Resource Road Orientation Video - Work Here, Play Here, Stay Safe Here

[@bcforester4603]

Driving resource roads is probably the most dangerous part of working in the forest. Thanks so much for creating this great video!

[@Canfiremedic]

Excellent information for Resource Roads and how critical communications are as well as knowing where you are. One very important thing to note. Some Resource Roads may be restricted to the public when they are active. Signage will indicate public access times, For those of us on the Island, NWBay is one of those areas that is only open to the public on weekends and stats. Be safe not sorry.

[@WhiteCavendish]

Another great message about why Industry Canada needs to pull their heads out of their collective cornholes and eliminate the BS fee for land mobile radio. There should be no impediments to people being safer while travelling these roads. While they're at it, they need to expressly permit HAM operators to use these freq's while traveling the applicable road too. Canada's constant over regulation of everything is pure stupidity and greed and it needs to stop.

[@Mike-ys2rr]

The licence is $48.00 a year. Your life is worth more than that. Or don’t pay it and just use it once you’ve learned the protocols. Nobody checks anyway. The only reason I pay is because I’m hoping it will improve things someway.

[@WhiteCavendish]

@@Mike-ys2rr Yeah, it won't lol It's a cash grab, pure and simple. And yes, I am aware that nobody enforces it at all, however some people who would otherwise have a radio will choose not to because of the pointless cash grab fee, which makes everyone that little bit less safe.

[@CabinStormASMR]

I like the mountain .I love it.Big hugs❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@catharineparke6027]

Really well done video with great info

[@canyonoverland5003]

I know an old-time logging truck driver who doesn't want to get with the program. He still uses "empty" and "loaded" when calling his miles. If anyone hears that, it means "up" and "down" .

[@zanb8138]

Lots of people still using the "up" and "down" call out, and there are still lots of road signs that still show the "up" and "down" call out points. Just need to be paying attention to what is going on on that particular haul road and stay out of the way of the working trucks and equipment.

[@robchatton2092]

Still very common to use empty and loaded on the Island for loaded trucks. To make things worse, you may hear “Empty trailer down”. Empty indicates it’s going up, but trailer down indicates it’s loaded.

[@grgoss1]

On a lot of road systems, the logging trucks and lowbeds etc. called empty / loaded for up and down and the light trucks, up/down so it was easier to figure out who was who. In some areas there would be empty's going both ways and loaded trucks going both ways too - depending on which sort or dump they were going to, or if using another road system that goes in a different direction. Local knowledge can be helpful in those more tangled road systems. Often they had overlapping frequencies too, so another level of difficulty.

[@madflyer1093]

funny thing is, on this exact road that this was filmed on, no loadeds ever call up or down, its loaded and empty. only pickups call up or down.

[@moobys37]

I have RR, LD and LADD channels, but I can’t get Mosaic channels because I’m not a member of a group that has an agreement. I understand why (it’s Mosaic’s channels they own the freqs) but it would be peace of mind if I could monitor on one of the open RR channels

[@moobys37]

I forgot to mention...great video and I’ll be sure to share!

[@zrig1]

If you stop and read the signage it is pretty common for the frequencies to be listed as well alongside channel number.

[@Canfiremedic]

Mosaics frequencies are private, like Fire Depts, BCAS, taxi companies etc. The thing to remember is when they are active Mon-Fri the public is not permitted. (Weekends sometimes but they will put people at the gate). When public is allowed there is no need to call miles

[@Canfiremedic]

Also, the frequency for this particular channel is in the video

[@moobys37]

@@zrig1 I did. That’s why I learned I can’t get the frequency. I saw a security patrol on a weekend and he said he wished off roaders had the freqs in case they had an incident.

[@vladkalina69]

What should drivers do that don't have a radio and don't see any lead trucks to follow but want to drive to a point of access?

[@andrewherman2206]

Drive slow and be careful

[@BCForestSafety]

The best and safest plan is to wait until a lead truck with a radio can travel with you. Or look to rent or buy a radio so you can travel safely and hear the other road users.

[@aliciazigay4510]

Where do you rent a radio?

[@foihdzas]

Question: As a non commercial vehicle with the capability of calling, should I? I know I am not supposed to, but what do the trucker want us to do? I would opt for calling, for the safety aspect.

[@4WDABC]

There's nothing that says you can't call your markers. In fact, it's preferred that if you can, you do. Just make sure you do it properly, and not use the channel for other chit-chat. www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/industry/natural-resource-use/resource-roads/radio-communications

[@foihdzas]

@@4WDABC I am a HAM licensed operator, and unfortunately, using an ameture radio on anything but 144-148 MHz is prohibited. But, my radio (and many others') may be able to Tx on RR frequencies...... So, should I? I believe for safeties sake yes, but the Govt' says otherwise. And I am not going to go buy a very $$$ Land Mobile radio and pay licensing fees every year, so that I can be safe on a Resource Road the odd time I am on an active haul road with my family. It's definitely a grey area.

