Respectability Politics and Foundational Black Americans vs Africans| South Sudanese Perspective 🇸🇸

In part two of this episode, the men and women discuss colorism and the different ways it affects men vs women. Does gender make a difference? 🤔 Let's discuss!
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Deng - DengDeeng
Sahra - @SoSahra
Christine - @ChristinaLado
Vaida - @VaidaJoe
Tariq - @Arnabi20
Willy - @WillyFast_
Amanual - @Amanual_Comedy
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[@chell41]

As a Black American I appreciate you all having this conversation and trying to hear each others points. I do wish you had FBA/ADOS on the panel. I will say we are our own distinct ethnic group that predates the founding of this country. Black Americans are an admixture of West/Central African, European, and sometimes Native/Indigenous ancestry. There are Afro-Indigenous people who exist lol such as black seminoles and creek freedman. In order for us to truly unite there needs to be reciprocity and I think that is what is missing here. If pan-africanism is going to really work all Black ethnic groups have to sacrifice and put in the hard work. It cannot be a tribal environment for unity to work. Everyone will have to build institutions and share resources based off race as well as create opportunities (not just take opportunities already created). I do not see this type of energy coming from Africans. In order for unity to be accomplished Africans will have to value the Black race as much as their tribe. So how is this going to work and where do we go from here?

[@FreedomBiafra]

Smdh

[@MrMakingcake]

well race is fake so this summation is a fail

[@freakshowbeats7609]

Shoutout to the brother in the grey shirt! He understands we are not at war despite what’s on twitter, it’s just black Americans making FBA known as its own ethnic group. But, Toghether we are stronger as black people even though we may have different cultures.

[@freakshowbeats7609]

Together *

[@QLivin]

Gotta stop you brother. Black Americans were strongest alone. We "could" be strong together, but we have no point in history to reference that shows us being "together" and strong. B1

[@africaine4889]

What do u say about the other black americans who absolutely do not want to be called fba and are proud african american and still proud of what their ancestors did in america

[@michaelg3573]

Also, the word "tether" is an actions based word. You're only a "tether" if you can be mistaken for us, but then undermine us for your own benefit, financial or otherwise. For example, an African or Caribbean politician who appears FBA, but then gets on TV explaining why FBAs don't need reparations (e.g., Byron Donalds)... These people are particularly dangerous because they use their appearance to sway public opinion on matters that directly concern us. If you don't undermine us then you're not a tether.

[@davidwicks9538]

WRONG... If an "IMMIGRANT" comes to the U.S. and accepts, benefits and/or occupies opportunities that BlackAmericanDOS/FREEDMEN sacrificed and "WORKED" to legally and morally obtain, by "MY" definition they ARE a "TETHER" or WhatEver else you want to Call them!! Opposing, Criticizing and 'Undermining' the BlackAmericanDOS "Continuous" effort to obtain Constitutional "EQUAL" Rights, ACCESS, and Protection by ANYONE, especially "Africans", Caribbeans, & Melanated humans .et al., Makes it even WORSE, and, ... is the epitome of Ungrateful DISREPECT and HATE!! Jis' Sayin' ... ✊🏿💯✊🏿

[@MichaelMoon863]

⚫🔱🔴🇺🇲✊🏿the reason we call ourselves FOUNDATIONAL BLACK AMERICANS is because the term "AFRICAN AMERICAN" is confusing and it's more of an immigrant term and we aren't immigrants as FBA'S.

[@QrannBadal-j2b]

I discovered FBA online I've never met a black American who claims FBA. I'm happy for you all

[@MichaelMoon863]

@@QrannBadal-j2b but u have heard Black Americans say we don't wanna be called "African American" so don't play dumb🙄

[@QrannBadal-j2b]

@@MichaelMoon863 Im having a wonderful night take care

[@MichaelMoon863]

@@QrannBadal-j2b so am I, Byeee

[@QrannBadal-j2b]

@@MichaelMoon863 😍❤️🤩🥰

[@gideonappleseed9632]

You're wrong in South Carolina. There were Black natives tribes. The Yamasee tribes mix with the Gheechee people of South Carolina. We have a shared history.

[@thechocolatedelegate9830]

South Sudanese Americans aren't African Americans, they're South Sudanese Americans. Please stop trying to remix the original intent of what and WHO the label African American was intended for.

[@TshepangMoletsane-l7g]

True.

[@beach_boy1141]

In America there’s no such thing as “South Sudanese Americans” when it comes to race. In the United States race is pushed over nationality. Based on where your nation of origin is geographically that will determine your race OR you can choose your race. Sudan will typically fall under the Black or African American race (the two are synonymous). I wish more people knew this. Most “Black” Americans don’t even know this.

