IBM 6x86MX PR200 find in a gorgeous nineties PC case

[@LGR]

Lovely little machine indeed, I haven't seen one of those fake floppy drive bezels in ages! Also rather amusing to see Route 66 being used to calculate maps in the Netherlands considering its highly American name.

[@RetroSpector78]

I remember being blown away by it and just looking up random places / routes all of the time. It was one of those apps you impressed your family / friends with :) Bizarre to see how we managed to use this type of applications in such a disconnected / offline way. Same thing with train time tables. We used to have 1 disk for the year. No realtime updates / delay info. Just the static data :)

[@GuybrushThriftweed]

Nice to see you across the pond Clint :)

[@emanueldebresser3208]

@@RetroSpector78 You gave that pc away? Why are you talking about _"The new Owner"_ all the time? And why?.... By the way... Greetings LGR! "... _"Greetings from an "KZbin - CommentThing" and welcome to my post! ;-)"_

[@myw4y]

It seems that all the good guys in the branch left theyr comments on this video, that's really nice "_"

[@robertcraane7910]

@@RetroSpector78 I vividly remember the first altas I had on my PC. It was part of the Encarta Encyclopeadya set. I was always studying those maps!

[@cjhawk67]

That 24hour burn in sticker on the bios chip is always a dead give away for pcchips board :)

[@NSHG]

Interesting that the board didn't have the chipset rebranded though. I could clearly see the "ACER" markings on the chipset (ALi is Acer Labs Inc.) at 9:56

[@benrogersdevon]

I used to deliberately buy PC Chips and ECS boards back in the late 90's and early 2000's because I wanted to help people who were having problems with their rigs built around these cheap motherboards' and the reputation they had was well deserved IMO. Fake cache chips on PC Chips 918, 912 et cetera was the original issue people had with PC Chips mobo's but to add to it, the chipsets' they used were usually very old tech, very slow and as such memory bandwidth with a particular CPU and at a set speed (RAM & CPU), the PC Chips mobo would be 10-20% slower than a PC with identical components, other than the fact it was based on a better board, such as one manufactured by Gigabyte, Asus, Abit and even Intel own brand mobo's were much faster than PC Chips motherboards with the same socket. PR was a rating given to CPU's as a 'performance rating' when (I think) the CPU in question was benchmarked versus a Intel processor at the same PR speed. A 200MHz PR CPU would have been thought to perform the same as a Pentium @ 200MHz but the differing in instruction sets caused the PR to be quite random and not based on much at all really.

[@benrogersdevon]

@@NSHG ALi made chipsets for fair while and I recall having a Socket A board with an ALi Magik 2 chipset (I think) and as a fairly early socket A board, it didn't have a locked PCI bus so overclocking also overclocked the PCI/AGP speed.

[@NSHG]

@@benrogersdevon I still have a fully functioning ALi based Celeron 533 machine from PCChips, a M726MRT (Slot 1 + Skt 370) Surprisingly sturdy. The caps aren't really that bad either (Teapo w/ slight G-Luxon sights. Would've expected more trashy caps honestly.), and the soundcard onboard is a genuine CMI8738 on the PCI bus. Also the BIOS isn't crappy at all, which is a great surprise considering it's PCChips, of all things. Oh, and no rebranded chipset. It actually READS the original ALi printing on it. ALi was more popular during the Super Socket 7 phase though, for what I recall, with their ALi Aladdin V. Some revisions had a bug where you couldn't run some K6 chips though (ASUS P5A actually suffered from this) which could be fixed with a resistor placed on the back of the socket, though it escapes me which pin(s) you had to solder it to.

[@parrottm76262]

I do love those style cases. Way back when I sold custom builds and tried using those IBM cpu's but never had great, overall luck with them. I could never figure out all the issues at the time, but now I feel the motherboards I was using had BIOS issues that were never addressed. Oh well, live and learn.

[@calvinwalker4654]

I like how he pulled out the IBM CPU before he gifted it... This Intel one will work much better. Sure that's the reason LOL

[@Johnny.Verplancke]

Liked watching this video brought back some memory's as in my collection bits and bobs stayed over from my old Pc's I still have my IBM PR200 2.5x66Mhz 2.9V Core... Remember I bought it when I read the adds and reviews for it in the magazines during a system upgrade at the time...

[@urrugames4062]

Just discovered your videos the other day and now I'm completely hooked to your channel. Awesome work!!!!!

