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[@bearbrown]

I’m pretty sure Apples marketing department can swing this to make us believe that Apple now have made USB-C good enough to have a place on the iPhone.

[@cheddarbuttersworth2441]

You have a great user handle and drawing of a bear. It’s fantastic.

[@Dxc-nx2ro]

Sounds just like apple

[@Predator-FTW]

What do you mean 'apple have made USB-C good enough'? Apple did not make USB-C? They just built in into their devices?

[@bearbrown]

@@Predator-FTW I know. What I meant was that instead of saying “here’s the new iPhone with USB-C because of regulations” they will market it as if they came up with the idea themselves and that it’s the best thing ever. Marketing tricks to make something look and sound better than it actually is :)

[@Gokhanaj]

Apple actually created USB-C, and opened it up in 2014.

[@mechamach8873]

This video is going to either age incredibly well, or terribly

[@HearMeLearn]

So is the one from mkbhd lol

[@happyspacefun3796]

@@HearMeLearn not really he just said that it would be unfortunate that apple could go that way and that if in the end apple made a USB-c it would be great for him

[@Raja995mh33]

In really short terms, it probably age well but long term? Probably not Drew clearly only thought about USB-C on phones and also not really long term. 80gbps and 240W may be nice and super fast on phones and NOW but that doesn't mean anything. In 10 or 20 years those speeds are probably laughable. Just think about 20 years ago. 480mbps with USB2.0 was high-end and SUPER fast. And now those speeds are a bad joke and people make fun of it. But with this law, all companies are forced to use USB-C and won't develop a new, much better port like USB-D or whatever.

[@Raja995mh33]

@Farb S yeah in theory 🙄 in practice, this stuff takes YEARS. And the results are open. Which changes nothing about the fact that no one will develop a newer, better port because they would have to wait YEARS for an updated law and can't even be sure if it will be changed. And who says that USB-C (the port/connector) is perfect and will never need a physical update? I have huge doubts that the port design will have limits at some point.

[@Alias_Anybody]

@@Raja995mh33 USB A was the default for what, 25 years? With 3 major backwards compatible upgrades? I don't think we'll have to be worried about USB C till 2035.

[@paulbarnett227]

They should have up-sold USB-C on the iPhone 13 Pro when they started supporting Pro-Res. There's a missed opportunity there.

[@c.w.k.n.5117]

I can't speak for everyone but I definitely would have tried a IPhone if it was USB C.

[@MoffieGirl]

I use pro res all the time and have had no issues. I don’t know that I’ve ever used the port to transfer data lol it just magically shows up on my Mac when I need it

[@michaelhall9146]

It’s too late now. Here’s hoping it’s added this year. I don’t care for transferring stuff, it would just be nice to have it since my MacBook Pro and iPad Pro have USB-C.

[@danielsowell2621]

I think what Apple really should have done was switch to USB Type C on the iPhone X and all other accessories at the time. That would have significantly reduced lighting e-waste.

[@michaelhall9146]

It’s too late now. There no time travel.

[@danielsowell2621]

@@michaelhall9146 I know, but better late than never.

[@demolicous]

The cable law is to be revisited every 5 years. If some sort of magic innovation happens in the 'cable that plugs into my device' space then that new cable would be adopted

[@privateisthegaypenguin9164]

How would you know which innovation is the future?

[@demolicous]

@@privateisthegaypenguin9164 It would be incredibly obvious. It's should be embarassing that you even have to ask. It's a cable, it's reversible, it charges up to 240w, ot transfers up to 80gbps. The next cable will have these intense new innovations! -It's a cable -It's reversible -Supports more than 240w -Supports more than 80gbps

[@9an13l]

Itterative design, standardisation, as well as backwards compatibility, could make this the last physical data transfer form factor, so if they word it precisely enough then revisiting the law every 5 years shouldn't really be necessarry

[@privateisthegaypenguin9164]

@@demolicous just like how usb b took off right?

