replacing Kick 2 with Bitwig Stock Devices

[@jshstuff]

You should make this an ongoing series. Showcase bitwig’s features by showing paid plugins which Bitwig makes obsolete.

[@PolarityMusic]

yes i thought about it. I have already some videos in this direction but never branded it in this way while mentioning the plugins. maybe ill redo some videos and make this a series :)

[@helina-keijo9561]

Yess🔥💪

[@jshstuff]

@@PolarityMusic cool I think there's a lot of potential in videos like these. Thumbnails like this are really tempting to click, because it instills a sense of fear that I am wasting my money on tools that no longer provide real value to my productions in 2023.

[@jshstuff]

@@PolarityMusic recently the channel @Lobotix used the Grid to make a patch very similar to Pitchmap. My hope is that new producers start to realize realize how much they can do using stock DAW plugins instead of spending thousands on paid plugins, and so far I'm convinced that Bitwig is the king of getting the most done with stock plugins. Also I think that if when I started producing, I had tools like the Grid, I would have understood so many engineering concepts way earlier!

[@robbybobbyhobbies]

Way to lose all your advertisers :).

[@mr_smellnice5724]

This sounds way better than Bitwig's e-kick :)

[@rumblechannel6343]

Was already planning on making a video about this as well :). Love the new features. Looks like the envelopes are an even bigger game changer than I thought they would be, also because the people at Bitwig thought it through (as usual) and added some nice tweaks and features!

[@UTOBY]

I use Kick 2 regulary to rebuild an existing kick. I import a kick from a track i really like into Kick 2 then I preceisely match the waveform and take care of the right click sound. I build my own library of Kicks with that technique. Sure I could do this also with a beat synced oscilloscope and try to match the waveform with envelopes, but it seems more hacky. Would be nice to do this with bitwig as well :-)

[@timschannel247]

If I use kick2 from my side found the click annoying, mostly muting it. However, the adjustments via envelope are so useful along with Frequency points. So .However, your approach seems better to me achieving a more individual sound. So that contribution is very useful. Thanks and best regards!

[@reflekshun]

lol this is amazing, I love accessibility to creating your own instruments in the grid. This would be extremely difficult to make in reaktor in comparison. Also it's native to the DAW which means everything works fast, smooth, etc. Low CPU usage also. GUI designer in Bitwig for these home made devices would be pretty amazing.

[@PolarityMusic]

🥰

[@BeautifulMachines]

I've been checking out your videos for some time and always super impressed. Before these segments came out, I purchased Infected Mushroom's (Polyverse) Gatekeeper, which is essentially the same thing as well as Kick 2. But the more you can directly in Bitwig (which is more of an instrument and tool than just a recording DAW) the better. Thanks again!

[@elanetiqueisland6656]

You are Mr. Bitwig, no question! :D Your output is just amazing and helps so much people to understand bitwig. THANKS!

[@ultrajayme]

Renewed my membership with you. I haven't touched music in almost 5 months. I needed to stop and regain balance in my life. I picked a good time to reconnect since it looks like v5.0 is here.

[@ChrisChrisChrisChrisChrisChris]

Kick 2 is still useful for checking phase relations between samples and the generator.

[@OdoSendaidokai]

That's a great Idea! Always miss some things in E-Kick. And I'm sure the custom interfaces will come in the near future !

[@PolarityMusic]

would be dope for sure :)

[@olivergretz]

Very nice video! Looking forward for the official 5.0 release to use it in production! What I often miss when I design sounds in the grid are modules like an EQ, reverb, or compressor, when I want to apply these effects only to specific parts of the patch and not to the final output ... therefore the full integration of the grid in the signal path (not just linear processing) as you mentioned in the first 5.0 beta video would be really nice!

[@vladartiomav2473]

For the EQ you can use filters for now. Low-pass, high-pass etc. But it would be a very nice addition! Even route the signal in an external VST (Valhalla for example) and routing it back in the grid, would be a killer feature. Don't know if it's possible to do though.

[@olivergretz]

@@vladartiomav2473 I know .. or using a band pass filter. Of course I could patch also the other effects like a reverb using the all-pass filters or a compressor. But for a fast work flow it would be handy to have these things already ready-to-use.

[@GisliKarlGislason]

Amazing video. Can you do another one for claps, snares, hi hats, etc.?

[@PolarityMusic]

sure :)

[@jorisvdstraten]

@@PolarityMusic Have you seen Nik's "Clapper Pro" yet? kzbin.info/www/bejne/i2jCh5RnoL97p5Y

[@schubertludwig]

Beautiful Grid-work as always, Polarity. I think I'll try combining this with your "one oscillator" for kick and sub-bass idea!

