Restoration of a 1958 Citroen ID 19 P: blocked engine and cracked piston

[@jgossy5478]

Its nice to see someone that will take the time to repair old cars, rather than to junk them just for the few dollars that they were worth not in running condition. With good care this lovely old car can be around for another 30 years.

[@richardgoffin-lecar1951]

I absolutely love these cars. My ideal car would be one of these, completely restored to original showroom condition. Forget the Italian sports cars, this is pure class!

[@jamesfisher6999]

Dad served as an officer in the Free French Navy in WWII and settled and married in Scotland just after the war...he only could afford cheap second hand Brit cars till 1959 and the 1958 DS was the first new car he bought followed by the DS station wagon in 1964 as the family expanded by then....he passed away in 2010 and Citroen was the only car make he drove in 51 years.

[@OldTimerGarage]

Nice story, thanks for sharing. There are very few brands I have heard people so fond of that they sticked to it for their lifetime.

[@guyinsf]

That's amazing! 51 years and one car!

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[@yhwe100]

This car fascinates me when I was a lad. The pneumatic suspension was a thrill to observe. Must have cost a bomb to restore this car. Good work.

[@OldTimerGarage]

What the video doesn't show is how long the restoration took. Yes it takes money to restore a car like that but it was done over a period of several years. For most of the people whose work I am showing here, restoring cars is a hobby so there is no time pressure associated to it.

[@CHrisG-ol3ei]

Great video and I wish more people would restore these cars -- one point in the video at 4.40 it say “LHM “ tank , this is a 1958 Id 19 and they used LHS liquid till 1967. Easy to spot because the old tanks were black for LHS and liquid colour red and new tanks and liquid were green. LHS was troublesome and vegetable based on castor oil and absorbed water where as LHM was mineral based and much better. So I notice near the end of the video the hydraulic tank is now green and they are talking LHM , so somewhere they have missed out that that they changed the system over to the new oil LHM which means changing all the seals and anything rubber to mineral oil compatible rubber type seals and pipes

[@merledoughty5787]

I have two Citroens in my garage an 83 CX auto IE and a GS 1973 1220 4 speed, The little GS needs a home but the CX is close to being started, great video and what a great job of love

[@OldTimerGarage]

thank you for the nice comment and well done on looking after these cars.

[@paulbroderick8438]

This car was so ahead of it's time. Like the beetle, I believe it could have gone on forever with updates

[@OldTimerGarage]

Forever I don't know but it sure has marked its time.

[@jourwalis-8875]

LHM? On a 1958 ID?? Not possible! Very nice interior in good condition after 30 years in a barn! Fantastic!

[@Tirana44]

A beautiful car, my all time favourite. A Goddess indeed. Nice to see this beauty back on the road where she belongs.

[@pikeywyatt]

one of my favourite cars.

[@OldTimerGarage]

Enjoy it ;)

[@jibberjabba1969]

Just a stunning design with such beauty it's definitely in my top 10.

[@OldTimerGarage]

I couldn't agree more. And even more with the round headlights (compared to the directional headlights that were fitted in the latest Citroen DS like the white one that appears in one of the pictures).

[@omarjette3859]

Back in the 60s I owned 2 IDs, a DSM21 and a DS19 Citromatic. One ID was converted with DS19 high compression pistons, and the other ID got a quickie cylinder honing and ring replacement by just removing the head and pulling the sleeves. Have read all the comments and seen the slide show - well done! Except for the fluid, you do not mention anything about restoring the suspension, I would have thought that the height correcting valves would need cleaning, as well as the circuits. Also imagine that the suspension spheres were no longer functional. As for the brakes my 1960 ID had a suspension pressure line connected to the master cylinder, which would apply the brakes in the event of MS failure (pedal going to the floor).

[@RichardKingADI]

Lovely cars - way ahead of their time. I once had a Rhodesian assembled GS 1220 Club.