[@BCForestSafety]

The road calling procedures can vary and are posted at the start of the resource road. These procedures apply to all road users so yes, even non-commercial vehicles should call their kms if they have the appropriate channels. Be sure to check what the calling procedures are on the roads that you are using.

[@4WDABC]

@@foihdzas how much is your family's safety worth? A used vehicle-mounted LMR can be had for under $200... $42/year for the license. Not really that expensive to do it legally and properly. You may be fine skirting the rules because you know what you're doing, but then what about the next guy who figures he can do it too (because nobody ever thinks they don't know what they're doing), but doesn't know how to program his radio properly and ends up interfering with your marker calls? It's all good because "oh well, it's safety, I do what I want"?

[@foihdzas]

@@4WDABC The whole reason I got a VHF was to keep safe, only to find out I am technically not allowed to use it for Tx outside its operating range. I really don't have a say in what other people do, and I also do not promote the use of a Ham radio on anything other than 144-148. However, knowing that calling is better than not, I will continue to do so.

[@edwinjpeeters4576]

This must have been the video they were working on 2 weekends back.

[@brettverleih]

4:09 wow how does that happen

[@locker1962]

Driving to fast in dust, almost did it myself when I was working out there.

[@patiencerakochy4768]

Great video for the industry, friends and family…pass on!

[@Kennygr826]

Can public legally communicate on rr channels via 2 way radio?

[@kathleenljc7140]

Yes for safety; to call your km. Look for radio use protocols specific to the road system posted on signs when turning onto the road.

[@BCForestSafety]

Yes, the RR channels are available and legal to use by anyone, please use them.

[@Fisherguy01]

@@BCForestSafety, I don't think so. RR's are commercial frequencies. I have a ham license and (legally) cannot broadcast on those channels.

[@swiftwaterfalls]

@@Fisherguy01 So you'd rather not use a radio because you worry of legalities and instead risk getting run over?? :-o The RR I go on has a big sign that says 'EVERYONE using this road must carry a radio and use it' and lists the freq's. Finding a radio is another matter...it certainly isn't made clear where the public can get one. (also note, you're using the radio for specific safety reason, you're not using it for fun like a ham radio)

[@Fisherguy01]

@@swiftwaterfalls, no I didn't say I don't use it, of course I do, that's the reason I got my ham license. I'm saying @BC Forest Safety Council is giving out bad info telling people "RR channels are available and legal to use by anyone". I'm guessing whoever posted that comment above is just not fully aware of the legalities and was trying to get them to respond! I've also never seen a sign saying everyone must have a radio and use it to use a RR road here in the cariboo.

[@chocol8thunda]

When out in the backcountry, where bears and other predators are...do many of these truckers carry a shotgun?

[@grgoss1]

Not too often. They are in a truck afterall. Huge thermoses are mandatory though.

[@rg2929]

@@grgoss1 yeah lol staying in the truck is safer than any gun will be

[@57Jimmy]

Bears and predators on the Island are just a ‘bump’ on the road for these trucks! I remember as a kid in the ‘60s driving with the whole family on these roads when the Pacific off-road massive 12’ wide logging trucks were working...😳🥺💩 Scared the crap out of an 8 yr old😂 They were HUGE! Even empty!

[@JoshuDoerksen]

Is there a radio the average person can buy that would allow them to do all this? Moral of the story was get a radio... so would like to do that.

[@BCForestSafety]

Start with your local radio shop to price out options and learn more about the channels needed in your area.

[@mikec3142]

No sense in making the roads wider and safer. Lets make one lane bridges and use radio's because everyone SHOULD use one. We will save millions in making roads and bridges, while neglecting safety. If we can carve 6 lane highways in a mountain, we can carve safe back roads. Now, since we do not pay road taxes to the transportation of the product to maintain the REGULAR roads, we the regular public get to drive through the horrendous pot holes and unmaintained public roads. 2 sides to every coin. Change my mind.

[@zanb8138]

These are industrial haul roads and not designed for general public use, but the public, in most cases still have the ability to use the road with the understanding the industrial user has the right off way. Industrial roads may only be designed for a specific use or time frame, therefore no need for a multi lane highway to be built.

[@mikec3142]

@@zanb8138 You said it right there partner "Designed" Also, when on government property "we the people" have every right to access it and use it. When the private companies come in and say we cannot, and put up gates, that infringes on our rights and freedoms. Private land, go nuts.

[@RichGallant]

@@mikec3142 Thank the idiots who think vandalizing or destroying logging equipment is fun or the morons speeding in the middle of the radio while drinking. The company holding the lease has the obligation to protect their staff and the right to protect their property. And mostly the FSR's are built by the resource company not the government. And this is Canada there is no "we the people", the government allows us access as a privilege and they can take it way whenever they want.