James J Jeffries Has Choice Racist Words For Jack Johnson & Sparring Partner

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Keep the education coming bro. This will help Boxing fans understand the the game they respect today.

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[@StevenSmith-zw1pd]

I hate to bust everybody's bubble, but the reality here is that, these are the words of Jeffries' publicist...NOT his own. Now, the maker of this video is absolutely right about the racialization of the fight game. That continued to Joe Louis-- they had several degrading nicknames pertaining to his blackness, Africa, the jungle, negro 'nihillator, and such. It continues today. The filmmaker gives us a wonderful reminder of what this country has always been. But he is wrong about Jeffries. Now I am not saying he cared about blacks personally or their societal plight...but he personally wanted no part of the racial vendetta. He had long retired undefeated and there are reports that when he started training for the fight, his weight was just south of 350 lbs. The Great White hope was not his creation. White America shamed him into doing it because they thought the retired and undefeated legend was the right man for the job. He was a farmer at that point...I am guessing successful but they threw a shitload of money at him, plus since it was filmed for prosperity, Jefferies AND Johnson both got paid for the rights...I believe, a first at the time. Champions come back for a couple of reasons-- money, and another shot at glory. Jefferies did this for a king's ransom and because a nation forced him to. It was like, I will try my best to do this for white America, but you will pay me like no other before. Once the fight was signed, Jefferies did not do a lot of media. It was going to take all he had to get in fighting shape...much less compete. That is why the comments are not widely known... because they are widely accepted NOT to be "Jeff's" own. The racist, inflammatory rhetoric while obviously an expression of white America's rage, was also fight hype. They want the money of the poorest, lowest common denominator too, to whom such vitriol appeals. It is the same thing with the Armstrong "angle.". Remember...Jack Johnson, the direct descendant of slaves-- they declared war on us any time they wanted to-- and it was big news to announce to the troops, "we got a spy in camp." If Jefferies truly felt that way, he never would've had a black man in his presence, much less in his camp. For Jeffries, this is all about asses in the seats, big payday, film rights, and winning an athletic contest where he could have been killed. Again, I am not saying Jeffries gave a flying fuck about black people. He may have even believed in the racist rhetoric, but that narrative was carried out by others and not the creation of the man himself. Interestingly, the OTHER thing that does not get publicized, is how complimentary Jeffries was of Johnson after the fight... humbled not for his racism but rather humbled as an athlete and competitor, conceding he could not have beaten Johnson in his prime. Jeff knew what was up...but a nation forced him to try. He just got caught up in the middle through no fault of his own....how could he turn it down?...how could he say no to America? He received a king's ransom and paid for it with one hellacious ass-whipping. Hope he got his money's worth. 🥊

[@mtroy0620]

@@StevenSmith-zw1pd interesting, thank you.

[@Dayumshawty]

@@StevenSmith-zw1pd It was like the great max schmeling forced to give the face for that palooka of a.d.o.lf and its palooka army against our loved brown bomber

[@scaramouche8244]

@@StevenSmith-zw1pd Truth has no place in this narrative. Another point to address is how many black men did johnson let fight him for the title? Was he rscist against black people too? Would like to ask his wife.

[@cygnusprime6728]

The racial tension building up to this fight was thicker than semi tires.

[@saintcruzin]

The riots after that fight were huge, including many blacks lynched, swinging from trees with fly’s on their decade bodies..This is just before Billie Holiday’s Strange Fruit record happened. Anyone who hasn’t heard her sing it....must.

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[@ralphmelvin1046]

Yes the riots at the time we're terrible and they weren't covered or understood at the time because there was no TV and radio the only media Outlet was newspapers who did everything they could the down play it only small little articles in the paper about it

[@dmac5108]

Wow this is great content. I've studied Johnson years ago & never saw this.

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[@connshawnery6489]

Sam Langford would be an interesting guy to cover. Tough fighter in his era but outshined by Jack Johnson.

[@bryanpayne3793]

Sam Langford is one that Johnson ducked when he became Champion when give him a title shot

[@connshawnery6489]

@@bryanpayne3793 Yep, I’ve heard that.

