responding to your kpop opinions (ft. my discord server)

[@yoshified_]

discord server link

[@Kieniesne]

What happened with your discord server? It's been a long time since I didn't active on Discord. When I came back, your discord server disappeared =(( I just hope everything is ok

[@yoshified_]

i deleted it, it got way too chaotic and i was barely active

[@Kieniesne]

@@yoshified_ Thanks for addressing this! I appreciate your effort

[@maekoh]

I don't get why so many people hate pass the mic. They did something different and made a song on a more drill type beat, and they slayed it. Not to mention the choreo is addicting.

[@yoshified_]

literally

[@autumn_lovely4414]

It’s so funny, I used to dislike the song but nowadays I keep replay it 😅

[@wonhos_sweaty_ballsack8735]

Because it was 💩

[@yoshified_]

never that

[@wonhos_sweaty_ballsack8735]

@@yoshified_ pass the mic sounded like pass the gas to me lol🤣🤣🤣

[@morelka1872]

I don't want to separate CEO and group for one reason: the music and concept you talked about is created by her. she gave an idea. Money we give by listening going to her.

[@brmbootleg]

Also by saying “your supporting the girls not the ceo” Ok but like my money would be going to the ceo soooo…

[@morelka1872]

@@brmbootleg exactly

[@miraturtlerabbit6978]

definitely agree, its impossible when the ceo literally profits off of your support for the group, + supporting the group means we're telling the kpop industry that fans will not oppose them debuting so many minors :/ personally, as much as i kind of like newjeans's music, i don't think i'll ever stream or buy it because i don't want to send that message to the ceo and the industry. it feels like letting them get away with this job that WILL hurt the girls' mental health, its unavoidable.

[@morelka1872]

@@miraturtlerabbit6978 I totally agree with you! I like their music, but don't stream it officially. Many streams and public approval is 1) sign for ador, that we think CEO did a great job debuting minors and being problematic person. 2)sign for all companies that debuting minors is ok. So I think it's important to talk about these problems and rethink our streaming

[@shuyi_555]

Not y'all purposely sabotaging the girls career over assumptions and with the intention to impact on the CEO. She's rich at this point like... Come on now, that kind of "activism" does nothing for the girls and only harms their careers 😒

[@manicuregroove]

u can’t “separate the group from the ceo” when u’re directly putting money into the pockets of the ceo by supporting the group..

[@brmbootleg]

LITERALLY

[@Paris-cc8he]

YES

[@AL-hb6ti]

#25 is so true. I’ve seen people say Itzy is falling off… as if they aren’t one of the biggest 4th gen girl groups right now. Just because Sneakers isn’t the best title track they’ve ever released doesn’t mean they “fell off”

[@brie2494]

And right now checmate is the 2nd highest selling album in 4th gen gg like really people think they fell off 😕😒

[@hellrayss]

I think they fell off in quality and their own color basically doesn't exist anymore Fell off doesn't means flopping...

[@gummybearraebymmug]

@@hellrayss yeah, i notice ryujins vocals have gotten like, different? like from wannabe era to sneakers it doesn’t sound as good, her vocals were close to yejis during wannabe but now there barely past yunas… idk what happening with itzy but JYP gotta step up his game

[@xan4315]

When people say that they mean that their group identity and music quality has fallen off which is true, but people eat it up anyways so 😬

[@hideyourwenches]

@@brie2494 i'm not arguing that they fell off, i'm sure they have a ton of great things coming in the future, but sales alone shouldn't be the only metric. A group can lose what makes them great if they stop making music that is high quality and resonates with fans, even if that music sells well.

[@lina.mnr...]

I actually love kpop opinions its really interesting

[@multifandomwantstochill]

saaaame. it’s amazing how an industry can make people think different ways 🥰

[@jlizard8500]

I literally binge them. Idk why they're so addicting. But I only watch the youtubers that arent rude.

[@lina.mnr...]

@@jlizard8500 me too these days I watch a lot of these (not rude)

[@yunjeans]

"Love Dive is bad" No. Everything about this is just no. Love Dive should be nowhere near words like "bad" 😧

[@LottaKissu]

@@wonhos_sweaty_ballsack8735 in yet a current top nominee for song of the year 😮‍💨.

[@wonhos_sweaty_ballsack8735]

@@LottaKissu charting and nomination doesn't determine a songs quality. And don't yall always say those award shows are rigged? Girl bye. The song was dookie. And what happened to "everyone has the right to their opinion"? It's always a problem when someone has an opinion that is the complete opposite of yours

[@J1HXXN]

@@wonhos_sweaty_ballsack8735 love dive is amazing idk what you on hunny🤭🖕🏾

[@LottaKissu]

@@wonhos_sweaty_ballsack8735 You’re an outlier, and that’s okay 👌🏾. Love Dive is a top quality song to millions but you don’t think so… and that’s okay. All I did was point out that they will most likely win despite your personal opinion. Don’t know why that made you so upset… It’s just the reality 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@wonhos_sweaty_ballsack8735]

@@LottaKissu I'm not upset I'm just cocky by nature. I'm a little blunt

[@LaurenPebble]

At this point, I’m ready to start calling them the big 4 instead of big 3. You can’t deny HYBE’s influence. Totally agree that girl group stans are rude while boy group stans are delusional.

[@Lalisa-manoBANGS-arestable]

Big 3 is big 3 it will never be big 4 even though hype has a biggest influence

[@LaurenPebble]

@@Lalisa-manoBANGS-arestablewhy can’t it be big 4?

