'Republic' of Nagorno-Karabakh officially dissolved | DW News

The self-proclaimed republic of Nagorno-Karabakh has ceased to exist as of January 1st and is now fully under Azerbaijani governance. The Armenian majority territory was located in Azerbaijan, which never recognized the breakaway region and defeated its military in a one-day war last September. The subsequent takeover caused about a hundred thousand people to flee the region and the self-styled republic's leader signed an agreement to dissolve Nagorno-Karabakh. He recently backtracked on that decision, but Azerbaijan absorbed the territory nonetheless.
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[@redsilversnake]

Way too many of you are treating this like a spousal dispute instead of the latest in a multi-generational geopolitical problem.

[@vivviv4497]

About 600 years of Colonization of Armenia and Byzantine territory and the world does not care

[@dhana662]

no multi something issue here just some land of azerbaijan got colonize by armenia and now azerbaijan take it back. as simple as that

[@redsilversnake]

@@dhana662 That is a total lie.

[@idcallname8410]

Comments when Azerbaijan displaces Armenians in Nagorno-Karabakh: "Uhh, guys, I think you both just have to move on" Comments when Israel displaces Arabs in Gaza: "NOOOOOO, GENOCIDE ALERT, GENOCIDE ALERT!"

[@priyabarlota5137]

Exactly 😭

[@lashachakhunashvili1399]

Started by force, ended by force. Armenia is free from "Artsakh" burden, Azerbaijan is free from separatism within its borders. Time to move on.

[@ricardoxavier827]

The soviets created the borders without respecting ethnical distribution. The armenians was living on that land long before russia born....-.-.--.,--

[@lashachakhunashvili1399]

@@ricardoxavier827 That doesn't justify invading others' sovereign territories. By your logic it's fine for Russia to annex Crimea.

[@dimas3829]

@@lashachakhunashvili1399 it is. Crimea was illegally transfered from Russia to Ukraine. Russia getting it back is absolutely justified.

[@lashachakhunashvili1399]

​@@dimas3829it wasn't "illegally transferred" (if you mean the internal Soviet territorial adjustment in 1954) and Russia signed a guarantee of Ukraine's post-Soviet sovereignty which it violated in 2014. Get your facts right

[@nvmtt1403]

@@lashachakhunashvili1399 it is.

[@Lords1997]

Wow. This is literally history. I wonder how the world will teach this to children.

[@merrydaye4763]

Sadly outside of the region, they won't. More than half the world have no idea these countries exist.

[@Lords1997]

@@merrydaye4763 sadly :(

[@markgjidoda2745]

It teaches that the strong eat the weak, And to always and forever prepare for war, Weapons ,weapons, weapons,.. Training, training, training, and pray that it doesn’t happen.

[@socialcommentarybyxagan7362]

1990s armanian was thinking it's the time having pice of the free cake by help of Russia, ..so they attacked Azerbaijani territories and commited many war crimes.. occupited 1/4 of Azerbaijan's land ...they kept it over 30-years..well mean while Azerbaijani people and leadership were able recover and it was 2020, Azerbaijan started to teach the invader Armania the historical listen...the listen was " you can't forget your home, if you are the real owner, even after 30- years"…!

[@Qismet22]

great example of liberation and restoring territorial integrity.

[@robertalaverdyan3150]

This misconception that Russia is Armenian allay is so blindly widespread. I can not think of a single action from Russia that had served in favor of Armenia.

[@atdxanhaciyev2778]

.You know how to betray. In the 1990s you invaded Karabakh with the help of Russia. Now you betrayed the Russians. And they screwed you.

[@charlesburgoyne-probyn6044]

Russia has been stringing Armenia along eventually they realised but there are some diehards of course

[@aparajitasuman9727]

I think it’s prudent that both Armenia and Azerbaijan move on. Bury the hatches and look forward. History is always painful.

[@filipe5722]

Azerbaijan is already looking forward. Forward to take more land, now in Armenia proper. They have the upper hand in terms of force and diplomacy, they have no need to bury any hatches.

[@ferrjuan]

@@filipe5722if they get too greedy Iran might intervene in favor of Armenia cuz once Azerbaijan is done with Armenia they will move to the disputes it has with Iran.

[@foreigner1235]

Unfortunately many many Armenian’s dont understand that,I’m saying you that as armenian.

[@ricardoxavier827]

The soviets created the borders without respecting ethnical distribution. The armenians was living on that land long before russia born....

[@nvmtt1403]

@@ferrjuaniran is in no position to piss off russia atm. they wont.

[@intreoo]

As others have said, now all Azerbaijan and Armenia can do is move on. There can be no more issues about Artsakh when it no longer exists.

[@timurbarlas1144]

Artsakh never existed for real 😂

[@nicolasdc31121]

​@@timurbarlas1144it was inhabitated by Armenians long before Azerbaijan existed

[@nicolasdc31121]

Yeah good luck telling to "move on" to people who lost family members, their houses, and were displaced from their native homeland by a terrorist dictatorship.

[@ozoguls60]

@@nicolasdc31121So?

[@georgios_5342]

Ugh, genocide?

[@mikes8360]

Trying to gather hate on Turkey but youre ignoring tremendous Israeli weapon support to Azerbaijan. Germany is so terrified of Israel they can’t even include them on an indirect involvement in this situation 😂

[@mypersonalstuff-cy7gi]

good catch :) I can say you are a follower of international relations for a long time

[@charlesburgoyne-probyn6044]

Similar nonsense was touted by a church magazine in 2020 which prompted a comment of lying by omission in not a word of Israel support to Azerbaijan

[@siyacer]

interesting

[@BrandonMoki]

Source?

[@lynkDom-wf5io]

WOW I see how easy it is for people to say. take it and move on. While Russia/Ukraine is unacceptable.

[@Powerguido._]

It's like "accept that you lost your land and cry because it hurts less" and if Ukraine lost I doubt anyone would say that

[@lynkDom-wf5io]

@@Powerguido._ agree coz Ukraine already lost everything. Would take decades to rebuild

[@Einnstadten]

​@@lynkDom-wf5ioyour everything is not including more advanced western equipment and stronger military power?