[@PolarityMusic]

good idea!

[@ht3k]

What video is this?

[@schubertludwig]

@ht3k kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3-bk56FfbahnJo

[@noodlesushii]

another bloody good video. so interesting to see the possibilities. i hope they introduce a cool custom interface designer in the future - not for me to design as i'm hopeless at that, but so guys like you can design cool devices with awesome interfaces for us to use ;)

[@florianarndt]

This is so cool! Could you try to imitate Kilohearts Disperser in the Grid?

[@stackoverflow1985]

Bitwig's PolyGrid has become FANTASTIC !!! It is so powerful...so now we really need a GUI editor, to organize my controls! I sometimesw loose myself in the Grid looking fotr controls, It would be super nice to have a simple GUI editor! Another thing I need: A MORE POWERFUL SELECTOR with a sort of "list", as I do in Reaktor.

[@TerenceKearns]

You certainly are a very clever producer. That was great. Nice video.

[@noodlesips]

awesome vid! very interested in seeing a recap video or more videos where you overview plugins that exist and how you can recreate them in the grid. maybe a playlist here on YT showcasing replacements such as the stutter edit, auto gain, etc. that you mentioned at the end of this video?

[@manny_f]

This is really good.

[@Mitsumata]

But in Linux, you can actually use KICK 2 / VST plugins, for this there is yabridge - a high-quality fork of Wine, which is written in C++ and Rust. yabridge is very convenient to use, despite the fact that the utility is completely console-based.

[@TunaCanGuzzler]

yep first thing i did with the mseg's a kick / snare drum grid preset.

[@briancase6180]

Awesome, as usual! I use bigkick once in a while just to do something different, and it usually sparks creativity for some reason. This will too. And, maybe this can be also for tomtoms.... Thanks!

[@PolarityMusic]

Same for me, i change tools all the time, just to make something different or get different ideas 👍

[@MK-fd3gz]

Exactly. I have many *many* plugins I've bought over the years, but now I'm using hardly any because (a) no Linux version, and (b) Bitwig provides an easy alternative way of working. Luckily CLAP exists for my u-he plugins, as Urs is irreplacable ;)

[@johnghadimi]

This is great but what it's still missing is the abstracted interface for it that still makes Kick2 "easier" to use in. my opinion. I think we need something like Reason's combinator 2 that allows you to use custom controls that will in essence, tap into the Grid.

[@joelkulesha8284]

Just use the macro knobs on the polygrid device.

[@GeorgeLocke]

My $0.02: consider using oscillator sync to reset your audio oscillators on each trigger. If you don't do this, the transient will change every time. The changes may or may not be detectable depending on your patch, and for that matter, they may be desirable. IME, with a techno/house beat, I want the kick to be either identical or have its changes be tempo-sync'd.

[@PolarityMusic]

im using osc retrigger, should do exactly that :)

[@GeorgeLocke]

@@PolarityMusic ah. I thought the grid had a setting like that but couldn't remember properly. (The grid is something like my fourth language when it comes to "modular music" and I barely know it.)

[@jshstuff]

Great food for thought, thank you!

[@tpbeldie]

This DAW is out of this world.

[@thala_723]

shice was auf glue compression, glue synthesis + glue distortion is next level

[@gasparpini]

❤ lovely content like always

[@PolarityMusic]

🙏

[@AGZT94]

Can you make videos explaining the differences between the grids? Like poly,note, and fx grids?

[@alfa156c]

Korrekt - PolyGrid Kick wird direkt als Preset nachgebastelt . THX ! Nicht das Ich nicht kilohearts oder "Anderes" hätte , aber eine Kick im PolyGrid ist nunmal eine ganz andere Hausnummer #Möglichkeiten

[@TheAlburp]

Brilliant, thank you!

[@BappinProductions]

I guess I'm in the minority of people who still think Kick2 is the superior solution 😅 if I didn't already own it, I might consider using this method in the Grid or in Vital or Serum or Zebra or Dune or any synth with MSEGs, but since I do, I would choose Kick2 every time because it has the best workflow with log scale on the x-axis, zoom, meaningful node labels and the ability to easily load in references kicks, for visual matching.

[@Cornholio0494]

Nah you're right and not the minority Kick 2 is a really good product, and even with that tutorial i will keep my Kick2.