[@privateisthegaypenguin9164]

@@demolicous what I’m saying is just because a cable is “better” on paper doesn’t always actually make it better for the general public, and allowing our extremely out of touch governments to make that call seems dumb… I’m still happy that apple will be ditching lightning, just think they could’ve come up with a better solution to enforce this

[@riickyworld1]

Apple can’t release a portless iPhone just yet because there are still new car models being released with only wired Apple CarPlay. Which is a big no no in the Apple ecosystem. This is what I commented in MKBHD’s video. That’s why I think the next iPhone won’t be portless, but more than likely USBC. I think what they will do though is cap data transfer in the regular models, while the pro models will be fast USBC data transfer.

[@BlizzardWind99]

Like the 10th gen iPad has much slower data rate than the others

[@riickyworld1]

@@BlizzardWind99 yup. I see them doing the same with the iPhones. Gotta leave the good stuff to the pros lol.

[@Ghettofinger]

I am not saying they will or they won't, but there is a small number of cars that use wired carplay anymore, even the cheap ones are wireless. Those people that have wired carplay just won''t be considered. If there is enough people complaining, they will just make a dongle. I don't think this will create a hindrance in Apple's decision making at all.

[@riickyworld1]

@@Ghettofinger dongles won’t fix the CarPlay functionality in those vehicles lol. A wire needs to be plugged into those cars in order for apple CarPlay to work. Either apple enforces wireless all the way to those still releasing new models with wired Apple CarPlay or they can’t release a portless iPhone yet.

[@mypdf]

@@riickyworld1 or they relase a dongle that adds wireless car play for those cars (by plugging into the port where the iPhone would plug in otherwise)

[@mattobambino]

I’m glad you mentioned CarPlay because that was one thing I haven’t heard other people mention. I don’t know the ration of wired to wireless CarPlay cars but it would definitely cut off a bunch of users

[@lucassocci1760]

You have a good point! I as a consumer would totally buy an older version or keep my phone in order to keep having the option of wired charging, especially since my car only supports wired CarPlay.

[@GAZDA82]

You can buy a wireless dongle less than 50 aud plug it into the usb slot and when paired to iPhone it will trigger CarPlay to start

[@honzaskypala]

I find it funny to argue against standardized charging port, when the outlets in our houses have to be standardized.

[@kelaEQ2]

Except that standard is not set by a law, it is set by a standard organization separate from the government and therefor if they wanted to change the standard they don't need an act of congress to do so.

[@TechOutAdam]

I'm siding with knowing Tailosive's video will age very well. Everyone dissed and talked about how dumb the notch was but Tailosive was the only one who made sense of it lol and he ended being right about it's success!

[@bigbirdsmurderer4168]

Who asked?

[@daniaaal]

@@bigbirdsmurderer4168 who asked you to ask about who’s asking?

[@Anytbing_lol]

The notch isn’t a success, maybe for you apple fanboys but everyone else hates it

[@jonathanb.1215]

@@Anytbing_lol I disagree most people don't care those who hate it are a way smaller percentage, maybe now that phones are moving away from it yea but during the notch days I don't think most people cared

[@Anytbing_lol]

@@jonathanb.1215 Samsung, LG, huawei and other Android phones have moved from the notch long time ago and yes just because it was on a lot of phones doesn’t mean everyone liked it the main complain was the fact that a camera covers the screen making you unable to get the full picture.

[@vishalmatam]

I actually watched both Dave2D and MKBHD's waveform podcast as well where they talked about the portless iPhone and I just couldn't believe they said what they said. Usually they're pretty good about their arguments. But hey no one's perfect. I think Jos' initial answer is why people they think they're gonna go all "Apple" about it and remove the port so that they don't have to comply with the EU laws, but all Jos did was give a classic Apple evasive answer, tell a long story and at the end kind of address the question.

[@tygs]

I like Dave 2D . Very underrated guy.

[@user-sc4ne9zj2e]

Watching both of their videos I was kind of just shocked. They were just off.

[@I-O-I-]

Yeah honestly any of the arguments that both said makes any sense, I got the feeling that they’re just saying the opposite of the common belief to make themselves appear smarter, the worst thing is that some people took their word as law and now they’re repeating the same thing over and over again. Now I just wish Apple really makes the switch so they end up swallowing their words lol.

[@ethanlinderman8833]

In mkbhds waveform podcast Marques said they won’t go portless, but rather go usb c. So idk what you’re talking about.