[@chadspeaks1162]

Johnson and Langford fought each other in 1906. With a size advantage of 6 inches and 30 pounds Jack Johnson took an easy unanimous decision. Nothing from Langford though. Up until he died in the early 70's, ring historian Nat Fleischer ranked Jack Johnson as the greatest heavyweight of all time. Fleischer ranked Langford even higher than Marciano and Gene Tunney.

[@bandit7498]

@@bryanpayne3793 Ducked is a strong word. I guess you can say he did technically. But to be fair, Johnson knew his time at the top was going to be limited. He had to make the most of every fight. Two black guys back then for the title would have been very unpopular. Johnson had to fight white guys for the title.

[@StevenSmith-zw1pd]

@@bryanpayne3793 I was about to light you up-- but I recovered my gentleman gene and have decided to let you off easy. First, at that level nobody "ducks" anybody. The defame/discredit Jack Johnson campaign is shameful. And the Johnson/Langford "rivalry" was ADMITTEDLY a media creation. Everybody talks like Johnson and Langford NEVER fought. They fought in 1906 before Johnson became heavyweight champion. By ALL accounts, Langford was a beautiful boxer and had the toughness and power to take on and defeat heavyweights. When he fought Johnson, however, he was young, and EARLY in his heavyweight campaign...giving up 20 lbs to Johnson, HE GOT THE SHIT BEAT OUT OF HIM. Langford was a middleweight who once decisively defeated the great "Michigan Assassin" and former World Middleweight Champion, Stanley Ketchel, who as reigning champ unsuccessfully challenged Johnson for the heavyweight title. By 1906 Johnson was the #1 contender. He had eliminated everybody and was about to chase then champion Tommy Burns around the world before catching up with him in Australia...Burns another smallish heavyweight who got the cat living dogshit beat out of him. That actually started a hopeful narrative among white America that Johnson could only beat small men...and that is when the search for the Great White Hope began. At times they were not even looking at fighters-- they were looking for a giant of a man that could not be knocked out...it took seven years, partying and drinking with white women, age, and lackadaisical training to finally lift the heavyweight title from the black race...the man was Jess Willard. 6'6 256 lbs...not very skilled but big, strong, tough, and most importantly a mere 26 years old compared to 37 for Johnson. And despite it all, Johnson beat the cat living dogshit out of Willard for 20 plus rounds. At the time of Willard's KO victory in the 26th Johnson had won nearly every round in1915. Yet this asinine narrative persists that hungry, prime Johnson from 1906 to 1910 was "scared" of a MIDDLEWEIGHT, when throughout his career, he destroyed smaller fighters, including Langford, which became propaganda for the racist hate mongerers that wanted to see him beaten. Now sure, Langford and his people called Jack out and challenged him repeatedly. Why not? But make no mistake about it, the white race wanted the heavyweight title and all it's racial/geopolitical symbolism back in the fold. NOBODY except the most staunch Johnson hater/racist was CLAMORING for this fight... desperate to see ANYBODY beat him...even another black man. But generally, and resoundingly, white America, the only voice that mattered was not interested in seeing two black men fight for the title...white America wanted the title BACK. Once Jack got the title, he defended it like a business man. He had beaten the shit out of Langford once and the prime Johnson that would emerge following that fight- 1906 to 1910 was not losing to a middleweight. Johnson was an international superstar and a rematch with another black fighter, who was smaller, and that he had already dominated MADE ZERO BUSINESS SENSE. Sam Langford was a beast. He no doubt is underrated and it is partly because instead of celebrating what he did do, the pundits continue to make the proxy argument of what he DID NOT DO against Johnson. Go back and read the true accounts of the one and only Johnson vs. Langford fight...not the accounts of racist haters who wish to destroy Jack Johnson's legacy. Jack beat the shit out of him because he was young, small, and inexperienced at the time-- moved on, became a global superstar and never looked back at Langford. A rematch simply made no sense. Did you ever wonder, why in the hell did Apollo Creed fight Rocky? For what? Rocky had no leverage. Unranked. Nobody was asking for that fight. It's the fight game man.