[@heartbear01]

@@Lalisa-manoBANGS-arestable then, famous 4 it is - because you cannot deny Hype's influence

[@LaurenPebble]

@@heartbear01 perhaps fantastic 4? superhero group? Or maybe supervillains…

[@miraturtlerabbit6978]

personally i consider the big 3 more special because they've had such a big impact on the industry from its beginnings in 1st-2nd gen whil hybe has only had major influence from latter half of 3rd gen and up. but, i agree that hybe's influence now is becoming large enough to consider them part of a modern 'big 4'

[@trish7041]

Soloists are generally quite underrated but I think it's cause groups have more things going on? Cause there's more ppl so more chaos but YES STAN BIBI :)

[@emma-sunflower]

YES BIBI !!!!

[@mado_mado]

Oh, am I really the only one who loved Tamed-Dashed...? I think it's a super fun song and I enjoyed it as soon as it came out... apparently not for everyone 😭

[@Cha_t]

It's my fave song from them ^^

[@iwasthebugatsowoozoomuster2021]

Dw...i love it too ... I love going "like hot summer na na na" all of sudden while SCREAMING my lungs off.😭

[@magicale940]

I love it too 💙 even though I prefer their darker concepts like Given-Taken and Drunk-Dazed

[@Isabella-qi7uf]

I think HYBE can be part of the big 4, but the definition of what that is would be different from the big 3. The big 4 would refer to the influential, huge, privileged companies in kpop, but the big 3 cant change: they're the ones who basically started kpop. I use them as two distinct labels. idk it made more sense to me.

[@christinenguyen3113]

The big 3 did change a long time ago though...

[@Isabella-qi7uf]

@@christinenguyen3113 to what?

[@Peachyrina]

@@christinenguyen3113 no

[@christinenguyen3113]

@@Isabella-qi7uf SM DSP JYP to SM YG JYP

[@byulshinning]

@@christinenguyen3113 what I didnt know that

[@schokigirl1989]

I very much disagree about New Jeans. Yes, sure, listen to the music & like the girls. But supporting them (e.g. buying their stuff & watching their mvs) is very much supporting the CEO & company behind them. You giving them money, so why would they ever change their ways? Their ways are making them money, so why would they care to change?

[@brmbootleg]

This

[@willowkpopdance]

I disagree. The girls have worked very hard for their debut, and if no one is supporting them they will no longer be able to follow their dreams. If people want to buy things and watch the MVs it does not whatsoer mean they support the Ceo

[@schokigirl1989]

@@willowkpopdance No, they do support the CEO & the Girls. That's the problem about it & why there is no wright or wrong answer. You need to decide what outcome you can live with more. It's like the trolly problem.

[@brmbootleg]

@@willowkpopdance but that money goes to their creative director (not actually ceo) and also sends a message to the management that we want MORE of these provocative things from the girls. I honestly rather them go under a diff company/management (best case) or disband (worst case) in order to prevent them and other young people from being treated in the same way. I don’t care much about their dream if it means them or other CHILDREN are being mistreated in order to get there

[@jaespae]

i need some people to understand that NWJNS and Lessefim are under complete different labels and management. Yes, they fall under hybe, but hybe has half a dozen labels. those labels all have their own upcoming groups and trainnees, it makes sense that some of their debuts/comebacks are close to each other. NWJNS are under Ador, lessefim are under source music. the labels have almost nothing to do with each other. they probably aren't trying to adjust their schedules to each other, they just want their groups to debut and make money.

[@possibilities313]

doom du doom is so addicting and p1harmonys music in general is super addicting, i hope they keep having consistent comebacks

[@kimdaniel2601]

They are not my ult group but I totally love them and agree. They also have some of my favorite B sides. They need and deserve more recognition.

[@s4turdayss]

fr, ive listened to their recent album so many times already and i havent gotten tired of it at all. gladly theyve been more active this year, with the 2 comebacks, tour and the pink sweat$ collab, and theyve gotten a lot more attention so hopefully fnc takes note and gives them more consistent comebacks

[@a.a.stanyoongles308]

I agree with your response on opinion 5. We rlly dont know what they feel so i think we should just shut up abt whether they wanna be idols still or not. Im just mad at yg for not letting blackpink have a comeback. They trained for years only for yg to not give them comebacks its infuriating. Opinion 25 is just straight up facts. This actually happens a lot imo, when kpop fans says that this group fell off after not liking their comeback the next thing is that group just broke a record lmao. Happens way too often.

[@pinguuthepenguin]

The only reason Orbits are scary is because Loona put so much hard work into their comebacks and still they don't get paid, like at all, and it's sad that many people sleep on their bops. Plus every member has their own song, and it sucks that the average stan doesn't really check out loona. Their storyline is insane and they have 5 subunits and 12 brilliant members. Orbits were really mad at Queendom 2 because Loona got Covid, then practiced different formations, then have members comeback one at a time, change their choreo again and still have a brilliant stage, all within a few days. I am a multistan as well, but loona is so good, it gets me to spread the word

[@dimasta_chas]

I stan both male and female artists, but i think it's safe to say that girls are dominating this year💅💅💅

[@imgalxe]

Not… really?

[@t0masicaaa_]

@@imgalxe they defo are. Bgs these days are all the same, generic, "bad boy" or noisy concept (i luv noise music but not every group can pull it off). Ggs are trending more and have better concepts

[@RUKA_BABYMONST7R]

​@@t0masicaaa_Yesss

[@wookiesone.9]

@@t0masicaaa_ GREAT JOKE BGS ARENT GENERIC YOU JUST KNOW SKZ

[@t0masicaaa_]

@@wookiesone.9 i was a kpop fan for 10 years, cope

[@Angelictigerjin]

I agree with you about BTS and SVT,not only did they Not fall off they broke multiple records each,it's practically going to be Hybe vs Hybe for SoTY and AoTY at all end of year award shows and I am down for that and don't care who wins as longs as its Hybe With BTS taking a Break,Svt is picking up the baton and running with it and actually competing on the same level.(not that SVT needed to wait for BTS to take a break,unlike other groups who actually thought BTS had disbanded and celebrated early)

[@blancagil8297]

Honestly, I've liked enhypen’s comebaks but none as much as given and taken, fever and drunk dazed. The truth is that I loved those songs, as well as the concepts. Sorry if i made a y mistake, I am not a native speaker.