[@jeanmichelaulas1205]

Well to be fair he was evasive of the question, which was will Apple switch to USB c on the next iPhone

[@azurethessian]

Well on that last part, MKBHD missed mark completely. I agree with you Drew. USBC has long future inside mobile market. Even if we arrive at the moment when better connector is needed (e.g. USBD) there is absolutely nothing that will prevent its adoption: 1. EU legislation doesn't prevent creating/testing new connectors for the purposes of R&D, so in labs you can very much test something better for the future. 2. Legislation is not set in stone. If we get USBD which will transfer 1TB/s of data, 16K video res and 500W of charge inside one simple cable, nobody will stay in its way if its an open standard like USBC. I do hope Apple won't go port less. Its retarded idea considering they market it as a recording device. Its ludicrous now with Lighting, basically you're forced into Cloud storage like Mega, Dropbox etc to transfer data, but what's the point of using Cloud-transfer bridge when you want to copy file locally? It doesn't make any sense to go port less for most people. Especially if iPhone is the only Apple device you poses. As for Apple whining that they are forced blah, blah. They shot themselves in the legs and arms and basically any other organ many years ago. When USBC was new and locked behind royalties. They had a rather long period when they could lead the charge (pun very much intended) of USBC to the market, but they did what Apple always do. Walled garden, delay, milk $, repeat. Fortunately that $hit is coming to an end. No more Lighting is at hand.

[@thedark_superman7845]

I just love the vibrancy of your videos! I think you’re hilarious! Keep up the good work!

[@TechSpaceCowboy]

Fully agree MKBHD is the 🐐. But sir, you too are one of my favorites. Love both your channels and I pull inspiration from both of you for my own

[@JackTheBlack1585]

Mkbhd is the most overrated tech KZbinr there is

[@Alias_Anybody]

@@JackTheBlack1585 Yeah. He's basically every hipster cliche turned into a human being.

[@justaguyfromreddit]

@@JackTheBlack1585 his problem is that he is American. He his too biased

[@LordZorak11]

Bought an earbud after watching his favorable review on the product. It sucked and totally worthless now. Never going to watch him again.

[@AndrejGeorgievski]

Great points! One thing about the law though - the EU law is not directly aimed at Apple per se. There's a lot of accessories on the market right now that charge with USB-Micro B, USB-Mini, or other connectors, which is nuts in 2022/2023. Standardizing all of those to USB-C is a big win for customers!

[@TailosiveTech]

iPhone is by far the biggest item on that list, it's primarily targeted at them

[@ILoveGrilledCheese]

It’s a generalized ruling in name only. It was clearly aimed at Apple.

[@marcosmileo]

HDMI is on that list? why having HDMI makes any sense?

[@Convention_De_Geneve]

Mini-USB? In 2022? Where?

[@katrinabryce]

@@Convention_De_Geneve Yeti Blue Microphone.

[@mickinetsystems]

Yeah, your point about the cable in relation to factory reset is a strong one. When there is a bootloop or soft brick, which happens a lot to most people, you will need to connect the phone through a cable to flash a firmware. I dont think that can be done wirelessly. I remember raising this same point on Marques’ video

[@mikeunderwood659]

A well-reasoned video, points cogently made; nice work👍

[@zachbudnick1641]

Personally I’d rather have usbc over portless even though I do see better water resistance but I normally don’t use my phone near water so I’d take usbc any day for less cables

[@aruce9]

thank you for bringing up that apple helped make the USB-C connector, Apple will replace all ports on their macbooks with type-c but not put the same port on the iphone that creates video/image files that are several dozen gigabytes in size. Hell USB-4 spec is the old thunderbolt 3 spec that intel allowed for other companies to use in their products. The M1 ipad pros use USB-4 and it is lovely. They could even allow the pro iphones to dip into ipad pro features a bit.

[@EuphoricPentagram]

one crazy thing is that qi charging (the base for wireless charging including mag safe) does have a data transfer standard so if apple either teams up or makes their own data transfer protocol then the cable would be obsolete because you could charge and transfer data which is really all lightning does edit: most qi chargers do not currently support data transfer but it is possible especially if apple wanted to go with that path

[@riccardopezzani]

MagSafe it’s just a cable with a magnetic connector on the end, so why going to extreme lengths to make “wireless” on par with a regular connector when you already have a perfectly functioning connector in the first place? Also, have you seen the prices of MagSafe cables? And considered how many more resources are going to make each of those giant pucks full of magnets and copper coils? Energy waste while using them? Just why?