[@JN-wr9he]

Wrong comparison. Armenians should have moved out of occupied Azerbaijani land and moved on a long time ago

[@lynkDom-wf5io]

@@JN-wr9he the people who live there says it’s Azerbaijan who occupied land. But I guess that’s nothing new given the history

[@yeanurrahman2104]

I wish both the Armenian and the Azerbaijanis a golden start at the beginning of 2024. I know it's extremely difficult to move on with such troubled and painful history. Nonetheless, you can do that and I believe you will be immensely successful. As the world sees more and more conflicts in recent years, the peace initiative between the Caucasian parties might offer glimmer of hope for the humanity. I hope the good people of these two great nations will live side by side and become friendly neighbors. In enmity, you both will be exploited by many predatory parties. Good luck to you...❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@muradaliefh]

All we need is that, literally. Thank you so much! ❤

[@Mer1912]

True. It’s best to move on. Same could be applied in other places of conflict, such as the Levant/Israel-Palestine. They need to move on.

[@LANDIIIIIOFIIIIIFIRE]

World superpowers and armenian diasporas will not allow that, we all know. Pashenyan under a lot of pressure from all sides.

[@genrikmuradyan9967]

>> In enmity, you both will be exploited by many predatory parties. While this is very true, there can never be piece if one of the sides is a predatory dictatorship party itself - those never stop warmongering after a military victory

[@user-ex7ik8ig1l]

с коким давлением находится, тут поконкретнее сможешь сказать, Армении, нужно жить соседями нормально,а не нападать другим странам, армяны очень агрессивно ведут себя отношения,не только Азербайджана, в Том числе и Грузии.​@@LANDIIIIIOFIIIIIFIRE

[@branislav3800]

This is what happened to the Serbs in Croatia and Kosovo

[@ibobeko4309]

Armenians are more like Albanians in Kosovo, they had autonomy and decided to kick out Azeris and declare a country. Azerbaijan should be role model for Serbija, if you buy enough weapons and use the the right time, you can get your land back.

[@johnboustani]

Why is Nakhichevan able to operate as an autonomous region and not Nagorno Karabakh? Double standards

[@malcolmy3413]

Thats why countries join NATO and not Russia if they want protection and security

[@WingkKong]

I don't see any Western protection for Ukraine They just want the Ukraine to die

[@shutup2751]

nato and russia have nothing to do with this, both of them recognised nagorno-karabakh as azberjaini territory

[@user-tt6il2up4o]

Meanwhile 2 NATO COUNTRIES, TURKEY AND THE USA are occupying parts of Iraq and Syria illegally despite those 2 countries not wanting them. I think Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan plus the bombing and killing in Kosovo might disagree wit( you. So you might want to rethink your post. But hey show your one sided bias.

[@markgjidoda2745]

Kosova, definitely loves NATO . And are all pro American..

[@MarMar-nq9ii]

This will bring them more losses than profits. The West promised golden mountains to Ukraine. They began to behave brazenly towards Russia. It has already cost them hundreds of thousands of dead and wounded. Now NATO has abandoned them without support, as used material. As for Armenia, they behaved disloyally towards Russia, carried out uncoordinated actions, and stole most of the money that Russia gave them to strengthen their defense capabilities. It was a one-sided friendship unprofitable for Russia.

[@Brandonhayhew]

i feel like this conflict was overlooked by the world

[@NoName-yw1pt]

Because it was

[@Brandonhayhew]

@@NoName-yw1pt why. no one out there doesn’t seem to care about it

[@samuelross9884]

Russia is such a reliable ally. When Armenia needed help, where was Russia?

[@tainted-rn]

I'm not pro russian, but; In 2020, the war started on Azerbaijani soil, therefore CSTO article 4 didn't apply, as Armenia was technically the aggressor because the war only started because they occupied Azerbaijani land. 2022, although Russia rejected the call to arms, it was because they were negotiating a ceasefire with Azerbaijan, and it would be pointless to negotiate peace between two nations if you're at war with one of them. 2023, Armenia accepted that Nagorno-Karabakh belonged to Azerbaijan, withdrew their troops, and the war only was fought between Artsakh and Azerbaijan, not Armenia. Russia therefore wasn't obligated to even offer diplomatic support. And Russia did send weapons to Armenia.

[@LLLLLL_57]

Armenia is the aggressor

[@aasd341]

Armenia is existing only because of Russia

[@stouellette]

it was on the right side of the history

[@susangarashli9100]

An Azerbaijani whose family is from Karabakh here. My family used to live there for centuries, and had to leave their homes because of use of violence by Armenia starting late 1980s. I was born after they become IDPs (internally displaced people). My grandfather's and other family members' graves are there and they were not visited for 30 years. Yet, the stones of the graves are all destroyed, besides the houses of my family. I'm not gonna mention about the fully destroyed cities as Aghdam and Fuzuli, and how the graves were dig even the bones are not found there. This was OCCUPATION and 1 million Azerbaijanis became IDPs. No one would do these kind of things to their home. Still, I am happy that Karabakh Armenians legally have the right to come back and live where they used to live. We didn't have that chance. Hopefully, we won't let the history repeat itself and peace will be the main noun for characterizing South Caucasus from now on.

[@ibobeko4309]

You Azeris make exactly the same mistake of the Armenians after the 1994 war, instead of making peace while you have to upper hand and you can get peace at such low price, you are more interest in causing more problems. What the Armenians done to Azeris, are the Azeris doing to the Armenians. You suffered and now others should suffer but the cycle of suffering has to end, or there will hate, pain, a next generational suffering. You are repeating history but are not even aware of it.

[@susangarashli9100]

@@ibobeko4309 we are not making the same mistake. If you would read my comment till the end carefully before replying, you would see that I said I am happy that Armenians have the right to come back where they used to live. We didn't have that right, we couldn't even visit our homes for once in 30 years. The Azerbaijani government is reconstructing the Karabakh region that separatist regime destroyed. How are we making the same mistake? Try to look up for Khojali, Balliqaya, Aghdaban and more other genocides committed in 90s against Azerbaijanis. I don't say Armenians should also suffer like this, no. We are open to live with them in Karabakh in peace. I cannot see the problem you are mentioning about.

[@Yrkr785]

Centuries? 😂 Azeris are not native there what centuries.

[@ibobeko4309]

@@Yrkr785 Azeris are not native, so are not the Americans but they are here and they will stay.

[@stanleydouge2803]

@@ibobeko4309the armenian are native there look at an ancient map of armenia

[@ChadSimplicio]

Whether or not the Azerbaijan forces decide to "connect their enclave to their homeland" in the future remains to be seen.

