Musk’s Supervillain Era Begins

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[@Dir3ctH3X]

Look at the racism in the comments

[@trytwicelikemice3190]

If I may ask a question here, as I'm not on other social media so will usually miss the question time callout... I'd be interested to hear you guys, Rory particularly, discuss properly the distinctions in the new right. From what I've seen, as a left winger, if Polievre (and I may throw Meloni in the same bucket) were to become the new mainstream conservatism, that seems reasonable... a readjustment of right-wing politics to fit the world we live in, and a good faith opposition to my own views. But Farage, Kickl, Le Pen, Weidel, Wilders and today's mask on Jenrick being normalised as the new mainstream right wing would be horrifying. Is that naivety about Polievre and Meloni on my part, or is there a category difference between them and the more extreme figures?

[@andrewashdown3541]

Ex-Labour man engages in capitalist commercial blandishment

[@olliestudio45]

Why does the ad seem to have a lower resolution / video quality than the main programme? Is that what Fuse came up with? Maybe you should let them know...

[@intelligenceofacertainkind]

I hate these fuse energy ads. I may have been interested in their service but because of these annoying and inappropriate ads I will never use them.

[@mattybob12310]

I'm starting to see why the French resorted to cutting off the heads of all the Rich people when they were starving...

[@theConservativedude]

What ?

[@ushiefreebird7470]

Haha I agree :-)))

[@jayjames7055]

As unequal wealth distribution becomes more extreme only 2 options eventually seem to emerge: 1. Fascism, to maintain the status quo, and 2. communism, to attempt to fully redistribute.

[@chrisburgess2398]

Careful, you might end up in jail for social media posts like that

[@DrJoshman]

You don't need communism to correct extreme wealth inequality! It doesn't have to be so black and white. Democratic socialism is enough: progressive taxation, breaking up monopolies, nationalising public services etc.

[@ushiefreebird7470]

As a born Austrian, raised in South Africa and living now in France for 15 years I cannot believe what is happening. My ex, and father of my kids, comes from an Austrian Jewish family, whose Grandfather died in Auschwitz. When living in SA I sent my son to a Jewish pre school for him never to become a Nazi. I think I succeeded :-) How is it possible for Austrians to vote far right again? I have friends who were socialist and voted FPÖ. I asked why? How is this possible? (the same I find in France btw). THey say this party was the only one protecting their freedom during the Corona years. That was when the problem started. It grew worse with the war in Ukraine. Most Austrians are anti Russian. But they do not want to get involved. So I think the FPÖ saw an open window there in the fear of people which did not get addressed. Still I feel highly embarrassed. My youngest daughter lives in London and has an Indian bf for many years. Both have very good carreers and pay high taxes. Not only am I Austrian, but I also grew up in South Africa (my parents emigrated). Therefore I followed Musk's carreer very carefully from the beginning. I am convinced he is a psychopath without empathy and only loves himself. He treated his exes like birth machines, and then took their children away. He glorrifies his mother, who treats him like God. He lies. He believes people should not grow too old to make place for the young and fresh. Therefore human machines without rights. He gives me the creeps. Yes, now my French me comes through: like someone else said: the French and their guillotine......... People, THE people have to fight back, and they have to do it soon, before we need the guillotine. I want European leaders to stand up against Trump and Musk. These people are highly dangerous and should NEVER come to power.

[@gregorybiestek3431]

The Jan 6 people are considered by the MAGA movement to be the martyrs & victims. MAGA will be using their new internal security powers to seek out arrest, and imprison all those people who have opposed Trump. The gulags will be built in a few months for the immigrants. Think I am exaggerating? Just Google many of the comments & posts made by MAGA leaders about implementing Project 2025.

[@stateofhead5262]

Breaking news: Trump and Musk are in power. Europe is too weak to do anything. Do you take money from Soros to guarantee illegal migration and no rule of law as well? Can I have some?

[@wolcek]

Austrians hope that since they do not see Russia, Russia will not see them. Foolproof plan. And it describes less the plan, and more the proofers.

[@As-qz5lr]

Yawn

[@davetdowell]

I do love socialists who constistently decided and state only their views and positions should be allowed to govern. It demonstrates why every socialist state eventually turns into a police state, where those who refuse to cower are brutalised. Tell us all again about how people you disagree with "should NEVER come to power", and then ponder why people won't vote for your desire for them to live under totalitarian control.

[@josheves6436]

Rory please be honest - this issue isn’t limited to the time covered by the enquiry, there is some evidence it is ongoing since 2013 and in perhaps 50 British towns. Even if you only account for the inquiry in Rotherham 1400 victims were identified. This is not ‘10s’ of men.

[@peepiepo]

His poor understanding of the issue is genuinely shocking. How is he so out of touch?

[@BleakVision]

He doesn't care. 'Wo gehobelt wird, da fallen Späne'. They are just a byproduct for solving Europe's demographic crisis, which, according to him, is also just a conspiracy theory.

[@ellieexplorestheworld4227]

Listening to this would make you think that the grooming has stopped and a thing of the past. As a resident of Bradford with a wife from Blackburn, who both work in the NHS frontline. I can assure you it’s still ongoing and we see its victims regularly. Very frustrating to hear Rory say these crimes were 20 years ago. It wasn’t dealt with at the time or since, and is still my greatest fear as the father of two daughters.

[@emmabanks442]

Did Rory say they were a thing of the past or did he accurately contextualise these particular crimes as a couple decade in the past? It must be very hard witnessing what you witness and great respect to your people for the things you do 🙏🏻

[@ellieexplorestheworld4227]

@ he repeatedly says they are crimes of 10-20 years ago in past tense. Nil acknowledgment of present day occurrences.

[@aarya_ai]

They are just hearing and repeating what they want to hear

[@3rdagers]

Disturbingly Rory's throw-away line allowed for no real discussion of the role 'Tommy Robinson' has played in keeping attention on what is still going on: Musk is correct about the severity of a sentence which also succeeds in keeping Robinson away from the media.

[@softcolly8753]

but, but...far right.

[@maudgerritsen768]

"However, the fact that he says something, does not of itself become news". This is so incredibly important for all news channels to remember, do not just repeat his rhetoric ("Musk says..", "Trump says..."), by making it a headline! Thank you both for making such an important, balanced and informative podcast. It is much needed in these times of polarisation to have two people from different parties communicate the issues as they see them.

[@georgehutley]

I was a conservative voter for 20 years and they really have disgraced themselves. They used to be; to me, the adults in the room. Since Johnson and Truss they have become everything that is awful about politics, and have continued to get worse and worse since then. I don't think I will ever be able to vote for them again and I am sure I am not the only one thinking this.

[@coolbanana165]

They're actively supporting child grapists now

[@gregorybiestek3431]

All of you Europeans seem to forget another person who got popularly voted in, made many statements about what he would do in power, and everyone laughed it off as bluster and foolishness. Then that man went ahead and DID those things he said he was going to do and everyone stumbled about in horror to appease him. 1933 ring any bells?

[@Nkkdxn45j]

Ever is a long time. Just because they've lost their way at the moment doesn't mean they won't find it again. I hope they do.

[@billh2294]

This right wing wave is not conservatism. It's populist conmen that are exploiting the frustration of people who fear the decline in western influence.

[@Tgspartnership]

Like many things, it went to sh1t when the adults discovered "social" media

[@simonobrien8206]

I wish you wouldn’t describe these gangs as ‘Asian’ . I don’t think any of the perpetrators were Chinese,Filipino or Malay origin, why throw them under the bus?

[@clario2178]

They haven’t got the guts to tell the truth

[@Algolxxxxxx]

You can clearly see language being utilised as a weapon by the far right to push a specific narrative. Take, for instance, the reference to "Muslim grooming gangs." Now imagine Latinos involved in grooming gangs in America. Would there be anyone saying "Catholic grooming gangs"?

[@badmanjonthacon]

Cowards

[@zvonomirzuboronovic8662]

I get where you're coming from. In the UK, "Asian" colloquially refers to Pakistanis and Indians, like in America they tend to mean Chinese, Korean or Japanese. However, if this podcast is available globally, then yeah probably a good idea to be more specific.

[@wowthatspeng]

It isn't Indians and Bangladeshis either. It's Pakistani people and they should say so. We say French, German, American etc so why can't they say Pakistani?

[@e5p0sa]

The problem is the grooming gangs are still active and just as many children are still being abused. I'm not far right, I'm center left but working with these girls in a city that hasn't yet had any one charged it needs to be talked about and these systematic failures need to stop.

[@Mirpurmad]

I am a British Muslim , just like you are not far right ( no worries if you were) I am not apologist of British Muslim criminals. I would rather see maximum possible punishment under the British Law on British Muslims to set and example and a learning opportunity for (British Muslims) would be/ potential criminals to refrain from and live a respectable and lawful life acceptable to UK. I was going to start with pointing out the disparity of focus on British Muslims gangs vs bigger portion of white British males who have committed sex crimes against children but then I thought the focus should remain on British Muslims from Pakistan because even once incident is too many and gives the likes of Tommy Robinson the chance to start racial unrest.

[@ppodinskindindu]

If you were centre, you would know that the record of the far right and even the near right on this issue is appalling. You would also know that only the left have ever taken violence against women and girls seriously. You would have noticed that this whole issue is being drummed up by people like Trump, Vance, Jenrick and Yaxley-Lenon, who have medieval attitudes to women and adhere to the alien culture of Confederate-style white supremisism.

[@LeafHuntress]

There was a caller on Sheilagh Foggerty who had been in a children's home in the ~60s & she described how grown WHITE* british men abused the girls in those times. This isn't NEW. There's just been a case of white Dutch men abusing a young teenage boy that was homeless. This isn't exclusively anglo vs pakistani. Where the UK is different is that until now there wasn't a mandatory reporting law. Labour tried to get that trough parliament this week; the tories & refuk voted to nerf it. (one might be led to believe that those tories _want_ to keep to be able to abuse children) *how much do people know about those grooming gangs that weren't asian? hardly talked about in the media...

[@pierzing.glint1sh76]

​​​​​@@LeafHuntressI watched piers Morgan last night and it's incredible how quickly ppl say white gangs/ppl traffickers/gang r*pes are due to the "darkness of the human condition", while pakistani grooming gangs are deemed to be a cultural problem. They obviously forgot about the British cultural problem of Jimmy Saville, the church of England, the Romanian cultural problem of trafficking girls for Webcams, the French cultural problem of gang r*paing your missus (recent news story) ... That's were ppl begin to wonder if the ppl crying about pakistani ppl who did this...are really just a bit racist!! I think we have a legitimate reason to cry racism and "far right thugs" and call out far right media personalities just based on what sex abuse stories ppl focus on and which ones they ignore... There's also an anti Muslim slant to this no matter how much they try to pretend that there isnt...... for example ppl comparing it to Indians or to Africans and say we don't get this in their communities in the UK...but then ignore the untold thousands trafficked for sex abuse in their own countries...countries with a very limited Muslim population. There is clearly a racist and anti Muslim agenda in the media when it comes to this issue and it should be called out, but no one is really talking about this.