[@zico1024]

So basically, if Apple goes this route, you’d have another proprietary standard that’s just lightning 2.0 but worse. Worse in that, instead of just plugging in a cable, you take another cable with a huge disc attached to it in order to slap it onto the back of your phone, to essentially serve the same purpose. Except it’s equally as inconvenient as it’s just another cable in the litany of cables that people would still have to carry around within the Apple ecosystem. It’s ridiculous but a very Apple thing to do. And the fanboys will praise it as usual…

[@sunnywoll]

your comment reminds me of "this is the future" while everybody actually lives in the present and "future" today just means everything is incompatible with your device

[@sakurojason]

And now you have a MagSafe puck that communicates with NFC and how much do you charge for it? $200? Who’s gonna buy that over a $15 USB-C cable? It would severely hurt marketing sales. It’s nonsense.

[@sakurojason]

@Carl Gunderson it wouldn’t make sense to add data communication through a MagSafe Puck anyways. I was already claiming that it would be nonsense.

[@reubenbermudez8388]

Liking this video as soon i watched the intro, it was great

[@heidibrowne8788]

I like MKBHD, but I love your channel b/c you always make sense to me. Thx for the great content! 👍🏻

[@ahurafarahani7751]

very well-made video and actually has proper topics.

[@sayjor]

really glad you made this video. that entire Waveform convo about this was soooo strange. Love MKBHD!!! But I can’t help but feel he’s waaaaay off with his iphone x subcommittee perspective.

[@ross4]

I'm pretty sure you're correct. iPhone going portless would break so many cars with wired CarPlay. Customers would be way more upset going portless than going USBC.

[@jirofeingold3640]

I’ve been hopefully about this. Apple would then have to create a good wireless adapter for CarPlay…

[@m2ngwa89]

I totally agree with the points that you make.

[@saidchammas]

I knew this video was coming and i'm here for it

[@lilman227]

Ok, this is legit a fantastic point… gotta have some sort of service port for restoration, and debug

[@kundan4957]

Man I was convenced by watching MKBHD's video that portless is what apple gonna do , but you have made even better points.

[@klayf_]

great video, really informative

[@alonso88x]

Totally agree with this video. When I watched the MKBHD video I also had a feeling that "portless iphone" will not happen as soon as it is believed and that apple will have to comply with usb c measures way before that happens. I admire MKBHD a lot and I consume all his content, but for a couple of years now he has this idea that in the future the iPhone will not have ports and I think that, in some way, he wants to convince himself that it will be so and that is why he oriented the usb c video that way. And I'm pretty sure there will be a portless iphone eventually, but by 2024? magsafe would have to improve radically with charging and also data transfer speeds, plus all the external accesories.

[@JoeCastellon]

I was going to counter the argument about more lightning cables in the world, then I looked at my home, and yes, more lightning than USB C cables. Although, more Micro USB than lightning cables 🤔 be that as it may, it just irks me that Apple throws that e-waste card all over the place. I wish they were more transparent about simply removing the chargers to make shipping more cost effective, instead of providing arguments that assume all of their consumers are dumb ass derps.

[@bolttracks]

Complaining about e-waste while having yet to make long lasting cords.

[@filippogamer2994]

I also think that a usb cable normally breaks before the smartphone, I have never had a cable that lasted longer than the product that charges and also most of people won’t change everything that year so even though you switch the phone maybe you have the older AirPods or viceversa or an older iPad or you already have a newer ipad that uses type c so you already have both cables. So I don’t think that e-waste is a problem and giving you 2 years to comply also gives you time to stop production of old cables and finish most of storage inventory so you don’t trow them in the bin

[@coasterblocks3420]

@@bolttracks bingo. Lightning cables break so easily and quickly, I’d hate to think how much money I’ve spent on new cables.

[@benjaminsmith4355]

I think if Apple went fully portless, I think a magsafe to lighting adapter can be done. they have 3 years to try to improve the tech. and plus you can transfer data by NFC so that adapter just have to support NFC and then it would go through lighting.

