Restoring an eBay Warhammer 40k CHAOS for the edition everyone LOVED - 2nd Ed WH40K

[@craigwelter5862]

The beginning of this video explains perfectly what I loved about 40k when I started playing. The great stories that came out of those games of 2nd edition were what made it so fun. Same with original Warhammer Quest. The newer games just don't seem to have that.

[@rushthewash]

The fact the game was so damn broken and so stupidly OP in some small things make it definitely a gentleman's/gentlelady's game: you are allowed to play stupid things, but you are not allowed to be an absolute WAAC idiot.

[@mdrumt]

Agreed.

[@chrisakasgt.scream3935]

Don't you ever stop restoring those old figures to their former glory!! I could watch on for hours listening to you while you breath second life into those ebay rescues. Good job, Miguel. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@rushthewash]

Thanks! The Old plastic deserves a second chance, doesn't it!

[@minipaintingforyou]

Cinematic moments are what set 40k apart from every other game. Trimming the crunch meant trimming the flavour, removing a lot of potential cinematic moments. That’s why I have played a combined 10 games of 40k in editions 7, 8 and 9. I like to return to 5th edition once or twice per year. Thank you for sharing!

[@rushthewash]

My feelings exactl: holding your breath rolling all those armour penetration values, sustained dice, tables, scattering templates... So many things happened that you had barely any control over them beyond making decisions on where to move your attention to! It felt quite more "real" and similar to how destiny and life do things sometimes.

[@Karlmakesstuff]

2nd edition is still my favorite edition of 40k by a very long shot. Everything about those rules is just so metal. Thanks for the trip down memory lane, fellow grognard.

[@rushthewash]

Any time, my Maltese friend! Thanks for stopping by!

[@2XS]

I really love this project! Second edition is, by far, the best edition of 40K! I can't wait to see more videos of you painting the forces of chaos and maybe playing one or two games with it. Please don't stop here.

[@rushthewash]

I won't, rest assured! Stay tuned, I promise I will deliver!

[@2XS]

@@rushthewash I already subscribed, so I will take you by your word! :)

[@tinyfishhobby3138]

Don’t know if I can love this video more, but all of this is super awesome. Everything you’ve said about earlier editions really captures what made them so special, and the game these days can feel less exciting than it used to back in the days when the rules were super crunchy. Chaos space marines were my first army so seeing your restoration on this army brings back a lot of great memories.

[@rushthewash]

I am very happy to see that you had some flashbacks with this video :). It is the same with other games: I used to play D&D, and although I enjoyed 5th edition, I much prefer the clunkiness of aD&D 2e. Not sure why. Same with this. Once you get used to the quirks and nonsense, knowing how to play a crunchy game becomes a ritual of sorts.

[@levantos]

Holy moly this is the nostalgic crack I didn't know I needed, thanks for taking me back to my childhood Miguel. A great video!

[@rushthewash]

Oh man, careful then! It might make your credit card go cry in a corner if you open that eBay tab on Google! Thanks for watching!

[@aaronbrown4275]

Your sculpted skulls look spot on oldhammer. Perfection. :)

[@rushthewash]

Thanks! It isn't intended, just that my sculpting skills are limited and might ressemble those of the guys who started doing this for a living in the 80s :)

[@greenboi1549]

Always great to find a hidden gem of a channel! Looking forward to seeing what you do with these guys!

[@rushthewash]

Thanks! Well: I will paint them as fast and as well as I can! Stay tuned!

[@Runtherder]

Nice work on the leader, can't wait to see him painted up

[@rushthewash]

Soon!! GO GO BATCROTCH!!! "squeaks and shuffles"

[@BlairMcLarnon]

Can't wait for part 2 to see them painted! :D

[@rushthewash]

I'm itching for that too!

[@jonathanburns8774]

fantastic work miguel! that champion conversion is inspiring

[@rushthewash]

Thanks! The secret is in the Bat Crotch, I think 🦇

[@jimmyodinson9841]

I totally get it, I've literally this past weekend pulled out some Space Wolves I converted about 10 years ago from a drawer and made a squad from bits, plus found a landraider I'd part built. I'm not sure many of the minis I've kitbashed together are game legal but I'm having a whale of a time again. So you keep doing that thing you're doing as you do it so well!!!

[@rushthewash]

And because the armies are smaller, you probably are in the process of having a whole army ready in a couple of months. Tell me if this isn't such a great motivator! Instead of spending months getting minis ready, you could have a playable force in weeks!

