318. Hundred Years' War: A Game of Thrones

[@austinmiller9064]

I love the content you guys put out. Absolutely crazy these videos don't get more views, likes and comments.

[@marxussy]

People are also listening to them on Spotify and other apps

[@samhinchliffe6303]

How could they not mention the Accursed Kings series by Maurice Druon?! Directly inspired A Song of Ice and Fire and covers this entire period in French and English history.

[@tommonk7651]

From across the pond, you guys make great history content! BTW, Dominic, I believe there was an English king for a short time named Louis IIRC.

[@ben.mitchell.theater]

You're right but Louise (sort of) 'reign' was very short lived and he isn't usually counted as a King. Louis was invited in by the Barons who sought to bring King John to heel after he reneged on the Magna Carta of 1215. They needed a strong experienced man of royal blood so they looked to France. Louis was the eldest son of the French King Philip Augustus, but he was also a direct descendant of William the Conqueror and married to King John’s niece, both of which gave him a passable blood claim to the English throne. A delegation of Barons travelled to Paris to offer him the throne, and he accepted. Louis built and equipped a fleet, sailed from France, arrived on English shores on 21 May 1216 and within months he had about two thirds of the nobility and more than half of the country under his control. Louise was proclaimed King but there was no coronation yet. Then disaster struck for Louise. The still legitimate King John died. The Barons changed their mind and installed his nine year old son as King Henry 3rd, with William Marshal (one of the greatest men in English history), as his 'Regent' till the boy came of age. The whole thing was a much better deal for the Barons, and England, so Louis' dad in France refused to send any more money to fight what was now a genuine contested invasion, and attempted occupation. So the whole thing collapsed, a more secure version of the provisions of Magna Carta were agreed. King Louise went home and after his dad died, eventually became King Louis 8th of France.

[@gmk2222]

@@ben.mitchell.theaterwow, that was a longbow

[@robertalpy]

I think an English King with a sense of being French would be less historically informed, not more so. They have not yet realized that the one cannot be the other. Some do... John The Bad...Edward Longshanks...these are the first kings to realize that being King in England is more important than being Duke of Normandy. Maybe John wanted both but he needed only the one.

[@robertcottam8824]

And John ended up with neither… It is fatuous to say that John ‘concentrated’ on being a king of England. He tried his best to keep/regain the lands in France held by his elder brothers, his father and his mother but he just wasn’t much cop. Likewise, Edward I certainly never gave up hope on regaining lands in France. He was simply wise enough to seek to establish hegemony over Britain first. Both John and Edward spoke French, primarily - although the latter was reputedly the first English king since before the conquest to know a bit o’ rudimentary English. Henry IV was the first king to speak English as his language of choice so - arguably - the first ‘English’ king. His son had other ideas… The concept of ‘the nation-state’ did not exist at that stage. Best wishes

[@ben.mitchell.theater]

Homer Simpson calls the 100 years war' - 'Operation Speedy Resolution'

[@showze21]

thanks for making clear that it was a horrible time for the french populace. the french good king jean? made a memorable statement damning the english for their crimes, which bernard cornwell quoted in his trilogy on the war

[@CL-we8tn]

Joan of Arc is in this war too, can't wait to hear. Thank you for a great episode.

[@tropics8407]

Brilliant ! 👊 I am stuck in 🫣

[@bucksolo703]

Have you done any of the war of the roses?

[@cathakjordi]

I love when they say 'if Ukraine had invaded Russia'. Funny how things turn up.

[@JullianRoman]

Can you make some episodes about the history of coronations before the crowing if Charles III?

[@ComedyJakob]

Why did Tom bring up high school football if he knows nothing about it 😅

[@plumbr13]

He seemed like an expert to me. He managed to recall the word "touchdown".

[@Portekberm]

Would be way better filmed..

[@natecanavanar4696]

No, ASOIAF/GOT are more inspired by the Wars of the Roses. Even in the backstory, I don't think there's an equivalent of the 100 years war. The Targaryens don't really venture back east once they have a lock on Westeros. Shameless nitpickery aside, this is a good episode. Thanks for sharing!

[@IreliAmBad]

They never claimed that GoT was inspired by the 100 years war, did they? Regardless, the title would still be an apt summary of the high drama and political turmoil of the war. As well as a comparable state of the technogical and societal advancement of the times.

[@ben.mitchell.theater]

The fictional comparisons with the 100 Years War, and Wars of the Roses mostly arise because of the length of time over which, the real events occurred and the fact they were so personality and family driven. There's no real actual historic comparisons.

[@theskycavedin]

If you know history you know that George R R Martin draws from all of history for his fiction. His work doesn't resemble the War of the Roses at all, that was just an initial inspiration.

[@christophercarrier2902]

It’s not a yes or no, all or nothing question. HRRM also used plenty from the Anglo-Saxon Chronicles and Greek tragedy.

[@waynemcauliffe2362]

You ever down anything of the English in Ireland fellas? The Famine or the uprisings etc.

[@ben.mitchell.theater]

There's a lot more to Irish history than the relatively recent famines and uprisings. Ireland was invaded by Vikings. Later Ireland invaded both Wales and Scotland. Scotland (in the person of Robert the Bruce's brother Edward) subsequently invaded and committed serious genocide in Ireland.

[@chas8965]

Another good episode from a very good podcast. I'm not sure though about your now go to quip in every episode at the end of "and on that bombshell" Seems a little lame tbh

[@marxussy]

It's a joke lol don't get angry

[@robertcottam8824]

Google ‘irony’.