[@Mr.Memphis10]

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[@bigd6205]

It's funny that you mentioned Bob Armstrong. I read things about him you might already know or don't know. I would definitely want to share what I know with you about Bob Armstrong. At the same time. I don't want to inform you about stuff you already know. As an individual that also appreciate the history of the Sport of Boxing. I appreciate the information that you have put out about the history of Boxing.

[@grawakendream8980]

Bob Armstrong definitely held back in sparring. And gaining a reputation for not being able to get it done on fight night, made him attractive to racist promoters for sure, as a safe POC who wouldn’t make waves

[@nickharmer3049]

Great info bro. The fans today need to hear this stuff, so they can understand how bad it was back then. Bless up

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Have you seen 'unforgivable blackness'?

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[@TheBatugan77]

@@nickharmer3049 Yes it is.

[@jimmyteerex2177]

People act like Conor McGregor was the first fighter in history to cross the line with trash talk. Articles like this show it was going on a lot longer than that.

[@TheComicRealm]

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[@FighterGlory]

Jeffries was far away from his Prime when he fought Johnson!

[@TheXpertGenius83]

Funny thing to me is by the 14th round it was James J. Jeffries that didn't want to stand with Jack Johnson. Dropped for the first time in his career in the 15th around and later two more times in that very same round with the last ending the fight.

[@retroboxingdocumentaries4817]

thats a great point....you always make great points in comments and even more so in your vids my brother.....and your name fits you well....Jeffries did a lot of talking......im going to present some more info on the build up and aftermath to this fight

[@TheXpertGenius83]

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[@joep8787]

Jeffries greatly overestimated his conditioning. He was grossly overweight and spent too much energy losing the weight. During the fight, he tired quickly and could've been knocked out much earlier than he was. I don't know if he really said all the things he's quoted as having said or if words were put in his mouth to build up the fight. I can't understand how any fighter could be so ignorant of the true state of his endurance.

[@painin2teeth]

He was in desperate need of money and simply had do it

[@richardbranton7396]

@@painin2teeth no he wasn't in desperate need for money ,he was back for the white race

[@painin2teeth]

@Richard Branton obviously, you know nothing but want to make noise. His farm was not doing well. He had been in retirement for years and had no interest in coming out. It was a payday. All the news accounts leading to the fight back this up, as well as accounts from other boxers, promoters, and trainers

[@richardbranton7396]

@@painin2teeth you are making a lot of noise and don't know what you are talking about ,stop trying to make it out as something other than what it was ,which was to reclaim the title ( he and his supporters had been claiming he was still really the champ because he hadn't been beaten in the ring ) for the white race ,end of ,he had to be cojoled ,and browbeat but eventually agreed to come back for the race ,he said it and that's all it was about ,you know nothing and are just trying too deflect from the truth smmfh

[@richardbranton7396]

@@painin2teeth all the newspaper accounts ,ex champions Corbett and Sullivan writer jack London where vocal and non stop about the reason they needed him back ,stop lying

[@josephphoenix1376]

Nice episode... I.ve read a lot about the WHITE HOPE ERA... Bob Armstrong was an X World Colored Heavyweight Champ himself prior to Jack Johnson...Just like today. Sparring partners etc jump from 1 camp to another prior to a big fight obtaining work....Jack Johnson himself did that later after losing the World Title...

[@Maynard-il1yj]

lol

[@davidmccann9811]

I wonder how many lf these quotes in the newspapers were actual quotes, or just made up by the newspaper writers? I say this because I've seen "quotes" from Jack Johnson in which he speaks in a strange plantation type dialect, but when we hear recordings of him speaking he was actually quite well spoken.

[@connshawnery6489]

Great stuff man. Love your channel and you have a knack for being able to present things I've never seen or heard of. I do know that Jeffries made an admission after the fight that he would not have had much hope in defeating Johnson at any point in his career.

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[@StevenSmith-zw1pd]

Correct. He was very complimentary.

[@majik_man]

Show me the date of him saying that. Or you just regurgitating lies. I got newspaper search and those words he isnt saying. Proof is in print not some passed down lie...over time.