[@peteroneill2991]

In 2022 white British were responsible for 83% of child sex abuse and made up 75% of the population. Pakistani were responsible for 2% and were 2% of the population. In 2021 whites were responsible for 89% of child sex abuse and made up 82% of the population. Asians were responsible for 6% and were 9% of the population. Data gov.com Convicted of the rape of a girl under 16. 2011 white 263/ Asian 23, 2012 white 244/ Asian 12, 2013 white 222/ Asian 16, 2014 white 244/ Asian 14, 2015 white 254/ Asian 18, 2016 white 209/Asian 30.

[@rare6499]

What I think a lot of people don’t understand and are very upset about is the fact that these appalling crimes took place over a very long time, by hundreds of people. But there were thousands ‘involved’ who knew about it, who enabled it. Those were supposed to stop it, didn’t, they allowed it to continue out of sheer cowardice. Young girls and children paid the price and NO ONE who allowed this to take place has had to pay any price or come to justice. It’s a disgrace. It’s blatantly clear that the ‘system’ cared more about itself than the victims who were the most vulnerable people in society.

[@shacklock01]

And the last enquiry said all that and laid out how we should fix it....and the tories ignored it. Which seems to be what a lot of other people dont understand or are ignoring for political capital and for further culture war balkanization?

[@rare6499]

@ it laid out a series of recommendations but it didn’t bring anyone to justice that allowed it to take place. And I agree, it’s insane that the previous government didn’t implement the report and it’s outrageous that the current government haven’t seemed to want to either until Musk applied the pressure on them. Because without that I doubt we would be having the conversation.

[@shacklock01]

@@rare6499 Fair point, fair point. Wont ever catch me supporting Sir Kid Starvers fake labour government.

[@SirFragula]

​@@rare6499 You've not been paying attention then, and have fallen for Musk's nonsense. The Labour government have been implementing the recommendations. As per the podcast, all this is only being dredged up again as news, against all the other challenges facing the UK, because one Ket-addicted man-child wants to exploit racial divisions for his own political agenda.

[@RegCostello]

You are a perfect example of the algorithms "maximising engagement" by maximising enragement.

[@GingerDrums]

My friends father is a teacher in the french suburbs. He has always been on the left, but says the muslims are taking control of the schools. The teachers are scared of violence and being fired by muslim parent organisations. The issues are real.

[@cerdic6305]

Maybe this is news to you but France is an entirely different country than the UK.

[@rare6499]

@@cerdic6305 there are blatant parallels. You have to be ignorant to think otherwise.

[@johnricercato740]

@@cerdic6305maybe this is news to you but a British teacher is still in hiding (after several years) for fear of his life, for having ‘offended’ the Muslim community. Don’t you think that makes our teachers scared of Muslim parents and inclined to take the path of least resistance?

[@cerdic6305]

@@rare6499 Immigrants and their families in the UK are far more well-integrated than in France. You have to be ignorant to think otherwise.

[@krob2327]

Rory doesn’t care. He will just move to a whiter area.

[@damienslade]

Rory can barely get the words "British Asian men" out through a grimace and it's still inaccurate. Let's be clear, it's Pakistani men.

[@sismith5427]

Just saying.... most child abuse in this country has been perpetrated by white British men or the supposed moral leaders within the church ...

[@sqrfoot6548]

Correct!! And totally cultural

[@kathrynsmith8871]

Predominately Pakistani peodocriminal gangs?

[@randomhuman2595]

South asian

[@JennyGenricks-yc9di]

Can’t we just say ? It’s men

[@roadrunner1337]

These poor children were not ladies of the night.

[@Kiltoonie]

All ladies of the Night have to start somewhere.

[@shoelessjoe428]

Politically I'm very different from Rory. But I just want to offer my thanks to him for putting forward a rational, thoughtful analysis on a very serious subject, which is actually grounded in facts! Doing something the right now avoid at all costs - talking in real numbers and real world context. These Tories who accelerate themselves towards leadership using cheap dog whistle politics are doing so because they're lightweights and offer no real substance or skillset. Rory is a reminder of the quality which exists on the sidelines of the modern Tory Party in amongst a sea of self-interested attention seekers. I seriously haven't seen Rory's level of intelligence in the Tory Party, since John Major. Your party has been overtaken by showmen and loons. And it's getting worse!

[@damiantow]

Agreed, and when lightweight liars get the reins of power are they likely to deliver against the concerns of their supporters?

[@intelligenceofacertainkind]

Because we are saturated by media a dog whistle is what gets heard. Rory's musings sound nice but no one hears them.

[@billshun3963]

Rory favors idealism over reality he’s going nowhere.

[@williamriordan1619]

Similar to republican party in the United States, the good ones like Romney are being driven out.

[@anonymousonlineuser6543]

What facts or rebuttal did he offer? All he is doing is pearls-clutching and complains of evil that is coming. Irrational and infantile, as expected from a liberal cult-member.

[@emmabanks442]

What I love about Rory Stewart is his perspective and factual knowledge. But mostly he has the ability to step back and see the bigger picture which I find invaluable. His comments reach beyond politics and call to genuine humanitarianism. So glad you’re doing this Rory!!

[@BalrajTakhar-u7u]

He is a prize pillock living in a fantasy world.

[@4ACT]

For Rory to claim this ended in 2013 and was conducted by "tens of people" completely minimises the issue. Within the past 24 hours Jess Phillips has said in an interview to Sky that grooming gangs are "in every single part of our country".

[@joanne0]

What I don’t really understand is why political commentators don’t consider that Islam is seen by voters as a political identity rather than race/religion. When food choices (no pork, alcohol and have specific way of killing animal), finance choices (don’t believe in interest or loans), and choice of clothes (only for women of course) are all dictated by a set of rules, it should be considered a political belief. In addition to that, the rules can be labelled quite hard right as well

[@randomhuman2595]

Would you say the same thing about Judaism then

[@joanne0]

@@randomhuman2595I would if the population widespread enough to be a signifiant force.

[@energyben]

Because the elite political commentators like Campbell are so far removed from the hellhole towns that Oldham, Bradford etc have become, that they are just woefully out of touch. I also suspect that their is some classic British class snobbery mixed in, and they hold the working classes (esp. in the north) in vague contempt

[@jasonthomas6106]

@@randomhuman2595 Is the distance required to travel to extremism shorter in any religion compared to Islam ?

[@weizenobstmusli8232]

Interesting take. Never thought about it that way. Thank you 👍

[@purestilton]

I'm not from the right but I'm afraid to say that Rory and Alastair are not right here. The discussion today is a good example of why people are so disillusioned by the left. The grooming abuses was not satisfactorly resolved. There are many thousands of victims that never had any justice at all. These were children who were repeatedly raped. Many of the recommendations from the enquiries were accepted but never implemented, meaning there are ongoing vulnerabilities. Many of the people convicted received very short sentences. And whilst it is clear most Muslims are good citizens and condemn the grooming gangs, there are problems with integration in some Muslim communities and patriarchal values towards women and attitudes towards non-believers and the west that do not align with British values of gender equality and race equality. There are real problems that are outstanding and many people are uhappy about it, including white working class people from labour heartlands. Look at what happened in Liverpool a couple of months ago., There is a need for a national enquiry, because the systemic failures were national in nature and have not been adequately addressed. I am struggling to see why a national enquiry would stop justice being sought locally.

[@MaxSable-j7g]

Well said. Remember this podcast is more than anything else, a talking-shop - it's a discussion about politics as a form of entertainment, as a consumer good - and it's a huge income for these guys, who aren't subject to any proper regulatory oversight by Ofcom etc - and crucially, are so set in their ways and views, it's questionable as to how much they really care. Rory and Alistair themselves are so remote from the experiences and opinions of ordinary working class communities and it's exactly what you say, while a large proportion of Muslims in the UK absolutely can and do assimilate into British life, there has been a genuine malignancy in certain sections of the Pakistani community in working class towns and cities across the country, which has been allowed to fester - precisely because people like Rory cannot even say 'Pakistani' without wincing - it's just too unseemly and too ugly for them, too risky, to even go there - have the dignity of an adult conversation. A level of bile and sneery contempt however always seems available for 'The Far Right' (whoever that is in the UK) but we never have those serious cultural conversations about Islamist/anti-Western ideas, which all evidence (so far) suggests are intimately tied-up with this rape/hate scandal. The victims have spoken about the links to heroin (which is largely controlled by Pakistani OCG's, especially in the North of England), the extremist abuse levelled at them, the racially/religiously aggravated element and we know from surveys that there is a serious problem with antisemitism, which has never been worse. I really detest these craven mentions, anytime there is even a discussion about extremist ideology, 'The Far Right' has to come up. I campaigned against the National Front, the BNP - I don't see much of that race-based hate on the right these days - the radical left and Islamists though - it's really inundated and pretty awful things have even been suggested or alluded to on this podcast.

[@philbrainy2399]

OF COURSE CAMPBELL IS NOT RIGHT. HE IS A WAR CRIMINAL

[@farty81]

100%

[@farty81]

@@MaxSable-j7g it's the utter callous disregard people with the attitudes of Rory and Alastair have for white working class communities that I find unfathomable. These people have had THOUSANDS of their daughters raped with impunity on an industrial scale for years. And Tommy Robinson is the big problem here?! Really? If he's the most extreme public figure to have developed from this catastrophe then what it shows is just how incredibly reasonable we are as a people. There is a direct line from the totally justifiable FURY in these communities to the riots after Southport. How can supposed political analysts not join the dots?!

[@timbushell8640]

Any more than the grooming by white school teachers or TV personalities or white politicians...

[@elkpaz560]

The gangs did not pay the girls for sex. The girls were gang raped, drugged, tortured and passed around. The idea of any element of prostitution on the part of the girls is disgusting, and misinformed. Perhaps this is just another example of Rory getting it wrong because of his excess of 'optimism.'

