Return Of The Cartridge Game - This Week In Retro 188

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@005AGIMA Ай бұрын

YAY It's Ben. He commented on my video on the 2600+ because I bothered to note the smell of the plastics , and he took the time to explain WHY it smells legit. Awesome bloke :D I really appreciate the work gone in, and the playing to the retro fans at a very reasonable price. God I sound like a sponsor but I'm not. I love what they're doing in this space. Great work Ben.

@WhatHoSnorkers Ай бұрын

Another lovely chat folks.

@Vanessaira-Retro Ай бұрын

Great show. Thank you for the work you guys put in.

@Stjaernljus Ай бұрын

for the harddrive reliability problem use the 3-2-1 backup stratergy, 3 copies on 2 media types at least 1 offsite.

@keyboard_g Ай бұрын

Indeed. Raid and drive redundancy is NOT a backup. Bit rot can occur. Dataloss via an action or virus can occur. Please see 3-2-1 rule of data backups. 3 copies of data on 2 different formats with 1 offsite (like a service). SSDs will NOT last longer than a HDD. In fact its the opposite. In cold storage and SSD will start to lose its capture of the voltages in cells where magnetic writes on an hdd will last.

@firsteerr Ай бұрын

the thing about all this is i was interested in carts especially the spectrum ones for some time and that lead me down a road of figuring out and researching various methods of recreation , which has lead to me learning about eproms pcb design and 3D printing !! i really need to get me hole at some point

@PhantomHarlock78 Ай бұрын

In the case of Atari homebrew scene what is annoying is how often they release cartridge only, or link the digital version with buying the cartridge, just to make the game "more valuable". In the end become a new game that few people will play, thus being more about the cartridge itself than the game.

@jamesmelody Ай бұрын

My wife got a FREE* computer from an ISP around 2001 or so. The ISP went bust before even taking the first payment and told her she could keep the computer anyway.

@PG-gs5vb Ай бұрын

For the first (?) time, rees did not repeat the first question fired at him, yey! Also, hyped about your guest, I just starteng watching!

@radicalbyte Ай бұрын

If you have a Synology NAS you can use Glacier Backup to backup your data to AWS glacier. I use this for our photos / videos. The monthly costs are very very low. Restore is fairly expensive, but that's fine as it's only there for the 0.01% chance your lose two parity disks.

@NorthWay_no Ай бұрын

The biggest problem with spinning rust is shutting down the drives and letting them sit. It is not unheard of that they will crash onto the platter or just stick to it and refuse to spin up next.

@ukSMP74 Ай бұрын

I have 35 year old Quantum SCSI drives still working in my VR machines! - But I`ve had Seagate drives die within a year!!!! - Although, I DO Seagate NAS drives in my Synology. Saying that, I`ve had 2 Seagate NAS drive failure in 5 years....but both within the RMA, so both a good thning and a bad thing!

@p_mouse8676 Ай бұрын

The 3-5 years number comes from the warranty I think? Most of the time it's only the lubrication that dries up. There are actually quite some scientific papers on this stuff. I personally prefer those over internet blogs. So it's kinda strange that people keep circle referencing. It takes no time to get proper information.

@nickwallette6201 Ай бұрын

The large-scale data is interesting, but I'm mostly interested in my own practical experience. For me, 5 years is practically new. Drive failure is a complicated subject. There are a lot of causes. Some of them tend to weed out bad drives fairly quickly. Some of them occur due to environment or handling. Some of them are inevitable from hours in operation. Some of them are due to age. Some of them are due to usage pattern, but I tend to agree that this is mostly an issue of "has it been run regularly, or has it sat in an anti-static bag for 10 years?" Although that's not necessarily a death sentence either. So, having someone quote "a number" for expected lifespan is almost meaningless. It's really down to luck and bit of statistics. For us retro fans, 80s and 90s HDDs are on borrowed time, and we may as well enjoy them while we can, because they won't be with us forever. New drives will either live or fail based on chance, and with some possibility of that model (or batch or whatever) being a lemon. If they survive 3 years, they'll probably be fine for several more. Drives in between are down to usage (hours), handling, and luck.

@KrisGraney Ай бұрын

I think the first thing PlayOn should tackle is a proper backup process for Ben!!

@MarcKloos Ай бұрын

*Plaion

@retroethos Ай бұрын

I want to see an Intellivision+ that takes physcial carts.

@bernardopaul7861 Ай бұрын

Dear Sirs : The rationale given for persecuting the 4000-in-1 bundles in the name of protecting official compilations brings back memories of the early days of on-line video when streaming suscriptions where not yet widely available. Now, companies like Netflix and Max offer only a handful of choices, just like Nintendo's and Sony's game archives. The official channels are very lazy in general, excepting true believers like Atari/Plaion , GOG , the Evercade people and Retrogames Ltd.

@Waifu4Life Ай бұрын

I'm all for downloading old games to play on emulators, FPGAs and flash carts, but I'm against people selling them as repros, ROM dumps, etc.

@paulladdie1026 Ай бұрын

The problem with those "Tiny" computers, was they were, the same size as, all the rest 🙂

@Savagetechie Ай бұрын

For long term storage I suspect tape is still the best.

@Lordborak316 Ай бұрын

Tape degrades really badly, slightest bad sector and it's done. Loads of knackered tape games, cart is most reliable never had a cart fail.