[@ching-chenhuang8119]

I remember the ALS100 soundcard, it's pretty reliable, the sound quality is good, and the compatibility for DOS games is also pretty excellent, a rather decent soundcard for Sound Blaster alternative choice!!

[@PPavel84]

I've been watching your videos for quite some time now. You are great! I remember assembling such PCs when I was a teenager. If you come by a Rise mP6 CPU, I'd love to see a video!

[@moipcr]

So so beautiful machine!

[@RETROHardware]

case Dr. Stein :-))) I like this fake floppy cover. I‘ve never got point why they made this.

[@EvilTurkeySlices]

I have a Super Socket 7 machine with an AMD K6-2/500 with 64MB of ram, and a Diamond Stealth 3D 2000 Pro graphics card.

[@DxDeksor]

The 6x86 isn't lacking a FPU, it just has a slow one (iirc, it can't use both the FPU and the ALU like the pentium can do)

[@RetroSpector78]

Yeah ... need to be more clear when I use terms such as “lacking fpu”. Meant to say “lacking in fpu performance”.

[@AugurIliKur]

If you used Windows NT it effectively did not have a FPU. NT kernel would simply disable it at least in NT 4.0. The filesystem drivers required a FPU for compression and encryption, also. So it attempted to emulate one when a 6x86 was present. There was no indication to the end user that anything was wrong until one day the system no longer would boot.

[@nneeerrrd]

@@AugurIliKur none the compression nor encryption in NTFS uses FPU. Those algorithms are purely integer.

[@skilletpan5674]

FPU isn't just for floating point. Back in the 90s we called them math co processors. Some how that changed to FPU because of the 486 and Pentium cpus integrating them into the CPU directly. Most FPU units will also speed up integer. Do you mean that NT v4 doesn't need to use the accelerate opcodes from the FPU?

[@nneeerrrd]

@@skilletpan5674 you know what fpu stands for, right? It accelerates floating point math and functions, like transcendental ones. While you can use FPU for manipulating floating point representations of integers (like, 2.0 x 2.0) it don't worth it from performance standpoint. FPU introduces latency which only worth it for something really expensive, like floating point multiplication/division or math functions. And yes, NTFS.sys doesn't use any x87 code. At all.

[@fintux]

We had a case looking very much like this, for an Am386SX. It was without the hatch, and it was a bit taller, and the display only had two digits. But there was this glossy black portion with the rectanular HDD, Turbo and Power LEDs; similarly positioned (though gray) power button; reset and turbo switches and keyboard lock in the black rectangle and similar design for air intake in the lower part of the case. Either one manufacturer has taken a strong inspiration from the other, or they could even be from the same manufacturer. The frequency LEDs could be configured by jumpers segment by segment, so for a 120 MHz CPU it still was possible to configure the display to show 119 by displaying "11" in the leftmost seven-segment unit.

[@melchieor]

Any luck finding the name of model of the case ? I used to have a very similar mod tower case with the 2 number digits for the MHz . My reset and turbo buttons were not round but rather very oval , almost flat . I remember my computer was a megitronic but I can’t find the case .

[@fintux]

@@melchieor Sounds exactly like the one we had. There glossy black part went at least almost the full width, and it had a small protrusion in the upper part, if I remember correctly. The LEDs were rectangular, and they were green for power, orange for turbo and red for HDD. The power button was in a rectangular piece, but the button was round. The turbo and reset switches match your description. They were in small indentations, so the button itself would protrude ever so slightly (I think that turbo button was protruding a bit more when it was off, but cannot say this for sure). And there were four, maybe five grooves at the lower part of the case. Unfortunately, I have no name for the case. It was a brandless clone PC built by some small company that would sell coputer parts, and has probably gone bankrupt some 20 years ago. I've tried to search for a picture of the case, too, but with no luck.

[@AlexCatV12]

Enjoy your video, pleasure voise and clear diction. Well done)

[@RetroSpector78]

Thx a lot ... really appreciate it ... Still lots of room for improvement but practice makes perfect right ? :) Hope to see you again for future videos.