[@thechocolatedelegate9830]

@@beach_boy1141 in America, "South Sudanese American" is their ethnicity. Their race is Black, nationality is American. Race/Ethnicity/Nationality. Learn the difference. African American is my ethnicity, Black is my race, American is my nationality

[@thechocolatedelegate9830]

@@beach_boy1141 African American used to be synonymous with Black (race wise) when 99.9% of Black people in America were African Americans, prior to 1965. Times have changed, but even you use outdated language. Black immigration has increased since 1965, so the language needs to be updated. So yes, Black USED to automatically mean African American, but with so many Carribeans and African immigrants her now, that's not the case. Yes we're all Black (race wise), but only USA slave Descendants are African American.

[@beach_boy1141]

@@thechocolatedelegate9830 You can’t read…. Your words “South Sudanese aren’t African American”…..They are African American because in America their race would be “black or African American”. Now you learn to read and comprehend.

[@dantedinkins7772]

FBA is not a cult

[@x_null]

it is

[@royg7820]

I'm a FOUNDATIONAL BLACK AMERICAN that iis a fan of the show! I want to say that BLACKNESS is our identity & it's not aj jacket you can put on & take off! That's why we had to delineate because we see how yall play both sides of things! If you don't want the bad you can't have the good! Yell are AMERICANS but FOUNDATIONAL BLACK AMERICANS are not African! We have our own HERITAGE, LINEAGE, & CULTURE! IYou have to help fix African Culture & let FBA fix our Culture! We want to support as soon as we see progress we the Aficans here!💯 ✊🏾👊🏾🤜🏾🤛🏾🖤

[@SweetDulces]

I am African American and do not identify as ADOS or FBA. This is a foolish and nationalistic movement that is being funded by the republican party to separate us from African consciousness and this comment proves that. I am an African. Not Native, Not Amerikkkan. African

[@tecumseh4095]

As a native American you are NOT the foundation of this land!

[@africaine4889]

Yeah but u still descend from africans who were forced to come to America. Also you guys give yourself different names. A lot of black americans do not want to identify as fbas and that is fact

[@Laura-sg6ss]

But it's not about playing. It is both though, no? And one doesn't CANCEL out the other, they're just different influences. The same can be said within FBA - there will be class differences, gender - that WILL IMPACT THE WAY you relate to one another, there won't be COMPLETE alignment on everything because these are identity categories. I understand you for sure but that's what it is really. It is both. It isn't about playing both sides, it is 2 types of identities within 1 person. I also don't necessarily take issue with having your own group because on the African continent there are different groups. But the issue about "playing both sides" is that you are using it as THE SOLE REASON for why we could not come together - I believe what you speaking on is not just about having 2 identities but about Africans denying BA, right? Based on convenience but you cannot also deny that many Black Americans have denied Africanness for many years - not wanting to be associated with people from the "jungle." - that kind of sentiment because Africa is viewed as primitive from a white supremacist lens. The breakdown of relationship has been due to a few different reasons. Not JUST misalignment, we have denied each other in different ways. And that's what makes this a bit ridiculous because there will be AT LEAST overlap anyway. You say fix yours and we fix ours. Okay sure. But you affect us and we affect you. If something isn't fixed in your culture, people in our cultureS will run into issues because of our shared phenotype and vice versa because other groups don't care on many levels, and then we would have to have a conversation about it anyways in the end to establish a standard in order to collectively improve things. So to act like we could SUCCESSFULLY separate entirely is ridiculously idealistic tbh. Not only that, the lineage thing, there will be overlap in that even culture. Hair braiding, certain foods, similarities in linguistics. These are a few things that will DIRECTLY come from African countries. There will always be an overlap in the way that other people see us and within our cultures. No one can escape or hide it. Instead, we should have been sorting out this whole DENYING each other thing. I think it's pathetic that we can't resolve it - it makes both our groups weak. Like I said I haven't got a problem with the idea of being your own group as there are many groups in Africa like I stated but there is UNDENIABLE holes in the ideology from the start, that doesn't sustain the ideology from its foundation. But do as you wish!!

[@sageofthesix9608]

wrong

[@MrMakingcake]

Black Americans VS the world

[@gennadicole7102]

Y’all needed a FBA on the panel!

[@emmacrawford11]

Agree

[@dragonbae]

This conversation could include more Black American perspectives to bring balance. Do this with thought leaders next time... Class is real, and is clearly challenging your messages.