[@LeafHuntress]

They WERE paid, either in money or goods, after they were groomed into 'service'. That was part of the problem. The police described these minors as underage prostitutes that "made a life-style choice." The CPS at that time didn't dare to prosecute because the girls were deemed unreliable witnesses. They went back to their abusers, who they thought were their boyfriends. That doesn't play well in a jury-based system where the defence lawyers can tear them to shreds during cross-examination. The jurors in their cosy life have NO idea what those victims had to deal with & don't believe them. That's the whole POINT; they weren't believed. Keir Starmer DID believe them! As DPP he actually CHANGED the rules of the CPS so that the perps could be prosecuted. He's a freaking actual real-life hero in this story. Musksmells has no fecking CLUE who he's dealing with.

[@Ibluntlysaywhatithink]

@@LeafHuntress So Keir Starmer is a Superhero now? 😂 Give me a break! 🤣 More likely he’s got something to hide because he doesn’t want a public Inquiry into the Muslim Grooming gangs. The fact that he doesn’t want any Inquiries makes me wonder what has he got to hide? 🤔

[@alfiem2048]

@@Ibluntlysaywhatithinkyou can’t believe Starmer did something right because rather than think for yourself you’re having it constantly shoved down your throat that he is the living embodiment of the antichrist. Literally use your own brain and look at the case!! Look at what he actually did as DPP and come to a decision all by yourself. I guarantee all you’ve done is rather than research and come to your own conclusions you’ve heard someone say “Starmer bad” and applied it to everything he’s ever done. And also it doesn’t take many grey cells to realise that another inquiry delays people that need action and protection in this country right now, as this stuff is still be going on. We need real legislation, not years more delays. They could save lives from being ruined by putting in protections today, as long as they don’t delay it any further. You think Musk cares about those lives that are being ruined as we speak? No, it would suit his anti-immigrant stance to let this abuse continue so he can use it as fuel to demonise immigrants even more. It’s really not hard if you engage your brain. Think for yourself for once!

[@Hiphopoptimus-GG]

@@Ibluntlysaywhatithink Whats the point of an inquiry when no action was taken after the last one

[@Ibluntlysaywhatithink]

@ It’s true that an inquiry wouldn’t be so independent if it was heavily influenced by the Government, making it a whitewash, but it might at least be uncomfortable for Starmer for awhile and make him sweat a little 🤷‍♂️ An independent inquiry by journalists is what we really need to scrutinise the Government, the Police and other people in authority who tried to keep news of these grooming gangs quiet 🤫

[@clintwalker3697]

They were not ‘Asian gangs’ - they were solely Pakistani born men. There are many races in Asia, please let’s stick to facts. This is sickening and was covered up for years - if you two can’t see the gravity of this YOU are the problem…. And you will understand this when the next vote sees Farage gain hugely. This is not racism , it’s others ignoring facts .

[@fatfreelondon]

...however, the "cover up" ended while Kier Starmer was DPP, who issued new instructions to prosecutors & police. It ended in many convictions. Kemi Badenoch didn't mention it once whilst she was Children's Minister. Multiple enquiries have already taken place, however neither the current or former Conservative govt has implemented the recommendations in full.

[@sheriff_bart]

This is racism. Nobody has linked Jimmy Saville to all English people. Nor were all catholics tainted with crimes committed then. This was a criminal act and should be punished to the full extent of the law. And as I understand they largely have been. Jenrick, Farage, Musk et al are gas lighting the rest of us. They are the arsonist who are standing back and watching the world burn.

[@paulcarter4945]

well said

[@EdwardLindon]

Someone needs to revise their set theory: "All Alsatians are dogs" therefore "All packs of Alsatians are packs of dogs".

[@CurtOntheRadio]

There aren't any "races" in Asia (or anywhere else).

[@DaboooogA]

This podcast is great because it shows how detached from ordinary life people can be.

[@markmasterson4811]

Not sure what point you are trying to make with your comment. Clearly you are way too subtle a thinker for this ordinary person, and yet I can follow these guys lucidly.

[@paulinequinton1478]

@@markmasterson4811 I think he believes that 'ordinary people' think and feel the same way he does. The idea of the 'silent majority'. No need for elections; just see what the Daily Mail says.

[@DavidThomas-gm7gu]

OK, in-depth current affairs, not your thing, buddy,whatever.

[@rachelhardy71]

100% but these people make decisions that influence everything else... billionaire or politician. if you are in that sort of power dynamic then its good to get analysis of them.

[@Subcomandante73]

Tariff is the most beautiful word in the english language. 1000% tariff on Tesla. 2000% tariff on X. Surely he will support this :)

[@fanthony]

Why don’t you try this? The UK’s economy will be decimated in 2 months

[@girthbloodstool339]

That's what I've been saying about Canada's response!

[@UNICORN69HO]

Thats one way to hurt our own exports yes 🤦‍♀️

[@pjeremilysnowprendi2484]

Two tier kier is a cuck , the only ones that he can be tough with are the poor Brits! 😂😂😂

[@StevenGoundry]

Are you a advisor to Rachel reeves 😂

[@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t]

He has the same core problem that a lot of rich people tend to have. They're surrounded by people who would never tell them "no" - for a variety of reasons - and seems to have lost the ability to consider that the first thought that pops into his mind might just be stupid as hell, because his gaggle of yes-men have never called him on it.

[@crabapples1995]

Are you talking about Rory or the war criminal?

[@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t]

@@crabapples1995 I'm talking about your mum.

[@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere]

he's talking about Musk. There was a story about a decade ago, in which for once he was told no by his most loyal employee. She was basically his second in command and ran the day to day whilst Musk indulged in different pursuits. At one point she said its too much, she pushed back on all the work he was forcing on her. He told her to take two weeks off. The story is supposed to be he reflected on it and worked to a resolution. Sadly, the reality was that he's such an egotistical tosser he basically sacked her and said he'll do all the work himself instead, cutting off his nose to spite his weird, saggy face. That's the sort of ruthless knob end he is.

[@pontefractcake]

I was appalled (but possibly not surprised) that the likes of Liz Truss & Robert Jenrick are supporting Musk.

[@jacquelineleitch7050]

Musk is actually quite transparent. After spending a few months with Trump he has decided that he wants his own country like Trump so he’s going to work on Britain which owes him stuff. He’s riding his Dad’s issues from guaranteed apartheid to telling England what is real. Lol

[@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere]

I was amused (but not surprised) that Truss recently threatened legal action against the allegation that she crashed the economy. The net result being that she basically just brought the topic back into public consciousness and reminded us all again what a terrible wet lettuce she really is

[@haymanhughes1121]

"British Asian men"? It's not Asian, it's specifically Pakistani. Your inaccuracy belies your cognative dissonance on this matter as you simply can't connect cultural variables to the crimes.

[@gringotom242]

In the UK 'Asian' is the word commonly used to describe Pakistani/Indian people as well as far eastern people. It is confusing though.

[@RandomWandrer]

​@gringotom242 Even in Britain, "Asian" is too wide of a net. Even "Asian muslim" is too wide a net. I've never seen Malaysian Muslims in the news for... Well anything. More than half of all humans are Asian 😅 Just saying

[@jonathangammond3019]

Rory is making lazy comments. UK Govt bodies like to group people under the word 'Asian', but it is historical and cultural nonsense.

[@norwegianzound]

Its very popular behaviour in India. Makes World news when it happens.

[@rickfucci4512]

Funny listening to a wide range of opining. These two are building a story by cherry picking and slanting opinions like drinking bowling pins so they can slowly, deliberately knock them down with another sliterhing opinion.

[@justinemukhopadia6022]

At the same time that these cases came out, my brother was stopped on his way from the pub going home, beaten up and searched by 2 Asian lads. I asked him to report it to the police. The police were first concerned in ascertaining if he was a racist. He told them he had 4 nephews and nieces who were half Indian. Only then did they take his complaint seriously. All this despite a badly brused face.

[@chrisburgess2398]

It’s not just Rotherham and Rochdale, it started being about Oldham, and it’s happened in 50 towns across the country, including Oxford and Luton.

[@MightySheep]

Aylesbury, Derby, Huddersfield, Peterborough, Greater Manchester, Oxford, Newcastle, Telford, Bristol, Banbury, Halifax, Keighley, Rotherham and Rochdale. Type any of these followed by "child sex ring" into google. Those are just the ones we know about...

[@hybridalienrob]

The point is, it's still going on so doing another enquiry now would delay any action. What happened to all those poor unaccompanied assulum seeking kids that went missing from hotels on bravermans watch? Nothing was done.

[@deasybamford1833]

its across the planet and its a reflection of male violence against women . Unless we speak out about that nothing will change . Think Sundan, think the Russians as they advanced at the end of ww2 , think the dark web stuffed with hard core abuse , think Andrew tate , Donald Trump and Elon Musk

[@ekesandras1481]

it happens all across Europe. In Austria some "underaged" Middle Eastern asylum seekers, that got an apparment financed by the city of Vienna plus generous pocket money, lured a 12 year old girl into their appartment, drugged her, raped her and when she passed out from the overdose, they dumped her dead body in a carpet just outside of the house. They didn't even bother to hide it, because they felt they didn't do anything wrong. Because that's the way things are done in Afghanistan or Pakistan, where they come from. In their view it was the girl's fault.

[@BalrajTakhar-u7u]

It's not 50 towns it's anywhere this community goes. This is now going on in Ireland. And the authorities there are trying to sweep it under the carpet.

[@lawlessheart9810]

I can’t get my head around how ppl like Badenoch, Braverman, Patel, Cleverly, et al, can double down on Jenryck’s racist rhetoric. Is it their intention to deport themselves??

[@farty81]

I don't think you understand what integration means.

[@garycheung5135]

@@farty81 I don't think you understand a joke

[@tcc300892]

Regardless of the "great replacement" conspiracy, fundamentally this is a demographic fact. "Muhammad" was the most popular newborn boys name this past year in the UK. It's so easy for people like you to stigmatise criticism of mass migration and "multiculturism" - you are from a socioeconomic strata least likely to be negatively affected by it.

[@tcc300892]

And, for your record, I'm a centre-left son of an immigrant myself. You wouldn't want to raise a daughter in the London neighborhoods where I grew up - this is not because they're too white and middle class.