[@AlexCatV12]

@@RetroSpector78 i will), sorry for my english, its not my speaking languige. I love old PC, im from 88s and nostalgi for old stuff like this. Now i have i5-8400H and this hardware dont have soul.(

[@jensdbe]

All the time you`re going in detail about the FSB and multiplier, all I can think of is to overclock this thing... Would be interesting to see how far you can get with this CPU :)

[@RetroSpector78]

Don’t have high hopes but might try it in a future video :)

[@AugurIliKur]

You would get nowhere. Overclocking just didn't work. The chips would almost universally just lock up at a higher clock speed. This isn't like modern chips where 200 would be a 233 that is derated. This is 200 or 233, the end. 233 ran at 66 MHz and 200 ran at 75 MHz, period. Plus as he mentioned the PCI cards often would not work at 75 MHz. So you ended up running your 200 at 66 MHz bus with the multiplier set higher to get almost any complex PCI card to work right.

[@skilletpan5674]

I once overclocked a 5x86 cyrix cpu (It was one of the weird ones that ran on a 486 motherboard if I remember correctly) from 100 to 130mhz~. I changed the 25mhz jumper to 30mhz. The internal 4x multiplyer gave it the 130ish speed. It booted up and ran but it wasn't all that stable and a real pentium 100 was still faster than it with PCI bus and the better ram.

[@douro20]

Many Cyrix CPUs were manufactured by IBM. The mach64 is actually a 3D card but it uses custom 3D instructions. There were several games designed for it. That Avance Logic sound card has a connector for a Wave Blaster daughterboard.

[@DanPellegrino486]

I know it doesn't need it, but I would have had trouble resisting putting thermal paste on the CPU.

[@robertoschiabel]

Hi! very good video! congrats! It recalled me I should have an old socket 7 motherboard somewhere, with dimm and simm memory sockets to (could be a Soyo with ETEQ). have you ever tested mixed memory configurations (dimm and simm together)? thank you very much

[@vladislavn9666]

Remember that no one wanted these Cyrix processors at the time because of the low FP performance which resulted in slow performance in games...

[@felderup]

this month i took my old 430tx motherboard out of a case, to replace it with a new board, cyrix pr166 still intact, probably still ready to run.

[@mark12358]

@@felderup The Intel 430TX chipset was the last nice one for 66mhz socket7 mb. It supported UltraATA, SDRam, EDO ram, and was rock stable indeed.

[@Kundalini12]

Nice little computer. But I never understood why they put those serial and parallel ports in the expansion slots when there are four knock-outs in the case directly below the power supply.

[@RetroSpector78]

Probably because for pc builders it’s too much of a hassle / too time consuming to remove the knock-outs from the case, unscrew the 3 ports from the 2 brackets and screw them in the knockouts again.

[@AugurIliKur]

Well, the IO card still used the card slot either way so why not put the basics on the slot cover if you didn't need the rest? Good Multi-IO cards had 4 serial ports, 2 parallel ports, 15 pin joystick or two, maybe an IDE port or two. Most IO cards had 1 serial, 1 parallel port.

[@EsotericArctos]

Taking the cooler off, it looked like there was no heatsink compound. Did you clean it before filming? I can't remember if they got hot enough to need it now, I use to always use a small smear of compound when I put them together.

[@wishusknight3009]

Those CPU's will undervolt quite a lot. The ALiDDin 4 chipset also had a 2.5 divider for the PCI clock. So on this board it would have been 30mhz. I don't mind these cyrix chips. They are fun to play with and pit against CPU"s from other brands. The later gen M2 cpu's I found could be undervolted quite amazingly, and at that point could get by without a an on their heat-sink. The first MX chips maybe not so much, but I always set them up at 2.8 volts. And if the motherboard had the settings, sometimes even as low as 2.5 volts, and they would still work just fine. And it always led to less problems for heat. That is a beautiful case!

[@mattym6749]

I'd love this case but obviously for up to date use... love old tower cases like this

[@larsenmats]

I remember I used to overclock the bus up to 83MHz. I remember on a 430VX intel chipset motherboard when I did this and at the same time enabled UDMA on the IDE controller my Win95 installation would corrupt every time I overclocked the bus to 83MHz, due to the PCI bus running out of spec. However, when I changed it from UDMA back to PIO Mode 4 it worked fine. 75MHz was no problem with UDMA enabled though. The higher FSB on these socket 7 motherboards really improved the performance by a considerable amount. Probably because the L2 Cache was on the motherboard

[@RetroSpector78]

The PR200 seems to overclock fine to 75x2.5 (PR233) but on these socket 7 boards its next to impossible to get temperature readings. So not really sure how far I want to push it.