[@rglow_]

I agree! Personally, I think fever is one of their best songs

[@flipppbook]

I feel like the term "the big three" is being understood differently by different people. (I'm not korean so take what i'm saying w a grain of salt but) I feel like the term is less like, a quantifiable ranking of the current top three most powerful or best-selling companies (in which case, of course hybe would be included) and more a way to refer to the companies that have that long-standing history and legacy, the big three companies that built the concept of "kpop" into what it is today. Less who's had the highest sales/the most attention/the most impact in the past couple years and more who are the intangible cultural juggernauts that built the industry.

[@miraturtlerabbit6978]

yeaa that's personally how i see it too ! although i understand how big hybe's influence is now, so i would be fine considering them part of a new 'big 4'

[@rainbowsnowflake1649]

I disagree with the newjeans opinion. Liking the music means you'll watch the mvs again and again, listen /even stream the songs on music platforms and watch performances. Maybe you'll even watch variety content of the girls. All of this gives a message to the company that the girls are being supported and thus, what the company is doing is correct. More 100℅ minor groups will start debuting. Perhaps even (and I hope not) more people like Ador's CEO will be revealed. That's why I don't think supporting the girls in any way will be good in the long run. Ofc this is just my opinion and all of you can feel free to disagree (respectfully!!). I can't stop you from liking the music obvs either

[@rainbowsnowflake1649]

@@jemheres I can completely understand liking the music tbh! I'm not attacking anyone on liking the music and it's completely okay if you listen via fanmade content on KZbin

[@jemheres]

@@rainbowsnowflake1649 thank you so much 🤞🏼

[@rainbowsnowflake1649]

@BIG BUFF ANTI BIGOT BARNEY exactly my point!

[@yoshified_]

i mean, i just don’t feel like it’s right, especially if you like the music, to not support the girls, why should the girls not be successful just bc their ceo is a creep, it’s not their fault, the girls shouldn’t be affected bc of their ceo, but that’s just how i feel.

[@arianwoolf2981]

the girls are talented and the hype around them pretty much reflects around how good their music are (the whole EP is really fresh and their vocal colors compliment with the type of music they've been releasing). I do understand where your coming from.. and I truly wish they debuted a little later where every member is legal (or at least close to being), but I have to disagree about not supporting them. Yes, it would prove a point to the industry but by doing that you're actually supporting the girls to go unnoticed, kinda like you're wishing for them to turn into flops when they rightfully deserve the GOOD support from the people. I think what we should do is to protect them; support them purely because we like their music and artistry and nothing more. a lot of child actors debut with the same or even extreme amount of exposure and i don't see people commenting about that (or maybe there is, i don't really keep up with the acting industry so i might be wrong..) I know they differ but they are kinda similar (IMO) since we're both dealing with fields in the ENTERTAINMENT industry. Ador knows that that is why they are asking help from the fans to report any malicious comments/actions that are made towards the girls. I do not see this alone as a way of proving a point that they are minors, but also for attesting that these ARTISTS are human beings and they deserve to be respected in any way possible. that being said, I also don't support the questionable things the CEO might have done in their past works. is that hypocritical of me? idk this whole situation makes me confused to be honest but I really like how NJ gives a new flavor for Kpop so I'd like to support them and protect them in my own little ways.. at least that is what it is for me..

[@wywrd_mtnt]

but most people don't hate the newjeans girls or the music lmao, they hate the situation they're being put in. the stans "defending the girls" are defending them from people who want them safe from their weird label ceo most of the time. it's fine if you see someone hating on the girls and defend them, but I've seen newjeans stans getting more mad over people being worried for the girls, so there's clearly an issue in that fandom when it comes to figuring out what's hate on the girls and what's outrage FOR the girls

[@kimdaniel2601]

Anyone denying Hybe is big 4 is delusional. I think they have nostalgia for the days when it was BTS from a small company fighting against the big companies. Now BTS are in the big company. Hybe has a lot of groups and it feels like they are debuting new ones every week. They aren’t hurting for money and they definitely have a voice and power in the industry.

[@purpleglamour9089]

And some of these other Stans of the artist in the same company need to remember that if it wasn’t for Bts bringing in the money left and right, then Hybe would not have enough to even start any new groups. The fellas would have been at the bottom and would most like I be disbanded. Gotta give them most of that credit at least as a start up

[@t0masicaaa_]

hybe is a great (kinda) and successful company, but i think they need more expierience and then they would be consiedered as a part of the big 4. But big 3 will never change

[@givemeahammerandillfinisht6407]

you don't know kpop history then lol

[@machoman_13]

“Big 3” isn’t decided by impact. It’s because those 3 companies built k-pop to what it is now. That’s why they’re called “the big 3” in the first place

[@Ubivfucydxyd.]

this vid came outa while ago but i kinda disagree with with the P1H opinion.they have 4 comebacks in 1 year[dilt,ddd,gotta get back,back down] and are are going on tour.i agree they were on the slower side before but 2022/2023 rlly changed things for them,now i feel like p1h is being vry overworked

[@yoshified_]

yeah this video came out right after doom du doom was released, i was just happy that they were putting out music consistently, now it’s getting out of hand though. consistency is good, but like that plus going on tour like every other comeback does seem like a lot, they’re definitely being overworked

[@ashiee7545]

Cravity be serving us a whole meal during every comeback, looking forward to September. I agree with majority of your explanations too ♥♥

[@josephinechivore4261]

i don't really care abt the big 3/big 4 situation, but ik someone who thinks it should just be big 3. the way she explained it to me was that including hybe in the big 3 (making the big 4) would be like giving more schools ivy league status here in the US. ivy does mean prestigious but it also means that your one of the original 8 universities to be established in america. there are plenty of schools here in the US that are just as prestigious and that do just as well as some ivies but they're not given that ivy status and probably will never get it. i think some ppl think that big 3/4 should only pertain to who established modern kpop and others think that it should pertain to whoever is huge rn.