[@MeatloafProductionz]

1. Muhammad 2. Noah 3. Theo 4. Leo 5. Oliver 6. Arthur 7. George 8. Luca 9. Freddie 10. Jack 11. Ethan 12. Charlie 13. Henry 14. Oscar 15. Archie 16. Jude 17. Alfie 18. Luca 19. Liam 20. Elijah

[@garycheung5135]

If you go back a few centuries Christian names in Christian countries were dominated by the names of the major apostles. Were this still the case, John and Paul and Mary would outnumber Muhammed by many times. Muslim names in general have little diversity and Muhammed or variant spellings is overwhelmingly popular, which, together with the ever increasing diversity in different first names in non Muslim families, is why it tops the list (the slightly higher birth rate in Muslim families is also a factor but less so). I used to work in a Blood Transfusion laboratory in Whitechapel, which had very large Bangladeshi and Somali communities. About a third of the surnames for women presenting at ante natal clinics was "Begum" because this just means "married woman". Record keeping was made even more difficult because dates of birth were often given as something like "1-Jan-1974". This was because some Muslim communities do not particularly value the concept of a birth day, so many women (and men) only knew their age. We therefore had maybe one or two thousand people on the database matching Rukiya Begum and probably 4 or 5 matching Rukiya Begum 1-Jan-1974. This was important because misidentifying a patient and giving them blood of the wrong group is harmful and can be fatal. The East End is littered with the traces of successive waves of immigration. I was fitted for my wedding suit in a Brick Lane tailor's loft that had been occupied by tailors of Dutch, French Hugenot, Jewish, Chinese, Indian, Bangladeshi and Turkish origin. Most of these immigrant communities had high birth rates in the first 2 generations (as did pretty much everyone until the mid 20th Century). Fertility decreases in the 3rd and 4th generation of immigrant families as they assimilate and have the same calculations about income and cost of living as the rest of the population, however. Rory and Alistair make an interesting point about the effect of Brexit on immigration. As an NHS worker, I saw large numbers of doctors, nurses and other healthcare workers of European nationality leave the UK shortly before or just after Brexit and I can tell you that, because we are still not training and retaining anywhere near enough doctors and nurses (and other workers) within the UK, the slack has been taken up by immigrants from outside the EU. Indian doctors and Philippine nurses being the largest groups. I'm not worried about this from a cultural point of view because, if you look at previous immigrant NHS workers, they have all integrated well, worked very hard, usually in long careers and have played major roles in the improvement of services.

[@mrphgil974]

Maybe the issue is that 4 decades of neoliberal policies have failed. Most people are poorer, the future is not brighter, wages have been driven down through the destruction of workers rights, immigration or offshoring weaponised by businesses, outsourcing leaving governments in debt to the same people profiting from the spending those governments borrowed to fund. The future has been stolen by the greedy few. The far right can see that people know this, and use it. They don’t have any solutions that will actually help people, but they can see the opportunity.

[@alexander-c2z]

they are discriminating against these girls because they are ' working class ' .

[@Joe-ij6of]

No… if you choose to separate your public politics from your personal religious beliefs, all religions are neither left nor right. If you choose to govern based primarily on religious doctrine, all religions are far right. Mosaic law is not any cuddlier than sharia law, and there’s plenty of bible thumpers in the US who take that crap very seriously. Ironically, the most socialist sounding religious figure is Jesus, whose message in the New Testament gets the least attention politically. One of many reasons I don’t take religious conservatism seriously.

[@pjpredhomme7699]

you are correct - just strictly from a marketing PR view - if religion leaned inherently one way or another - it would not be sustainable over time. Take it from Michael Jordan who says republicans buy shoes too

[@martavdz4972]

Agreed. Even when a religion preaches solidarity, it doesn't tell you whether to achieve that via state welfare or support of small local businesses. It's not what religions are about.

[@garycheung5135]

I'm an atheist but I'm not sure members of say Welsh mining communities who attend chapels would call themselves (or the councillors or MPs they elect) far right.

[@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere]

​@@martavdz4972 "religions are about the notion that I'm right and you're wrong. At best we can learn to get on together and at worst I'll lead a crusade against you", David Mitchell

[@gordonshrubb7155]

Such a working class issue. The posh being forced to talk about it so sad.

[@Bromley86z]

Utter misrepresentation of the situation by Rory which either disqualifies him from commenting based on lack of knowledge, or disqualifies him from commenting because he's pushing the same narrative that meant this issue was ignored for so long.

[@phileliot6034]

If the girls abused had been from upper middle class to upper classes immediate action would have been taken. Abuse has/is going on across 50+ towns in our country. Yes action now and a national enquiry in parallel.

[@Xerus35]

The upper classes love to groom.

[@CurtOntheRadio]

One sickening irony of this is the folks making the biggest deal about it right now are ones that would prefer cutting social services - the only institutions interested in these girls' welfare. Go on, tell me you want to pay more taxes so that we can better look after vulnerable children?

[@Xerus35]

@@CurtOntheRadio We could've have spent 6 billion on helping those victims this year instead of looking at illegals in hotels.

[@cerdic6305]

Are all of you just incapable of using your own brains and looking things up? There has already been a national enquiry and it gave a big list of recommendations, which the Conservative government effectively ignored entirely. Another enquiry will help nobody, least of all the actual victims.

[@LeafHuntress]

You CANNOT have an inquiry & action at the same time, it is literally impossible. READ the text of the tory amendment, they tried to nerf the action for "freedom for schools." They don't care about these poor girls, they want to stop mandatory reporting.

[@TheYorkshirePhotographer]

The Tommy Robinson angle on the grooming/r*pe gangs story is largely a distraction that will prevent us from actually thinking critically about the causes of this most heinous of crimes. It’s much easier mentally to come away from hearing this story in the media primarily feeling “my god he’s an unsavoury character with some extreme views” than asking yourself “what if this happened in my town to my child?” Douglas Murray puts it well “Let’s leap at one of the people who has responded to this and say they did it wrong, and then we can keep on not addressing the question. I think this is a uniquely British vice.”

[@peteroneill2991]

In 2022 white British were responsible for 83% of child sex abuse and made up 75% of the population. Pakistani were responsible for 2% and were 2% of the population. In 2021 whites were responsible for 89% of child sex abuse and made up 82% of the population. Asians were responsible for 6% and were 9% of the population. Data gov.com Convicted of the rape of a girl under 16. 2011 white 263/ Asian 23, 2012 white 244/ Asian 12, 2013 white 222/ Asian 16, 2014 white 244/ Asian 14, 2015 white 254/ Asian 18, 2016 white 209/Asian 30.

[@philjameson292]

Can you imagine what he is like as a boss if you are working for Tesla or SpaceX etc? He wants people to have more kids to stop population decline yet he has stated that if Tesla employees aren't working 100 hours a week then you aren't working hard enough. How do you find time to raise a family when you are working like this?

[@jacquelineleitch7050]

He doesn’t pay them what they could be paid if they transferred their skills and yet they stay. I think that they feel taken care of and he kind of rides them to not feel able or wanting to go do something else. It’s kind of like a cult.

[@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere]

didn't he sack someone not long ago for failing to respond to an email in which he'd demanded an entire team/department to reply to his email with some cringey phrase like "hell yeah"... the one person that didn't do it got sacked for not having a "can-do attitude" or something. He's an absolute shit bag.

[@Tizzy-s9g]

Farage has been promoted on all UK mainstream media for many years, the toadying of interviewers is nauseating to watch. Shows how far having a big mouth, and the attitude of a dodgy second hand car dealer gets you in todays broken society.

[@Xerus35]

Have you ever thought people are sick to death of immigration and all the problems it's caused. If you think All the problems are Farage then you understand nothing. The reason Farage is popular is because he is the only one with the guts to talk about the problems. If Farage dies tomorrow there are plenty that will take his place as a voice for white british who are ignored by left wing politicians. The problem is not going to go away no matter how much you try to silence it.

[@davetdowell]

> ... gets you in todays broken society. And whos been running that society since 1979... oh yeah the political left... like our two hosts... and now suddenly they know what is wrong with it and how to fix it! And you're all lapping it up.

[@BalrajTakhar-u7u]

Maybe actually listening to the concerns of the majority also helps rather than with these two toads pretending serious issues are not occurring.

[@FigmentHF]

With regards to "why is Elon like this now?" I'd say one ignored aspect is simple, petty spitefulness. We often under estimate just how much online hatred can mould us, and Elon gets a lot of hatred, and often from a particular demographic- more progressive left leaning people. And so i think part of his motivation, is to help forge a world that his enemies despise, simply because he can. He's a very petty, emotionally immature boy. I also think the reason he wants to go to Mars, is so he can be the first God Emperor King of another planet, declare war on Earth, and die an Intergalactic Space Pirate, like in a Dune novel, and I'm only slightly joking, aha.

[@SpudNickleson-im7is]

That doesn't really make sense, he was broadly liked and quite popular among progressive left leaning people prior to shifting to the extreme right and outing himself as a hateful racist and a danger to society. He used to just be known as the guy who promoted electric cars before he went off the rails.

[@MrThebigcheese75]

The pedo guy things shone a light on Musk a few years back, and then he doubles down with childish insults to anything against him, like calling Mastadon Masurbatedon etc. I mean that's stuff we'd reprimand children for at school. Some people are easily led by Social Media and new outlets, it's not all that far away from the propaganda in 1930's Germany in reality. Just more varied media. He used the Pedo insult again very recently I believe.

[@linadina1966]

He's calling for action over thousands of kids getting molested and nothing is done about it. How crazy is that....

[@jennifermackinnon6982]

Why does Alistair Campbell think it's odd that there are three people possibly running for prime minister of Canada who have French names does he not know that Canada is a bilingual country. Unbelievable to see such ignorance from an other wise very smart man.

[@Bailey_iQ]

It’s unbelievable. One of the first thing’s to learn about Canadian politics. And what does that suggest about all his other “points”?

[@rowansargeant151]

Poilievre handsome? 😂😂 Poilievre is a lying liar who excretes 3 word slogans incessantly. I can't imagine him sitting at the adult's table on the world stage. He's not a serious person, much less a serious politician.

[@franceslothian1319]

A police woman came to the school I work at to talk about grooming. It's part of the safeguarding training that as teachers we have to do. She said that the police were telling the media during the whole Rotherham issue that it's not just Pakistani men doing this. There are white men doing the exact same thing. But no one in the media was interested.

[@Connor_JR]

That's bollocks. The Rotheram scandal was such big news because the official report stated that the police felt worried about going after the gangs because the victims were white girls and the perpetrators were ethnically pakistani. It concluded that the force was more worried about seeming racist than it was about 2,000+ vulnerable girls being abused. Nobody is saying that white people cannot/do not commit these crimes, but this was a completely different dynamic than had been seen before. It was systematic abuse, with collaboration between large groups of people, with a clear modus operandi, and specific victim target demographic and it was swept under the carpet because it was politically inconvenient to tackle.

[@PawesomeCatVideo]

Xactly, a quick google search will reveal plenty of white pedos or grooming gangs in UK...why is this not talked about? Cuz racism !

[@LordMagiru]

The white don't do the exact same thing though. I don't think a single white man would be able to ring up his brothers, cousins, uncles, nephews, father and grandfather to ask them if they would be interested in raping a 12 year old and they would all be likely to accept.