[@pc-sound-legacy]

Nice vid, mate! I'm pretty sure the ps/2 connector is for the mice and not for the keyboard - did you give it a try? Together with the ATX power connector and the SD ram slots it is is a good board to built a retro system with newer components. The CPU is in great condition. And the ALS100+ soundcard offers great compatibility with DOS games, sadly most of them are pretend to be noisy. Cheers

[@RetroSpector78]

You may be right ... i thought the ps/2 would have a header on the mainboard. Didn’t try it as the motherboard would stay in this AT case.

[@osgrov]

I remember this case well, but without the front door. Maybe that was an option. :) You're right though, it's a gorgeous case. Very typical of the time, and well-built!

[@Nimmo1492]

4:32 - How dare you call me that!

[@Fuzy2K]

NO U

[@achaycock]

I was taking a swig of my tea and looked up to see that 4:30 I nearly choked. A small correction for you at 10:52 - the original Pentiums had 16Kb L1, the MMX variants have 32Kb L1 which was where their real world performance boost came from

[@RetroSpector78]

Next video will start with some errata :) thx a lot to you and all the others for pointing them out.

[@hqqns]

@@RetroSpector78 I'm unaware if it has been mentioned elsewhere in the comments but in your video you say that the isa bus is 32 bit - when I think you meant 16 bit. Also the HDD has the size written on it 3.27 GB bottom right. Great videos from you, well done and thanks for sharing.

[@RetroSpector78]

Thx a lot ... still lots of room for improvement but I’ve got the best viewers / subscribers ... I’ll dedicate my next video to you guys and sum up the mistakes + corrections that got into this one :)

[@clintthompson4100]

Awesome video(watched it first on my Roku KZbin App) I have a strangly similar Matsonic Socket 7 Board with the AT and ATX connectors but with the PC-66 Dimms filled instead of the 72 pin ram sockets and a K6-300 Mhz processor. I should put in a spare sound card(mine has a built in sound chip but not a fan of onboard sound cards) and video card and hard drive and see if the crazy things still works since it been put away for a few years now. Again awesome video and thanks for reminding me of mine.

[@scheitinjebroek]

Its a 3.24 GB harddrive, judging from the modelnumber and the black sticker on the bottom right

[@ΓιώργοςΠαρασκευάκης-ν7ε]

i had 1.0GB back then with a 90Mhz intel pentium 1 (lol) don' remember memory

[@HuntersMoon78]

I have a couple of those IBM CPU's in my collection.

[@EternalxFrost]

Funny, I never really could use my 6x86 PR166 CPU on Windows 98.The one I used 15 years ago could install and run Win95 no problem, but I never could get Win98 setup to start. Always got that '' Invalid DPMI return. '' message after loading the first part of the setup with the GUI. It just went straight back to DOS with that error message. I never really bothered to search deeper for the root of the problem, just swapped it out for a Pentium MMX 233 MHz and the setup started flawlessly.

[@JVHShack]

The ps/2 port is actually the mouse port.

[@RetroSpector78]

Correct ... should have tested my theory :) I thought the ps/2 port would have come with a bracket (like the serial / parallel ports). Honest mistake ...

[@EternalxFrost]

@@Korstre Yep, I remember having a PS/2 header on my first socket 5 motherboard for a PS/2 bracket. Keyboards didn't work. Only mice.

[@bpoolxantx15]

I so loved my Tandy pc i had...cant remember what model it was, had 5.25" floppy drive and dos 3.30..with cool games. Great Video...👍

[@Levy_Wilson]

Those little ports right under the power supply, that look like they break out, do those have a name? What are they used for?

[@RetroSpector78]

I think they are called knock outs as another viewer mentioned here in the comments.

[@AugurIliKur]

Multi-IO cards did not have enough space to put all of their ports on the card slot. So you would get a bunch of DB connectors or whatever on long cables that went into the case knockouts. USB ports didn't exist when that case was made so you needed 4 serial ports, 2 parallel ports, a SCSI port and other stuff. Nicer cases these days still have them. Though most cards now just use multiple card slots as needed. Card slots were at a premium back then because they were often shared between PCI and VESA/ISA slots (that is, you often had both types of slots behind each slot cover and could use only one or the other).

[@Levy_Wilson]

If a modern case has them, can they be used instead to mount additional USB ports? They appear to allow you to mount ports with screws, so something like this might work? i.imgur.com/JJ9WpmP.jpg

[@skilletpan5674]

If you have access to a 3d printer you could print a socket to put the usb into.