[@midnight_blue_moon]

The whole concept of the Big 3/4 honestly bothers me. Like, the fact that people consider groups "better" just because they're from a big company, or that they'll only stan groups from specific companies baffles me. Sure, those companies might have a lot of really popular groups who have set the standards for the kpop industry, but at the end of the day, they're just as creepy as smaller companies. The only difference is they found some way to be successful despite how awful they are. It feels like people think that the company being successful means they can just ignore all the horrible things the company has done to their idols.

[@kimdaniel2601]

When I hear big 3 I don’t think about the history of Kpop. I think about the power, money, and influence the groups have on the industry. By my definition Hybe absolutely is the big 4 (I think big 4 is the most accurate). Also, the Ivy League analogy breaks down for me because-all the schools were around since colonial times-200 plus years before the term Ivy League was created. Kpop is still a baby in the industry.

[@easminchampa3113]

Ivy league Colleges are really unfair, just try to apply for Engineering subjects as a female , if you're really not in the top 1%, you'll never get what you want

[@machoman_13]

@@kimdaniel2601 well yeah but what “big 3” means isn’t a choice. It is based off of history, that’s the whole purpose

[@alf4345]

not even an engene but, dude! tamed-dashed is great. yeah so this is why everything is abt preference. unless we're musician or smth.

[@tailaxy]

I don’t think BTS fell off, but since the beginning of the english trilogy, their sound has become too commercial and generic for my taste. I’ve been an army since 2016 and I’ve seen them grow and go through their best and their worst, yet my appreciation for them and their music has kinda faded away completely now… It doesn’t feel right calling myself an army anymore either :/

[@purpleglamour9089]

Wow….

[@butnamjoongunshot2510]

Wowwwwwwwww

[@jjbeets8129]

Personally I'm eagerly awaiting the next comeback they do with Pdogg as producer again. I think I would've enjoyed their English tracks more if he was more involved. I have no beef with Butter, or with Dynamite bc Be was a really great album, but PTD is a hard skip for me and as an army that makes me so sad.

[@thatoneATINYinthecomments]

People are already calling Hybe part of the big 4 and rightfully so. With the rate that Hybe keeps putting out groups, which is faster than any Kpop company right now. Plus Knetz and Kpop stans will eat up any group that comes out of hybe and stan them pre-debut. That’s big company privilege at its finest. Apparently it doesn’t matter weather the music is good or groups are talented when it comes to company Stan’s and Hybe sure has many company stans nowadays. There’s no point in even trying to deny it. So yeah Hybe is already part of the big 4 or even above the big 3 companies I’d say.

[@machoman_13]

It’s not based on impact. The whole reason “the big 3” exists is because those companies were active since first generation to now. It’s not a choice or an opinion, it’s a fact

[@edenmelaniee]

@@machoman_13 lmfao the big 3 can change and it already has, the first bug 3 wasn’t always sm, jyp and yg 😂

[@machoman_13]

@@edenmelaniee nobody was officially called the big 3 until all 3 of them were known. Anyways HYBE is currently the biggest company but they haven’t had impact for a long time. By calling it ‘The Big 4’ is dismissing the national and international impact YGE, JYPE and SME has all the way from 1st generation

[@edenmelaniee]

@@machoman_13 . jyp wasn’t originally in the big three, it was another company that was called dsm (idk exactly how it was spelt) so if the title was allowed to change to include jyp why not hybe? and it’s funny how much y’all try and argue that hybe isn’t included when koreans themselves include hybe in the big 4, and it terme of international at least outside of asia no one has taken that further than hybe. that’s the company putting kpop on the map globally so that influence in itself is enough to include them in the big four imo

[@machoman_13]

@@edenmelaniee it’s because JYP was still there for first generation. And just because Koreans consider HYBE to be in ‘The Big 4’ doesn’t mean it is. Just because Koreans consider Rosé the Golden Voice of Korea doesn’t mean she is. That title was originally given to IU

[@sofiag23199]

??? supporting new jeans is literally supporting their CEO. where the hell y'all think the money goes to? no reason why anyone would STAN kids, good music or not. you can find r&b literally anywhere else. if y'all wanna support a borderline p3d0 just say that...

[@KimberlyEdwards1228]

Hybe is not part of the Big 3...and it doesn't need to be and that's the flex.

[@butnamjoongunshot2510]

Facts

[@shatteredshards8549]

The HYBE stans were already in the sauce when TXT debuted; I was still involved enough in ARMY then to remember everyone trying to figure out how they were going to go to TXT's US showcase tour even though it was taking place alongside the Speak Yourself tour. I won't say Big Four, though, because HYBE is buying up smaller labels just to run groups into the ground (they ended Gfriend for what).

[@easminchampa3113]

Yeah and that attracted haters causing TXT's next CB to drop. I stan TXT since JAN and I can say that the amount of hate TXT gets from 4th gen stans for being BTS's juniors is really unexpected.