[@davetdowell]

How many more of the political left are going to try to equate the native sexual abuse problem with the deliberately and knowingly imported sexual abuse problem. Are you all really unable to see the difference between deliberately making the problem worse by importing more of it and having a native problem that you deal with badly as well?

[@KathysFlog]

I worked with a young lady who was groomed by her white grandfather and passed around to his friends. Not all groomers are Pakistani. ALL groomers are men. (correct me if you know of women grroming gangs).

[@michaelward-jackson6703]

The issues are simply not being addressed by these two. Their talk relies on people continuing to be affected by this labelling with ' Far Right ' and the setting up of bogeymen..

[@KBP98]

Canadian here. Carney is a technocrat who has never run for political office. He has actually been Trudeau's economic advisor and will have to distance himself from Trudeau's record. Poilievre has some populist aura but is actually a career politician, having been elected to the Commons at 25. He also served in Stephen Harper's cabinet. Poilievre has been ramping up his attack on Carney in the last few months in anticipation of his leadership bid. Whoever takes over the Liberal party will have a hard time, as they might even finish 3rd in the next election.

[@garycheung5135]

As a Brit, I have to tell you that the UK is the proud owner of the 51st state title. Please stop trying to encroach.

[@davidblack6413]

As a Canadian and a frequent listener of The Rest is Politics (UK and US), I've really enjoyed the attention to Canada here. I'm with Alastair and Rory in thinking Poilievre's 25 point-lead is too great to overcome. Current projections here have the Conservatives winning a majority in a landslide, earning 236 seats in a 338-seat Parliament. And that's in a 5-party Parliament. The regional and separatist party, the Bloc Quebecois, are projected to be the official opposition. But at least with Trudeau's resignation -- better late than never, though I appreciate some of the real achievements of his 10 years in office -- the Liberals can limit the damage. Carney is their best option as leader, but you're both right in suggesting that the Conservatives will, as they did with Ignatieff in 2011, define him as a cosmopolitan and a globalist. The Conservatives have already tested a slogan: "Just like Justin," to tar the new Liberal leader who emerges after their leadership race. We are about to have our own reckoning with populism, but I've a slim hope that Poilievre -- who has spent his entire adult life as an MP, and is thus the very definition of a political insider -- will govern as a conservative, not a populist.

[@mat3714]

I really hope you're righy but he introduced dangerous precedents in our political discours and I'm afraid the Z's ( who are much more political ) are too few in numbers to block potential derive.... P.S. he passed positive transformative legislation and history will be much kinder on him than it's contemporaries.

[@markanderson3172]

Neither Al or Rory mentioned the Carbon Tax which is a reason why Canadians are so angry with Trudeau, they also don't understand that their good friend Carney is a supporter of the tax.

[@mat3714]

@markanderson3172 It has nothing to do with the carbon tax. It's the same bs as everywhere, finger pointing. Immigration is the reason for brexit, trump, lepen, pp, farage and all the others. Housing, infrastructures, healthcare, inflation etc etc etc. The right is exploiting our most basics reactions to blame compounded issues that took decades to show symptoms and one big mess to accelerate everything on the proverbial "others". It's anecdotal but all i hear when i go back to my hometown is how the 20ish new immigrants are making their house more expensive and their hospital overcrowded. Talk to people for 5 minutes about politics and it almost always comes down to that.

[@gregorybiestek3431]

@@markanderson3172 As an American every thing I hear is not good. What people in Europe tend to forget is that Pierre Poilievre, who will become PM, is a right-winger who promised several things. Poilievre opposes vaccines, will repeal carbon taxes and fuel standards, legalize discrimination against LGBT people, attacks “certain” immigrant groups, and openly supports nationalist & populist polices. Poilievre has been reported to a supporter of Alberta's movement to become part of the USA. Poilievre may not be an authoritarian, but he certainly has no problem working with the likes of Trump. Looks like the 21st century version of history’s Quisling.

[@MihaiRUdeRO]

@@gregorybiestek3431 None of that is true about Poilievre, it's all fear-mongering. He's been an MP forever, he'll govern like Harper. He didn't get into politics on the back of a populist uprising he's very much part of the establishment

[@JuzzaDaMuzza]

Notice how at 9:30 they discuss Elon’s use of the platform to turn on Farrage. Isn’t that what the British Institutions, Press, Police, Courts, Legislative Chambers have been doing against anyone perceived as ‘Islamaphobic’? What does that word even mean? 1984 lives

[@nicholasmitchell8749]

I recently watched a restored 2.5 hr interview of Marie-Louise von Franz, C. Jungs student, recorded in 1977. She explained the issues that arose when Eastern germans flocked to West Germany, when the iron curtain was established. They became rootless, in that they did not integrate into pre existing communities. Mass migration is not the issue. Non integration is. She was swiss, and lived through 2 world wars from a safe distance. If anyone has the best view in terms of far right mass psychosis, it is surely someone like her. Reflection being the counter part to bigoted projections.

[@Stone_Pony_67]

I'm no fan of Tommy Robinson, but can someone explain to me why it's necessary to point out that his real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon every time he's mentioned? The Guardian does this without fail - presumably as a matter of policy - and AC does it right at the start of this video. I'm not sure whether Robinson's actually changed his name legally, but everyone knows him by that name. You don't see people talking about "Michael Caine, whose real name is Maurice Micklewhite", do you?

[@atouchofgreatness]

His real name sounds a bit thuggish, so they probably pull it out to make him sound even worse

[@damiantow]

​@@atouchofgreatnessTommy Robinson is his stage name, a bit like Aladdin Sane

[@MidLoafCrisis]

Because people should be reminded when a dangerous bell end tries to constantly rebrand himself as a working class British hero

[@Stone_Pony_67]

@MidLoafCrisis That doesn't really answer the question. He may well be, as you say, a bellend; but he's not adopting a working class persona: he's actually working class. What I've never understood is why, out of all the people who have adopted names other than the one they were born with, it's apparently SO important that we never forget his.

[@mattgreen5720]

Is it his legal name?

[@Subcomandante73]

Turns out you don't need a time machine to travel back to the 1930's.

[@mrspoon6742]

Actually it's the 1920s. Anything goes.

[@seanthomas5303]

Hundreds of thousands of people with medieval attitudes towards women? I wasn't aware so many US Republicans had moved to Britain.

[@Connor_JR]

Classic delusional American comment to try to make something unrelated about them instead. It just goes to show your lack of understanding of the problem that Europe has with integration and just how extreme a large number of Islamists' opinions are. More British muslims have joined ISIS in the last 15 years than have joined the British military. More than 50% of UK muslims think that homosexuals should be put in prison. Some crazy % believe honour killings of women are justified. The UK is now one of (some studies say the number 1) country for acid attacks against women. You belittle very real issues that liberals should care about by making flippant comments that equate "many US Republicans" to this sort of thing.

[@MaxSable-j7g]

Glad you're having fun, read some of the testimonies.

[@awf6554]

Have these 2 considered ackowledging that people might have legitimate concerns about cultural changes in their countries brought about through immigration? Musk and the far right racist parties get traction through those concerns, but they're symptoms of an issue that traditional parties are intent on ignoring. Which only exacerbates the problem.

[@stetomlinson3146]

Sorry, but you CAN ignore Musk. Get off his social media site and don't react to whatever he says. Ignore him completely. Exactly like you would with a half drunk loudmouth in the pub! We give these people far too much credit for what they come up with. Don't comment, don't react. Simple.

[@patgentry7268]

Excellent, excellent episode. Should be required for Americans, as well as Europeans! As an aging liberally-educated, world-travelled citizen, I find it depressing that nations seem to be losing their focus on making the best out of the current situation, and seem unable to grasp that Earth is one boat, on one sea and we all have the responsibility to keep it afloat.

[@martavdz4972]

Agreed. Especially with globalization, when Europe feels every drought in Africa (immigration), the Middle East feels any disturbance in grain production in Ukraine, Madagascar feels every change in market preferences in North America (fewer manufacturing jobs) etc. etc....

[@Hexanitrobenzene]

If every person was as wise as Carl Sagan... The Pale Blue Dot.

[@Hexanitrobenzene]

You might find Nate Hagens' channel interesting.

[@patgentry7268]

@@Hexanitrobenzene I do! But, we have a problem that the vast majority of humanity are not involved in debate, or even contemplation, of the disaster confronting mankind. Many just want cheap gas for a big pickup they hope to get soon...

[@joshs3066]

I am actually very disappointed in both of you. Admitting there is a problem here in our country is the first step to fixing the problem. I don’t support reform or the EDL - but you have to admit that the UK and Europe have a clear problem with immigration and integration. Small amounts of immigration are fine. High skilled workers? Yes please. Those that respect and love British values (Shoutout to Hong Kongers), yes yes yes 👏 Low skilled migrants who hate who we are, our history, our values and our way of life? That keep wages low and social progression slow? No, we don’t want that. It doesn’t matter what part of the political spectrum you are on, it is bad. Even the extreme left should understand that if you want a diverse society you need the resources to integrate those people, mass-migration does not work and certainly not in the UK, the failed experiment none of us voted for needs to come to an end. Nobody here has called for some kind of nonsensical culling of people with a tiny bit of melanin in their skin. People want politicians to say things how they are and fix the problem. That doesn’t mean voting in a maniac or doing something wild; but it does mean making change. The fact you keep referring to any critique of mass migration or replacement theory as 'far-right' is actually incredibly worrying. This is not an extremist view point to take, as a centrist I want immigration to benefit the country and the person migrating here.

[@lizporter4700]

Sorry I think your points have validity in some ways but you are missing the point of how quickly social cultural forces can deteriorate into horrific policies and activities. People aren’t able to make distinctions about who is ‘beneficial’ and who is not when the rhetoric is so ‘angry’.

[@joshs3066]

@ I think you’re making a giant leap here. Saying ‘there isn’t a problem, there isn’t a problem, you’re all just racist’ radicalises these people and creates exactly what you’re saying you’re afraid of. Saying: ‘there’s a problem, let’s sit down and work out a reasonable compromise/solution’ doesn’t lead to horrific policies, in fact it does the opposite. Shutting these people down who are making a valid argument (despite a minority of them being actual racists and using this to play their game) and just labelling them all ‘far-right’ needs to stop, creating more division and pushing them deeper into those holes where they can be radicalised and weaponised by the far-right.

[@aarya_ai]

💯. Australia is one of the few developed countries that seems to have got its immigration policy right, and not allowed its legal system to be hijacked by left wing activists who promote a free-for-all, without any thought for the impact on the existing population

[@joshs3066]

@ agree entirely, the Australians did a decent job.