[@linuxjon]

Thank you for posting a wonderful video. Gives me goose bumps seeing this marvel of engineering brought back to life. I own BMW's out of necessity for daily commute reliability in the rust belt. And it annoys me how people fawn over BMW's as a marvel of (fill in the blanks). They are crude compared to the engineering embodied through out the D's. Citroen style and how things work is an acquired taste and learning curve. Even for me for a short while I thought a 1966 Pontiac was "better". I love the Citroen's style now because it is so much more than a "look" and includes such things as incredible aerodynamic features. Citroen D's are light years before marketing made aerodynamics, radial tires, quartz iodine active headlights, rack and pinion, no torque steer front wheel drive, power disc brakes, unibody, paddle shifters and active suspension etc. trendy. Once you experience a properly running Citroen D there is no going back. ALL cars are ordinary after that. And yes Rolls Royce / Bentley (pre German) uses Citroen hydraulics in their cars. (Note, Germans are idiots when it comes to hydraulic anything. Unreliable, expensive, complicated and leaks from day one. )

[@OldTimerGarage]

Thank you for your point of view. I second it pretty much all the way. Citroen was a very good brand (pre PSA in my opinion though). Now it is pretty much making plastic boxes with wheels like all the others.

[@truthseeker8483]

Beautiful car, beautiful work. I think this model with early wheels and headlights is the best. I am surprised it is LHM, I thought it would be LHS2 as it is such an early car. Cars like this will never be made again, keep it forever...

[@xm222]

A very nice movie, congratulations 👍🏻😊

[@OldTimerGarage]

Thank you

[@barryphillips7327]

Good video, that engine certainly needed a lot of attention, interior is like new and paint only needed good wash and polish.

[@OldTimerGarage]

yes

[@tracknar37]

Thx again for this really nice engine restoration :) i'd like to get in one of these one day, or even owning one...or better : restoring one and go on a journey !

[@OldTimerGarage]

Yes that's definitely the best feeling. Actually the moment I prefer personally is when you restart the engine for the first time after decades of sleep. That is magical.

[@mdoyle1981]

Well done! Loved seeing the whole process from start to finish. Enjoy your beautiful car!

[@brianvittachi6869]

Good job guys. That car is a classic.

[@OldTimerGarage]

thanks

[@805gregg]

Great video, I love Citroen's so far ahead of their time, now we have crap Tototas

[@nigelengland2302]

excellent photos, well done.

[@GREEKoPATRIOTIS]

Great work !! In a marvelous car !!!!!!

[@OldTimerGarage]

thank you

[@agoradacerto]

Very nice job! this model is so beautiful. Sadly it was not sold in Brazil. And to be honest PSA was never being well accept here but this model is amazing.

[@marks2731]

Nice job, love old cars.

[@larchange1657]

Un grand BRAVO !

[@MrLatinoAmbassador]

another work of love and art

[@OldTimerGarage]

For sure is

[@kensherwood4866]

great work, only wish we could see some video of it running, possibly something to add another day? The paintwork is very good, but people forget that Citroën was not a cheap car, certainly not in England in those days, only since the 1990's here have the been sold as cheap cars below their Peugeot sisters, though efforts to change that are taking place.

[@steinwaygrande9736]

Were one of South Africa,s most popular cars ever produced over there.

[@OldTimerGarage]

I didn't know that. Thanks for the information.

[@steinwaygrande9736]

Its design and suspension are light years ahead of todays plastic fantastic sweat boxes

[@OldTimerGarage]

Completely agree with you here

[@steinwaygrande9736]

Many of them have been restored to their better then new condition. Says a lot for French made cars

[@martentrudeau6948]

It's a lovely car, great job, thanks

[@thelizardus]

Great job mate, thanks for the video and please keep up!

[@OldTimerGarage]

thank you. I have another few videos already in the pipe and they will be uploaded as soon as I finish preparing them.

[@garyblake4296]

Beautiful motors....:)

[@kafouille4870]

C est une des voitures les plus belle du monde :)

[@iamrichrocker]

just wanted to say love the editing..and the music fit the video too....what was amazing to me was the room inside..the back seat leg room was great..if you get a chance a good look at the dash and controls would be nice..btw..you deserve more subs!