[@connshawnery6489]

@@majik_man It was a paraphrase of what he said, so I can help with that. You don’t know me so you wouldn’t understand that I would not make unfounded statements for any reason. Here is the exact quote and you’ll probably find it repeated from numerous sources online “i could never have whipped jack johnson at my best” James J Jeffries

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[@sivaro1]

Jeffries was so far past his best, it was like Ali vs Holmes. The fight should never have been sanctioned. He was well over 300 lbs and retired 6 years. Jeffries beats him prime for prime.

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Great Content OG!

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[@bryanpayne3793]

The n word comment looks photoshopped

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yes it kind of does doesn´t it? Wonder why that is..

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Straight up lol

[@TheBatugan77]

It was 1910, bro. They didn't have auto-correct.

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[@zwebb7327]

Awesome video, I like your style of discussing the old articles. Very cool. Unfortunately racism was tied into boxing as well, since Tom Molineaux fought for his freedom from a Virginia plantation (a crazy story). I feel like it got slightly better after Joe Louis, but I think how the public treated Sonny Liston makes me think otherwise.

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"It's always been this way" because 'this way' makes money, that's why.

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Famous last words....

[@oldschoolboxingtalk2940]

Jeffries could have used Armstrong's helping in that fight he got dog walk by Jack Johnson

[@josephphoenix1376]

Bob Armstrong was the former Colored Heavyweight Champ 🏆. Race and boxing went back as far as Bill Richmond & Tom Molyneaux! Black Boxers in the Colonial Era!🤔😡

[@979williams9]

Early social media 1910s was lit

[@andrewr62]

Jeffries was offered $100 k for this about which in those does was a huge sum of money. He later said the money he received was not worth the humiliation he felt after the loss. I truly believe Jeffries believed the fight was fixed. It was odd that the fight originally to be in California had a late location change to Nevada. Rumors were if the fight had taken place in California Johnson would have taken a dive but who knows. Jeffries in his prime was known for his strength, amazing endurance, ability to take huge amounts of punishment and his powerful left hand. He took none of those in the ring with him that day in Reno. He had to know this. It is written in several publications that Johnson told Jeffries days before the fight "Jeff this is not California. Every man for himself". It is said that Jeff brooded and went into a depression before the fight after hearing this. He commented later "I could always count on my left to the body. It never let me down. That day in Reno I left it go and it was little more than a powder puff. I knew I was in trouble"

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@@THEUNDERATEDDARKNESS that would be great my brother.....i am not doing hardly nothing this week and would love to be on your channel

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Good shit bro

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Whats good bro...i did call you...im going to try again this week

[@brolickscholar3083]

Duhh! It’s how you sell a fight! People have to be interested in seeing the fight and what better way than to invoke peoples most primal emotions (ie) IDENTITY? Like Joe Louis vs Max Schmeling. They were good friends but what sold the fights was “Race”

[@keithmotsinger918]

The media would never misquote or distort anything,nothing changes.Sell the ,Ratings and papers.Jeff and Jack in 05 ,yeah.Heard about the cellar dare to Jack,version I take is Jack saying "what good that gonna do me" They would'a strung Jack up.and no profit.Wish Johnson had fought Sam langford agin ,instead of those ham n eggers white boys.Jack drew the color line too.Why not they damn shure did!

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[@VinayakPande53]

Boxing was a huge draw even before it allowed black athletes to compete freely. It goes back to even the ancient Olympics where the early form of boxing involved two guys sitting opposite each other and punching themselves until one guy passed out. It's unimaginable today that there was a time when boxers or top athletes weren't of African descent given their dominance in pretty much every major popular sport.

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[@SmileyMikey]

Racial epithets are horrible! But as for the general trash talk, that's a fight tradition for those who want to sell tickets. Muhammad Ali. Tyson Fury.

[@fromsteph2you478]

Jeffries hadn't fought for 6 years and had to drop 100 pounds. Interestingly enough, 7 years prior they met in a bar a and Johnson asked for a fight, and Jeffries said not in the ring but they could go into a cellar right then and fight, and Johnson said no.