[@jimmyodinson9841]

@@rushthewash yep. Bang on the nail head. Over the years the armies got to ridiculous proportions in size.

[@rushthewash]

We. Need. To. Talk. About. Scale. Creep. Too.

[@jimmyodinson9841]

@@rushthewash 28mm baby yeah!!!!

[@rushthewash]

Yes, please!

[@davidnandrin8825]

Great video Miguel ! I can't have enough of "bat crotch", too good : ) Great restoration and sculpting , looking forward to see them painted !

[@rushthewash]

Hahaha! You guys named him, so now that's how he will enter the army roster from now on!

[@fredericmuller4156]

Nostalgia ! I bought the new shiny eldar minis from V9 w40k… to spend finally my time repaint my old oop V4 eldar army. So you are not alone mate !!!😅

[@rushthewash]

I know I am not, but I wish we were even less "aloner"!! More old school freaks , please!

[@JMACCSArmiesOfMiddleEarth]

Great vid man, they look excellent. Totally agree, a fluffy story driven rule set will always be my go to

[@rushthewash]

I'm too busy to have time to "git gud" for tournaments now, so I will take stupid fun over anything else at the moment.

[@owenojodelobo9980]

This reminds me a lot of good things. A younger me reading about 40k in white dwarfs, and more recently reading and enjoying all your photo logs in Marcus Beli... your high elf army was a beauty to see. Also your restorations almost convince me to paint an army and go to Piñera, even if I never played warhammer before 😅

[@rushthewash]

I need to start running those tournaments again, I swear! We have so much fun every time we do have one going, it is a pity I don't do it, but, since GW killed WHFB and Covid happened, it became more difficult to find the motivation and the players to do one. Thanks for the reminiscing of the good ol' days of MB. Qué recuerdos. Igual hago un video de mis elfos este verano que vuelvo a casa!

[@owenojodelobo9980]

Oye, pues se agradecerá... había mucho amor ahí

[@TheHobbyGrotto]

So exciting, I've been waiting for this after seeing all those sneak peaks! 😊

[@rushthewash]

Wait until I show them painted!

[@henrymendes5617]

I love it! I did the similar thing with my Crimson Fist 👍

[@rushthewash]

Restoring is such a nice part of the hobby!

[@shaggyrumplenutz1610]

The named daemons in the back of that codex were wild.

[@rushthewash]

I didn't check the demons, as Night Lords seem to be adverse to including those in their armies, but... Well... Chaos is Chaos!

[@ATOMTAYLOR]

Great work Miguel. Inspiring stuff.

[@rushthewash]

Much appreciated! As long as it gets anyone else painting and playing, the video has done its job!

[@wanntime1894]

2nd edition 40k, space hulk, heroquest, advanced heroquest thats all im really intrested in. Zero intrest in anything else. IMO the 80s to mid 90s models have such a charm and character that i cant get enough of. Absolutely love painting those minis.

[@rushthewash]

An age long gone but not forgotten...

[@wanntime1894]

Wow your into space crusade as well!! Gonna be checking out all your vids! Just saw your dreadnought! Awesome job! You have inspired me to attempt that box art version as well! I'm lucky enough to have four. :-) two I have painted but really wanted to try doing one with flames. Cheers mate .

[@rushthewash]

There is a whole playlist as I go from restoring it to painting each mini in the game: Space Crusade: kzbin.info/aero/PLsmgNXe0eIaAly0pwkQLR49IlQzuxrPmq Enjoy!

[@TheDerwish]

That dreadnought thunderhammer arm... Took me 3 years to finally find one a few weeks ago. I rescue models from Ebay a lot too! You are going a few steps further though. That must have been a shitton of work.

[@rushthewash]

Wow... My dreadie came with it just like that. Is anyone making 3d versions of those? Maybe try Etsy or somewhere like that next time?

[@TheDerwish]

@@rushthewash Maybe, but I don't know much about that stuff. I want everything to be original and my pile is big enough to take my time searching for bits.

[@rushthewash]

I know exactly how you feel like, but I think we are going to end up relying more and more on 3d printing for those old-style-looking pieces: the good news is that we are not alone on this nostalgia trip and there are many many talented people out there willing to put the time and effort to create the things we love. Why is this so? I don't know: I am just very glad there are maniacs like ourselves feeding our old school cravings! :) Worth trying to find some of that cool stuff online! If eBay doesn't have it, try looking it up! Or maybe someone here could give us some ideas, so, if you guys know of any cool sites where to find this, please let us know!