[@altbeetle]

15:20 it's not a mistake? not 32 bits, isa has only 16 bits

[@RetroSpector78]

yeah ... slip of the tongue .. no idea why I said 32 bit ... if you watch some of my other videos it should be clear I know that ISA is 8/16 bit :)

[@ΓιώργοςΠαρασκευάκης-ν7ε]

how do u connect cd rom to soundcard ?(i have never done it - i always connected through ide back in the days)lol brings memorys and questions ! ty

[@euclideszoto997]

Use a zip drive instead of a fake drive or a super disk drive. Love the machine!

[@retros4168]

So how can this close/open mechanism be repaired? I do have the same problem over here. Where can I get spare replacements parts for this mechanism?

[@JorgeCarvalho_web_dev]

PR means Performance Rating not Pentium Rating. It means that the rating performance is 200, I dont know the performance of P1@200

[@RetroSpector78]

Correct. Thx for pointing that out.

[@alexandrecouture2462]

PR is supposed to be the number of mhz a Pentium cpu should run to have the same performance, so a Pentium 133mhz would have a PR of 133.

[@nneeerrrd]

It's called performance rating officially 'cause Intel holds Pentium trademark. But unofficially in daily talks it was Pentium Rating for sure :)

[@wfp9378]

5:55 Actually....the sound card is a bit of a Gem. I usually replace SoundBlaster Pros with it because it is probably the most compatible cards for SB Pro emulation AND has a wave table header. I base the compatibility on one game. Gary Grigsbys Carrier Strike. It appears to have been hard coded for the SB Pro using IRQ 7 for sound. And many a card fails to run sound on this game. Not so the ALS100. Also the Ultima 6 sound track sounds superb. The one bug bear with it is the location they put the wave table header. On one of my cards it is perfect and i have a GM board attached. On the other it is located ridiculously low, much like yours appears to be so is totally useless.

[@paveljelinek772]

Have you tried to oc the CPU playing with jumpers??? It could go up to 5x83Mhz i think (pushing a whoppin 3.3V to the CPU of course).. edit: sorry max multip. is 3 so 83*3 is equal to whoppin 250Mhz (i wonder if 2.9V would suffice, i guess it's enough)

[@rcajavus8141]

ibm branded 6x86 was sold really short time, only half year. I see it was introduced in feb 1996 so this thing was "configured" that spring, summer!

[@ratoalado8850]

That forgotten header should be 2 usb ports.. a lot of boards of that era had these, but we hadn't usb periferals at the time... That headers arent standard, so you need to check the 5V and GND, and guess the D+/-

[@madson-web]

I had one 233mhz. Nice machine.

[@ray_sattler]

Nice Video. I would need a video on how to fix such a door mechanism^^ Sadly my old 2003 Alienware has the same issue on the front door :(

[@RetroSpector78]

Well I have another case with the exact same issue. It is the big tower version of the case that was shown here. Perhaps I'll take a look at it in a future video.

[@MarkTheMorose]

Go to a hardware store and buy a magnetic catch, the type that holds furniture cabinet doors closed. All you need is the metal plate, really. Find a slim magnet, perhaps from a broken 2.5" hard drive. Glue the plate to the door, and the magnet to the case. Job done.

[@ray_sattler]

@@MarkTheMorose Then i would need to cut off the part of the door mechanism that sticks out. I dont want to ruin my alienware case if there is a possibility to repair it. But thanks, thought of something like that myself. The next problem is, how do you open the door when it is closed with a magnet?

[@MarkTheMorose]

@@ray_sattler I think the black catch on the door just pushes in to fit, you may be able to remove it with pliers. As to the magnet, I realise now that it wouldn't work on that case without some modification. The case I used one on had a 'key lock' as well as the catch, so I could just turn the key to unlock, turn the key back slightly, then pull on it to open the door. With this retro case you'd have to cut a neat 'finger divot' out, or fashion a little tab to pull the door open.

[@ray_sattler]

@@MarkTheMorose The Alienware also has a key lock, but i can`t find the keys, maybe i find them someday^^

[@duderobi]

my Advanced Logic soundcard had an annoying hum it was hard to get rid off. So I changed it 1997 to a Soundblaster 64 awe.

[@chuck2501]

I thought those Extended ISA Slots were 16bit apposed to the 8bit shorter slots?

[@RetroSpector78]

Correct ... slip of the tongue :(

[@RobertoCorreaEdwards]

What a beauty!!

[@Edman_79]

This really is gorgeous! :D

[@somegreenguy]

really nice looking case not sure if i would use gorgeous to describe it, but those gold ceramic cyrix/ibm cpus certainly are

[@gabrielebiffi9018]

Do your friend a favor and slap in a USB controller card, I always do that with Pentium class machines with Win98 😄 Maybe an Ethernet card too. They make a lot easier to move files.