[@JamesSmith-tp9qj]

they have earlier episodes tat do have black americans

[@swvyzii]

@@JamesSmith-tp9qjthis one don’t tho

[@dcwashingtonpresident5938]

I'm Foundational Black American and u are my people, Family, Brother and Sisters .... Much love and respect to our Sudanese riders who are on Code..💪🏿 And Reparation for Foundational Black Americans.. A teather is a non-FBA person who works to undermine our struggle, a teather is not any black person of immigrants parents.. if you are a black person of any background and work as an àlly to FBA struggle you are not a teather rather a brother.. FBA and ADOS is only a response to the current climate in the U.S... its To many people trying to speak for And represent FBA who is not FBA and dont fully understand our FBA history and struggles in the United States which becomes very harmfu.l

[@RachelCooper-z2h]

FBA representatives like Mark Robinson and Eric Adams aren't doing Black Americans any good.

[@dcwashingtonpresident5938]

@@RachelCooper-z2h You àre Absolutely correct 💯. They are FBA RatCOOÑS.., the FBÀ RatCOOÑS and the immigrate Teathers both gotta be dealt with,...

[@NOLUCKMVCK]

@@RachelCooper-z2h because thats who you choose to look at.

[@exalteduchiha1563]

What if you don’t help or undermine and you mind your business, are you a tether for simply existing ?

[@dcwashingtonpresident5938]

@@exalteduchiha1563 No..a Teather is a sell out.. a black immigrant who works against the FBA struggle in the United States.. or any black immigrant who comes to the United States and disrespects FBA in our country the United States... A teather is a off Code black immigrant...

[@23rdDegree]

THE BIG GUY GREY SHIRT…IS HONEST FREE THINKER.👊🏿

[@Domwoo00]

Does the man in brown speak? I saw him move so I can confirm he is alive. What does he add?

[@ImmigrantB1]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@QrannBadal-j2b]

He was there for emotional support

[@23rdDegree]

YALL SHOULD BRING BLACK AMERICANS ON THE PANEL.

[@MrMakingcake]

why that would be like a Japanese person inviting us to thier podcast

[@23rdDegree]

@@MrMakingcake Why shouldn’t black American speak for themselves ?

[@MrMakingcake]

@@23rdDegree according to the panel they are Black American there are no boundaries

[@emmacrawford11]

Agree

[@DebbieSmith-nu3vn]

There’s boundaries.

[@aleco444]

I ain’t gonna lie, I thought there was At least one FBA on the panel. Then I was like….oh, they are not here💀

[@TshepangMoletsane-l7g]

True, but do FBAs have "Africans" on the panel when they discuss shit about us or you all about that double standards?

[@loveizdaonlyway9406]

​​@@TshepangMoletsane-l7gyes we do. There was one a few days ago from "Daily rapup crew" youtube page where they had two African women on lol. They had a few videos where they invited African people on the panel

[@QLivin]

​@@TshepangMoletsane-l7gNot gonna hold you, we don't discuss Africans. They come into our spaces and we have to check them.

[@MrMakingcake]

@@TshepangMoletsane-l7g we dont discuss you people up to this point you have been irrelevant

[@DebbieSmith-nu3vn]

We rarely speak about Africans.

[@MichaelMoon863]

we need to focus on our own ETHNIC GROUP of people.

[@Jtve737]

Facts they missed the mark by a mile

[@RachelCooper-z2h]

Like Diddler, Mark Robinson and Eric Adams? Yeah you need to get your house in order

[@MichaelMoon863]

@@RachelCooper-z2h Yep,but don't act like other races and Ethnic Groups don't have the same typa people in their culture as well! Especially white people goofy

[@Jtve737]

@RachelCooper-z2h No like Simone Biles, Robert F Smith, Mae C. Jemison.. not like hush puppy... clown

[@crystal11507]

Who’s your ethnic group?

[@rockthefro]

Ive worked in banking and in retail loss prevention. Bias is real. We should had been looking at behavior, but too often, folks racial bias slips thru. Homegirl provided her documentation and should had got her money. Period, end of story. I dont care if she came in there with a bucket on her head, if she confirmed her self, give her her money.

[@kennethmcclennon1845]

@Baba Ajamu Ogunleye-McClennon: As a 68 year old, 6th generation, very dark skinned usa Pan Afrikan, I love your content and have identified as an Afrikan since childhood. Our people here are the targets of the greatest psychological warfare campaign of all times. ❤ YA'LL! UBUNTU!

[@david________]

Ubuntu?

[@exjw92]

wow!! Amazing!!

[@akeemMagic01]

BEING PRO FBA ISN'T ANTI AFRICAN , WE SIMPLY ARE NOT THE SAME PEOPLE.