@Savagetechie Ай бұрын

@@Lordborak316 it's still the backup media of choice for some absolutely massive archives.

@nickwallette6201 Ай бұрын

I always hear that, but I wonder how many QIC80 tapes are still being read successfully. I guess it depends on your definition of "long term," but I have CD-Rs that are probably as old as any of the "massive archives" of tapes that anyone still cares about. I think, when business consider 7-10 years as near enough to forever, then sure... tape's fine. But let's not pretend that anything written to tape is going to be recoverable in 100 years. Maybe the mylar will be OK, but it'll have grown mold if kept in a humid region. If it uses bands or belts to tension the reels, those'll have parished. If it uses any plastic gears or sprockets or levers, those will crack and break. The drives will be ancient history, and nobody will have a replacement pinch roller for a 1GB tape drive anymore. Whatever interface it used will be something you can only find in a rural attic. The software that created it will be useless 8 years after it was last sold. For all the trumpeting about how tape is superior to optical discs, the relentless backward compatibility of optical drives has made that about the most dependable time machine you could buy. It's a real shame they're being jettisoned now.

@Savagetechie Ай бұрын

@@nickwallette6201 I have 40 year old tape now that still works and it hasn't been stored in a controlled environment it's a pile of cassettes... Pretty sure with controlled conditions 100 year storage is possible.

@Savagetechie Ай бұрын

@@nickwallette6201 "As of September 2020, the boundaries of tape technology have been further advanced with the news that by leveraging LTO-9 tape technology, the world’s largest tape library storage system now stores an industry-first exabyte (one million terabytes) of uncompressed data. With LTO-9 tape technology, and a maximum of 144 drives in this system, up to 207.4TB (518TB compressed) of data can be transferred per hour. This provides optimum storage density, scalability, reliability and affordability in the smallest footprint of any enterprise-class tape library." Now that's some pretty massive data storage and it's only set to get bigger with new lto generations.

@arcadeages3917 Ай бұрын

My weekly dose of “those kids are not afraid”

@ShishakliAus Ай бұрын

Those kids are NOT afraid of mumble mumble

@RandallHayter Ай бұрын

Technology has an American accent.

@gsestream Ай бұрын

switch is a cartridge machine.

@revolvant Ай бұрын

As soon as old mate has a break it becomes all atari. LOL

@MylesSmith-q4y Ай бұрын

Keep physical software alive

@MarcKloos Ай бұрын

It's not really "all this" if you reveal only 1 item 😁

@radicalbyte Ай бұрын

Copyright law really needs to be amended to allow redistribution of games which are >20 years old. Maybe with a longer time for games which are available to purchase.

@005AGIMA Ай бұрын

Why? Copyright protects a work for the life of the author + 70 years in most cases. What's wrong with that? Because we want it for free? Sorry but no.

@radicalbyte Ай бұрын

@@005AGIMA for 99.99999999999% of games from the 8/16 bit era no-one is making anything from them. Which is why expiry after a reasonable period but with a renewal (with strings attached) is awesome. It legalises what everyone considers right whilst handling the edge cases. Remember that copyright was originally much lower, it has only been extended due to lobbying from Hollywood (mainly Disney).

@radicalbyte Ай бұрын

As for the why? For preservation of our culture. That is extra important with videogames as the underlying technology and DRM make preservation much harder. Everything we have so far is done by the fans.

@005AGIMA Ай бұрын

@@radicalbyte Preservation is not the same as making freely available though. Preservation would be a curated library with a limited number of loans based on returns. That is preservation. Anything else is piracy and I'll die on the (legally founded) hill ;)

@radicalbyte Ай бұрын

@@005AGIMA I agree, the problem is that the law is not fit for purpose. I say this as someone working in the industry whose income is dependent on copyright. The current copyright law for any media are insane - life + 70 is not reasonable for anything.

@djm9937 Ай бұрын

funnily enough, i was wishing to know how long a HDD would last and whether i should use an SSD in my Xbox One X

@OntologicalQuandry Ай бұрын

Sorry, I enjoy this podcast, but the section about hardrive MTTF was an exposé of the utter ignorance in the retro community. No discussion of use rates, no discussion of thermal effects, no discussion of refreshing storage arrays, no discussion of types of failures, no discussion of reliability of data storage on the platter, no understanding of the inherent flaws of NAND flash and how it is inferior for long-term storage. Instead there was just fear at lost data. The most reliable long-term storage mankind has invented so far are clay tablets and even they aren't forever. Think of how much information has been lost since we were first able to commit our thoughts to matter. Additionally, the discussion of the pirate games showed no understanding of intellectual property theft and profiteering from pirating. It's such a shame because this podcast is of such high quality, but I suppose it can't be like that all the time.

@duncanstyles133 Ай бұрын

Well just like most storage media, nobody is infallible.

@JesterEric Ай бұрын

Pity the 2600+ was such a disappointment as released. Colour reproduction for Pal games was disappointing and many Pal 7800 games did not even work. I certainly won't be buying the 7800+. Original hardware and CRT is the gold standard

@RandallHayter Ай бұрын

This podcast, the team talked about the Atari 2600 and a 1978 release date, but I remember it as the VCS and 1977. I started to doubt my memory and went looking for Atari history. Seems my memory is accurate at least according to “Racing the Beam” which is a fascinating book. The 2600 rebranding happened when the 5200 was released, which makes some sense as their other products were numbered.