[@ΓιώργοςΠαρασκευάκης-ν7ε]

these boards have intermediate layers or have only bottom and top? ty

[@pete8475]

Those old fujitsu drives are bombs waiting to go off. Fujitsu recalled a ton of their desktop hard drives in North America and even started paying people out instead of replacing them.

[@2dfx]

That was more towards the end of their consumer line of drives in the early 2000's. This drive was before that time.

[@pete8475]

@@2dfx Fair enough.

[@morantaylor]

Hard drive is a 3.2GB. I still have my 686 PR200 CPU motherboard ram etc. It was rebuilt into a AT desktop a couple of years ago :) The 686 has an FPU but is on par with a 486, Quake was the killer for the Cyrix CPU's if you were not using a 3D card such as 3DFX.

[@jjjacer]

wow that was similar in components to the acer aspire i had (same hard drive, well mine was 2gb) but it also used a IBM CPU PR150. Never knew Acer had a standard AT case system (i see the acer logo on that motherboard) as all the acer desktops and towers i saw during that time had non standard boards.

[@RetroSpector78]

Acer (via a subsidiary) is responsible for the popular ALi Aladdin chipset found on socket 7 mainboards used in clone pc’s. Some of them have an ALi logo, others have the Acer logo.

[@theannoyedmrfloyd3998]

If your computer is showing you a screen on shutdown saying it's safe to turn it off, reset the CMOS. I did that on my Gateway Win98SE desktop and on shutdown that screen no longer comes up. I needed to clear the CMOS password to check the BIOS to see if it understood Japanese 1.2MB floppies.

[@RetroSpector78]

Really ? This shut down screen is so burnt into my memory I assumed it was normal for windows 95 / 98 systems. The computer did have a brand new coin cell and I did reset the bios.

[@nneeerrrd]

11:10 wrong. It's not lacking an FPU, it's just has not a pipelined one hence it suffers from terrible performance in an FPU heavy applications, e.g. Quake.

[@RetroSpector78]

Yeah came out wrong I guess... meant to say something like lacking in FPU performance. Will correct it in the next video. Thx to you and the rest for pointing out these mishaps ... hope you enjoyed the rest of it...

[@nneeerrrd]

@@RetroSpector78 I do really enjoy your videos ☺ Thank you for owning the mistakes. It's a bold move in these days. All the best from Ukraine 🇺🇦

[@RetroSpector78]

@@nneeerrrd No worries .... Thx a lot & right back at ya.

[@nneeerrrd]

@@RetroSpector78 Thanks :)

[@alexmaicu5523]

wish PC's were made like this today! Have a graphics card just like that!

[@lycanananas_sq5fox]

It was possible to have car navigation in 1998. I have Renault Laguna from 1998 with Carminat 6000 navigation which is Renault branded Philips Carin 520. Also have Renault Safrane from 1999 with same navigation. Latests maps are from 2012.

[@SrWolf90]

Nice chipset with the Acer brand name and logo. They are more frequent to see chipsets with the name of Ali or Aladdin.

[@RetroSpector78]

Yeah ... never put 2 and 2 together and realise Ali was a division of Acer.

[@juniorbcm5375]

My first PC had this exact same hard disk model, it's a 3.2Gb size.

[@eddiehimself]

Those fake disk drives remind me of old houses here in the UK where they painted in windows to avoid paying extra taxes on your house, which was based on the number of windows you had for some reason.

[@BryanChance]

OMG, that Route66 map, so primitively savage way of navigation. LOL reminds me of the old simple ways.. LOL

[@habibal-faraj8586]

As far as I remember, that PR rating was based on Winstone business benchmark. You can tell that from their adverts which show a Winstone chart in every app of the cpus. This benchmark was used by PC Magazine, and it measures performance of office applications mainly. Cyrix 6x86s weren't as good as pentiums in most senarios. Cyrix equipped their cpus with more L2 cache and run them on FSBs that are higher than intel. This resulted in Cyrix cpus to perform in business applications similar to intel at lower cpu frequencies. However, they were far inferior to intel in almost everything other than office applications, especially games with need a lot of FPU horse power.

[@lactobacillusprime]

Interesting system. Didn't realize you were Dutch / Belgian. I am from the Netherlands myself.

[@WildDiamond07]

Will it run Crysis?