[@jeromepowell1873]

Serious question. Are White Americans, British, French, etc, the same people?

[@beach_boy1141]

@@jeromepowell1873No

[@MichaelMoon863]

No, because they aren't apart of the same ETHNIC GROUP​@@jeromepowell1873

[@Perk10blvd]

No

[@exalteduchiha1563]

As a non fba I agree, it’s not a hard concept

[@exjw92]

I love you guys thank you so much!!! I am a rehabilitated African American I appreciate what was said and how it was said ALL PERSPECTIVES have VERY VALIED POINTS!

[@yamayama6083]

What does a "rehabilitated" african american mean?

[@exjw92]

@@yamayama6083 LOL

[@taniamarie2486]

I’m a black American woman and I love us all Chocolate caramel and light we the bomb 💣 😝♥️

[@whynotflee8079]

I'm African American/black American & if I move to Sudan & my kids are born there are they Sudanese ?? or are they black Americans living in Sudan ?

[@whynotflee8079]

it's okay to be connected but still accept our differences we are all black but we come from different tribes all over the world & our tribe is black American

[@Utada379]

Black Americans living and Sudan. If a Korean moves to Japan, are they now ethnically Japanese? No. They are ethnic Koreans living in Japan. You can’t be that slow.

[@vangoghsotherear4114]

@@Utada379 hes asking this because when African people move to the states they think they are the same group as african americans and it's weird.

[@tendays456]

Your kids will be Sudanese by nationality and will be American by ethnicity but can also in a way become ethnically Sudanese if they adopt their culture and resonate with that culture more than America. Not to mention in a generation or two your offspring will be Sudanese with some African American roots. This becomes more interesting when you think about if you moved to West Africa since a majority of Black AA DNA is from that region and a lot of the culture is rooted in West African culture.

[@tendays456]

@@vangoghsotherear4114A lot of Africans believe in the unity especially amongst black people no matter where you are from in the diaspora. We recognize our differences between tribes, countries etc. but the fact that we are all black and all African is really important. Growing up I was taught the importance of Ubuntu “I am because you are” in relation to black people specifically. I don’t think Africans don’t recognize that there are different tribes and ethnicities. Trust me they do.

[@AllThingsAdiu]

The CEO of Access Bank of Nigeria tried doing this but unfortunately passed away in a helicopter crash. May he rest in peace.

[@weusifam5182]

Suggestion to the panel. Study John Henrike Clark, Dr Joseph Ben Jochanan, Ivan Van Sertima...and others. Huey Newton, Fred Hampton

[@swvyzii]

The biggest problem is yall are speaking on black Americans with 1 to non black Americans on your podcast to view the organic thought of a real black American with 5 generations of black American heritage..

[@vlog7718]

Tariq & Amanuel should be on every episode fr!🤩

[@QLivin]

18:26 This brother in grey is telling them the truth

[@Hm3h]

The dude from Utah has alot to learn. There is PLEANTY of scientific data and historical data that proves that MANY FBA's are Natives. In fact many of us share ancestry with Both Native and African people. It's not about denying African identity as much as it is about acknowledging who we actually are.

[@GaelThunder]

The majority of the genetic admixture in FBA is not Native American. It’s West to Central African. There are some native genes if any but if you’re going by the logic then FBA just as much white Europeans as they are Native Americans. A lot of the time, they are more White European than they are Native Americans. I’ve heard FBA call themselves Moors, the original Hebrew Israelites, the Egyptians and now recently they claim to be the REAL natives of North America. Even heard some say that the Trans Atlantic Slave trade was a hoax. There’s a lot of incoherent rhetoric coming from “FBA”s.

[@rockthefro]

please speak for yourself. im not native, my ancestors are African, and this is our family oral history backed up by DNA.

[@Hm3h]

@GaelThunder I'm not here to debate about YOUR limited understanding of history as it pertains to FBA's being here Before colonization. However , MY Family and many others I know can trace their lineage before the invasions to north and south America and who look like black Africans. Last Science has tough us that Blacks( thoes with African genes) are NATIVE to EVERY continent. So feel how you want, but the proof is there for anyone to find.

[@vangoghsotherear4114]

@@Hm3h yea my family's geneology goes to several tribes in africa and to the cherokee tribe here in the states as well as english/scottish and a lot of irish. the only place you will find this particualr type of mix is in the black skinned people of america. just like in the carribbean most of them are mixed with the tainos and tend to have less mix from the colonizers because of their history while in south america they tend to be more mixed with the indigenous there for example the aztecs descendants and have a lot of colonizer blood with a smaller fraction of african. a unique blend of dna found there. these unique blends of DNA is what makes us all who we are in the new world. even the white people here are not the same as the white people elsewhere in the world due to the specific history in the states they mixed up in a very specific way. many of them have small traces of indigenous and african DNA and as far as their european mix it's mostly english/scottish then some mixed with italians and irish in certain parts of the US while in other parts they remained largely english/scottish.