[@davezirkle]

Interesting! After the rebuild, what would be a reasonable highway cruising speed for this Citroen, for longest life? TIA for any thoughts.

[@OldTimerGarage]

These cars cruise perfectly well at 50-60 mph

[@adityakrishnamurthi4459]

thats amazing...2 thumbs up

[@johnhetherington8830]

thanks very nice cool car

[@LCMNUNES1962]

ÓTIMO TRABALHO D RESTAURAÇÃO, BRASIL OK.

[@hokihartanto7075]

i was ever own the next model of this car. is hard to forget how the hydraulic suspension can go lower, medium and high😁

[@mbaqcytvav]

Great job! Can you shade the font, or change the color? Difficult to read.

[@OldTimerGarage]

Yes I am sorry, the software I used to use couldn’t do it. The more recent videos are better in that respect.

[@pablocaillaux]

congratulations, you make my dream of car back to life !!. best of luck with this beautiful piece of art. btw: where did you get the spare parts? Thanks

[@OldTimerGarage]

Thank you very much. Some parts came from Germany, the others I couldn't say for sure, I don't remember.

[@funonutube100]

Very nice job!!! Only one thing it is never a good idea to reuse an old tired rad like that. Should have been professionally rebuilt.

[@Aleks_Z]

Engine and gearbox are swapped fom newer model. Valve cover is different, as well as gearbox, meaning, the engine and gearbox are from later models. Also, LHM instead of LHS. And I can't really just let it go, but it appears that the front end is changed as well. The car on 7:13 isn't the same car as the car in the beginning of the video. Bumpers are different, auxiliary headlights are different... Something is wrong in this video. There are two different cars at the beginning and at the end of video.

[@OldTimerGarage]

Nope, I have seen the car myself at the beginning, during and at the end of the restoration so I can assure you it is the same car. On these models, the hydraulic liquid was the red one not the green one which came later on. The bumper has been changed though so well spotted here.

[@Aleks_Z]

I know it's red, or should i say, it is supposed to be red, but given the hydraulic components are all green, it suggests that current liquid is LHM. Auxiliary headlights as well. Engine definitely isn't original, or same. The original has separation between 2nd and 3rd cylinder, oil cap is at an angle toward left side of the car, not vertical. Older gearbox doesn't have such mesh on cover, since it's quite similar to the gearbox of Traction Avant, same goes for the engine. I've worked on DSs and Tractions so i do know difference. Where are door trims? Where is red dot on top of front quarter panel? These are either two different cars, or the original 1958 car was totally upgraded to 1966/7 model. Probably 1966, since the battery is on the right of the car.

[@jourwalis-8875]

It also looks to me that the air-filter is of a much newer type then was originally fitted in 1958. Have you changed the motor to a newer version? And rebuildt the hydraulic system?

[@felixkribala8065]

LHM in a 1958? Did you change the complete system? Anyway, beautiful car. I had a 1968 Break up to 1996.

[@wassock55]

just to think--we used to banger race them in the 70's!

[@Struwex]

Nice i just wanted to ask if you were ever gonna do the ds :)

[@OldTimerGarage]

haha see, I have a few other nice restorations in the pipe, they will be uploaded very soon.

[@MrNickelbrille]

I remember that my parents owned an ID 19.But I clearly remember that it had covered frontlights.Did that change over the years?

[@OldTimerGarage]

MrNickelbrille yes it did. Some ID had the covered headlights then the DS series had it too on some models etc...

[@RVREVO]

Is this ID with the white plastic roof?

[@martinparker6536]

i believe early ID's had a bare fibreglass roof

[@tompinion4138]

I've been watching your vids for about a week now. Most of the cars I have seen on your channel are French makes but you get them inspected through the MOT. Are you in France or Britain?

[@OldTimerGarage]

Tom Pinion most of the cars are French (actually all are) and they are inspected via the equivalent of the MOT in France. I just translated to the equivalent word in English which is MOT. Thanks for following my videos.