[@blairlohnes8103]

I have both a Cyrix 6x86mx pr200 and a Pentium MMX 200... I'm sure your friend will thank you. ;)

[@gpowerdragon9852]

so you like retro Tech you better check out for leaky capacitors those can make the traces on the boards really rusty and break

[@RetroSpector78]

True ... but caps on this board looked really clean.

[@kokodin5895]

i would add those 2 missing ram chips to that graphic adapter 1mb cs 2mb of ram is like 1024x768 in 256 color and 16 bit color difference then again i did exactle to horizon 64+ ' s and s3 trios

[@fnglert]

I'd love to have a Super Socket 7 system ....

[@dan2800]

can you overclock it with multiplyer

[@bundesautobahn7]

I WANT THAT HIGHSCREEN 386SX!!!!!! The only Highscreen computer we had was a 486 DX2-66 in one of those huge Colani towers.

[@RetroSpector78]

I really liked those Colani cases. Remember browsing through computer magazines and seeing them. Had an amiga back in the day and we were planning on getting a computer. Was fun comparing systems, cpu speeds, memory .... ended up getting a clone 486dx2 66 built by a classmate computer wizz in highschool :)

[@RetroSpector78]

Oh ... and the highscreen computer contains a pentium :) was a bit disappointed about that but have a downgrade video to a 386 on my todo list.

[@mathiasdreke180]

The black slots are 16-bit ISA slots, not 32 bit.

[@RetroSpector78]

Yeah .. no idea why I said that.

[@MaxiMuM1441]

you probably have these stripes on the screen because your vga cable is faulty. i had the same years ago when i still used vga

[@RetroSpector78]

They are all new cables (hdmi and vga). But will do a separate video on how I do capturing so you can have a better view if what I use (and how I use it)

[@mark12358]

Nice, it has two slot for floppy drives.

[@BandanazX]

That thing was begging to be overclocked. Some liquid metal thermal compound, over volt, bigger cooler. It would be epic.

[@GGigabiteM]

The Cyrix 6x86 architecture did not clock scale well, which is why they introduced a PR scheme to compare their lower clocked parts to higher clocked Pentiums. IBM was well aware of Cyrix and their aggressive push on clock speeds since back in the 486/586 era and had opted to more conservatively rate the parts they had their brand name on. They also consumed far more power than similarly clocked chips from Intel and AMD, and had severe stability problems owing to using weird non-standard bus speeds like 75 and 83 MHz. You may be able to get a few extra MHz on an IBM part, but you'd need a board with non-cascaded bus clocks and a more granular control on the FSB clock. Most boards from the time had fixed FSB clock increments of 60, 66, 75 and 83 MHz, which cascaded to the memory PCI and ISA clocks and threw them far out of spec.

[@jonchapman6821]

@@GGigabiteM absolutely, I had a Cyrix/IBM PR233MX back in the day and I couldn’t squeeze anything extra out of it 👎🏻

[@ropersonline]

2:35: _"Deze_ computer" I bet you Dutchies went _nuts_ joking about computers back in school, am I right?

[@GuybrushThriftweed]

Don't call us Dutchies! They live above us :)

[@ropersonline]

@@GuybrushThriftweed Okay, so what do you call people who speak Dutch, irrespective of nationality?

[@GuybrushThriftweed]

@@ropersonline Depends if you consider Flemish a language :) Personally, since there are differences between the two and even though we understand each other most of the time,I don't consider myself a Dutchie. But this is a retro channel ;)

[@ropersonline]

@@GuybrushThriftweed Soo... Flemings?

[@GuybrushThriftweed]

@@ropersonline Ja :)

[@user78405]

lot of time cyrix had catchy name but specs are bizarre to me...what good with extra cache but running half speed than Pentium or AMD do not run half speed FPU...until they got full speed FPU that be after VIA bought them and rebrand them C3 from MIII was in process finalize ...it do show promising returns but it was very late when pentium 4 starting have 2 threads and 4 threads later on...while AMD was doing their thing with x64 bits ...while CYRIX C3 is not

[@NSHG]

Funny how there's a PCChips inside it. Would've expected either a PCI 486 or at least some 430TX machine, not a cheap PCChips.

