebeck]

I sold wetsuits back in the day- 6'0" and 77kgs is more like a size 12. Based on the content, he has given no indication that he has ever worn a dress.

[@JamesKintner]

Two KZbin videos in a row this morning that use knowledge and common sense. Social media win! Thanks Kelcey

[@LadyLithias]

I remember returning home after spending 18 months in a spanish only environment, total immersion method of learning a language I didn't know. When I returned home, I was speaking with someone who was 60+ years old, who never learned another language, and he asked me some question, and as I was freshly home, I accidentally used spanish. said "no se" which "I don't know" in Spanish. This elderly gentleman got very upset with me, insisted I told him "I can't say" which was an improper response to the question. He was adamant that he understood Spanish better than I did, and I got to the "Okay, I'm wrong" portion of the conversation. Alas, now that I live with several people suffering from dementia, I've learned to not argue with them. If they tell me I'm wrong, I will agree with them. I learned that it's never worth my time to argue with someone who is clueless about a topic. I'd have loved to hear their phone conversation. Did this ATC person literally just google his request in the moment, click the first link, and respond to his needs (as she perceived them?) She said she worked at multiple airports. Scary to have any ATC person that ignorant.

[@LeiSnows]

This is why men only should be allowed in important positions like piloting and atc. Women have no place in this field, and clearly, are incapable of doing the job.

[@DrDeuteron]

That happens with teenagers, too. When they hit 20 years, they can’t believe how fast you learned so much,

[@gordowg1wg145]

That bit "She said she worked at multiple airports" can also mean she's been fired, or asked to leave, or resigned from multiple airports. Different lines of work, but often "multiple" employers can be a big red flag - not alway, but often.

[@LaidbackLukee]

Do ur first 2 paragraphs have anything to do with the video? Did the atc or pilot have dementia or something I skipped through a bit.

[@morthiumcz1204]

@@LaidbackLukee It was more like a metaphore, arguing about topic with somoene who doesn t know shit about it, can be like talking with someone with dementia, and a lot of times ends up: Knows-shit-about-topic desn t take any argumets to consideration, because they think they know better than the other side of the argument. The-other-side: "fuck it, you are right, i don t want to argue anymore" (i hope u understand the message, that im trying to deliver)

[@davelee9087]

Another winner video Kelsey. My training/learning was done out of a 2700 ft turf airport in North Biloxi MS. My instructor always made sure that I and others I am sure knew that you can't use the runway behind you either when taking off or landing. That has always stuck with me, even though I haven't flown for over 5 decades. His advice kind of made many landings at the Gulfport MS airport (CAP flying) look dumb, since I was landing an L-17 or Super Cub on the end of the runway and having to taxi a half mile to the parking spot. Of course, that taxiing was done with the tail wheel in the air. This airport was utilized by the MS ANG with RF-84F's, so there was a lot of runway. Those were the days!

[@favbal2450]

That air traffic controller in Denton, TX is very well known by pilots. She is a terror and I am surprised she han’t been fired.

[@phoenixfox3379]

safe because she is a women, and likey a minority.

[@Fast351]

My local airport has a LOT of training activity. I have heard "short approach" requested every time I fly (or at least nearly every time). I have never heard "PO-180" requested. And these are tower controllers that deal with students every day. I *ALMOST* had a runway incursion when I had a controller tell me "hold short and wait" and what I heard was "line up and wait". I added power and at the last second I tapped the brakes thinking "hmm that sounded wrong". Point of the story is use standard phraseology. Important for tower and pilots.

[@MrBizteck]

14:20 😂 Its bee YEARS since Ive flown GA. Last time I tried I was so used to Airlines I flared around 40 feet too high! The instructor just laughed and told me she *KNEW* I was going to do that.

[@chucknelson1904]

OMG, the part about your dress size made me spit my coffee I laughed so hard!

[@jakester455]

Me too! I totally had him figured for a size six.

[@robertpearce8394]

​@jakester455 I think it was a wind up.

[@LadyVoldemort]

He has bigger chest size than me! 😂😂😂😂😂 Very sexy guy, LoL.

[@josephbaker9932]

I haven't been invited to the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show, either. Try not to feel too bad

[@kay9549]

That was a "bit" of a funny one. Likewise his humor, does keep anyone viewing any of his videos a good thing.

[@russhodgson5209]

I have only a basic PPL and I have been watching 74 Gear for maybe 12 months. Kelseys clips are so good to watch and his humour is just top notch. 👍

[@gumikjuggler]

I watch you from time to time and I've just realized you are captain now. Congratulations!!! 🎉🎉🎉

[@johngaleazza3652]

Thank you! Thank you, so so much for providing context and some calm explanation about what happened here. This video showed up in my feed and obviously I saw the unflattering comments about the controller and their "I googled it" comment. Now knowing that the plane was doing a checkride and used what might be called non standard terminology in communication with the control tower tells me that this was the beginning of the conflict, and possibly a source of confusion for the controller. I'm glad you showed the end (which was not in video I saw) where the controller regains their composure and finally says "ok, fine, land the plane then come talk to me once you've got feet on the ground". That's a positive for the controller, that wasn't shown.