[@ricardoxavier827]

The soviets created the borders without respecting ethnical distribution. The armenians was living on that land long before russia born.... EU will never forgive azerbaijan if azerbaijan breaks international law. Azerbaijan used international law escuses to invade the soviet gift of armenian land. And than break the same international law?.... Hum...

[@MaaanMaanMan]

Ironically, that “enclave” has also been historically Armenian since ancient times. Just Google and read about Nakhichevan. But then during soviet times they held a “referendum” and transferred that land to Azerbaijan 🤡🤡🤡

[@gaborrajnai6213]

Not likely it will ever happen. Its absolutely unimaginable now.

[@irreligiousman3395]

​@@ricardoxavier827In 1978, the Armenians of Karabakh celebrated the 150th anniversary of their resettlement, and in honor of this a monument was erected in the village of Maragashen-Leninavan, Mardakert-Aghdara region. The village is named after its first homeland - the Armenian village of Maragha in Iran. Article XV of the Turkmenchay Treaty signed on February 10, 1828 between the Russian Empire and Qajar Empire provided for the resettlement of Armenians. To organize the resettlement of Armenians in Nakhchivan and Erivan, a resettlement committee was established in 1829. The settlers were given great benefits: they were exempt from taxes and military service for 6 years, they were paid benefits at the expense of contributions received from Iran. The monument in honor of the resettlement of the first Armenian families to Karabakh was destroyed by the Armenians in 1988 in the initial period of the Karabakh war, and then modified beyond recognition.

[@turaltural3001]

​@@ricardoxavier827 Lol. In 1918 in Paris versal recognized bot Armenian and Azerbaijan territory with map. It was before sovet union

[@joshuamilnes5138]

I’m very sorry to hear this. People uprooted, it’s always the same. The innocent always suffer, children, widows , the old left with nothing. Just horrible.

[@NurlanRehimov-rl3qt]

А когда изгнали 1 млн азербайджанцев ,твоя совесть тоже мучала или оно работает в отношении армян?

[@ThePanEthiopian]

​@@NurlanRehimov-rl3qtif that 8s the case. What happened to the Armenians living from Eastern Turkey to central Azerbaijan and northern Syria. Their entire history is being pushed by turks.

[@Pervinsalahov55]

Nobody uprooted from Azerbaijani territories.! Azerbaijan offer them to accept the citizenship of Azerbaijan and live in Karabakh as other Azerbaijani citizens, and create an opportunity them live in theese areas. So saying "uprooted" "genocide" is not true at all.

[@pandjara2843]

​@@Pervinsalahov55bro missed the "years of broken promises make this highly unlikely" part

[@user-uj5tx3lg4b]

​@@NurlanRehimov-rl3qtYour are haven't history, after 1920 both heydar aliev and lenin with turkey and russia together done agresive civilizations against to in Arcax with genocide😢😮

[@efthio]

as nasreddin hodja once said, the blanket is gone, so is the fighting... no more quarrels left to do, only path is forward from now on.

[@200131356]

Yeah let’s see you say that about the Russia Ukraine war.

[@EminencePhront]

Armenia should just claim the exclave from Azerbaijan. Fair trade, right?

[@aze1392]

Try

[@markmd9]

Most important - they got rid of Russian "peacekeepers"

[@grigoraleksanyan7988]

for whom? for 120 000 people who left their home and homeland? I don't think so. If everyone so anti-russia, so their ready to leave their houses, then stop use anything which is related to Russia. It will be interesting how you're gonna to live.

[@grigoraleksanyan7988]

we see how all this anti-russia aliases "supports" Ukraine. Partially they did, but no one leaves their homes for that. So why should we?

[@shamimreza8929]

Not Turkish weapon, most of the weapons come from Israel and Russia

[@genrikmuradyan9967]

You forgot the Turkish military personnel

[@vuqarliyev9579]

​@@genrikmuradyan9967МОЖЕЩ ПОКАЗАТЬ ХОТ ОДИН ФАКТ ? 😂😂😂😂

[@bullmoosevelt4495]

@@vuqarliyev9579Can you show us any proof that your country actually has a history before WW1?

[@vuqarliyev9579]

@@bullmoosevelt4495 ????? NO ENGLİSH !

[@showwars4508]

@@bullmoosevelt4495read about Karabakh Khanate

[@CARL_093]

i m just hoping for the best for all

[@arthur0023]

Conveniently didn't mention the fact that Azerbaijan has occupied a chunk of Armenia, and threatens to invade further. Germany, a country advocating women's rights does not even mention the barbaric torture and mutilation that women soldiers were subjected to on Armenian territory.

[@TenTenJ]

This is not true. Your report does not account for recent activity. That Artsakh government reinstated itself and nullified the dissolvement.

[@Silvergalaxy7383]

Source? It was part of last year's peace treaty and ceasefire

[@DeclinedMercy]

@@Silvergalaxy7383 the President of Artsakh said that he signed that under duress because Azerbaijani soldiers were on the outskirts of Stepanakert and he feared they would start slaughtering the population. He has disavowed the dissolution.

[@Silvergalaxy7383]

@@DeclinedMercy But I don't see it in news where the proof?

[@DeclinedMercy]

@@Silvergalaxy7383 lol look it up, it's not hard to find.

[@markleon411]

He contradicted himself when he discussed alliances. Are Russia and Türkiye supporting opposing sides? Azerbaijan has offered the same rights and privileges as all other Azerbaijani citizens. Many countries exist peacefully with multiple ethnicities, why can't they?

[@stevenoviedo541]

Yes in this case Russia and turkiye would be supporting opposing sides. With Russia distracted by the war in Ukraine. Why is it surprising Russia and Turkiye have never truly gotten along since historic times.

[@grindingpancake]

Cause azerbijani proganda and state media denies Armenia's right to exist, and Aliev himself claims all Armenia must be Azerbaijan

[@serebii666]

"ame rights and privileges as all other Azerbaijani citizens" So why is Azerbaijan destroying Artsakh’s cultural heritage on Aliyev’s order? Why are they demolishing churches and monestaries, uprooting cemetaries, etc? Azerbaijan has proven it wants the land, but not the other ethnicity. I guess it can talk about shared history of genocide when it meets with Turkey. You are brazen in your Motte-and-Bailey fallacy, but transparent too.

[@seanrowshandel1680]

Is MMA a particular sport or is it something more universal, like eating cooked (not raw) chicken to avoid illness?