[@amurtigress_mobile365]

Ohh this board screams "PC Chips" all over with that flashy blue-yellow sticker on the BIOS and the KA.something switchmode controller (?) next to the CPU socket. I had one of those back then and I was terribly disappointed, and they were like rock bottom quality and price wise. Nothing like ASUS, Chaintech etc. back then. Only one store in my town had those, and I gave it a shot. It was a PC Chips M570 board, and two of them died within a month. After one free warranty replacement I gave up and asked my money back. As was found later, some of their boards were coming with fake cache chips, even. :(

[@AdamChristensen]

Nice

[@jonchapman6821]

I got fooled by that “Pentium rating” back in the day and bought an IBM/Cyrix PR233MX instead of an Intel chip 🤦🏻‍♂️ 9 months or so later and I’d had enough, I bought an Intel 233MMX and that thing was sooooo much better!

[@DxDeksor]

You like that case ? Well I have the same one ... but MUCH bigger :DI can fit a AT size motherboard in it (I mean AT, not Baby AT !). The case offers no less than SIX 5"1/4 bays :D Interesting to see that they've made a smaller model ! Unfortunately mine is in a poor shape : the PSU (which is not a standard shaped PSU) is dead and the case is full of rust, so I need to clean that and maybe paint it. Since there's a black/white thing with this case, I believe painting the inside in black would look best :D

[@DxDeksor]

You can view pictures of it here : www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=50906

[@RetroSpector78]

Have the exact same one :)

[@DxDeksor]

@@RetroSpector78 Oh very nice !! I get why you "get rid" of that one then :) (though I'd love to have both sizes xD)

[@easycompzeelandold2521]

Dutch for the WIN!

[@RetroReviewYT]

I’d recommend 98lite for that system as there’s only 16 mb memory.

[@nathanmead140]

or upgrade to 32MB

[@skilletpan5674]

Run os/2 v3 or os/2 v4 and 16mb of memory is fine.

[@peterfrank1105]

In den guten alten Tagen hatten wir unseren Aral Straßenatlas und sind immer angekommen........

[@marinedalek]

I had this case! The door eventually fell off if I remember correctly -.-

[@BlenderRookie]

That's a 3.2GB hdd 5400 rpm with a rated speed of 33MB per second.

[@user78405]

i had m2 before just ...it run poorly for quake and quake2...so i found a pentium 233...back my days ..it was great find when i was younger and replace crap emachine chip with pentium that cost me nothing since my teacher was gonna throw away the computers when school upgrading to pentium 3 dell..it was old but works well during my freshmen class until i have it my hands during junior-senior years when i have networking class..before that i was for basic computer class during freshmen first year...same teacher...after i finish HS....i went to college ..i bought me Compaq came with Athlon 1 ghz ..but it was also cheap and crap..so i also found pentium 3 tulatin during my colledge class...they were in process upgrading to intel core processor units..i really don't know what is...but pentium 3 in my hands just like the dell computers...it ran great during my time but sad to my disappointment it didn't last long after few overclocks so i went buy HP that came with core 2 quad..it was actual first buy of computer honestly..with saving i made during my years now i can afford it ...

[@easycompzeelandold2521]

Mainboard? Motherboard!

[@Martin_Skywatcher]

No cooling paste ?

[@Martin_Skywatcher]

@@lowbudget780 Apparently, I have not seen that before

[@BaumInventions]

Back in the day it was pretty common to not use thermal paste... one cpu generation before you didnt even need active coolers, and before that they ran without cooling... Thats the great thing about evolution... (things get better sometimes) :D

[@RetroSpector78]

Martin Skywatcher would be interesting to hear people’s thoughts on this. Was definitely not needed back in the day, but wonder if it would have a positive effect on the cpu lifespan today.

[@charlesdorval394]

Wasn't a thing for a long time, but I agree it does looks strange looking at it with today's eyes

[@nickwallette6201]

Wouldn't hurt to use a little of the cheap white grease. :-) Particularly if the sink gets more than a little warm.

[@stranger.granger]

Let me know if you need another friend. =)

[@manvindarsingh]

Can you pair 1080ti with it?

[@urdnal]

4:28 You'd almost think it was Scottish, the way that sentence starts

[@RetroSpector78]

Not seeing it :) But being Dutch makes me somewhat bias :)

[@maniatore2006]

in 1:28 I already knew. that can only a ATI graphics card

[@garyslatter9854]

I remember thous grey ribbon cables

[@jonbuzzerio2047]

i have a computer that has that same mainboard

[@alex1520]

Why not try some other operating systems on these machines? ;) OS/2 or maybe Linux :)

[@WildDiamond07]

Or Mac OS 9...

[@Dxrk1970]

You have very good English