[@BappinProductions]

@@Cornholio0494 friend 😅

[@ConfusioNIntrusioN]

but you don't have the option here to fine tune in the very small on the envelopes. in kick 2 you have powerful zoom options

[@MarcoPolux]

it is really incredible what BitWig is growing to be. I believe soon will be the Ultimate DAW... it is quickly on its way. **My up to date Whish list> 1. let us configure the GUI 2. Make the MIDI Piano Editor more like Cubase 12 (more readable without needing to resize all the time) 3. Let us create MORE shortcuts and assign.... 4. PLEASE!!! do something like Cubase 12 Midi Remote Editor. 5. Add the Dolby Atmos Renderer. 6. Good Video Support. is it too much to ask? 😜 that's it! BitWig will be the Perfect DAW ** it is important to say that over the years, my BitWig whish list have been incrementally checked, I really appreciate the continued developement and vision of the creators.

[@fitzunlikeachair9653]

Great turorial as always. However, the way I use Kick 2 is to re-create a kick I like from any song by copy ing/tracing the waveform in Kick 2 (it can be very time consuming). I then normally add saturation/distortion with another plugin. Maybe copying another kick would be possible using your method with an oscilloscope? Anyway your tutorial definitely opens the way to unique kicks.

[@PolarityMusic]

oh you re-synthesize by manually tweaking the waveform? this sounds very time consuming. but i guess its clean once you get good result. yes you can use an oscilloscope for that, maybe even overlay your source kick. OR on top, even better, phase flip the source and fiddle around until the output is silence :D

[@PolarityMusic]

you can also use a sampler (with a kick) in the grid, put zero crossings on the output and it gives you a fairly accurate pitch envelope of the sample. maybe also useful for you

[@fitzunlikeachair9653]

@@PolarityMusic Yeh. It is to clean up the kick - make it mne. Thanks for the heads-up! I will give your suggestions a try. Cheers.

[@PolarityMusic]

@@fitzunlikeachair9653 what do you mean? 😂

[@fitzunlikeachair9653]

@@PolarityMusic Your suggestions had disappeared my end! All OK now.

[@rxlifter4016]

Amazing video ❤️ I've been digging through previous ones trying to find the grid remakes of RC20, Infiltrator, Soothe, Glitch, Morph EQ etc but can't seem to find any of them 😕 could someone point me in the right direction...? A playlist would be amazing! This whole topic is so fascinating I've been thinking about it a lot lately... I know that so many plugins out there are completely unnecessary but have no idea where to start with recreating them. I would pay good money to see a series on this topic, it would certainly be a lot cheaper than buying endless VSTs and I'd much rather acquire the knowledge to create and enhance my own versions than fill up my hard drive with even more clutter!

[@Free3orn]

Thanks for your awesome work and tutorials… I get a weird pop/click on some kicks like every 2-5 kicks… (it appears already with just the sine oscillator and amp envelope…) My settings are like yours in the video. Any tips for what to do to get rid of this?

[@MIDNIGHTCVLT]

I still prefer using Kick2 with it's GUI. I don't like using the grid at all, maybe if they let us make the GUI like in FL Patcher

[@kay00]

awesome

[@billB101]

No strings attached. I hope not, it's a kick 🙃 Joking aside, it'd be nice to have custom interfaces though, for sure.

[@vidarhjal]

The dislikesis the Sonic Academy staff xD

[@PolarityMusic]

😂

[@alienecho9634]

It would be awesome if the sampler had a text field and all sample's fitting to this text are added to a pool of possible sample's. Then add new buttons for next/previous/random sample.

[@jorisvdstraten]

Use multisample and modulate the select using buttons for this.

[@atetraxx]

Lol amazing. Screw kick 2. I'll never want to buy it again.

[@byoken]

I layer kicks manually. Never found Kick2 or similar plugins useful. I've used NI Polyplex in the past too - still think layering audio in the arrangement view gives you greater control. There's no limit to the layers I can use, I can used plugins on individual layers etc.

[@PolarityMusic]

I did this layering stuff back in my cubase days on audio tracks. In bitwig i love to trigger everything with notes, so i can use all the note fx and probability features.

[@dixydo]

Can 4.4.10 users implement this without using curves? Maybe, step modulator with smooth 100%?

[@PolarityMusic]

yes, works also with adhr or steps with interpolation :)

[@saulalvarez4680]

What is the browser panel you used when selecting the sample? is that a vst?

[@freewheelburning8834]

what about being able to replace kickstart 2 with Bitwig's devices?