[@nadrile]

NFC is not designed to handle large amounts of data, they’d have to make another version of NFC to handle bigger amounts of data, which is exactly the type of fragmentation the EU law tries to kill. But yeah, lightning to MagSafe power cable is easy. Edit: just to clarify, making another version of NFC that’d likely be proprietary and usable in a very niche use case.

[@DONQUIIIXOTE]

Brilliant video. Felt the same when I heard mkbhd’s thoughts. I hope apple adopts an approach similar to what you state here.

[@dillonsukram9381]

1:11 Same here. I was subscribed to him since 2016. And watched you since 2017.

[@theanimazin]

“I have no idea what you’re talking about.” Will never get old. 🤣

[@cherrypop4675]

This is the best video I’ve seen about this topic

[@hellothere6627]

I wish the USB C cables, and corresponding adaptors had a standard way of of expressing the abilities on the product intake MKBD made a video on this topic too I have a lighting to USB C adaptor, but it only transfers power. Cheaper less capably USB C cables will be used for setups the require more, but you can’t know unless you keep track of the cord from its original packaging or figure out a way to test it

[@jackyharuhiko]

Great video!! I like your refutation to MKBHD’s points.

[@masonwoolard7161]

Unrelated question but how old were you when your beard started to become full?

[@technogames8182]

Well Drew. You were right👍

[@PavelCrisostomo]

Brooo , I agree more with your point than with the marque's one

[@egauci1]

Either explanation is compatible with the response. As I see it, the main issue with a MagSafe-only iPhone is case compatibility.

[@techindepth27]

And the lack of quick file transfer. Although it isn't great over Lightning anyway...

[@armaan1786]

not even an issue, most good phone case companies sell their cases with magsafe compatibility or a version that does that

[@egauci1]

@@armaan1786 maybe not an issue for you or me, but there are a lot of iPhone cases that are not MagSafe compatible

[@ssiso8]

That’s the main issue really? How about an iOS update messing up your phone, instead of plugging it in and restoring it yourself you’ll have to either take it to apple or have it shipped for them to restore and fix it. Sounds so green and eco friendly not to mention convenient for the user.

[@armaan1786]

@@egauci1 do you transfer phone cases from generation? they don't work like that. if you search up "iphone 15 phone case", they arent gonna come up without magsafe function.

[@DCuerpoJr]

Given the massive file sizes when recording in ProRes clips and ProRaw pics, it would make sense to transition to USB-C and hopefully Thunderbolt 3 or 4.

[@qayyax]

This is why I love Drew and his podcast

[@ArthurET]

I mostly agree with you, but I feel that Apple will do a sneaky move and put USB-C 2.0, like the iPad 10. It would solve the universal charging cable, but data transfer speeds would be incredibly slow, and they wouldn't put an adapter.

[@TailosiveTech]

Still better than what they have now, data transfer speeds are already incredibly slow. Would be nice if they at least used the universal port tho

[@Poppyblender]

With the iPhone 7, Apple included a headphone jack adapter due to the removal of the jack. So I don't why they can't include the adapter, plus it'll be good pr.

[@AnonN-sr6uu]

this aged like cow milk

[@ArthurET]

@@AnonN-sr6uuTechnically, the regular 15 got USB 2.0, so I was half-right

[@jeffeisley]

you actually changed my mind

[@PatricioBenavente]

They can do something strange like they do with the removal of the sim slot. USA iPhones with lighting and everywhere else usb-c

[@taydru36]

I agree with Marquez especially on the e waist thing they should have been usb-c

[@sondtellwilliams]

Haven’t seen Tailosive in some years. You look great man like you lost some weight. Much love

[@BrentCooper8]

I think powerless would be a bad way to go unless Apple can get wireless charging speeds as fast as (or close to) quick charge wired speeds for iPhones. Yes I know Android wireless charging can be a lot faster, but I think this would be good enough for people to not complain about the speed. But most importantly, I am not a fan of MagSafe charging because of how bulky the puck is. I can cram a lightning or usb C cable in my bag easier than the MagSafe puck. Don’t get me wrong, I use the MagSafe Duo Charger at home and when traveling since it’s so small, but I have that lightning cable and a 30W brick I can plug my iPhone into if I need to fast charge my iPhone before going out for the night. Lastly, the MagSafe puck is one more cable I need to bring with me. I can charge my 16” MacBook Pro and iPad pro with USB-C, my Apple Watch and AirPods Pro 2 with the Apple Watch charger. Why do we need to add a 3rd? I will still keep it around to charge my AirPods Max as well as other lightning devices more efficiently and quickly than wireless charging. But if we could move everything to USB-C and the Apple Watch Charger, that’s 1 fewer cable I need to take with me. And maybe one day, the Apple Watch can charge on a Qi charger.