[@richardbranton7396]

Your point is what ? Why would he fight him a cellar? You're talking like Jack said no because of fear ,you end your story right at that point ,why? Wasn't Jack chasing the guy for a championship fight ,not a bar room brawl ? Your post makes no sense

[@therealc.t.7085]

Bro, they would have killed Jack in that cellar 😂😂😂

[@santiagomaciel6979]

The Boston Bonecrusher Sam Langford was a African American fighter that never got a title shot when Jack Johnson reigned as the Colored Heavyweight Champion. Johnson refused to fight Langford who weighed from anywhere from 140lbs+ to 170lbs+. After Johnson became Heavyweight Champion Sam Mcvea became the Colored Heavyweight Championship. His first title defense was to Sam Langford. Sam Mcvea lost his first title defense to Sam Langford. Jack Johnson fought Sam McVea 3 times. Jack Johnson called Sam McVea the toughest man he ever fought. Sam Langford fought Sam McVea 15 times. Both Sam Langford and Sam McVea would've been Heavyweight Champion of the world if it wasn't for Racism.

[@retroboxingdocumentaries4817]

iappreciate the history .......i have ben reading about the era of the color lines and Johnson was a diva...im going to tell the truth and cover it

[@DHEMGHJS]

Langford was Canadian. Johnson signed to defend against Jeannette twice in NY the NYAC vetoed both attempts.Johnson agreed to defend against both Langford and Mcvey in Australia ,when Johnson jumped bail in the US the offer was withdrawn. All this info ,including locations, purses,, and dates can be found in Adam Pollack's 2 vol bio of Johnson.

[@justicerighteousness3105]

I'm not real big on boxing. But I do have a pretty good knowledge of boxing history. If Rocky Marciano had come out of retirement around 1960 as he said he thought of doing in an interview. He likely would have eventually fought Ali or Sonny Liston. If either one of them had defeated Marciano it probably would have been a repeat of the Jack Johnson Jim Jeffries fight. Maybe even some rioting would have resulted as it did after this contest.

[@callumwarren3342]

Only difference is Liston wouldn't be clinching Marciano. He'd pummel him outright.

[@justicerighteousness3105]

Yes, different styles for sure.

[@Bruins-vq5ey]

Ali was too far off

[@justicerighteousness3105]

Ali wasn't considered a prime contender in 1960. But he had won a gold medal in the Olympics that year. And was becoming more recognized.

[@williehudson4013]

Liston would have destroyed Rocky Marciano Marciano struggle against jabbers and he only has a right hand Liston was good on both of sides and had a left jab that would keep Marciano at distance

[@vinny6685]

It’s ironic how Jeffries talked before the bout and how he felt after getting toyed with and outclassed . The papers blamed it on his age but he later admitted he couldn’t have beaten Johnson even in his prime . Johnson was a special champion and about as brave as any fighter ever . I’m glad that he was pardoned for the garbage crime they accused him of they couldn’t beat him in the ring so they destroyed him in the courts . Rest In Peace Mr. Johnson you deserve it .

[@StevenSmith-zw1pd]

😢Amen.

[@BillyBob-ec5ox]

Johnson wasn’t a saint by any means. He bet against Joe Louis in the first Schmeling fight, and then went around Harlem showing off the cash he had won

[@vinny6685]

@@BillyBob-ec5ox Noone ever said Johnson was a saint. He was just up against a lot in those times, but showing off money he won in a bet is not a crime .

[@richardbranton7396]

@@BillyBob-ec5ox so ? He bet on the winner

[@BillyBob-ec5ox]

@@richardbranton7396 it was the fact that he gloated about it. He could have kept it to himself

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[@majik_man]

I'd sure like too see the newpaper where Jeffries "states he would never beat Jack Johnson" because if that isn't the biggest lie perpetuated over time. People just repeat it like it's fact. It's not in print. He wasn't saying anything like that after the fight.