[@blacksea-caspiansea9504]

​@@serebii666Azerbaijan doesn't demolish armenian heritage. Because it doesn't ecist as much you think. Churches are majorily Albanian churches and new ones are also remain. Azerbaijan is a multiethnic contrary to 100 years old state of Armenia

[@KOSTAXOFA]

Not yet We still have more to see Unfortunately

[@sergiosanchez8184]

The worst ending. It’s only a matter of time , this regime is eyeing on the syunik province.

[@manotenkerian]

I know but they can't touch syunik because it's internationally recognized as armenian territory. Not to mention, Iran would intervene and even Russia

[@islammehmeov2334]

​@@manotenkerianAZERBAIJAN is not along if iran are russia attacks AZERBAIJAN then TURKIYE will protect AZERBAIJAN so 👅

[@DeclinedMercy]

@@manotenkerian Azerbaijan does not care about international borders no matter how much they hid behind that excuse after they lost the first war.

[@vuqarliyev9579]

Nou "syunik" ! ZENGEZUR İS AZERBAİJAN !

[@manotenkerian]

@vuqarliyev9579 according to international law it's firmly armenian territory.

[@vivviv4497]

Half Truth: Conflict between Armenian and Azerbaijan was initiated a century ago. Full Truth: Turks that originally belonged to Xinxiang and Mangolia came from East Asia colonized Byzantine and Armenia and many other Western Asian and East European countries, never left from Armenia and Byzantine and today they call those lands Azerbaijanis and Turkey 🦃

[@turplexx233]

Just because Armenians came from India some centuries ago doesnt mean it isi their lands. They are Indo European people, right? So they are from India originally.

[@vivviv4497]

@@turplexx233 Armenians did not come from India lol 😂 They are indigenous to the land!

[@mremw7187]

you often say turks are mix of greeks and armenians while claiming that they stole your lands. decide

[@turplexx233]

@@vivviv4497 so they are not indo European?

[@amarhadjimurad2363]

What about Israel support for Azerbaijan

[@ragesmirk]

What about it?

[@amuginho7535]

I'm suuuuure dw simply forgot it :))

[@Eire32]

Iran and the Mullahs tried their best and lost

[@NoName-xq7dp]

@@mahran4735 Не ставь эту тряпку рядом с Азербайджанским флагом

[@charlesburgoyne-probyn6044]

​@@NoName-xq7dp🇦🇿🇮🇱 more to the point i do nevertheless find it fun when Pakistani praise Azerbaijan to remind them that Azerbaijan also gets on well with Israel

[@stefanoriva1738]

That's the same thing it happened when in 1944-45 Italians left Istria and Dalmazia to Jugoslavia (now Slovenia and Croatia).

[@rogerbrownreacts8528]

Now they will get invaded by Russia when their dance card is free.

[@Alsayid]

...who claimed it was a de-facto independent state." That's poor English. Either it was a de facto independent state, or they claimed it was an independent state.

[@s0li]

How is this wrong? If I claim "It is de-facto an independent state", there is no "poor english".

[@kkaixer]

Now it is time to unite the divided azerbaijan.

[@kkaixer]

@@spiritualseeker410 but once we unite, you gonna congratz again, right?

[@Black32989]

Azerpatlican is northern province of Iran 🇮🇷

[@kkaixer]

@@Black32989 for now (:

[@BlueSky-wp5ic]

@@Black32989 The north of Iran is South Azerbaijan. Tabriz is a Turkish city. Together with many other cities, there are more than 30 million Turks in Iran. Read some history.

[@1234smileface]

It was actually a genocide and a war crime. Of course Germany would never talk about genocide.

[@mremw7187]

yes, armenians displacing 800000 azerbaijanis from the region in 1992 was also a genocide. These genocide claims won't mean anything in the future if you dont use it meaningfully.

[@fft001]

Why you don’t say in 1991-94 Armenia took control with a huge help of Russia.

[@ahmetcankirmizi]

i hope it’s over and wont escalate further from now on. love from turkey to both neighbors

[@AVV_Beats]

Ahahah good joke, with Erdogan and his dog Aliev by his side, it already is escalating

[@vivviv4497]

​@@AVV_Beatstrue, erdo is the bull dog of the game

[@ioanpena]

DW forgot to mention that Azerbaijan was suported by Turkey and Israel ! ...but they cannot even mention Israel unless it is in a very positive way !

[@Zauberwuerfel_fuer_Dummies]

how can you be so one sided, calling terror against civilians as 1 day war

[@sven1966]

The people in the comments have no idea about anything, “Bury the hatchet” “just forgive eachother” Azerbaijan is oppressing is still Armenians and you think Armenians should just forget it. You won’t be saying this after Ukraine loses the war vs Russia.

[@garymccraner1129]

Isn’t it just Karabakh?

[@MaaanMaanMan]

It has been called Artsakh since ancient times until turks came to the region and the original name was replaced by “Karabakh”

[@raufabbasov6920]

Yes it is Karabakh. And it is turkish name.Armenians came here from Lebanon and other territories by the hand of Russian Empire in 18th century who was ruled Petro the first.

[@MaaanMaanMan]

@@raufabbasov6920 go tell your mum that pseudo history 🤡🤡🤡

[@manotenkerian]

​@@raufabbasov6920😂😂 Azerbaijan is an iranian province . The russians moved you from the persian empire

[@raufabbasov6920]

@@manotenkerian is that why the Supreme Leader of Iran is TURK? We still Rule Iran and will always do that

[@Asadov777]

If you mention Turkey as supporter in the current war , you should have also mentioned Russias support in the previous war . You are the main stream media you should try not to be biased!

[@Powerguido._]

They sent little to no support to Armenia

[@1234smileface]

We can clearly see the Turkish influence in DW

[@alvar9853]

In seven years Mohammedans conquered most of the Iberian Peninsula. It took the Spanish 777+ years to reconquer the peninsula and drive out the islamists back to Africa, while continuing the cleansing of the blood through the inquisition until 1834. Friends of the Armenian peoples, the Armenian peoples, or any party who is a rival of Azerbaijan or its allies can conduct, legitimize, or sponsor pro-Artsakh fighters or would be forces inside or outside (among the respective diaspora populations).

[@Kurdedunaysiri]

what a world. A colonialist state gets supported by the world even while commuting a genocide openly but native Armenians get nothing while they are trying to stay in their homeland and selfrule.