[@dannyflac2356]

Good points, I didn’t even realize wizards like mark gurman are saying a usb c iPhone is gonna happen, and I didn’t even think about how switching to usb c is actually better for e waste than portless. I think I disagree on your point about apples response during the interview, just bc it’s too hard to analyze and try to read the exact wording and context of the answer, so I’m on the fence with that one. And as for the “what if a better connector is invented?” Argument, the only thing I think could actually improve usb c is making it magnetic, other than that, yea there’s very little to improve on, especially when you consider thunderbolt 3/4

[@ProjectSerpo90]

Nailed the Craig Federighi impression, well done. And i agree MKBHD is by far the best Tech Tuber, i love his videos even if i dont always agree with him, but differing opinions are a great thing.

[@arandomguy46]

was thinking this when he made the video

[@chaffiebombs]

Thank god someone covered wired carplay

[@giothed00d]

Think about it. If there were gonna go portless, they wouldn’t have been so vocal about this law cause it wouldn’t have mattered. Also the law was essentially targeting Apple, and if they try to work around this, the EU probably won’t let that slide since that defeats the whole purpose of said law. What I COULD see, if Apple wants to be stubborn, is an EU version with type c and lightning in other areas… I’ll be importing if that happens

[@jidofole]

Nailed it with that rant!

[@msquirrel1]

Thank you! There is no other technology that Apple can turn to to bypass this law. USB-C is the step forward!

[@michaelcorcoran8768]

Yes and if you read the 11th bullet point of the law it says if a device can fit a port, it has to include it.

[@eomoran]

@@michaelcorcoran8768 if a device has a charging port, it must be type C. And if it’s the case of “can fit a port” all that means is that apple needs to make the phone not have enough spare space inside for a port as opposed to having to make it thin enough to include one

[@Authan65]

@@michaelcorcoran8768 Again, wrong.

[@jsoria1]

Good answer to Marques!!

[@BaconFaceMcGee]

If Apple switched to USB C for iPhone it would irritate and excite lots of people. I would mostly be annoyed because I’d have to switch out all my cables I have for my iPhone. I’d still be able to use them with my iPad though. Unless the Lightning to USB C port was sufficient.

[@malfaro3l]

I don’t say this often, but you are 100% right.

[@raychat2816]

the E-waste argument in one that’s eventually inevitable , let Apple not worry too much about old cables at least, I for instance will be using those cables to tie rugs off when not used in the summer

[@lamarwallace1462]

He is the greatest, however I like your opinions which made me favor Apple products and just honest with every feature good or bad at all times. Been watching you for like 5 years you guys on the list for me😎

[@whiteroommenace]

They'll likely go ipad way, perhaps ipad 10 is a field test to evaluate usage of the dongle and USB c. Add the dongle and some premium to it and it fixes all the loopholes.

[@sammito_]

I agree with you. Although I would like to see a port-less iPhone.

[@kevinhenry7940]

he is great in his own lane and you are great at what u do.

[@LShortcuts]

On Apple Watch, there is a 60GHz wireless interface for restores, etc.

[@nagyba]

BTW Marquez should have mentioned that Apple missed all other soft law agreements and screwed over all manufacturers... to comply with the charger unification process that started more than a decade ago.

[@garyclark6747]

Well stated🎯

[@prettystreetchic]

From what I remember MKBHD made it clear what/how the interviewer asked.

[@lordm5720]

That wired CarPlay point is so valid

[@seanylim]

I recently converted from Android to iPhone and this has been my biggest headache. In the past, I only have 1 brick and 1 wire to charge my devices but now I need another charger and wire for the iPhone. Not to mention, needing another pair of earphones because my Type-C ones won't work.