[@TechTimeTraveller]

She googled it? She might as well have said: "Source: trust me, bro".

[@michaelantone7465]

I don’t think Kelsey is a girl’s name! You are very much a man, and an intelligent one at that! I definitely enjoy your videos and look forward to them. Thanks for all you do. We understand you’re not able to put out a video every week; glad you’re taking time for your life! 😊

[@ramonmoreno8014]

It never struck me as a female name; a surname, maybe

[@tomr3422]

and he is a 4 or 5 in dress sizes max

[@locustvalleystring]

I like your straight-talk on flying...warts and all. Regarding short approaches, I understand them as you do and I have been flying since 1973. That doesn't make me right, but one of my favorite things to do at the end of a flight with multiple approaches is to request a short approach for the a full stop landing. I never heard a controller complain that I went past the numbers. Last year when landing at KOSH, I was specifically requested to "...turn base when ABEAM THE NUMBERS. Cleared to land 27 on the green dot". That was pretty specific and that is what I did. Keep it up, Kelsey. And thanks.

[@christianmichael8381]

Props to the video editor of this channel! For someone like me (non-pilot), the graphics as Kelsey is explaining help me tremendously! Top quality channel all around! 🎉

[@AmazingSurrogats]

Again a nice vid. The only channel about aviation I like to watch. SInce the beginning. There is one thing that I cant figure out: What about these Red Bull aviation challenges, when they do these competitions between pylons amnd bridges. Who are these pilots and what is really going on there? It looks like they are some real unreal pilot compadres that obviously have more than the usual pilot experience and some kind of suicidal tendencies. (like the rock group). And insight on that?

[@estern001]

I want to hear when she talked to every other pilot and they told her she was wrong. I want to hear other controllers tell her she was unprofessional.

[@deannelson9565]

Well apparently she sucks there's an online petition for her to be fired for more than just this incident apparently she's highly combative

[@TheTransporter007]

@@deannelson9565 Thanks be to the lowered hiring standards.

[@jimland7176]

@@deannelson9565 Yikes. That sounds like the last personality trait that you want.

[@estern001]

I love that it gets recorded.The public has a right to know.@@deannelson9565

[@m.f.m.67]

Female government employee? Good luck with that!@@jimland7176

[@Hope_Boat]

"I googled it" is not a thing you wanna hear from any professional no matter the field.

[@Avendesora]

Nah, totally legit for most IT and related fields

[@holbroak]

I want to hear it from my physician. It would be an improvement.

[@03olo020]

Doctors Google shit all the time lol. Like kelsey said, Google is fine if you're looking in the right locations

[@nemodetroit]

@@Avendesora Very true, but these professions have a long history of this being a normal thing. Anybody competent in the field should have good mental "filters" in place for how to search from legit sources and how to recognize what is correct.

[@peepers46]

Just like in coding/programming, the source is everything. Bad source means bad outcomes

[@Glen_lastname]

Our airport has enough students that when you're doing p180's you can just tell the tower that you're going to do p180's. If they didn't understand asking for a short approach would be about right

[@toddsmith8608]

Yeah it's pretty much the same thing. And nowhere have i ever seen or heard of anyone starting their base turn abeam the numbers, you'd land halfway down the runway, like kelsey said. This controller definitely misunderstood the term.

[@treetopflight7624]

The only place I have seen a base turn abeam the numbers would be Osh... but you have an 8000 ft runway, and a big dot to aim for....

[@JuanSanchez-ik7wx]

Show that to me from the 7110.65. If its not in there then you are FOS.

[@LobyDobster]

Oh that comment about the short kings and queens was everything for me. I love when people know what's important. Thanks Kelsey

[@robyoutube7222]

Love the wise words Kelsey- they may be getting a bit harder to find, but good sources (should) rule!!

[@aaltvandenham]

Not losing your temper, staying friendly, is the best way of talking about misunderstandings. Just with a cup of coffee.

[@linanicolia1363]

Pilots and ATC have a symbiotic relationship, but they do not need to be friendly. One is out there, with his live and many others in the balance while the other is sitting by a computer, directing traffic . There is no time for arguments. People have died, due to mistakes, ATC have created, but few, have been saved by their sharp judgement.

[@skinnypomegranate]

@@linanicolia1363 This is a pretty just weird way of thinking about the relationship that really benefits no way to think that way.

[@Buzzaard1949]

During my flight training my instructor was talking with the controller in the tower who was questioning something we were doing…short approach or something, and my instructor finally told the controller that we would fly the airplane and he should fly the tower.

[@markroy4971]

That’s the same controller that chewed me out for turning down my coms to check weather while I was spinning right in front of the tower not moving an inch. I was a new pilot then, and still learning (still am). To this day, I don’t like going to DTO, unless it’s necessary.

[@brandonnotsowise2640]

Well maybe you can find some solace in knowing she’s no longer there apparently. She sounded like a terror.

[@sarahbrown9293]

This the best and most hilarious article that Capt. Kelsey has done. Love it!

[@Sam590ss]

I'm so glad I stumbled upon your channel. Great content, but your sense of humor has me hooked 😂 again. It's great stuff. Thank you!

[@ryabow]

Imagine being in the middle of landing and having to listen to this...