[@magicseadog8674]

This update replacing all my plug ins :( Only just bought shaperbox and kick 2 in the last 3 months..

[@rickyevans9433]

What would need to be added to this patch to make it velocity sensitive or is it already?

[@MichaelBarmaley]

Just one question, I remember in some video tutorial you did reverb like patch using allpath filter, but I still didn't realise how to create a feedback loop, is possible in grid?

[@PolarityMusic]

yes, you need a long delay before you feed back. and the minimum delay time is dependent on your samplerate.

[@noahrathje8976]

Bitwig 6 is probably with an ChatGPT AI assistent so you can also do soothe2 and stuff like that in the grid ;D

[@PolarityMusic]

you can, kinda, fake "soothe2" with the loud split spectral device: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hIqcpaKOfpJrpKc

[@rd-cv4vm]

where can we find the sooth polygrid tutorial, i cant find it

[@PolarityMusic]

Balance your mix with THIS native device - Bitwig Spectral Suite kzbin.info/www/bejne/hIqcpaKOfpJrpKc

[@Quash0r]

Thanks for the video. What is the name of the program you choose the sample from at 7:40? Thanks!

[@PolarityMusic]

sononym bit.ly/3UFrUCp

[@alfa156c]

skew and fold are the coolest parameter on osc , to make automations like 8bar rouls (in my rebuild kick of this video) . Skew is better, than Fold , but it have caracter #happyMitDemNeuenPatch im PolyGrid THX achja, Ich hatte nur ADSR und kein Segment (Mein update ist noch nicht auf v5)

[@alfa156c]

351thumbs up

[@berniehcc]

Crazy ❤

[@BorisBarroso]

Thanks!👌. As always incredible tutorial. I wanted tu purchase *kick 2* in the past but I always found ways to make great kicks, sometimes I just distort/saturate over 120hz or depending how I like. I don’t know if there is a way to route to different outputs (like when using kontakt) in the grid. I think that is not possible but would be awesome to do some external proxessing

[@PolarityMusic]

Kick2 is still useful, the GUI is nicely made and there are lots of presets available :) and yes you can create some outputs with dc offsets and modulator outs.

[@BorisBarroso]

@@PolarityMusic Do you have a tutorial for it, or where can I find one?

[@PolarityMusic]

no, not yet. Here is an old preset. You put this into the fx box of an polygrid, and you modulate from within the polygrid, with "modulator out" modules the two remotes called "left / right" or "mono". thats bascially it. you can stack the presets than in layers and can create multiple outputs this way.

[@mikelo303]

1. How much CPU it uses compared to VST plugiun? 2. Bitwig should add some kind of custom skin tool similar to Melda Production.

[@PolarityMusic]

havent compared it, but i think it´s not much. the patch is also not very big and single voice.

[@gasparpini]

Like you say in the begining of the vídeo, Can I raplace the plugin soothe 2 whith some spectral native device?

[@PolarityMusic]

kinda: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hIqcpaKOfpJrpKc

[@pablopassano7291]

hi polarity im paul from argentina, i have a question... when I put a four on the floor clip to play... it seems like the kick isn´t always the same... sometimes it sounds different.... why am i missing here... its some bug , some phase issue? thanks for your work .

[@pablopassano7291]

if i bounce the kick to audio , and use it on a sampler... works better.. maybe some midi jitter problem , i dont know.

[@PolarityMusic]

yea synth kicks are always a bit different. in your case probably because of the noise. maybe replace the noise with a noise sample! or sampling the whole kick can help too!

[@pablopassano7291]

Hey!! thanks! i ll try with some sample.... i didnt think about the noise, it may be the issue for sure.. great stuff on your channel ! love!@@PolarityMusic

[@frallorfrallor3410]

is there anything bitwig cannot do👍

[@apoplexiamusic]

holy fuck i should have just bought Bitwig instead of Kick 2

[@azrudinmutic]

I´ll just leave it at this : " I thought using loops was cheating, so I programmed my own using samples. I then thought using samples was cheating, so I recorded real drums. I then thought that programming it was cheating, so I learned to play drums for real. I then thought using bought drums was cheating, so I learned to make my own. I then thought using premade skins was cheating, so I killed a goat and skinned it. I then thought that that was cheating too, so I grew my own goat from a baby goat. I also think that is cheating, but I’m not sure where to go from here. I haven’t made any music lately, what with the goat farming and all. "

[@PolarityMusic]

releasing a 4 track ep every month, not sure what you talking about :D

[@rybotekk]

Uuuuuu

[@T.H.W.O.T.H]