[@luvforhui]

@@easminchampa3113 its especially insane when other hybe boy groups can adapt the "bts juniors / lil bros" name and not get the same amount of hate txt got. not a predebut fan of them but i heard they were literally sent death threats for being the same agency as bts 💀

[@michellefox7873]

I think I agreed with everything except your savage > black mamba opinion and the tamed-dashed is enhypen’s worst title track opinion 😅 tamed-dashed was such a bop for me. cool video tho! depsite the tons of kpop op videos out there, yours was still fun to watch :)

[@_akuma_.]

Even tho hybe has BTS , jyp , sm and YG literally paved the way of k-pop like . BTS came after that but I agree that BTS made k-pop popular internationally eg - YG - big bang , ikon , 2NE1 etc Jyp - wonder girls , brothers One Two , 2 pm etc Sm - TVXQ , shinwa , SNSD etc

[@med_mandu_uwu24]

Wait I'm subscribing, you're so nice and respectful 😭

[@royalelizzy8344]

I agree with the #25. People say itzy are falling off when they are gaining so much popularity. Just because they first release a royal concept teaser and then the sneakers people were so mad. IMO sneakers was so good and def one of the best song of 2022. they are still "4th gen queen" and their album checkmate is one of the highest selling album in 4th gen and It's okay if you don't like the song but saying they "fell off" is not true. People think it's just about putting on sneakers when it's about freedom

[@HINOK8]

The CEO will continue doing what the market wants. To support the group, must support the music, get them on charts, buy album etc, we want to support them without any ulterior motives. But the company will read it differently. They'll keep exploiting the young girls like that, because they think it works. People will still support the girls no matter the ceo doing. CEO probably "I don't care if you hate me, you still pay for me to continue"

[@woah9011]

6:34 to whoever said "love dive" is bad, you're not alone 💕 i have a lot of opinions about ive but idt anyone's ready for it haha. also i don't think love dive is anywhere close to "bad" but it does sound very empty. like there's an important element missing from ALL of their songs that make their music sound.. empty. for dives, think of it like this: you're eating a very airy vanilla cake. but it's so airy so when you bite into it you can kind of taste it? but you don't feel like you ate anything so you're still hungry. yeah. that's how their songs are to my ear. the music is great but not impactful (for me at least). they don't make songs that sound "full." and it hurts to say this as a forever wiz*one because i was really anticipating ive debut for forever :(

[@yoshified_]

😟

[@nslylm]

about new jeans: do you guys think it's okay to listen to their song "cookie"? like i genuinely love the song (except the lyrics of course!) but I can't help but feel guilty cuz i feel like i'm doing smth illegal by listening to it. i don't stan new jeans and never will, simply because i'm 17 and don't want to stan KIDS younger than me. i just genuinely enjoy their music but i'm not sure if I'm allowed to do so💀

[@multifandomwantstochill]

heck same!:( I really really love their music. those 4 songs are really something and cookie is amazing. but idk if it’s allowed…

[@nslylm]

@@multifandomwantstochill yeah it sucks honestly :/

[@_anetty]

Cookie is a normal song so I honestly don't know what the problem is, Koreans themselves said that the song is even 'childish' so why shouldn't we believe them since Korean is their native language so they probably know better than us? Some people just like drama

[@brmbootleg]

Honestly I recommend just not listening to it on streaming platforms where ur directly giving the company music

[@chaewwwon]

Tamed-Dashed it's one of their best song...

[@chaewwwon]

Meanwhile blessed-cursed it's one of their worst song

[@yoshified_]

never that

[@zoeheu2024]

im glad im not the only one, i still like skz but their old stuf is just so much betterthan thier new stuff

[@jlizard8500]

I feel like their older stuff is more raw? I cant exactly figure it out. I also feel like their older songs had deeper meanings, particularly the b-sides.

[@zeksecc]

Thank god you're not some 👎 ktuber 👎 who call themselves a "feminist" by stanning only the ggs and bashing (straight up being misogynist sometimes) all the female stans of the boy groups

[@aribloomfield4527]

It's misanderist if she hate men not misogynist lol

[@zeksecc]

@@aribloomfield4527 they don't hate men, they hate the "female stans"

[@aribloomfield4527]

@@zeksecc ohhh I see what you mean now

[@thursdayscat]

The term big3 actually means the companies that originally shaped kpop to what it is today, not just big companies with popular groups. Sm yg jyp have been around since gen 1 and influenced the kpop industry itself hence they're given the title. However, I do agree hybe is changing the game nowadays

[@livebreathenightcore5517]

it’s a little difficult to separate ceo from music when said ceo is constantly involving herself with them publicly. talking about their success, showing off the gifts she buys them etc

[@a-yyxy531]

for #24 i also lean towards big numbered groups like i think they interest me more because of the number of voices and things that can be done in a song, the choreos, and the different personalities

[@jlizard8500]

People who avoid big groups because they don't want to learn their names or faces are missing out! They don't have to like big groups, but I'm just saying. I know that doesn't make any sense but yea, they're still missing out.

[@a-yyxy531]

@@jlizard8500 I think its the opposite for me, i think i kinda see like a challenge lmao but yeah they do miss out

[@ladiva7631]

Hybe has a long way to go to reach the Big 3. It's not just about money. They have only one crazy popular group and their fandom supporting everything Hybe does and stanning every new Hybe group. Hybe relies way too much on BTS. Look at what happened to their stocks when BTS announced hiatus. And to repair the damage, they quickly made a statement saying that it's no hiatus and we'll have BTS content like Run, In the soop... Even their new survival show (Japanese I think) is not doing well and they're planning on inviting BTS to attend one episode. Reminds me of I-land when they had to invite BTS to get the show more popularity. The day Hybe can stand alone without relying on BTS, then we'll get into the "big4" debate.