[@huwtindall7096]

Could be your best video yet mate!

[@rushthewash]

Too much of a high praise! Although, considering the average quality, it possibly is!

[@robertsvallin3500]

I am chaos player that started with 2nd ed. To me 2nd is the best edition, mostly because of all the fun I had back then. Still love my metal dreadnoughts.

[@rushthewash]

Imagine playing it now, with all the skills you have got on painting and modelling, plus a cool looking table and the maturity to try to play it for fun and not for ego! That is my goal!

[@t0masibrudoctor534]

Old hammer IG had so many cool doctrines and special characters ❤

[@rushthewash]

I need to get ahold of all the old books: so much stuff to read and get hyped on!

[@DarkusObscurius]

Damn, Miguel, awesome sculpting,

[@rushthewash]

Just to get by, let's not get too excited about it! It helps to hide some bad stuff in the minis, tho. Maybe one day I'll get good at it/

[@mateuszdzielicki8456]

Hi Miguel, I love your channel man! :) Do you plan to run a video series on building and painting an army for the Warhammer the Old World? That would be awesome!

[@rushthewash]

How about I also make a series about all my WHFB armies? :)

[@mateuszdzielicki8456]

@@rushthewash yeah, go for it :) greetings from Poland

[@rushthewash]

Will do. I'm going back home this summer and will show you guys some more of my stuff back there.

[@dragonwyrmdracodracul8361]

Some really nice repairs.

[@rushthewash]

Thanks! Hopefully they will look nice once painted!

[@xyonblade]

I understand drilling barrels... but lascannons should have a lense on the end not a hole? that's just one little nit-pick I have, I still love what you're doin with the restoration though.

[@rushthewash]

I think you are right, but most las-guns i have seen usually have a hole in the barrel for whatever reason!

[@NeonPinkApokalypse-nw6gv]

Bat crotch!!! curious how many points is there? got to be at least 1500? look forward to seeing these painted!

[@rushthewash]

After a couple of things coming my way to get them legally playable, they will be around 2k.

[@alexanderevans1149]

Lovely stuff, subscribed.

[@rushthewash]

Welcome to Rush the Wash!

[@kublai2222]

Great project!

[@rushthewash]

I am having quite some fun with it, not gonna lie.

[@psychosmiley84]

Meanwhile I'm pulling out all my 2nd/3rd ed. Chaos and stripping and redoing after getting back into things. Marines, Raptors, Terminators, Havocs, Dreadnought. So so much metal to be worked with. Very glad I've never parted with a lot of it.

[@rushthewash]

I am of the opinion that I will always, somehow, find time to get to everything I own, one day or another. This is why I don't part with stuff. Pile of Shame be damned!

[@psychosmiley84]

@@rushthewash For me I just can't ever get rid of anything. Convenient now I have a collection of stuff that needs attention 20 years later because I painted like a schulb as a teenager and I want to do better. That's also feeding into the desire to get the things I couldn't afford back then.

[@rushthewash]

It is oh so very hard to stop fidgeting with paintjobs. I stopped trying to improve significantly because I want to paint for playing and have a style that is consistent over the years so I can still add stuff to old armies and don't look too off. It might sound like a lame excuse, but it is 100% legit.

[@XYZdude00]

You say thats a small model count for an army, but that space wolves army has ragnar blackmane, njal the storm caller, an iron priest, bjorn, an assassin, and an inquisitor which alone is 605 points in 9th edition

[@rushthewash]

Can you legally play them all in a single list?

[@carcasor]

Toda la razón del mundo. Las anécdotas de segunda son insuperables.

[@rushthewash]

Que gente se acuerde de las burradas que se hacían hace veintipico años es para mirar con lupa lo que era eso y por qué tenía ese regusto especial.

[@ashleywatkins3250]

Great video!

[@rushthewash]

Thanks for watching and commenting on it! Have you played WH40k 2nd ed, Ashley?

[@trollbite.miniatures]

i heard using iso in an ultrasonic cleaner could be dangerous, you might want to look into it

[@rushthewash]

How so? Now I need to read about that...

[@rushthewash]

www.microcare.com/en-US/Resources/Resource-Center/FAQs/Can-I-Use-IPA-in-a-Vapor-Degreaser-or-Ultrasonic-C Well, I'll be damned...

[@kharnifex]

Yeah man never use any accerlant in the ultrasonic cleaner!!

[@rushthewash]

I think what I will do now from now on is let the minis stay in the IPA for a couple of nights and the hit the ultrasonic cleaner with regular water.