[@tompinion4138]

No problem, I enjoy them very much. Here where I live in the state of Virginia (USA) we don't have to get our classic cars inspected if we put antique plates on them. The only bad part is the yearly mileage is restricted (which nobody actually checks anyway so It's not really an issue).

[@riejurv50]

Did you do the restorarion? Could we talk through email? I own a 1964 DS-19 LHS with cracked-stuck engine and don't really know if it is worth being saved.

[@marks2731]

What is a 'blocked engine?'

[@lucdh1734]

Another nice video...may i ask where you are from? Arent you french? Great work on the DS☺

[@OldTimerGarage]

luc DH yes I am French but I have been living in the UK for almost 6 years now. Thanks for the nice comment.

[@mastermindd]

music?

[@robertgagne9355]

My boss has a 1968 Citron convertible that he wants to restore. He is the original owner and bought it new in Canada. The car is in Cambridge, MA. Can you help us out? He is considering shipping it to France.

[@jean-francoisvillaneau9343]

Nice but not the 1958 is shown at the beginning. What we see at the end is much more recent.

[@swamy2973]

Dont upload pics video.... Plz upload full video.....

[@jlinkels]

I don't think you showed *all* of the effort you had to put in the restoration.

[@OldTimerGarage]

It is impossible to show all the effort for an restoration. You need to show in a few minutes hundreds and hundreds of hours if not thousands. This is why slideshows is a good compromise together with timelapses.

[@jlinkels]

If I was not clear it was a compliment to the effort you put in restoration. No criticism on the recording.

[@trespire]

I believe this is a DS19, not an ID19. ID19 has conventional spring suspension, this car has hydro pneumatic suspension, power steering & hydraulic power breaks, that makes it a DS. Some trivia: Michelin tire company developed their trademark Michelin-X cross ply tires especially to order from Citroen for the new DS. The cross ply reinforcement technology gave the tires lateral stability when cornering yet remain supple for a soft & safe ride. Because of the DS we all drive on modern cross ply tires.

[@linuxjon]

All ID's have the identical hydro-pneumatic suspension. You are correct, ID's have manual transmission, non-assisted rack and pinion and a "conventional" brake pedal pushing on a simpler hydraulic master cylinder (but still more advanced than anything on the planet). However my 1966 DS21 Pallas has the "optional" manual transmission. ( I own 6 D's [+ an SM], and have the shop manuals and factory parts books for reference.)

[@ajaxa9]

I restored the very same car. Conventional springs were not involved. Definitely hydraulic suspension, but no other power assists. Mine was mechanically great but a rust bucket; same orange interior; no auxiliary lights. $200 to purchase; $1200 to restore in 1963.

[@1marcelfilms]

have you ever thought of completely stripping a car completely and then having it galvanized?

[@OldTimerGarage]

‍1marcelfilms I have already stripped almost all my cars completely but never had them galvanised. Too expensive for the value of the car.

[@zagyex]

Lhm?

[@OldTimerGarage]

LHM is the hydraulic fluid used for these cars. It powers pretty much everything from the suspension obviously to the power steering to the brake assistance.

[@zagyex]

I know, I own one. But the early models didnt use LHM but LHV then LHS. Can you still use lhm or is the system retrofitted

[@OldTimerGarage]

You can use LHM if you change the components to be able to stand LHM otherwise the rubber gets destroyed so in this case, the system was retrofitted.

[@andydavenhall]

speed the video up to 1.5 the music's awesome.. haha

[@hanspearson]

I hope you did not put LHM fluid in that car. It takes Castrol HF* vegetable based hydraulic fluid.

[@gil7555]

Modèle 58 ..? Certainement non ! 65 , 66 probablement .

[@MiguelGonzalez365]

Great job, good video, but this music is the worst choice.

[@manfredschmalbach9023]

LHM ...? LHS !!

[@davidporowski9512]

Too Noisy //Better to have narrated this video/ what a waste of my time .TYl//Bye!!