[@yoshified_]

hybe also has txt, and seventeen, who are also crazy popular, they’re not on bts’ level with the popularity obviously, but who is, bts never announced a hiatus, people just assumed that’s what was going on, so they made a statement clearing up what they said. they have a long way to go, i never said that they didn’t but not that long of a way, you can’t deny that they don’t have an impact, maybe that’s bc of bts, but the impact is still there. every group they debut is successful and does well. in a few years, you will definitely be able to add them to the big 3

[@ladiva7631]

@@yoshified_ SVT & TXT are big but big like "huge", no. They don't bring near as much money as BTS. I'm talking for the present and as of right now, they only have BTS. The day BTS will disband and Hybe still doing this well, not being affected by BTS leaving, then we'll consider it.

[@butnamjoongunshot2510]

You said it!!!!👏👏👏

[@easminchampa3113]

Those who think GG make better music than BG never really check out albums or bsides.

[@muhammadfauzan5354]

As a girl group fan, I think it's just way easier to find good girl group songs, since they're very accessible. Meanwhile you need a little bit more digging when it comes to boy groups.

[@easminchampa3113]

@@muhammadfauzan5354 it's bcs boy groups try way more concepts than GG's. GG means girl crush or cute nothing ezceptional

[@myittepnymutianguage3238]

i agree with the 6th opinion, mainly because they can’t be in the big 3, like everyone saying they deserve a Big 3 spot after they passed YG and SM in annual income, they don’t really have the legendary aspect like SM, YG, and JYP did who all started the legendary waves of kpop. SM, JYP, and YG have pushed out legendary and trend setter kpop groups since the late 1990s, versus Hybe who didn’t really get a big group until 2016, 11 years after they started their company, and yeah they have legendary artists but most of them are under subsidiary labels versus BigHit, like all these other groups, especially if their label was created before Hybe incorporated them. Hybe got money hungry and decided to take their chance at pretty much trying to buy everyone, even trying to buy SM Entertainment, but I don’t like people who are huge Hybe stans acting like Hybe made these groups popular, especially Seventeen and stuff, which no the boys made themselves extremely popular. I just think with the way Hybe is running their business is gonna cause them to have a downfall sooner than we think, mainly due to them debuting so many groups, poorly handling scandals, managing their already active artists poorly, and many more aspects. I study the music industry and so watching at what Hybe is doing may be good for now but it’s not gonna work well in the long run if they decide to debut 8 groups every two years, it’s gonna cause people to not want to pay attention to them anymore cause there’s so many groups, but also it’s gonna cause them to leave other boy groups behind. I believe that Hybe also had a say in the disbandment of Nu’est and Gfriend, and will be having a say in pretty much every group’s disbandment under their corporation in the near future.

[@may-ui3ys]

the big three is a name just for sm, jyp, and yg. it’s not the top three companies right now.

[@0seunggf]

I’m going to just add my own opinion here, YALL👏🏻STOP👏🏻SLEEPING👏🏻ON👏🏻XDINARY👏🏻HEROES👏🏻PLEASE ydek how happy i was to see your outro

[@16bitmick]

The "hybe is debuting too many groups" thing annoys me. Hybe is not a production company. You've got BigHit, ADOR, Source, Pledis, BeLift, Hybe Labels Japan, and KOZ. So, if you actually look at how often each company debuts a group, you see that most debut ones every 3-4 years if not longer. Hell, most have only one group or two soloists in total. They all get the "hybe bump", but they are completely different prod companies.

[@zijinity]

one thing i'd like to say is abt scandals/production some people need to understand that JYP (CEO) doesnt ALWAYS monitor EVERY SINGLE thing they do. like how tf- its a company yk? there are other people who actually monitor them

[@dgls127]

Actually, if you're supporting the girls and giving them money you're supporting the company, which means you're supporting the ceo so...... It will be better if we just dont spend any money on NewJeans and only listen to the songs

[@jlr686]

Groups falling off doesn't necessarily mean their actual success aka sales, views etc. it just means that compared to their past music, albums, MVs, etc. their newer stuff just don't hit the same Examples: BTS, Seventeen, Monsta X, ngl Red Velvet with last two comebacks...

[@yoshified_]

no it definitely means there success bc music is subjective, just bc you don’t like their newer stuff doesn’t mean other ppl don’t

[@everydaycrisday]

Responding to that opinion and response about the "The Big 3": Hybe may have done a lot of important things, the company is on the lips of the world these days, yes, it's really important nowadays. But NO, it will NEVER be part of Big3 because Big3 is something historic, Big3 emerged as a title for the three companies that had a big impact in the early days of kpop, and there's no way to change that because it makes no sense XD. It's like changing something in history and saying that Spain can be part of the Soviet Union, it doesn't make sense! (I didn't remember another example)

[@yoshified_]

yeah but they’re making history now, years later, are they not still going to be included in the big 3, as the big 4, i think they will be

[@moamary5536]

#8 The ceo is Min Heejin this girl is known for working with SM and her work was amazing she was good with the visuals the sets and the music. She did it with red velvet nct F(x) Girls generation Shinee but then she left SM and people were sad then Hybe called her. But her actions are unexpectable she did ice cream cake with red velvet and it was also pretty sexy but one of the members were a minor.

[@ara8353]

I love your videos! Your so freaking good at editing. Whenever I watch your videos, it motivates me to make a video as well. Thank you for creating a video! I hope you’re having an amazing day.

[@yoshified_]

thank you sm 😭

[@ara8353]

Np :D I love your pfp!

[@yoshified_]

thank you 🤧

[@kpoplava9221]

aww, the hate acc of everglow up still desperate to look nice everywhere!

[@emmy8495]

Omega X is a newer group for me and I love Love Me Like and Vamos but don't really like cute concepts so Play Dumb isn't for me. They still have some b-sides off their latest album that I like, but I hope they go back toward their first two minis' sound.