[@ZombieDude0001]

Finally, someone with sense. I watched MBKHDs vid on the subject and was just confused. Apple has already gone USB C with tablets and Mac's, plus a portless phone sounds terribly inconvenient for travel. It just doesn't make sense to me for them to go that route.

[@LeviLeviLevi]

Long-shot but maybe just maybe the iPhone ultra will be port-less and have some kind of smart connector for data transferring but MagSafe as it’s main charger.

[@Na0uta]

I'm saying now as I have for years. They will either go to thunderbolt (which is compatible with C) or go to a magnetic pin like with the older MacBooks.

[@gamerclips1882]

I think they can use a MagSafe type thing like the Apple Pencil. No port but still an Apple cable 👀

[@TreyWaylifestyle]

Agree ❤❤ love it

[@armandopineiro4022]

It's 2 years out, we will 100% have that portless iPhone by then it's just how it is unfortunate but how it will be hopefully when it does go down I can go back to this very video and eat my words although again unfortunately pretty sure I won't.

[@lucythebrazen]

Additionally, 200W charging for phones is insane, even if we factor in potential new battery technologies. Because higher charging power requires either higher voltage or higher current, and especially higher current would require bulkier connectors, which isn't a trend I realistically see happening. Higher voltage is a bit more hit and miss, because the limiting factor there would be the distance between the pins to avoid them shorting out. The headroom there, even with USB-C as a connector is much higher. And we aren't even talking about what those high charging currents/speeds do to current batteries, or that it simply just isn't needed. Currently phone batteries fall somewhere inside a 10-20Wh hour range. Meaning, even bigger batteries can be charged with 20W charging in about an hour (minus charging efficiency). If we very generously double, or even tripple current battery capacity, while trying to keep the same charging times, we would end up requiring 60W chargers. Which is something USB-C can easily provide already. Considering phone SoCs have become more and more power efficient, a trend that very likely is to continue, you'd easily get multiple days, maybe a week of use with this hypothetical battery technology, furthermore reducing the necessity for 100+W fast charging. Not to speak of how much you probably are degrading your batteries with extremely high charging rates, making those rather gimmicky. And we haven't even reached the data transfer speed argument. Currently, even many USB-C phones still only use USB 2.0 speeds for their data interface. Current USB-3 standards provide orders of magnitude faster data transfer rates, and considering how much the speeds you can achieve over USB-C have already improved since its introduction there is no reason to assume we are about to reach the upper limit of what can be transferred over the connector in the close future. I just don't see a world where 5 years down the line USB-C becomes a bottleneck for phones, given how long we've been stuck by 2.5-5W charging, USB 2.0 speeds, and the basic physical limitations of battery technology and necessity to move huge amounts of data off of your phone.

[@gizarry]

You know i think it all comes down to the 2012 iphone 5 keynote where we were told than lightning was the plug for the next decade which they went trouth with. So usb c it will be in 2023

[@jcru40]

If their entry level iPad went to USB’s then why not phones , I believe they will go to usbc

[@AsYLuMUnderground]

I think that Apple will make the type-C port would be a Apple standard or something similar to how the Nintendo Switch’s type-c port with its odd power draw

[@axllebeer]

I think that the price bumps we are starting to see are yes, inflation, but another part to offset in advance the MFI program that will start to taper off with the death of iPhone. Also, MagSafe for iPhone will also offset this fiscal change through the MIFI program. What do you thing Drew?

[@macberry4048]

When Apple took the charger out of the box I thought that was a play to start upselling chargers but nobody talks about fast charging their iPhone. On the other hand I doubt most iPhone users know that you shouldn't charge your phone overnight but it doesn't matter if the battery can't charge overnight because the charger is too slow and the battery is too big

[@stormrider01]

They won’t release a portless iPhone because how would you recover the software on an iPhone that has a bootloop or has corrupted software or doesn’t turn on properly and stays on the debug mode? You need a computer for it and there is no portless data transfer patent for doing those things.