[@tecumseh4095]

@Hm3h As a proud Shawnee and a card carrying Shawnee citizen you are NOT a native American. You are not one of us. You are African!

[@swvyzii]

I can see if y’all had and African podcast and spoke on strictly African politics/problems… but yall speak on us with out us being there

[@QrannBadal-j2b]

Love my south sudanese people 💪🏾😍😍 I feel like I'm with my sudanese friends I experienced both. 👏🏾👂🏾👂🏾

[@zakimohammed7032]

South sudanese what rong with you you now yourself leve black americans alone

[@mspeck2944]

lol ok zaki mohammed

[@marcusnelson6118]

16:22 the whole time its “Us” this & that but you see when they start looking down she slips in “FBA” wow.

[@onceagain6184]

"Lack of funding for schools "? She is severely misinformed!

[@jeromepowell1873]

I know what she's trying to say.

[@theitinerarybabe]

Aww I'd love to hear more throughts from Deng (share the mic Tariq haha)

[@marcusnelson6118]

19:19 bro cooked !!!

[@couproduc]

The Bank could come up with all types of excuses because they give you 10% of your money while they loan out 90% of you money so using the Discrimination card buys them time to figure out how they’re going to have available funds for you.

[@marcodeng7138]

R.I.P.Charles John AKA Julio foolio 😢

[@marcodeng7138]

R.I.P.Charleas

[@millionairemaine8901]

Black has to be the baseline unifier...if unity is your end goal. If unity is NOT your goal (which appears to be the case with the FBA/ADOS thing) then keep on creating more delineations but they will only make your small groups even weaker. FBA's are black, South Sudanese are Black...yes different but still BLACK on the world stage and ESPECIALLY in America.

[@MichaelMoon863]

they need to unite within the continent of Africa first then! "PAN AFRICANISM" is impossible because we have completely different cultures and that's like tryna unite Japanese and Chinese people together, it's not gonna happen.

[@millionairemaine8901]

@@MichaelMoon863 no.

[@MichaelMoon863]

@@millionairemaine8901 Yes.

[@QrannBadal-j2b]

You're right , it's broken

[@BLKAMERICA]

Unity is the goal within our own community. Not with yall. Yall are irrelevant. #FBA

[@weusifam5182]

Steve Biko

[@bornenemy3453]

Are these ladies in africa

[@HonestLeighSpeaking]

The term foundational black American/aDOS is unnecessary because the term, “African-American“ was literally coined in 1988 by Jesse Jackson in order to describe the Black people in America, who are descendants of the shadow slavery that took people from Africa. It connects With the entire continent because it cannot identify where people came from, and it also connects to the nationality. It is both an ethnic and national claim. Most people from the continent of Africa will not claim, “African“ they will tell you which country they are from. Because African-Americans cannot do so, the term African-American gives the actual history… And Africans, who, come to America are not African-American. They are Americanized Africans.

[@millionairemaine8901]

I largely agree with this. Only thing I would say is Africans who immigrate can be identified by their actual country, Sudanese-American etc...BUT two generations from migration are you still Sudanese-American? Or a just aa Black American? That's where I do see validity in the FBA/ADOS term, it's a unique identifier. In the end though, all these groupings don't help in anyone.

[@michaelg3573]

@@millionairemaine8901 This is true, the children of African immigrants will mark "African-American" or "Black American" on forms meaning the previous ethnic group will be blended out of existence (i.e., ethnocide). Also, people should not mention FBA and ADOS together. They are separate and completely detached from one another. ADOS people go so far as actively saying they are not FBA.

[@thechocolatedelegate9830]

ADOS and FBA popped up because as you can see in this video, black immigrants keep trying to remix African American to force themselves under our label, causing confusion.

[@thechocolatedelegate9830]

​@@millionairemaine8901you only become African American if you have African American lineage. So if they mix with African Americans then their kids will be AA's. If they kept it in house with their Sudanese people for 2 generations, they're still Sudanese Americans.

[@garyjohnson691]

African American is not the best term to describe us, I know its our legal description but it sometimes can get confused with African immigrants which I am not. Anybody can claim African American because the term is to vague, it's almost becoming an umbrella term. I prefer FBA or freedman it takes away the confusion.