[@garycheung5135]

I'm sooo glad you don't hate the Chinese side of my family (I think the Yorkshire side were Viking & German immigrants). From which countries would you be prepared to accept those immigrants we need for low paid jobs in (say) the NHS, social care & retail?

[@VaucluseVanguard]

I was listening to Stephen Fry recently - a self proclaimed leftie. He is very concerned about the rise of the far-right across the western democracies, but he laid the blame with the left for overreach and not tackling issues like the rape gangs.

[@willrelf1377]

Because he’s a grifter who’s taking the Russell Brand route (and for similar reasons…)

[@1Thedairy]

He blamed the lefties because of their political correctness which implied that anyone who was concerned about the gang rapes should not make reference to the fact that they were of Pakistani origin as it was racist. People aren’t buying that any more. It is suppressing free speech. That’s what he was opposed to.

[@ChrisR-xs9wp]

Overreach? You think the fact that Musk is able to but elections outright and bully politicians in the other side of the world is because of "leftist overreach"?

[@BalrajTakhar-u7u]

@@willrelf1377 Because he look's at reality & doesn't live in some mythical idealized utopia like Rory the gnome.

[@G0ldfingers]

Why are World Politicians letting Musk dictate what is being talked about.

[@berthaalvarado8184]

Interesting conversation, thank you Gentlemen for keeping us updated

[@alfredthegreat9543]

Musk is rich, and very rich on paper, but how much are X and Tesla actually making? He borrowed to overpay for X so how much is the interest? How much are the dividends the shareholders getting for both these companies?

[@davefloyd9443]

@alfredthegreat9543 I bet he gets an exception on tariffs for his Chinese built Teslas.

[@robc7162]

@@davefloyd9443 Odds on I'd say. Tesla sales have slumped in 2024 and he's looking for a way to get ahead of the competition. What better way than to side with Trump and get favourable treatment re the tariffs? Make the competition more expensive via tariffs and Tesla becomes viable again. All the politics he's indulging in is a smoke screen to hide his true commercial intentions, which are to save what was becoming a crumbling empire until the US election result.

[@TheMagicJIZZ]

The market cap of Tesla is 1.2 trillion And SpaceX is £350 billion

[@Invertedzero]

I feel that's hyper inflated for Tesla, it's got to be a bubble. ​@TheMagicJIZZ

[@robgrainger5314]

He makes his real money from government subsidies - welfare for the rich - through SpaceX, StarLink and similar ventures.

[@GIRUxGIRU]

Very misinformed understanding from Rory on the views of the "tech right". Campbells attempted psychological analysis of Elon Musk's personality is also inaccurate (he's always held these views). Massive amounts of strawmanning coming from both, not a great episode for me.

[@dylanryan6005]

Can't understand why Allistir is so appalled that the grooming gang scandal is 'brought to the top of the agenda again' and Rory plays it down as something that only happened in 2 towns and happened over 12 years ago. They seem to have been far more appalled by the post office scandal than this one, truly bizarre

[@redbloodcell4047]

As to why Jess Phillips has been "picked up" by Musk - 10+ years ago she was the focus of a British "anti-woke" KZbinr and later UKIP candidate by the name of "Sargon of Akkad". You could argue it was a campaign of hate aimed specifically at her, which involved his followers as well. Also note that Sargon interviewed Tommy Robinson at the time, back when he was mired in controversy but without the platform he has now. Sargon also drifted into European supremacy movements and the 4chan "Kek culture" which Musk changed his profile to reference a few weeks ago. He was active on Twitter before being banned, though he may have been reinstated by Musk since he bought the site. The online community surrounding Musk on Twitter bears some resemblance to Sargon's community - the narratives, the political rhetoric, the targets, and I would even argue the maturity. The parallels here are particularly interesting, though perhaps I am reading too much into it. Just something to consider.

[@hattorihonzo5804]

Hands down the best debate i heard this decade on the rise of far right in europe. These two gentleman literally have foretold what is to come and nothing would stop this.

[@Chiefmismaker]

Whatever benefit Musk might get out of exposing this terrible matter, don't the British people get a huge amount more? And so, shouldn't we be glad he is doing it?

[@farty81]

Starmer didn't communicate effectively. He traduced anyone, including Oldham Council and thousands of victims, wanting a more extensive enquiry as 'far-right.'

[@badgertheskinnycow]

What would you suggest should be the aims of such an enquiry? And what has changed as to why this was not called for or carried out ten years ago?

[@farty81]

​@@badgertheskinnycowyou could listen to what the leaders of Oldham Council are saying, but you probably won't. You could read Maggie Oliver's (the police whistleblower) twitter timeline, but you probably won't...

[@shacklock01]

shouldent we actually act on the findings of the first 7 year enquiry before we do another enquiery that takes a decade to conclude tho....?

[@farty81]

@@shacklock01 yes, but it only very superficially studied 6 towns. There are FIFTY towns implicated. We really have no proper idea of the reach and cause of this catastrophe. We can do both. And bring more prosecutions - this should be a main effort of government.

[@peteroneill2991]

@@farty81 SUPERFICIALLY. Additional report titled exploitation by organised networks Investigation Report February 2022 A report of the Inquiry Panel Professor Alexis Jay OBE Professor Sir Malcolm Evans KCMG OBE plus others. This is cut and paste from a small section of that report. 7.3. Also in 2003, the police in Keighley, West Yorkshire, interviewed 33 girls aged between 13 and 17 years. Up to 50 men were suspected to have been involved in exploiting them. Charges were brought against ten men and two were convicted. The mothers of some children aged 12 and 13 had approached their local MP, Ms Anne Cryer, to ask for help because their children were being exploited by gangs of Asian men in their 20s and 30s. The MP began to campaign for the police and children’s social care to take action. 7.5. In 2006, there was a prosecution in Blackpool of four men for the rape of a 16-year-old girl. The victim and a friend were given alcohol in an Indian restaurant before being taken to an attic and assaulted. One victim said she was abused by four men. Two men were convicted. 7.6. In 2007, 20 men were arrested and 3 were charged with rape in relation to the grooming and abuse of 20 girls in the Oldham area. Two convictions for abduction were secured. 7.7. In 2010, 5 men were convicted of sexual offences against girls aged 12 to 16 in Rotherham. Mr Andrew Norfolk, a journalist, began what would become a fouryear investigation into allegations of grooming and sexual exploitation in Rotherham and other towns, by mainly Asian perpetrators. His first investigative piece was published in 2011. 2010-16: growing awareness of child sexual explotation. 8. From 2010 to 2016, there were various high-profile prosecutions involving child sexual exploitation. These included: • Operation Lakeland (2008-10): three men convicted for the sexual exploitation of children in Cornwall; it was thought that they sexually exploited around 30 young girls; • Operation Retriever (November 2010): 11 men convicted of offences connected with the sexual exploitation of children in Derbyshire; • Operation Chalice (May 2011): the collapse of a trial relating to offences of child trafficking and exploitation in Telford; • Operation Span (May 2012): convictions of men from Rochdale and Oldham, including in relation to sexual activity with a child and trafficking in persons for the purpose of prostitution/trafficking; • Operation Bullfinch (June 2013): a child sexual exploitation trial in Oxford resulting in convictions for the rape of a child under 13 and trafficking; • Operation Erle (2014-15): 10 men convicted in relation to a child sexual abuse ring in Peterborough; • Operation Brooke (2014): 13 men convicted of the sexual exploitation of children in Bristol; • Operation Doublet (February 2016): 10 men convicted of offences related to child sexual exploitation which took place in Rochdale between 2004 and 2008 against victims and survivors aged 13 to 23; • Operation Clover (2015-17): 21 people, including two women, convicted after four trials of multiple offences, including rapes, false imprisonment and sexual intercourse with children under 13 in Rotherham; Operation Sanctuary (2014-17): 17 men and one woman convicted of sexually exploiting girls in Newcastle and sentenced to between 4 and 20 years’ imprisonment; and • in 2019, 9 men convicted of the sexual exploitation of girls in Bradford, 7 of whom received prison sentences of between 17 and 20 years.

[@JK192837]

It's incredibly frustrating to see both Rory and Alastair acknowledge the seriousness of the situation, and wonder why the main parties aren't taking it seriously, and why they aren't properly looking at the reasons why we are where we are........ and yet they do the exact same thing. Whenever they discuss the reasons for this situation, they come back with the exact same lines and talking points and ivory-tower attitude. I used to really respect the Rest is Politics, but I'm getting increasingly exhasparated with their inability to connect with reality.

[@wijet9274]

It's a waste of time watching them. Neither sees the reality of the situation. It was comedy gold watching them squirm when trump won. It's sad so many bother watching them. Avoid anything linked to goalhanger like the plague.

[@Xerus35]

I used to think these two talked sense. Now it's becoming clear they are just delusional out of touch elites like the rest of the corrupt politicians destroying british culture with immigration policy.

[@BONK_2000]

What is it you don't think they are understanding?

[@Xerus35]

@@BONK_2000 You clearly have no understanding either.

[@BONK_2000]

@@Xerus35 Good one, we have a real intellectual here.

[@richardstreet7605]

So sick of the “this is against Muslims” argument to dismiss the need for a judicial enquiry. It is highly offensive. It isn’t against Muslims. As far as I’m aware no one is talking about grooming gangs from Egypt, Syria, Saudi, Morocco, the Emirates, Indonesia etc etc. It isn’t again Asians. No one is talking about Persian grooming gangs in Britain. There are no Thai grooming gangs in Huddersfield. No Sikh grooming gangs in Birmingham. Last time I checked no one is alleging that leading members of the Hindu community are complicit in coving up family members involvement in rape gangs. ALL the other communities who originate from other Muslim countries and other Asian countries do not appear to have the same problem. But just the statistics on who has been convicted of these crimes (ignoring the fact that it appears many escaped justice) raises fair questions about why/how these crimes were able to continue for so long without convictions and why one community is so disproportionately represented. These statistics aren’t “far right” and it isn’t “far right” or anything to do with Elon Musk that this happened. The dismissive attitude of Rory and Alistair on this matter is appalling and shameful. I can’t help but think that if this had happened to one of their children, or a friend of their children, the attitude would be so different. And I can’t fail to remember the enthusiasm for enquiries into Saville, the Catholic Church and children’s sports coaches. Lastly, Let’s pretend that they are correct and this whole thing is just a couple of bad apples (and not the torture and rape of thousand of girls with the knowledge of police and authorities for decades) and the awful “far right” are exaggerating the issue. Why wouldn’t you want an enquiry of experts to look into the matter and set the record straight?