[@midnight_blue_moon]

Agreed 100% their other title tracks were so much better

[@easminchampa3113]

My's and orbits are really scary!!! 😞😞

[@lancemaranan5001]

THE ORBITS ONE, (#18) IT'S TRUE. omfg I'm so disappointed because Mamamoo got hate in stan twitter just because they won Qd1, when all they do was pour out their talents, and show themselves to everyone. I love MMM so much and It was underwhelming because instead of seeing more congratulations, I saw those horrible comments by SOME orbits

[@marcelinetvq2004]

bestie kpop opinion videos r interesting. keep it up

[@saanvyy]

When you are first again...skssksk Love your dc server btw... It's soo active

[@kkays]

3:10 omg who are the girls in the bg i need to know

[@yoshified_]

nmixx 😃

[@kkays]

@@yoshified_ ty😭❤️

[@easminchampa3113]

GG stans are always bragging about vocals, visuals and views while BS stans brag about album sales, choreo, music show wins and recently also about views

[@gabrielnalom4930]

No but like why is Bibi not like one of the top soloists. Like her music quality is ethereal.

[@tzunamie]

for the blackpink losing passion one- i agree, but i see it more from jennie and i don’t blame her at all for not wanting to be an idol anymore

[@joobies]

the way cravity doesn’t even has a concept LIKEEE kings

[@hanniefrei]

People saying HYBE groups are only successful because the company has money and influence clearly didn't listen to the songs of the groups. I only love BTOB before but after hearing all of ENHYPEN and NEW JEANs songs and BSides, I fell for them. All their songs have good quality and they dance so well. If they can't perform well, if they have shitty songs but still are famous (I can name a group or two) those are the groups that really on company name and so far all HYBE groups are so competent

[@Sophiaaasophiaaa]

About hybe bot being big 3, I agree. Firstly, bts succeeded under bighit. Seventeen is only under hybe because they bought pledis. Seventeen too debuted way before hybe became relevant. Hybe is simply too new to be put next to labels who have been doing it since first or second gen. Even if you say hybe is bighit, which is not entirely true, bts is the only long running successful group who debuted under their label. Sm had group after group after group, banger after banger, just like yg and jyp. Hybe has potential and I'm almost certain that in a few years, we have to change big 3 to big 4. But not right now. Hybe isn't even close to as legendary as the big 3, simply because becoming legendary takes time and experience. And I'm not gatekeepers or pushing down anyone, it's just facts. Also, as someone who stanned many sm groups and is kind of an sm fan, I do hold some grudges against hybe😅 they did everything right business wise, it's soo man who messed up. But I can't help but think that the major difference between hybe and the big 3 is that hybe 'bought their way into success', which is obviously an understatement to bts, I was an army for a long time and biased bts, and I'm not trying to downplay any of their success. But as I said, the reason Seventeen is under their label is because hybe bought them. And Seventeen was successful before that. It's all rebranding and investing thoughtfully, but hybe is still different to all of the big 3, that's all I wanna say.

[@luluvh]

Up DEVOURED but wa da da is ICONICCC

[@urfavoritecarat]

y'all stan seventeen🤭

[@kcube]

FIRSTTT (sorry to be that person lol)

[@reverbsongz]

not you saying tamed dashed is enha’s worst song when blockbuster exists?? 😧 /lh

[@yoshified_]

blockbuster is a banger 🫵🏿

[@lainiesworldxo]

what do you use for your robot voice? i’m wondering because i’ve starting to edit on capcut and i’ve been struggling with using the robot voice. also a lot of k-pop stan’s use the term “ fell off “ as in they think that their music has progressively gotten worse over the years. as they already peaked in their career music wise. love the video!!

[@yoshified_]

thank you sm, also the app i used is called text to speech, it’s on the app store

[@yoshified_]

thank you sm, also the app i used is called text to speech, it’s on the app store

[@lainiesworldxo]

@@yoshified_ thanks a lot!

[@HailToTheMeep]

Tamed Dashed > Pass The Mic

[@yoshified_]

😟

[@firstlast4572]

okay but love dive slayy, IVE ROTY 2022 💯 also i’m scared for the cb, sandwiched betweeen blackpink and twice 😭 (bp 8/19, ive 8/22, twice 8/26)

[@chxr.rybear]

Idk I it's just me or shouldn't purple kisses title track be pretty psycho instead of memeM

[@yoshified_]

it’s not you, i totally agree 😭

[@sparklypri]

"they were overhyped for a reason, they deserved all the hype" you do realise the self contradiction in the statement, right?

[@yoshified_]

🤭

[@h.r.anderson]

orbits are the main reason i dont stan loona and its sad, cause it seems like orbits are hurting loona themselves, and a fandom should never do that.

[@machoman_13]

Guys, Big 4 can’t be a thing. The whole reason there is a “big 3” is because those three groups were there since 1st generation. It doesn’t matter if it’s 4th generation or HYBE has a bigger impact because that just defeats the purpose of the “big 3”. Hybe only joined in the later generations

[@nixieshah04]

i agree with everything you said omg

[@ITSLEMOON]

mamamoo’s every day is underrated

[@hirotakafurusawa4825]

The one time im not online you release a video about ur discord chat😭😭 ill wait for the next one

[@cometgravity]

hybe isn't part of the big 3 because it's part of the big 4. it's the 4th one 😂

[@kimdaniel2601]

I’ve heard some people argue that YG has been replaced by Hybe in the big three, but I find it easier to just say Big 4 which I think is better anyway.

[@cometgravity]

@@kimdaniel2601 yeah totally i'm not particularly invested in this stuff but it doesn't seem worth arguing about who's Not in the big 3 anymore as much as it makes sense just to add a new company

[@_akuma_.]