[@VilkatisJanis]

wasnt russia like promising to help them out in case of such situation?

[@user-fe2oh8oj2u]

Imagine if every city/region was going to announce "independence" and "selfrule". There is a reason why not a single country in the World recognized independence of Karabakh. Even Armenia never recognized it despite having 30+ years.

[@VasileIuga]

​@@user-fe2oh8oj2u Imagine people not accepting annexations by the very people that crushed their civilization 800 years ago, who colonised or cleansed already 70% of Armenia? The nerve to not obey administrative borders set by USSR and recognized by a junta of corrupt people from UN.

[@malcolmy3413]

Shouldn't have sided with russia bro

[@garysanderson5774]

karabakh is recognized by almost everyone on earth as Azeri land

[@CxXxBot]

Pitty Armenia they're were left all alone in a war against 2 countries. There were no actual news from the ground where Armenians were suffering.

[@naturealbums]

How about pity for the Khojaly massacre? Khojaly was an Azerbaijani-populated town of some 6,300 people in the Nagorno-Karabakh The town was subject to daily shelling and total blockade by Armenian forces during the First Nagorno-Karabakh War. Without supply of electricity, gas, water, or phone, it was defended by the local forces consisting of about 160 lightly armed men with one old BTR armoured personnel carrier. The Armenian forces, along with some troops of the 366th CIS regiment, launched an offensive in early 1992, forcing almost the entire Azerbaijani population of the enclave to flee, and committing "unconscionable acts of violence against civilians" as they fled. Those Armenians you see are now just going back to Armenia where they came from in 1992. About a million Azeris were forced out of their homes that were then occupied by Armenians.

[@kristaporkhach]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@naturealbumsWhat about the Massacre of 5,000 Armenians by Azerbaijanis in 1905-1907, of 30,000 armenians in Baku in September 1918, of 700 Armenians in Ghaibalishen in June 1919, of 12,000 Armenians in Nakhichevan in August 1919, of 1,400 Armenians in Agulis in December 1919, of 20,000 Armenians in Shushi in March 1920, of 200 Armenians in Sumgait in February 1988, of 200 Armenians in Kirovabad/Ganja in November 1988, of 200 Armenians in Baku in January 1990, of 100 Armenians in Maragha in April 1992?

[@naturealbums]

@@kristaporkhach unverified stories from the Russian revolution onwards 1905 even Wiki disagrees with you.

[@dumanroulain]

😂😂😂

[@sergiosanchez8184]

@@kristaporkhach couldn’t have said it better myself. Artsakh is Armenian.

[@1234smileface]

The people living there were always Armenian, even going back centuries.

[@Ymf207]

their were ethnic groups living their for centuries not just Armenia

[@edvard8850]

Was this a war in 2023 ?

[@connerhartley7142]

Lasted less than a day but yes it was

[@tk5gqj514]

Mostly in 2020

[@wtfa2910]

It's amazing how humans will fight over dirt

[@200131356]

Until a foreign army comes and takes your “dirt”

[@ATH_26]

Not a simple defeat. Aliyev accepted their surrender on their national day. It’s also a big humiliation. Armenians started this on 1992, that Artsakh didn’t get recognition from even Armenia. If you’re afraid of iron don’t take the train.

[@samsonsoturian6013]

Did they simply declare it or are there actually Azeris in there?

[@Pollakrobba1]

simply what happend : Joseph stalin : made a shitshow of the caucasus region , he gave important armenian land to the turks , and armenians dont want to be ruled by turks. so they fought azerbaijan with little russian help , BUT THEN !!! azerbaijan found oil , and when they found oil, russia switched sides , and chose azerbaijan over armenia.

[@kabodra]

Dear friend, for your information, the story given to you by the guy who replied to you before me is the classic example of Armenian misrepresentation of the events. I am not even going to say that take his statements with a grain of salt. Just disregard them and make a search from scratch

[@kristaporkhach]

@@kabodraNo.

[@zulfu_ile_tebiet]

@@Pollakrobba1 so, you are gonna ignore the part where the Armenian side occupied internationally recognized territories of Azerbaijan, displacing almost a million citizens and the UN Security Council's 4 resolutions on the matter, but be an "aliens did it" vibe and say Stalin did it) Happy New Year!

[@user-ul5lm9wn8d]

​@@zulfu_ile_tebiet No million Azerbaijani citizens were ever displaced. The Azerbaijani population before 1986 both in Armenia and NKAO and the 7 regions taken by the Armenians in the first war was NOWHERE close to 1 million. It was under 400000 according to the 1986 census (could the Azerbaijani population DOUBLE in just 2 years?). It's the same amount as of the Armenians living in Azerbaijan who had to flee Azerbaijan after the Pogroms and the war, many of whom found refuge and later settled down in Artsakh. Armenians always lived in that territory not just 2000 years not just a 1000 years ago. they'd lived there CONTINUOUSLY for milenia befor the Azerbaijanis ethnically cleanced the region in september 2023.

[@aaronnicholas3653]

Armenians are scared that Azerbaijan will do to them, what they done in 1994. 😊

[@bluntersworld]

আজারবাইজান কে অভিনন্দন❤

[@Intel6]

Turks are from Central Asia. They are foreign occupiers.

[@ebuleheb5447]

You are wrong dude.I am turkish but I have Armenian greek and other local people's dna so what you are saying doesn't make sense 😂

[@markgarin6355]

Russian brokered cease fire? Not one of their skills.

[@clement2780]

republic seems to be soviet name for province

[@denaco7534]

Artsakh's dissolution poses a significant threat to human historical heritage. The risk of revisionism or destruction looms large, echoing the unfortunate fate of Armenian historical landmarks in Nakhchivan. Centuries-old churches and millennia of Armenian historical traces face imminent disappearance. The preservation of this rich cultural heritage is paramount, as it serves as a vital link to our past and a testament to the enduring spirit of a nation. Declaring 'now they can move on' is hypocritical. Imagine if it were your own country in this situation.

[@hydrolifetech7911]

What country? It is within Azerbaijan and the Armenian ethnic majority of the region can continue living there if they so choose. Your attempt at whipping up 'crusade in support of Christianity' narrative is lame. The conflict flared up and lasted this long only because Russia has been using it as a wedge issue to control Armenia and Azerbaijan. Now that Russia has weakened itself by its failures in Ukraine, Azerbaijan has taken the opportunity to restore its territorial integrity. Armenia and the ethnic Armenians in Azerbaijan should pursue peace and Armenia should learn to coexist with and respect the territorial integrity of its neighbour.