[@hisname_is_]

What About A Magnetic Port, Similar To The MagSafe On A Mac That Just Clips On With Magnets But Is Flush With The Bottom, It Could Have A Rounded Rectangle (The Size Of The Plastic Part That Holds The Male Lighting Connection On The Cable) To Indícate Where To Connect. They Can Have Whatever USB Connection Built In & Just Magnetically Charge With A Cable For A Faster Charge Compared To MagSafe On iPhone, Also Have The Same Transfer Speeds As USB C Available. It Can Be Called ✨ MagCharge ✨

[@PfropfNo1]

Some people argue that usb-c ports are more fragile, because it’s a male-female port. Lightning is a true female port, which is basically impossible to break. Furthermore, lightning “snaps in” whereas usb-c purely relies on friction for the cable not to slip out. For a device you charge every day and possibly move around while charging, this could damage the port over time or at least causing the cable to slip out unintentionally after some time. I didn’t find statistics about that. Only that usb c is supposed to last 10,000 plug-in and out cycles (probably in laboratory conditions), which would be 30 years on daily charging. Yet “my usb c port is broken” shows much more google results than “my lightning port is broken”.

[@user_anthony]

Well to counter your first point. The context of the question is iphones but the wording itself was is apple moving to usb c. She quoted the law stating all consumers electronics including phones will need type c, but the question didnt straight say “will apple make usb c iphones?” So there’s absolute grey area in that question

[@user_anthony]

I want a usb c iphone, i do believe apple will make one. I don’t believe that apple will settle at making usb c phone. They will make portless ones someday and the question is only how many yrs will usb c stick around for iphones. Im predicting a type c iphone in ‘24 not in 23. And then maybe 2-3 yrs with type c before portless

[@user_anthony]

Also on your point about one cable solution, if the magsafe puck had a type c port then it wouldnt matter. So say apple makes the iphone only charge via type c, if the magsafe puck had a type c port, then ppl could still use any usb c cable to charge a device be it apple or android, just apples wouldnt plug into the body of the phone.

[@willr2461]

I agree with you 😊

[@alecf8636]

I feel like the pro models at least need usb-c with the large video sizes it’s honestly ridiculous that they still use lightning.

[@metalskinn460]

Dude, thank you. I generally agree with everything MKBHD has to say about tech. But his points on his USB-C video rubbed me the wrong way. To the point of "let the engineers figure this out", Apple's insistent on a proprietary port isn't because it's a better technology but because it is more profitable. Also, your last point is spot on. I have earbuds, over the ear headphones, keyboards and a vape that all charge via USB C. If they brought that standard to the iPhone I would actually consider buying one for once.

[@bad_anima]

It's possible/likely that answer they gave in the WSJ interview was intentionally vague. But after it happened and the internet exploded with "OMG IPHONE IS FINALLY GETTING USB-C!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" does Apple really have it in their hearts to either dig their heels in and make us use Lightning for another year, or go portless? The people have been more than clear about what they want. If Apple can be bullied into changing the battery percentage indicator, we should be able to convince them to give the iPhone USB-C

[@MarkAlbertoImage]

I'd like to think this is true. All the music apps require some sort of port in order to output audio without any delay.

[@erikmarez1464]

They’re definitely going to go with one of two options

[@chrisperrywv]

I think IF it goes usb-c that they will add some sort of proprietary standard on top of it, sort of like thunderbolt. And it’s the only way we will get faster data transfers.

[@maeluri]

To be honest MKBHD and Dave2D only said it's a possibility that Apple might go portless in 2024 and gave arguments why it's possible. They didn't confirm portless iPhone.

[@Wokesha]

nobody said they confirmed anything. it’s just challenging their hypothesis

[@baldbutton1983]

I just think going to USB-C makes sense for Apple given that they’ve introduced the ProRAW format for video. Those huge files take forever to transfer to a computer over lightning. Until Apple comes up with a better way to quickly transfer large files, USB-C is the best option. I don’t think portless is a viable option right now.

[@Enzoerb]

I really hope it goes portless, but I don’t think it will

[@jakublizon6375]

Apple could set up lightning cable recycling posts. It would help both Apple and the environment. Bring your lightning cable and get a discount on a USB C cable and adapter.

[@ElderStatesman]

Really wish people could cover the reasons why we professional filmmakers need a USB-C port on an iPhone. Being forced to use a wireless standard to transfer our footage is problematic in more ways than one. Why can't Apple just use Thunderbolt as their replacement for Lightning? They own the copyright to both and can still charge slightly extra for the cables. Just bump the bandwidth to where we don't have to fiddle around with transferring a 4K piece of footage for 10 minutes at a time.