Restoring A Trashed Bass Trombone Project #1

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@optiTHOMAS
@optiTHOMAS Жыл бұрын
Very interesting old trombone and unconventional design! The method for pulling out the tuning slides was absolutely brilliant! 😁👍🏻
@JonBlondell
@JonBlondell 2 жыл бұрын
That horn is a helluva lot older than 1972!!
@bobbycorbin742
@bobbycorbin742 2 жыл бұрын
I’m a drummer and I’m happy when I see broken sticks getting a new lease on life instead of ending up in a landfill
@MikeRotch69420
@MikeRotch69420 4 жыл бұрын
The second valve likely lowers it to E. It is more common in the older bass trombones cause it allows the player to play low B at the end of the slide.
@andrewhall2554
@andrewhall2554 3 жыл бұрын
Looking at the length of the crook on the second rotor, I would have to agree. I have an old Bach bass trombone with dual rotors that make it play in F and Eb. The Eb crook on that horn is roughly twice the length of the crook on the second rotor on this horn. That makes sense since on my Bach the small crook lowers the pitch a whole step while on this horn the small crook lowers the pitch only a half step.
@ScottyGMusic
@ScottyGMusic 2 жыл бұрын
I just bought one of these for $50. The slide is actually in pretty good shape. I took it to the shop to get a cleaning right away.
@jamesbrownjr.5074
@jamesbrownjr.5074 3 жыл бұрын
You have some genius methods for repairing trombones.
@BruceEEvans1
@BruceEEvans1 3 жыл бұрын
Those rubber rings are called O rings and you can buy a selection of them at a place like Home Depot or any good hardware store.
@bonemack
@bonemack 4 жыл бұрын
Love these. Can’t wait to see your approach to the main slide. I have a couple of slides in that same predicament but not a full shop to work on it. Kept them around to some day see what type of magic could be worked on them.
@lotsabirds
@lotsabirds 4 жыл бұрын
Is that a dual bore? I just finished a 1923 OLDS , Los Angeles made...dual bore and also tunable slide. I didnt know they made them tunable into the 70s. Thats cool. Weight not an issue on a tenor. I could see it adding weight on a bass. PS...I got it out eventually but I got a dent ball stuck inside! No fun....
@adrielreyes6471
@adrielreyes6471 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, it has dual bore (.554-.565)
@BruceEEvans1
@BruceEEvans1 3 жыл бұрын
"If you don't know what you are doing, you probably should not take them (Rotary valves) apart." But the way you learn what you are doing is by taking them apart.
@artgoat
@artgoat 3 жыл бұрын
The rubber ring is a standard O-ring. You can replace them at hardware stores that sell plumbing parts, or auto parts supplies. You could also cut a piece of rubber tubing as a pad.
@Joiblim
@Joiblim 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video So specific and clear, please continue making videos like this Greetings from Brazil
@tjsogmc
@tjsogmc 3 жыл бұрын
I wish somebody would throw away something like that in my direction.... Good job on the restoration. How much does a project like that cost? I have a valve trombone pre-1917 that needs some work.
@jorymil
@jorymil 3 жыл бұрын
Those valve springs remind me of cantilever brakes on bicycles: many frames even have the three holes to adjust tension. The o-rings look about the size of "cable donuts" used for bicycles as well.
@michaelconkey7684
@michaelconkey7684 4 жыл бұрын
Very cool! If you don’t have a buyer lined up already for this horn when you finish it, let me know, I’d be very interested in purchasing it from you. Looking forward to more videos of this project!
@lotsabirds
@lotsabirds 4 жыл бұрын
Look for nitrile rubber o rings....measure inside and outside diameter. Ive seen them about that size. Similar to ones used inside aquarium pumps.
@patoni860
@patoni860 4 жыл бұрын
I've learned so much from you... Thank you very much. I have enough knowledge to open up a shop to repair trumpets. And a little bit more I will know saxophones flutes and clarinets... I appreciate you
@RockStarOscarStern634
@RockStarOscarStern634 11 ай бұрын
What would really make this design more practical for all trombones is if they made the slide tubes a bit thinner to make them weigh less.
@tadasv4143
@tadasv4143 4 жыл бұрын
Is there any chance you are selling that conn weight balance from the horn you showed at 4:00? :) I'm looking for weight balance for my Conn 12H
@TheBrassandWoodwindShop
@TheBrassandWoodwindShop 4 жыл бұрын
That trombone belongs to a friend.
@tadasv4143
@tadasv4143 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheBrassandWoodwindShop thanks for answer :)
@eliezertapia9216
@eliezertapia9216 2 жыл бұрын
I will like to have my old trumpet restore.Can you do it for ?
@adrielreyes6471
@adrielreyes6471 3 жыл бұрын
S-23 Super Bass Trombone
@Samuel-ln6qu
@Samuel-ln6qu 4 жыл бұрын
16:56 😂 thanks for the tip
@Markworth
@Markworth 4 жыл бұрын
Just get one of those green o-ring kits from an auto parts store (or the internet). That o-ring will be one of the two smallest sizes. Technically, you could also repair the old o-ring with the appropriate glue, but why bother? Those rotors seemed pretty clever until you disassembled them. Now you've got yourself a nice little nightmare to reassemble. Hope all of the original tick marks are accurate!
@TheBrassandWoodwindShop
@TheBrassandWoodwindShop 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the information about the O-rings. I will try that.
@amsmithonline
@amsmithonline 4 жыл бұрын
Art, the rubber ring looks like a standard buna o-ring. Measure the outside diameter of the good one and the diameter of the rubber cord and find it here. www.mcmaster.com/o-rings/oil-resistant-buna-n-o-rings-8/ Once you have the dash number, check with a good hardware store and they might carry them. From a hardware store you can buy one or two whereas from McMaster you'll need to buy a small quantity.
@lotsabirds
@lotsabirds 4 жыл бұрын
I've see rotors similar to that on really old russian/polish/ukranian....alto/tenor horns.
@brhim5731
@brhim5731 4 жыл бұрын
The second trigger actually raises the pitch? That's awfully strange.
@TheMrAshley2010
@TheMrAshley2010 4 жыл бұрын
I think he misspoke. You can get a good view of the bell section at 7:48. It looks to me like the second valve will make it Eb, not G. Another common second valve is D. But there doesn't appear to be enough tubing to go down that far.
@Sherman1fan
@Sherman1fan 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheMrAshley2010 If it was an independent system, then the 2nd valve would lower to G (or Gb) by itself. On this trombone the 2nd valve would lower to Eb. Maybe an explanation of independent vs. dependent bass trombone will be in the next video.
@TheMrAshley2010
@TheMrAshley2010 4 жыл бұрын
@@Sherman1fan ​Precisely. That's why I checked the video for a good shot of the bell, to make sure they are dependent valves, before making the call. How 'bout that 'kink' in the slide though? This should be an interesting series to watch.
@bonemack
@bonemack 4 жыл бұрын
It’s a “G” valve in that it is shorter in length than the F valve. On an independent rotor system, it would put the instrument in G if engaged by itself. On a dependent system, it should place the instrument in “D” when engaged with the F valve.
@bonemack
@bonemack 4 жыл бұрын
@@trombonstya I stand corrected. This is the S-23 model and the Olds 1970 catalog does list the instrument in F and E so the second valve is a 1/2 step valve.
@l3v.b
@l3v.b 4 жыл бұрын
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