[@grawakendream8980]

it was his first “after he lost, I’ve seen it in the clippings. The narrative that developed soon after and four years obviously contradicted that completely. But to me he was his most honest at the finish of the match

[@majik_man]

@@grawakendream8980 I looked through all the newspapers the day after he lost. The words he said were starkly different than what that myth is perpetuated. It's just wrong. I looked through a dozen papers. Jeffries never stated "he would never beat Jack Johnson" He said he got beat by father time & had they meet earlier it would have been a much different fight. Even after a month after the fight he still is saying the same things. Do a search yourself...don't take my words as gospel. But i have access the dozen of newspapers the following month he never says anything along the lines of the great myth. Even with key searches it doesn't come up with anything in a longer timeline search. Unless you can point out a specific newspaper on a specific day that would contradict about a dozen other reports saying the complete opposite. I'll keep an open mind. But don't sell people a lie based on inaccurate data. I got no dog in the fight. I just is awful to have your actual words twisted so badly they somehow represent the complete opposite of what you're saying. I'm for factual accuracy.

[@grawakendream8980]

@@majik_man i don't think so. but maybe. you're claiming the quote was essentially inexplicably falsified basically

[@majik_man]

@@grawakendream8980 It's not necessarily false. I'm saying the actual words out of his mouth after the loss to johnson contradict that information. Look at it from a fundamental approach. What other fighter do you recall saying he would never be able to beat him on his best day? I can't recall anyone saying such a thing. And for a standpoint for Jeffries he hadn't fought in years so he had a rich supply of excuse's he could draw from to go there seems highly unlikely. If you read the newspapers of the teen's such as 1915. They love to sensationalize things in general. If Jeffries said that it would be all over newspapers in a sensationalize matter. It doesn't even come up with keywords like in the 1920's and before. I will continue to look for quote. But even in Jeffries book (man among men) the author address the question of Jeffries saying such a thing and he could find no verifiable source. So by the wording it may not have appeared in print (newspaper). Either way the next day Jeffries isn't giving Johnson much credit for anything. I would think the thought's most fresh in his mind (the next day) are the most accurate with how he feels and he certainly 100% doesn't think Johnson is his superior. He did say something to the lines of Johnson was better than him on this day (which was a backhanded compliment)> I could find the full quote for clarification. Jeffries had a rich source of excuse's to use why utter something so foolish. If you've read newspapers before Jeffries fight with Monroe. He was really thinking about fighting Jack Johnson (in the newspapers) Johnson tune up fight for the title was Dec 1903 sandy Ferguson fight. Johnson looked so bad in the win he couldn't knock him out & he got knocked down by Ferguson but won a dull fight. Then in Jan of 1904 Jeffries no longer considered him of Heavyweight material. Johnson was almost as much to blame for not fighting Jeffries in his prime because he blew it. All that matter was how the press portrayed the people and the press roasted Johnson for his performance and it was kinda viewed as a final Tuneup in the press. The reason i'm saying all this is why would Jeffries say he could never beat him in his prime? Johnson had some mild trouble with Sandy Ferguson & lost to marvin Hart. Jeffries had to think he could of dominated both those fighters. Certainty not a caliper of fighter you would say i could never beat, the context makes no sense to me. Johnson choked away his opportunity. That's not someone anyone was fearing or avoiding in 1903/1904. It's neither boxer's fault i'm just portraying how the press viewed the whole ordeal. Far before this fight. Was it right to dodge Johnson even though he won the fight? Nope. He should have fought him immediately if he did actual appear that poor. Johnson bulked up quite a bit as champion. In 1904 he didn't have the power he had latter in life he was a skinny cruiserweight. with malnutrition. He would of had a very difficult time beating Jeffries in 1904. He surely could have done it though. And the matter should have been settled. Jeffries really had no foresight letting the opportunity pass on by in 1904. The Monroe fight should have been Jack Johnson. Jeffries was knocking out sparring partners then he was primetime in 1904 and would of stood his best chance at beating Jack Johnson. The Johnson vs Jeffries fight should be viewed by everyone as an exhibition fight. Anyone (years) removed from the ring it's not a creditable fight. Jeffries beating Jackson before him not creditable it was an exhibition and meant nothing. We certainly can't assume Jeffries was far superior to Peter Jackson & we can't assume Jack Johnson was far superior to Jim Jeffries. An exhibition win mean's nothing. Just trying to give some insight to all. Not reading the press (at the time) you're guessing at many things. I did it myself. That's why i'm giving you the event's of how the press is portraying things. If i find the quote of him saying such thing's i'll post the full comment. Me not finding it doesn't mean it didn't happen. But the what's actually printed in newspapers is telling a very different story.