It can't be the changed to big 4

[@_akuma_.]

Even tho hybe has BTS , jyp , sm and YG literally paved the way of k-pop like . BTS came after that but I agree that BTS made k-pop popular internationally but YG , sm , jyp literally paved the way of k-pop from 1st gen eg - YG - big bang , ikon , 2NE1 etc Jyp - wonder girls , brothers One Two , 2 pm etc Sm - TVXQ , shinwa , SNSD

[@Marte_H]

Why does no one understand how hybe works? It not "hybe" releasing group after group, but the labels within hybe who are responsible for their own groups. Somehow the umbrella term "Hybe" is making y'all forget that we're talking about 6/7 individual labels.

[@yoshified_]

no im pretty sure people know that, it’s still hybe as a whole tho

[@rfauni7181]

best kpop youtuber me thinks

[@ch3rrybl0ss0ms6]

i think hybe is apart of the big 3 (big 4). the opinion said that they don't have the same impact in kpop history like the original big 3, however technically everything in the past is history. which would mean that everything that hybe has done is now apart of kpop history, it may not be as extensive as the big 3, since those companies have been around longer, but everything in the past is now hybe's history. i don't really know how the company works, all i know is that there's a shit ton of companies under hybe, with hybe being the overseer of those companies, and i would say that no company has done that before (someone can prove me wrong if they want, i don't actually know a lot about kpop companies lol), thus meaning that hybe has made an impact in kpop history, their groups have made history by existing. so i would say that in kpop there's the big 4 now, especially if you consider how quick new groups gain popularity when they debut under hybe and the other big companies, the same thing doesn't happen to other groups who debut at the same time if they're not under one of the big 4 (hopefully i have made sense, it's too late for my brain to correctly function and make sentences lol)

[@Ayzlxn]

6:35 😨 I didn’t just hear that did I 😶

[@cometgravity]

i have to disagree with the opinion about "falling off", i usually think of falling off as referring to a drop in quality and not a drop in success. some groups are literally too big to fail at this point so they'll never lose streams or anything but i will say they've fallen off if i notice the songs are going down in quality. and to an extent that is an opinion, but also there are slightly more objective ways to judge that music is now Less Good than it was before. so yes i do actually think bts has fallen off in recent years, and i say this as a huge bts stan who's loved them deeply since 2016. their older music is just better and more unique and creative than their newer stuff. THAT'S what i mean when i say a group fell off. idc about charts i care about quality

[@rohansengupta5662]

Just remember the fact that if a thousand people feel like their quality of music dropped there will also be a thousand people who will think that the quality is the same or even improved. So referring that a group fell off based on quality of music is a very vague statement cuz there is no factual proof of the same

[@wonwoop]

“quality” is very objective though. cause what some people consider low quality other could consider as a group at their best

[@cometgravity]

@@rohansengupta5662 like i said in my original comment, yes it is personal opinion to an extent but i do think there is a more objective way to judge music and when i used bts as an example i think it is objectively true that their newer music is less interesting to listen to and therefore not as good as their older music. that's all i'm saying

[@cometgravity]

@@wonwoop "quality" is also possible to judge on a less subjective level like when you can tell production is faulty or low effort. which is the kind of thing i'm referring to

[@kimdaniel2601]

@@wonwoop did you mean subjective here? If you did I agree.

[@e.5134]

"Seperate the CEO from the group" How are we supposed to do that? How are we supposed to support the group without giving money to the CEO? Like you know, everytime we watch a NewJeans' MV, the CEO gains a little more. İf you are mad about it, go and do a boycot till the CEO gets fired. Sorry but I don't have any othet solution ideas.

[@lennyanyn]

tbh buying newjeans content is directly supporting the ceo and giving hybe money despite the shit they've been doing, so... I think It's fine if you're just listening to their music

[@nexolord9]

If IVE doesn't win rookie of the year yall cancelled tbh even SOTY

[@engenexblink9122]

I thought that I will argue with you😅, good thing I watched the whole video... I agree to everything that you said😁

[@neevwadhwani4145]

WHY DO U NOT LIKE TAMED DASHED PLEASE ITS LEGIT MY FAV OF THEIRS😭😭😭😭💔💔💔💔

[@yoshified_]

i like it, it’s just not my favorite

[@smile.475]

Hey! I sadly can't join your Discord server, it says the invite is no longer available. Can you please send me the link again here?

[@yoshified_]

sure discord.gg/yaYwxHeT

[@smile.475]

@@yoshified_ its working now thanksss

[@theinternettrashcan3808]

ik this is supposed to be serious video but i laughed so hard to ur response when person said they dont like felixs killing part lmfao *thats very unfortunet for u * 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@yoshified_]

i was joking when i said that lmfao

[@ewfjow90uf27]

WHAT U THINK WA DA DA IS BETTER THAN UP????😟

[@yoshified_]

you don’t 😟

[@ewfjow90uf27]

@@yoshified_ ofc not wadada is so bad (i used to like it😕) and up is so good😟

[@hilallovesseokjin8533]

hybe is literally the biggest company in kpop and it doesnt matter they are a part of the big3 bc they dont need to, they ate

[@kosmobound]

tbh i think there are more ggs that have toxic fandoms, but the toxic bg fans are just so much louder than some of the ggs im looking at u, army

[@yoshified_]

i think it’s both evenly split lmfao

[@butnamjoongunshot2510]

Why are you looking at army??

[@kosmobound]

@@butnamjoongunshot2510 toxic armys are loud. im an army too dw

[@butnamjoongunshot2510]

@@kosmobound facts

[@j0...]

i feel like kpop stans are getting more and more opinionated and toxic like okay i get it its your opinion but like keep it to urself 💀💀esp with all the hate and random speculation yall deliver to ur idols like chill