[@dylanvogler2165]

It is a good message in regards of seperatism though )). As Azerbaijan finally restored its controll of its internationally recognized territory )). As should happen with some other former USSR countries who have parts of their countries being "independent" ))

[@AzeriDervish]

Bushhaha 🤣 you should have mentioned that it poses risk to USA, Russia, Europe, China and South Africa. Armenians will never learn from their mistakes….its like this nation is destined to be used and thrown away from Byzantine Empire to France.

[@denaco7534]

@@dylanvogler2165 Restored lmao? Artsakh (Karabakh) was never a part of independent Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan did not exist before 1918, only in Azeri books. Similar to North Macedonia doing it to the Greeks, Azeris engage in revisionism of historical facts, appropriating Persian, Armenian, and Byzantine heritage to construct a fabricated identity. What a shame...

[@mountainous_port]

Its sad that the world did not listen to Armenia. N-K is Armenian lands. Same as Eastern Turkey. So much Armenian lands is lost.

[@wilsonwheeler6147]

ARMENIA & SERBIA FOREVER

[@charlesburgoyne-probyn6044]

Serbia on the principle of territorial integrity support Azerbaijan. Armenia supported the principle of Kosovo self determination .

[@wilsonwheeler6147]

@@charlesburgoyne-probyn6044 doesn't matter the politics, we stand by their people and we empathize with them

[@charlesburgoyne-probyn6044]

@@wilsonwheeler6147 so as long as Armenia doesn't recognise Kosovo unless Serbia caves in under western coercion, otherwise you balkanas will be played for fools such as when milosevic really seemed to believe that Russia would back them like it was 1914 in 1999 and when he supported good relationship with Israel thinking they could help ease issues with Washington

[@musicbox99]

Juri has no idea what is happening.

[@dtn590]

Is it so hard for people to live side-by-side? I'm sure new generations can become bilingual or at least have something like Canada with their French.

[@tofiqresulbeyli4531]

I have a question for diaspora armenians who lives in abroad. Noldu paşinyan?😅

[@Userr2777]

Pecat😂❤ yaşasın Azərbaycan 🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿❤️

[@VasileIuga]

4000 years old comunity ethnically cleansed with the help of the "international comunity and law".

[@user-ul5lm9wn8d]

It's the latest trend)

[@45641560456405640563]

Hadn't many of them only moved there over the last 30 years?

[@user-ul5lm9wn8d]

​@@45641560456405640563 In 1988 81% of the population was Armenian so no. They'd continuously lived there for many many years before the ethnic cleansing. Due to its geography it's one of the regions Armenians remained relatively untouched during all the invasions and mass expolsions ect.

[@VasileIuga]

@@45641560456405640563 In Red Kurdistan that was already lost in the first offensive, not in Nagorno Karabach. Nagorno Karabach had a solid 2500 years Armenian history and 4000 years comunity.

[@45641560456405640563]

@@VasileIuga And they could only live if they had a separatist semi-state? Grow up.

[@ayhankaracaoglu6845]

Karabag is Azerbaijan, Zengezur is Azerbaijan

[@edvard8850]

How many wars happened in Karabakh?

[@javidanrashid4762]

Mainly became the war three times last 100 years...

[@edvard8850]

@@javidanrashid4762 but how many wars happen though?

[@zulfu_ile_tebiet]

@@edvard8850 2 wars (1 in 90s, another one in 2020), the rest most likely can be classified as skrimishes

[@Mustafa1998]

azerbaijan finished all wars

[@edvard8850]

@@Mustafa1998 yeah but how many wars 2 or 3

[@mountainous_port]

The sad thing about this is that no country sided with tiny Armenia.

[@BlueSky-wp5ic]

Because Armenia is wrong. In 1992, they massacred hundreds of Azeri women, children and elderly civilians in Karabakh and deported 1 million civilians from Karabakh and its surroundings.

[@CaptainHarlock-kv4zt]

Panturkism must be stopped at all costs. Humanity saw this kind of collective behaviour in WW2 Germany. The result is known...

[@atherzaidi5871]

Then Pan Europeanism should also be stopped. How is it that Europeans can unite under a EU but Turks cannot Unite under a Turkic union.

[@CaptainHarlock-kv4zt]

@@atherzaidi5871 The vast majority of European people are not ultra-nationalist megalomaniac expansionists. On the other hand, the Turkish people are exactly that.

[@charlesburgoyne-probyn6044]

​@@atherzaidi5871Europeans aren't a single people. Pan Turanisim will probably end up the bad joke like pan Arabism and pan Slavicism etc

[@MultiHotmax]

I could never understand this conflict. Always have a hard time understanding who is who and who does rushes and the west support and why they hate each other. Like seriously why people just can’t live next to each other? Daaaaaaaamn

[@somerandomduud4086]

Well if u think about it 90% of people who support azerbaycan (which is a Turkic nation) is Turkic so that should explain it plenty to u, I'd suggest doing independant studies on independant sources that are from neither Armenia or any Turkic sources and then figuring out ur own opinion, I can however give u a little bit to work with Stalin made 4 regions in the caucasus: Georgia, azerbaycan, Armenia and nagarno Karabakh, however Stalin later changed this by removing Karabakh all together and giving it to azerbaycan. A majority of the region is ethnically Armenian and had been for a long long time, I'd be confident to say about 88% - 90+% are Armenian there, the state of azerbaycan does not like the Armenians so they treat them badly and don't represent them so they want their own state, azerbaycan did not allow this arguing that the land is theirs even though they want land from Armenia aswell, so they fight and Armenia helps Karabakh since it has a majority of Armenians who want to live safe and represented by their government, Armenia won initially and held on to the territory for 30 years but then turkey joined the war and took it back with azerbaycan, they signed a treaty that would dissolve the state on Jan 1 2024. Oh yeah the turkics also did an Armenian genocide which was... A genocide on Armenians, and Azeris took part cuz they were also Turkic in the ottoman empire, to this day they deny the genocide and refuse to pay reparations, the entire world recognizes it tho (western world at least who have experienced scientists and archeologists) and the same is happening right now basically with azerbaycani forces targeting civilians in their attempt to take back Karabakh, they also attacked Armenian lands but so far CSTO (Russian nato) has done nothing to help. That sums up the short version but their history is way more detailed, if u got any questions feel free to ask

[@aetius7139]

When your neighbor stop gobbling up your ancestral land. Azerbaijan can talk all they want. Still wasnt enough to dress it up as righteous cause, its just a hostile land grab. Plain and simple

[@200131356]

@@somerandomduud4086Imagine thinking Josef Stalin created Armenian and Azerbaijan 🤦‍♂️😂

[@somerandomduud4086]

@@200131356 he did, Azerbaijan and Armenia were oblasts and he drew the borders. I mean if all the Turks just weren't in USSR then Azerbaijan would never exist ofc but it does so thats that

[@200131356]

@@somerandomduud4086 Azerbaijan and Armenian existed thousands of years before Josef Stalin or the Soviet Union my guy

[@mari_arzan]

are you DW or GPT?