[@jihoyoon29]

I like the new thumbnail Senor

[@rushthewash]

Gracias, Jiho!

[@DaneSaysStuff]

That disassembly was absolutely painful. Definitely better methods to try before hacking stuff apart...

[@rushthewash]

What would have you done? The rhino was glued with plastic glue, so everything was welded together.

[@DaneSaysStuff]

@@rushthewash I soak stuff in warm soapy water for about 30 minutes, then put it in a bag, and put it in the freezer overnight. I've disassembled 50 year old glue bombs doing exactly what I said with great success. For the metal stuff it can be chucked in a jar of acetone overnight and that will eat everything that isn't metal.

[@rushthewash]

Metal is never an issue. Plastic, on the other hand, when is glued like this, is a different business altogether. I will try the ice bucket challenge next time. Thanks for the tip!

[@DaneSaysStuff]

@@rushthewash I'll be looking forward to your results! And more 2E content!

[@rushthewash]

More 2e will definitely be in the menu!

[@goforitpainting]

Cool as always.

[@rushthewash]

Thanks a lot for watching and commenting! :)

[@kulltallas]

Suscrito!

[@rushthewash]

Gracias!!

[@Brofisticus]

If you're looking for something small scale, crunchy, and filled to the brim with 80's pulp, have you looked at Battletech?

[@rushthewash]

I know it is a very popular thing nowadays, but since I never grew up with it, I think my rose tinted glasses would gaze upon it so favourably as they did with this one... 🤣

[@mdrumt]

2nd edition, the best edition. Only thing I disliked was sustained fire dice and characters being way OP. We changed some rules a little. Armour saves before wound rolls, sustained rolls before hit rolls, for example you roll 3 on your sustained dive then rolled all 3 to hit dice so you might only get 2 hits for example, seemed to iron things out a bit for us.

[@rushthewash]

Those are very good tweaks. How do you work out sustained fire vs different cover miniatures? Roll each hit according to the cover? This "armour before wounds" is something I remember discussed quite often in old forums for WHFB. Why was it done this way, I am not sure... I think it was for making the game faster as one player would do all the rolls before the other? I also disliked Herohammer characters, but their OP-Ness also made the games smaller and faster. If you get to an agreement with your friends on how to play without going full WAAC, then beautiful things can be accomplished!

[@mdrumt]

@rushthewash re: sustained fire, I think you were correct that's how we did it. One change I did prefer in later versions was getting rid of sustained fire, and just rolling a weapons allotted D6, although the amount of D6 for a particular weapon seemed a bit low to me. Armour save, I guess it's a bit more thematic if rolling saves at the end for your own guys, it's your own dice roll that ultimately decides the fate of your mini, perhaps, or like you said speeding up the game. Agreed on the hero hammer models, like often we didn't have big armies so did full send on wargear to stretch to our points limit. Ultimately 2nd is still my favourite edition, it felt much more like a "sim" than later versions.

[@rushthewash]

Yeah, I agree: later edition games felt softer. We can agree or disagree about the nerfing, but it is what it is. Assault cannons in particular went from god-mode A10 Warthog gatling guns to pea-shooters. Love it or hate it, though. I like the ridiculousness of it all!

[@VikingFireProject]

Dude! Get the F out! I literally bought a 2nd edition starter box today! It's not complete... but the box is cool! Awesome timing on your video 😂

[@rushthewash]

Ayyy, I am always looking for one, but there are so many things I still need to paint... Congrats on the buy! Gotta have some fun!

[@1985slipstream]

How to simplify 40k . We just didnt play with grenades. I can never rememeber with mate or in the shops on a thursday night anyone ever using grenades. or even strategy cards for that matter.

[@rushthewash]

Taking away whatever you though was too much is a great way to keep the game balanced for your own needs.

[@kharnifex]

I still play 2nd Ed, much better the new nonesense

[@rushthewash]

Crazy nonsense is awesome once you embrace it.!

[@corwinberry]

I don't even play the game. I just mod minis nowadays.

[@rushthewash]

If you ever do, let us know how it goes! I am getting my playing stuff ready and I hope I can convince someone crazy enough to try it out one of these days!

[@khanhngantran4592]

Bùm chắc

[@rushthewash]

Hahaha! Arianita al tope!

[@Stuffandstuff974]

2nd edition is the best edition

[@rushthewash]

Can't say if it is, but it surely has the feel I was craving.

[@benrunciman4399]

Good video

[@rushthewash]

Thanks for watching!