[@grawakendream8980]

@@majik_man I am pretty sure i remember seeing a huge spread with two boxes, with quotes of each fighter after the fight. and jeff saying he couldn't beat him in a thousand years.

[@erneststewart5718]

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[@malikomar9758]

This is a dope breakdown on the Johnson vs Jeffries match back in 1910. Jack Johnson went through hell back in those days because he was knocking out White men viciously. Also, he had a taste for White women, ie his wife. Not only did they talk mess to him at all his fights, but he talked the same mess back to them. Rest in peace to this ancestor.

[@Maynard-il1yj]

Like they do now a days in the fight game lol dude was living like a king. Name a famous or rich person that isn’t shitted on? “He had a taste for white women, ei how white wife” 💀 brilliant

[@hdvictoryford5329]

So much of what was stated here is typical fight hype. Even comments are all part of promoting the fight. I spoke with many old fighters, and they all said the same. There supposedly was a color line as well. Yet here we have 2 who crossed that line. As well as dozens of others. Truth be told if the money was right any fighter black or white fought. And JJ let it be known he was not a racist. He was a humble farm kid who went along with the promo. JJ also being off from boxing would have a difficult time getting his skill level back, which he admittedly did not. Plus coming down from over 300 pounds to get close to fighting shape took its toll as well. Remember JJ did not want this fight. How much effort did he really put in training and the fight? With little to know motivation you can only imagine.

[@djp6140]

A lot of Black people were killed because of Johnson beating Jeffries.

[@nickharmer3049]

All facts buddy.The boiler maker was a terrible racist. Drew the colour line when champion. Badly beaten by the great Jack Johnson, that lead to a terrible period in American history. Looking forward to catching up with your back catalogue. Bless up

[@BillyBob-ec5ox]

In fairness, Jeffries hadn’t fought in years

[@nickharmer3049]

@@BillyBob-ec5ox I know buddy. Out for about 6 years & dropped 100 lb.

[@otisgreer8429]

And by the way dude, boxing stop being about race a long time ago.

[@BillyBob-ec5ox]

The ironic thing is that Jack Johnson refused to defend his title against any African Americans. He enjoyed being known as the only Black champion and didn’t want any other to hold the position. He was kind of a massive egomaniac. Even the way he bet against Joe Louis, and showed everyone the cash he had won that very night

[@NoOne-kr4jc]

Johnson was even a shithead by the standards of then. It says a lot that the black population preferred Louis later on over Johnson. Another honorable mention was Sam Langford.

[@Clipgatherer]

Jeffries wasn’t all so sure of himself, despite the bravado and racist insults. Deep inside, he knew that Johnson was the better man.

[@cw6983]

Note that johnson screwed Moran out of his purse..there are ithers who knew the kind of perdon johnson really was

[@TheBatugan77]

I think Jeffries could have given Johnson all Jack could handle in 1904. But Jeffries avoided him, so that's on him. But... Johnson himself drew the color line as well. Giving Stanley Ketchel a shot, and avoiding Langford and Jeannette... was egregious.

[@chuckemeade]

That was about money more money fighting white guys and less dangerous.

[@Bruins-vq5ey]

He was offered generous sums against said fighters

[@richardbranton7396]

@@Bruins-vq5ey no he wasn't

[@richardbranton7396]

Bollox,everything u racist scum say is about Johnson in the negative,no mention of all Jeffries vile mouth ,if it had been Johnson bragging like Jeffries then got his ass easily and severely whipped you'd be laughing and bragging on what Jeffries did and about how Johnson got his big mouth shut,but oh no your pretenting he didn't really believe that and was doing it for the payday , smmfh he bragged non stop what he was going to do to Johnson

[@Bruins-vq5ey]

@@richardbranton7396 read some books

[@TheBatugan77]

I think Jefferies knew from the get that hw was screwed. Hence the insistence for the huge payday he demanded and got.

[@979williams9]

Early social media 1910s was lit