[@ThatitJack]

Just wait. The Overton window is shifting.

[@Bazingawow]

Alistair and Rory just can't see that their world view doesn't work anymore. Can they point to one country that is succeeding with their form of politics?

[@ppodinskindindu]

Rory! Jenrick hasn't just entered the 'edge' of Enoch Powell territory. He's gone full-on National Front, British National Party, British Union of Fascists. As we know, 'repatriation' is, was, and ever will be a euphemism. Also, these people would be nowhere without the support of the British establishment. It scares the life out of me.

[@tinap8227]

The problem is a combination of corruption and the type of personalities that trend towards politics. Politicians tend to be people who seek power and lack empathy, and those that start off altruistic are beaten down by the corruption, bribery, blackmail etc that comes from the wealthy interfering via donantions and media. We are at a time now with social media where the people holding the strings feel there is zero accountability and can shift the blame to 'crazy' online personalities or trolls. There's no fix under capitalism where a small number of people have almost all the resources and use them to rule.

[@puretruth8812]

Tina,, sounds like you don't know the plan, we're being shoehorned into Stakeholder capitalism, that's why we are all being played, these 2 clowns are just a diversion but both believe in stakeholder capitalism, it has to be implemented by 2030, if you've not heard of it, you're 40years behind,, if you have heard of it, what are doing to stop it? When it finally appears most people will suddenly wake up, but to late,, a small amount of people have been on about it for years, but shut down gor years by the left and right, usually a sign your over the target!! Get involved look up yellow forum,, politicians from both sides are traitors they know about it and think there getting a seat at the big table , there not there just useful idiots for the elite. Mao would love what's going on,, stakeholder capitalism all done without the public being told. Good luck

[@martavdz4972]

I know several politicians, even long-serving ones, and they seek power but they absolutely don't lack empathy. It's the character of the job that prevents them from using a lot of that empathy. Because inevitably, most of their decisions help some people but make the lives of some other people harder. So, they don't lose their empathy, but it becomes like the cupboard under the stairs. When you force them, they can remember they have it, and use it. But it gets harder with time.

[@Biblio1000]

as a british muslim, i have been deeply concered about the political direction of our country for the past 25 years... the muslim community are so comfortable in our country that it has its head firmly stuck in the sand.. and are answering the question ' why did the jews in Germany a hundred years ago not take steps to defend themselves or emigrate when the political direction was so clear ' ?

[@ballapeti]

Yeah, but the Jews don’t cut your head off if you draw a picture of Moses.

[@richardstreet7605]

We need the vast majority of British Muslims, like yourself, to argue for the values, beliefs and culture that drew you to these shores. It isn’t helpful when the self entitled “community leaders” minimise the rape of children, stoke violence or demand retribution against those that challenge their beliefs or shout down anyone who disagrees with them with accusations of racism. You don’t hear Jehovah’s Witnesses leaders reporting tweets to the police as being religious intolerance when people speak against them. No Mormon community leaders protesting WestEnd shows as offensive. There aren’t Roman Catholics priests protesting outside children’s schools because a teacher showed a cartoon of the Pope. No one from the Church of England is suggesting Justin Welby had to step down because of calls from “the extreme right”. We need normal, rational, Muslims to stop seeing any critism levelled at any Muslim as some form of attack on them or their faith. If I were a non-Pakistani Muslim I would be calling for an enquiry. I’d want it to be clear that this issue was limited to one small community and had NOTHiNG to do with me or my community. If I were a Pakistani Muslim I can see why I might see an equity as embarrassing and worrying. Even if I had nothing to do with the behaviour of these gangs, the numbers and statistic involved mean it would be almost inevitable that someone I knew or someone in my family might be implicated. But, I would like to think I would still be in favour as I would believe that these people should have their sins exposed so everyone in the community can be protected.

[@Biblio1000]

@@richardstreet7605finally a reasoned, mature and intelligent argument on social media-who would have thought that’s possible! I agree 100% . While I am not an ethnically white Muslim, I would like more from that background to get engaged and lead a platform representing the community, especially when there is a crisis of any sort - the school demonstration example you gave was exactly what had come to mind when i was seeing those ridiculous images playing out on TV. Another example was the shocking and subsequently entirely debunked Trojan Horse scandal. In both cases, however justified the anger, it needed a measured, calm media strategy that was led by educated voices who could quote Shakespeare as well as ibn Sina and connect culturally with the audience . That should not take away from the reality of racism and Islamophobia that this community faces and is now reaching a crescendo despite l of the very good world already been done at a local level.

[@awuma]

You guys are my daily dose of sanity!

[@goodyseif2807]

The world is figuring out a how to handle a ketamine addicted narcissist

[@UNICORN69HO]

Na, the world is enabling him.

[@saekhmet4186]

Build bot farms to bury his tweets with meaningless replies - so he thinks he's being listened to and can burn through his energy on a meaningless echo chamber, while abandoning X (formerly twitter), ignoring his existence and getting on with our lives.

[@DamonClarke-g1f]

The political class are abysmal. They don't care about anything but themselves. They do far more harm than good. Witness these two. Completely detached from reality and there's nothing they won't do, no injury or injustice too great as long as they can signal their virtue. Labour just cemented defeat the next time the country votes.

[@MightySheep]

I dont often get angry at listening to these guys because I get it they live in their own bubble but this episode was just painful to listen to

[@rilkeman4787]

@@MightySheep Yes, this one was a particular disgrace. So detached from reality. So elitist.

[@JimHamilton-xn7rg]

F-Elon and the Felon. The new Joker and Riddler.

[@tassie7830]

No, Musk personality didn’t change, he was & is the same Musk. His father Erol Musk said when he was in silicon Valley which is a very progressive environment to be successful Musk was an “actor on stage”, now the real Musk is coming home to his “white” South African root and to his father.

[@LornaWillimott-ur5vd]

I think you are right. The comments he made about the Thailand cave rescue predate the change Rory and Alistair flagged up, it might have been what caused the gloves to come off completely, but earlier signs were there too.

[@johnbacon4414]

Thank you both for your insights! Isn’t life about learning? Every day my understanding is being broadened.

[@tigerjongreen]

Same old story from these two, blame the messenger and ignore the crime.

[@farty81]

A truly appalling episode.

[@Yimello]

People are acting like Elon Musk is breaking this story and not just using it for his own benefit. Have you not read the news over the last 10-15 years? It’s been a huge story in the UK after which there was a 7 year official enquiry.

[@venmis137]

In comparison to Trump's recent comments about invading Greenland and Panama, and annexing Canada, Musk's comments on European Politics look rather tame.

[@billshun3963]

@@venmis137 I thought the joke was about purchases Greenland.

[@Himgonemountain]

'Dopey people on the right'? Sounds deplorable Rory. (and that was Hillary's biggest gift to MAGA). Judgy looking down the nosery, how does that work out for a politician? Persuasive much? What is needed is a better story, a better offer. Whatcha got? Oh...I see...

[@ChrisCM23]

Alastair, Rory, thank you

[@gloriahbs]

Musk needs to keep out of countries for whom he does not hold a Passport.

[@MrButterbee]

Rory's shady descriptions of these atrocities and claiming it was only tens of people is disgusting and shows he doesn't care a jot about the victims

[@PawesomeCatVideo]

Not quite I think he made this remark in the context of some of the numbers being bandied around on Twitter and internet, I have seen people posting figures like 100,000 victims, obviously inflammatory lies typical of Right wing propagandists. I am confident that he has every empathy for the victims.

[@MaxSable-j7g]

@@PawesomeCatVideo It was quite odd, he does have difficulty calling a spade a spade on certain issues. But yes, some likely inflated numbers out there, but that's partly why this requires a grown-up response, via a proper Inquiry or a National Crime Agency (NCA) task force.

[@peteroneill2991]

@@MaxSable-j7g PROPER?. . This is just one of the many additional investigations carried out by the Jay team during its 7 yearlong enquiry this is cut and paste from that report. The Child Sexual Exploitation by Organised Networks Investigation Report was published in February 2022. Despite child sexual exploitation having been a designated strategic policing priority since 2015, it concluded that the sexual exploitation of children by groups of associated abusers continued to be widespread and greater than official statistics indicated. Local authorities and police forces failed to keep pace with the changing nature of this crime. It also concluded that there appears to be a flawed assumption that child sexual exploitation is decreasing. As a result, the Inquiry made six recommendations, including that: • the Sentencing Act 2020 should be amended to provide a mandatory aggravating factor in sentencing in the case of the commission of an offence relating to a child, where child sexual exploitation by organised networks has occurred; • an enhanced version of the government’s Child Exploitation Disruption Toolkit should be published; and • national government guidance on child sexual exploitation should be reviewed and updated. 21

[@peteroneill2991]

@@MaxSable-j7g PROPER. Additional report titled exploitation by organised networks Investigation Report February 2022 A report of the Inquiry Panel Professor Alexis Jay OBE Professor Sir Malcolm Evans KCMG OBE plus others. This is cut and paste from a small section of that report. 7.3. Also in 2003, the police in Keighley, West Yorkshire, interviewed 33 girls aged between 13 and 17 years. Up to 50 men were suspected to have been involved in exploiting them. Charges were brought against ten men and two were convicted. The mothers of some children aged 12 and 13 had approached their local MP, Ms Anne Cryer, to ask for help because their children were being exploited by gangs of Asian men in their 20s and 30s. The MP began to campaign for the police and children’s social care to take action. 7.5. In 2006, there was a prosecution in Blackpool of four men for the rape of a 16-year-old girl. The victim and a friend were given alcohol in an Indian restaurant before being taken to an attic and assaulted. One victim said she was abused by four men. Two men were convicted. 7.6. In 2007, 20 men were arrested and 3 were charged with rape in relation to the grooming and abuse of 20 girls in the Oldham area. Two convictions for abduction were secured. 7.7. In 2010, 5 men were convicted of sexual offences against girls aged 12 to 16 in Rotherham. Mr Andrew Norfolk, a journalist, began what would become a fouryear investigation into allegations of grooming and sexual exploitation in Rotherham and other towns, by mainly Asian perpetrators. His first investigative piece was published in 2011. 2010-16: growing awareness of child sexual explotation. 8. From 2010 to 2016, there were various high-profile prosecutions involving child sexual exploitation. These included: • Operation Lakeland (2008-10): three men convicted for the sexual exploitation of children in Cornwall; it was thought that they sexually exploited around 30 young girls; • Operation Retriever (November 2010): 11 men convicted of offences connected with the sexual exploitation of children in Derbyshire; • Operation Chalice (May 2011): the collapse of a trial relating to offences of child trafficking and exploitation in Telford; • Operation Span (May 2012): convictions of men from Rochdale and Oldham, including in relation to sexual activity with a child and trafficking in persons for the purpose of prostitution/trafficking; • Operation Bullfinch (June 2013): a child sexual exploitation trial in Oxford resulting in convictions for the rape of a child under 13 and trafficking; • Operation Erle (2014-15): 10 men convicted in relation to a child sexual abuse ring in Peterborough; • Operation Brooke (2014): 13 men convicted of the sexual exploitation of children in Bristol; • Operation Doublet (February 2016): 10 men convicted of offences related to child sexual exploitation which took place in Rochdale between 2004 and 2008 against victims and survivors aged 13 to 23; • Operation Clover (2015-17): 21 people, including two women, convicted after four trials of multiple offences, including rapes, false imprisonment and sexual intercourse with children under 13 in Rotherham; Operation Sanctuary (2014-17): 17 men and one woman convicted of sexually exploiting girls in Newcastle and sentenced to between 4 and 20 years’ imprisonment; and • in 2019, 9 men convicted of the sexual exploitation of girls in Bradford, 7 of whom received prison sentences of between 17 and 20 years.