[@alex4863]

I’m willing to bet that national Armenian separatists are going to start forming and restore the government. And I’m not a betting individual.

[@turaltural3001]

Really? Sovet union changed map for Azerbaija😢. Reality in 1918 in Paris versall conference accepted both Azerbaijan and Armenian territory and published it. And it was 2 years ago when sovet was in Caucas. Not lie

[@thetruechaby]

Highly literate comment.

[@faigkarimli194]

It seems the author also forgot to mention that, as a result of Armenia's military aggression, almost 1 million local Azerbaijanis became IDPs over thirty years.

[@faigkarimli194]

Also, it has 4 UN resolutions which demand Armenia to withdraw its troops from Azerbaijani territories. As a media, it will be better to provide all information about the past conflict.

[@TigransTips]

How about you provide as “all the information”? Go ahead.

[@faigkarimli194]

​​@@TigransTipsKhojaly, Meshali massacres (mainly the victims are children and old peoples) by Armenians, ethnic cleansing of Azerbaijanis from Armenia, Sumgayit pogroms which Soviet KGB organised purposely. That's just some parts of all information which triggered the conflict. Isn't it enough?

[@TigransTips]

@@faigkarimli194 I was talking about formal information, not your personal comments. Send the UN resolutions. Have you even read them at least a little or did you just hear of them?

[@faigkarimli194]

@@TigransTips Dear friend, of course, I read it. I am not manipulating; as you see, I also mentioned Sumgayit's pogroms (organised by the Soviet KGB) as well. I am not biased. Here is just one piece part of those resolutions: Calls for the cessation of hostilities and the withdrawal of all occupying forces from the Kelbajar district and other recently occupied areas of the Republic of Azerbaijan. As you see, the UN also confirms its occupation. I don't want to argue more; the conflict is resolved, and now we are in the process of a Peace agreement. We should look further 🕊️

[@Shubham-zn1ww]

How morally correct is to make 1mn inhabitants flee??

[@JR-gp2zk]

Armenia and Azerbaijan need to sit down and fix the borders. There are several areas like this that are seperated islands of territory in the other country. Azerbaijan gets this land, but they should lose their Nakhchivan territory between Armenia and Iran in exchange.

[@manotenkerian]

Armenia has tried to do this , but Azerbaijan wants it all . They have this dream of all of armenia and northern Iran being their greater Azerbaijan 🇦🇿 😅

[@realtalk1084]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@arman3291]

True. Nakhchivan is an Iranian province.

[@arsenal_84]

Armenia is surrounded by enemies. Turkey and Azerbaijan used to genocide the Armenians in the past. So is fair not to trust both countries.

[@schurlbirkenbach1995]

Of course not. The next step will be a corridor to Turkey through Armenia. Western medias hide consequently, that Azeris and Turkish are the same nation.

[@ibobeko4309]

If there would be a corridor it would help both sides, trading would boom.

[@schurlbirkenbach1995]

@@ibobeko4309 ?!?

[@atherzaidi5871]

Armenia should make 2 corridors one North South, linking Russia to Iran and other east west linking Turkey and Azerbaijan and further to Kazakhstan.

[@turplexx233]

Yes, before nationalism we were fighting over sects. Ottoman Safavids, Ottomans Afsharids, Ottomans Qajars, Aq Qoyunlu vs Qara Qoyunlu, Aq Qoyunlu vs Ottomans, also Timurids vs Ottomans etc. But we are same nation, with different sects. Türkiye has some million of Alevis(which are Shia) of Turkic origin(Turkmens), but mostly Sunni. Azerbaijan is Shia from Shah Ismail. Wish Azerbaijan enters Zengezur and we unite in single country.

[@travellerstoryteller]

Whats going to happen with the churches with more than 1000 years old that exist in that territory??

[@thetruechaby]

They will most likely be destroyed or claimed by the Azeris as their cultural heritage, in the same manner the Albanians are doing that in Kosovo.

[@Pervinsalahov55]

Azerbaijan is a tolerant country. So all of the churches are saved by Azerbaijan and will be saved. l can say an example for this that there is a Armenian church in the centre of Baku today, and saved by Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan and Azerbaijani people respect all of religious, so don't worry about the crunches.

[@travellerstoryteller]

@@Pervinsalahov55 I hope so! And I hope Baku will restore life and houses to this region

[@blackhorse9729]

But Russia why didn't you supported the Armenians? So you can attack Isreal, but you cannot defend your own allies?

[@gaborrajnai6213]

Since Nagorno Karabah/Artsakh is not Armenia, Russians pretty much have nothing to do with it.

[@charlesburgoyne-probyn6044]

​@@gaborrajnai6213Armenia won't be so infatuated with Russia for this so in that sense they are freer now

[@saeedeyvazinejadfirouzsala6319]

I can't understand why DW is supporting one side of the conflict?

[@thetruechaby]

All media support only one side.

[@turplexx233]

DW is German Media, so they have to support Armenia at every cost. Little by little, they have to show to you that Armenians and innocents and Azerbaijanis are bad guys here.

[@Armyanskoe_Radio]

Ара🦧армяне чешутся, кажется уйдут из армении, как и ушли из Карабаха😅🤣😂

[@rosnakolenyah]

Ору

[@GabeMYBELOVED]

Khojaly was finally avenged

[@zytrik1]

They should move to Nakhchivan 🤷‍♂️

[@youwilldie14yearsagoedited2]

They should move to Marseille

[@zytrik1]

@@youwilldie14yearsagoedited2 I can’t agree with you on that. That’s very far from Armenia.