[@farty81]

​@@PawesomeCatVideoit is not at all unlikely the victims may number 100,000. It is certainly over 10,000 over the FIFTY town implicated. Why on earth would anyone minimise this catastrophe?

[@self.construction.day1]

If anything happens to Jess Philips, the responsibility will be squarely on Elon, Jenrick and Truss.

[@MerrickPopham]

are you implying the danger comes from the far right and not the islamists? i think we know shes safe

[@MartinGreen932]

I take it you’ve got no interest in what has happened or happens to the thousands of girls raped by British/Pakistani gangs? Phillips took 4 months to tell Oldham council she didn’t want a national enquiry and she laughed off the mass sexual assault of women in Cologne a few years ago.

[@MichaelBennett1]

Jo Cox was murdered by a white, right wing nutcase.

[@e3498-v7l]

Inshallah.

[@chigglywiggly]

Goes to show you shouldn't believe in your own infallibility and abuse Ketamine

[@themakerofmagic]

Lol he's doing fine trust. Focus on your life

[@seanoconnor8843]

I beg to differ. I've done very well thanks

[@chigglywiggly]

@@themakerofmagic 👈 malfunctioning bot? Probably one of Musk's

[@themakerofmagic]

@chigglywiggly human sitting in the sun with a different view. 🌞 Keep well

[@damiantow]

He may have bladder problems soon too...

[@mikegreen5249]

A+ on title, your media guy is doing a great job

[@Simon-zb6fp]

Thanks for the time stamp so we can all fast forward over the FUSE advert

[@joeroche552]

I’ve been saying for years he’s a James Bond villain! Crazy rich check! Space rockets check! Ear of the president check! All he really needs is a decent lair such as volcano or space station and henchmen and he’s good to go

[@macdutte]

You forgot to add the cat and white poloneck

[@ptodd1306]

He’s working on the space station

[@whssy]

@@macdutte wrong one. That was Blofeld. Musk is full on Drax.

[@macdutte]

@whssy touche lol

[@Hexanitrobenzene]

And a white cat :)

[@badmanjonthacon]

Its clowns like this that have caused Tommy Robinson.

[@hrvojesvetec3058]

Im from Sweden and worried abt whats to come from US new admin.Europe have to be smart, we need to stand firm, confident and most important UNITED against ANY bullies, no matter where they come from.our problem have allways been our confident imo..mean Europe is a big player, we are rich and powerfull actually.we just need to stay strong, united and start using it, because it doesnt look good what might be coming from our "best allies, freinds and partners"..

[@davetdowell]

> Im from Sweden and worried abt whats to come from US new admin. I think all Europeans should be concerned, given the pure hate driven invective that has been directed at Trump and his administation from right across Europe for the last eight years I can't see any reason for Trump to attempt to maintain alliances with any of us. Expect the worst and expect the conveyors of Trump hatred to lie about how it's all his fault.

[@janstaes2172]

The europeans are no more than vassals. They just do as the USA tells them to do. prof J Sachs has alluded to this many times.

[@BalrajTakhar-u7u]

I'd be more concerned about Sweden where women are bullied by newcomers & told not to wear dresses & where sexual crimes & violence have rocketed.

[@johngamble967]

Thanks you two, I am extremely lucky to have the time to listen to your program. Without going into a long winded explanation of my thoughts, it's obvious the way British Politics are going the same way Germany did in the early twenties. That's enough because I get far too upset. Keep up the good work, de España 🇪🇸

[@chriflu]

As a Swiss-Austrian dual citizen living in Austria, I do not agree with your analysis of the Austrian situation. Here's my take: When you look at the recent electoral success of the FPÖ, one word explains most of it: Covid. The Covid policy of the Austrian government, a coalition between the Conservatives and the Greens, was probably once best summed up by the Swiss newspaper NZZ as "a toxic mixture of extremely repressive and completely erratic". Ordinary citizens were subject to government measures that were as draconian as they seemed arbitrary, with the rules changing on an almost weekly basis. Meanwhile, businesses, especially those friendly with the governing parties, received billions and billions of taxpayer money under the guise of "dealing with the pandemic", even if - and especially if - they would have been about to go bust anyway, with or without the pandemic. During that time, you would have had three opposition parties: SPÖ, FPÖ and NEOS. Unfortunately - and I say this as a NEOS supporter - SPÖ and NEOS failed completely as opposition parties with respect to Covid policy, instead buying into the government's narrative that anyone criticizing the measures taken by the government was a dangerous and irresponsible conspiracy theorist. Thus, the FPÖ under Kickl managed to position itself as the only "true" opposition to an increasingly unpopular government. And when you look at the end result of Austria's Covid policy - a dire budgetary situation, raging inflation, a severe crisis of the education system, a mental health crisis among children and adolescents, a series of major "delayed" bankruptcies as soon as the Covid subsidies ran out, along with a higher Covid mortality than in countries such as Sweden or Switzerland which did not incur these enormous societal and economic costs -, you'll find it hard to find any Austrian, even among those who, like me, would never vote for Kickl, who wouldn't agree that Kickl, in hindsight, was right on that one issue. I am pretty sure that if the government had not messed up so royally on Covid or if SPÖ and NEOS had taken their task of holding the government accountable as opposition parties more seriously, the FPÖ would still be somewhere between 15 and 20 percent. Now on to the present situation ...

[@chriflu]

The main problem with the coalition negotiations is that two parties are led by ideological zealots: The FPÖ with Herbert Kickl and the SPÖ with Andreas Babler. The ÖVP, the NEOS and the Greens on the other hand have their own ideological hardliners as well, but their leaders are pragmatists. The negotiations between ÖVP, SPÖ and NEOS failed because of the uncompromising stance of Babler. The negotiations between ÖVP and FPÖ may fail as well if Kickl does not compromise on issues such as his problematic geopolitical sympathies, Europe, and national defense. In Austrian political culture, the ability to compromise and come together is usually valued highly by the electorate. So whenever a party wants snap elections, it's important to first blame another party's allegedly uncompromising stance for the need to hold said snap elections. This is why Kickl does so well in the polls right now: Since he had not even been invited to any negotiations before the recent developments, he cannot be blamed for the impasse. So far. This might change dramatically if the negotiations between ÖVP and FPÖ were to fail as well (I would say that's a 50:50 chance) and a majority of the electorate were to blame that on the FPÖ. Now for the comparison with Hungary ...

[@chriflu]

No, I don't think so. Austria has a lot more decades of democratic tradition under her belt than Hungary had when Orban seized power. I think this plays a huge part in how resilient the institutions designed to protect freedom and democracy are. Therefore, I think a chancellor Kickl would not be the end of Austrian liberal democracy. It would be like Meloni rather than like Orban. Also, when Rory mentions "direct references to the Reich", I think something went lost in translation. I also think the FPÖ is much too broad of a party to be equated with ideas of white supremacy or Martin Sellner as you do. Of course, there are such extreme voices within the FPÖ, but they represent maybe 25% of their party officials and maybe 10% of their electorate. For all those reasons, I am not only pretty relaxed about the prospect of Kickl as chancellor, I would also consider it more likely that we get snap elections once the ÖVP has managed to blame Kickl for a potential failure of the negotiations.

[@AltRock0827]

Im a huge fan of this channel and of Rory + Alister. I do have to correct Rory on a small detail though. I am a white male who grew up in Apartheid South Africa. I think we need to be a bit careful when trying to explain Musk's lunatic far right tendencies as being a product of growing up in Apartheid South Africa. While there will always be a contingent of those who sadly share Musk's views, I can confidently say this does NOT represent the views of the majority of white S. Africans who grew up in Apartheid SA. In particular those of us who chose to stay on in SA after its transition into democracy. Without wanting to virtue signal here, many of us have tried to make reparations and have tried to make our new democracy work. Some may have been driven to the right thanks to the current ANC government's spectacular failures. The ANC, the so called champion of the left and the poor has largely failed its consituents and helped destroy the country. The rest of us have been trying to rebuild the country, something that is often not reported on. But none of this explains Musk's behaviour. He is his own entity and his bizarre far right leanings might be something to fear. Or, it might be a smokescreen by his own invention. What we can be sure of is that Musk's autistism, narcissism and perchance for chaos shouldnt be under estimated.

[@Hexanitrobenzene]

I just came from a recent "Second Thought" video about Musk. It describes the roots of the whole Silicon Valley ideology, not just Musk. Very interesting, take a look.

[@MarcBrown1]

Not just Rochdale and Rotherham other towns this happened. Telford for instance

[@RobertThomson-y4m]

Fifty places, isn't it?

[@barryhobbs3743]

These two have got this so wrong it's unbelievable.

[@euphoriceuler]

37:05 On Kickl challenging the European human rights institutions: The ECHR is a law that's been given "Verfassungsrang" status, so it's basically part of the Austrian constitution, a 2/3rds majority would be needed to change that. I don't think that they will get the votes for doing that.

[@tonysummers6231]

Progressive politics has failed to recognise the dangers of excessive immigration in all western countries. The right wing has capitalised on this. Crazily the billionaires need cheap labour so quietly favour excessive immigration to keep wages low. Woke is a side issue. It’s all about immigration.

[@brianclear363]

I'm seriously of the opinion that the one person that needs a 'break from twitter'... is its CEO ;)

[@kevla57]

Islam is not a race. Its a dogma like all religion therefore not racist to criticise.

[@nedludd3641]

That was excellent: intelligent, informed, thought-provoking

[@haakonfantomet7171]

He loocks so scared right now