[@youwilldie14yearsagoedited2]

@@zytrik1 Searh for "Azerbaijani president slams french senate's resolution" on youtube

[@zytrik1]

@@youwilldie14yearsagoedited2 No

[@wrestler91100]

Russian "peacekeepers" are now in azerbaijan, not in Armenia

[@markgjidoda2745]

I think they’re in Ukraine spreading peace 🤣

[@turaltural3001]

😅😅Russian soliders protect Armenians borders

[@antasosam8486]

Why using russian name for the region? If it's "republic" it is Artzak. Btw Azerbaigan doesn't force inhabitants to leave. And Armenian forces are totaly supported by Moscow.

[@MaaanMaanMan]

🤣🤣🤣 LOL

[@PradedaCech]

Of course it did. Azerbaijan doesn't even protect human rights of its own citizens, what do you think will happen to people they are dehumanising since 30 years? Fleeing was/is the prudent option.

[@charlesburgoyne-probyn6044]

Armenia has had paltry support from Russia whose has played a double game and taken advantage of Armenian insularity stubborness and vulnerability. Russia hasn't been to Armenia what the USA has been to Israel and the Kosovo Albanian cause yet incredibly due to their predicament revered them as though they are, however nothing like a reality check

[@kesaava9235]

No no no because Russia doesnot want it.and ilham Aliyev cannot does it without putin permission😂

[@thomasanderson2757]

R.I.P. Republic of Artsakh/Nagorno-Karabakh Republic 1991-2023

[@mika98100]

Seems you forgot to mention that 1991 war resulted not simply by Armenians taking control of Karabakh region, but also them forcing out 700,000+ Azerbaijani civilians out if their homeland with violence and brutal killings.

[@francosi.2024]

No, the conflict will not end like this. Simply letting a fascist dictator do his thing will certainly not end a conflict. History should have often taught us enough about that.

[@Sact-lu3dj]

Occupation never last long

[@user-eb4fr5dp1o]

It is ended, finally and Karabakh returned home. Now armenians should think of peace, but not war. We all should move forward for better and peaceful Caucasia!

[@felipe-vibor]

Waiting for news that finally Donbass is part of Russian federation

[@thetruechaby]

I guess you missed the news from September 2022...

[@Userr2777]

KARABAKH IS AZERBAIJAN!🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿

[@Abdulgur15]

Юрчик Turk did not do fighting but back in 90 юрчик did fight for arm

[@user-xe2jt5vl5g]

Do you Azerbaijanis had to flee Armenians few decades ago??

[@200131356]

People (mainly Americans and westerners) really fail to realize how much of a serious catastrophe the dissolution of the Soviet Union was.

[@OYANEKU2011]

There is no territory named as Nagorno Karabakh. Its an unformal and illegal russian name used by westerns officials, media and experts. There is Garabakh region of Azerbaijan which is an official name of the territory.

[@thetruechaby]

Yes, there is a territory with that name, and no, it is not informal and illegal. Leṙnayin Ġarabaġ, Dağlıq Qarabağ and Nagorny Karabakh are all official names.

[@OYANEKU2011]

@@thetruechaby Geographically this name continues to exist. However, all these videos imply a political title. Nagorno-Karabakh, as a territorial entity, was liquidated by a decision of the Parliament of the Republic of Azerbaijan back in 1991. Therefore, you are wrong. This name is unofficial and illegal.

[@pudanielson1]

Yikes, it was inhabited by Armenians for a thousand years where were Azeris?

[@OYANEKU2011]

@@pudanielson1 aha, with dinozaurs and you were there ... )))

[@abeeceedee1842]

I'm also confused. The real name is Artsakh. That is where the Republic of Artsakh existed.

[@sargispetrosyan9593]

This is NOT THE END, ... IT'S just the Beginning of a NEW CHAPTER...

[@user-fq9tx9mn7e]

Непонятно, почему журналисты азербайджанский Карабах, произносят на русском, используя русское слово "нагорный?" До чего же всё извращено!

[@AchyutChaudhary]

*Just like their common neighbour 🇬🇪Georgia, I really feel it would be GREAT for both 🇦🇲Armenia & 🇦🇿Azerbaijan as if they can apply for 🇪🇺EU (& possibly NATO) membership as they’re Western oriented secular democracies, will really be focused into development & mutual cooperation 🤝 rather than fighting between themselves over Artsakh/ Nagorno Karabakh as they're already in EU's 'Eastern Partnership' - just like their neighbour 🇬🇪Georgia has been applying recently & has even gained Candidate status.* As an example, 🇬🇷Greece has had tensions with its neighbours like 🇦🇱Albania, 🇲🇰North Macedonia & 🇹🇷Turkïye - but because they’re in the EU/ NATO, they have never become full conflicts in recent history. (Unlike post-Soviet 🇷🇺Russia-🇧🇾Belarus-🇺🇦Ukraine-🇲🇩Moldova-🇬🇪Georgia which are currently members of neither and have been in conflict in recent times).*

[@hieutranminh3277]

Calling Azerbaijan a democracy is the funniest thing I've seen today

[@leratking8842]

@@hieutranminh3277it isn’t necessarily a democracy but definitely more democratic then most countries

[@Adam-326]

Great, get over it.

[@ryana-6762]

Azerbaijan was really part of Iran

[@AchyutChaudhary]

*I really doubt if any conflicts like this would have happened if either of them had joined the 🇪🇺EU/ NATO - like their mutual neighbour 🇬🇪Georgia which is already a Candidate to join both & has good ties to both.*

[@davidyan7354]

Armenia is on that path, nut Azerbaijan chose to join totalitarian campus of dictatorships - Russia, Turkey, China, Middle East. This conflict is more about clash civilisations ie democracy vs autocracy.

[@TheRealBillBob]

Stop spamming

[@Corny80]

Turkey are not going to allow Armenia into Nato and the EU is in enough trouble and will not accepting new members EVER AGAIN!

[@chepushila1]

Lol Georgia lost 20% of its territory to the separatists. Typical NAFO bot, clueless and delusional.

[@UnknownSome]

Georgia haven’t joined EU they joined Shengen Visa. Plus they had promised to join Nato but USA backstabbed them as always and as a cost of it they lost South Ossetia and Abkhazia. So there are a lot of examples of joining NATO brings destruction more than peace and Georgia is one of them