Return of the Holy King! Shadowlands 9.0 Retribution Paladin Guide

[@GoreGaming]

the night fae ability and interaction with Niya's soulbind ability was completely changed on launch from what was tested in beta. What happened? The biggest change is to Niya's soulbind ability and its interaction with our Night Fae ability. Previously, it gave a small mastery buff with low up time and only procced with Blessing of Summer. On live it now procs for 30 seconds on every blessing giving about a 66.7% uptime on 150 mastery + the random procs of 25-50 mastery throughout. This change will make night fae competative sim-wise with Venthyr throughout mythic launch. No more different gaps in power at multiple points during progression. Current sims are showing Venthyr is still slightly ahead, but it is now marginal (within about .5%). How does this affect me? This should not affect you nor should it mean you need to reconsider your choice. Although the damage differential between Night Fae and Venthyr has been alleviated the reasons to choose Venthyr over Night Fae remain what they are for high level raiding/m+. Venthyr teleport is still going to be stronger than night fae for raid due to the abillity to teleport to and back from the add platforms on Sire Denathrius. Additionally, you still are incurring the weakaura tracking + 4 GCD rotation cost of night fae in addition to tracking other player's cds to use optimally. TLDR night fae can be competitive in damage/utility but it will be significantly harder to play. Which is better? Ultimately, this will come down to feel and how much damage will be lost during actual play. If you are not great at GCD management, NF will wreck you on how much damage you do vs how it sims. Similarly, if your tank trolls you and moves everything out of your venthyr ground aoe, you can also lose a bunch of damage. If your goal is to be a parselord, venthyr is still the way to go as you will do slightly more.

[@rocketleaguer2087]

Thanks so much. Shadowlands is my first ret pally and this was super helpful. Loving the class so far

[@HanLee-j1c]

Cxcx

[@ajamchomp]

great guide and very informative. I'm sure you've noticed your mic volume dipping up and down though?

[@silkwormify]

Awesome guide brother. Keep up the good work!

[@xamusawesomeone3422]

thanks mate, nice video. Really enjoy your videos! You deserve more subs for sure.

[@marekrolinec2079]

Thanks for your insight. Enjoyed your video and it sure helped me. Have a nice rest of the day.

[@jonedington846]

I have so much to learn.

[@nowluishi]

Great content! Thank you so much! but please get a better mic, it would be a shame with no clear voice for such good content!

[@thiagoguimaraes3629]

Thanks so much man, u just bring peace to my pour soul

[@nincar1]

At around 7:38 I nearly fell out of my chair whilst hearing this at 5am lmao

[@ItsameaMario15]

This video is so great and full of amazing information. However, the audio and stumbling on words make it a little hard to watch. Keep up the great work and thanks for going into such detail.

[@KingNukem211]

Solid advice! Thanks

[@therealz5896]

Great guide as always mate. thanks for getting this out before the expac drops!

[@nikospilios1706]

True Gold thank you.

[@CipherKilledit]

Cool! I'm feeling it

[@OmenAnime]

great video love all the hard work!

[@dumorte]

Neeeeerrrrrrrrrd! Thank you for this. I love you.

[@mochiboot6502]

Good video but the audio quality could be improved: look into "audio compression" to ensure the volume of your voice remains consistent :)

[@TheDimaseR]

thank you very much!

[@selimkazanc7028]

I highly disagree with what you said about Night Fae and I've also read your description. Night Fae sims as good as Venthyr for ST. For AoE, you really need multiple targets to make Divine Toll shine whereas with NF you bring so many utilities to the group (healer getting 10% bonus, slowing mobs movement and attack speed, recovering CDs faster etc.) so it's way better than being pure DPS and you lose insignificant amount of DPS. For utility, NF is way better than Venthyr as Venthyr utility can be canceled in PvP and some raid mechanics easily while with NF, you can run through your target and escape from immediate threats (whether PvP or PvE) quickly. I think some paladins don't want to push "more" buttons to bring group more utility while not losing a significant DPS at all.

[@GoreGaming]

not sure what sims you are looking at, but the sims i've seen have a few % disparity. Additionally, from my actual testing, NF in reality both feels worse and most definately does less damage. It is also worth noting and understanding that sims this early into the xpac will be and are flawed and should be taken with a grain of salt. The only way you can truly know your current damage is to go hit target dummies a bunch of times and play through some dungeons. I won't speak to pvp since that isn't my forte but i can guarentee that Venthyr's teleport is significantly better for raid than night fae primarily due to the last boss you can tp onto the platforms and back. Night Fae cannot do that. At the end of the day it is the final raid boss that matters the most. Also Venthyr does provide utility. The heal from ashen hallow is very large.

[@shanietraps]

just getting started in SL =) any updates to the guide ?

[@Paulbarton1994]

Really good informative video! You mentioned that with Venthyr you’d be using less templars verdicts. Why is that?

[@GoreGaming]

Your question doesn't make any sense. Not sure where you got that idea from.

[@H3ppY_87]

hi Mate, very helpful video. Im new to this class und learned something here. But i got one Question. How do you push your haste? It always gets up. But mine doesn't... Can you tell me? (sry for bad english, not native)

[@soulgion]

Nice video, very helpfull for a new paladín like me. Which ui mod do you use?

[@MikePW]

Hey man, love the guide. Did all this info stay true for live launch? :P Especially interested about the legendary stuff.

[@GoreGaming]

Yup

[@potiler4755]

how do i even get The Mad Paragon? i've been serching everywhere and cant find anything of where to get it..

[@craigadams3649]

Its on wowhead.com I think

[@chumpincustardchops8343]

To all the people who have mocked me for staying loyal to my Ret Pally as my main... Haha!

[@war1980]

Ret palys are like a broken clock that is only right once a day...

[@chumpincustardchops8343]

@@war1980 The above video literally proves you're no good playing one if you think that. ;)

[@war1980]

@@chumpincustardchops8343 It doesn't. Keep simping though.

[@chumpincustardchops8343]

@@war1980 You are to Wow what young-earth creationists are to science. I suggest you take your finest class and challenge Gore to a duel. I think we all know that isn't going to happen. Shame because you could have proven your baseless, unscientific twaddle.

[@war1980]

@@chumpincustardchops8343 Ok nerd.

[@joakimsundstrom940]

Thanks for this, awesome guide! Do you have any plans to do anything for prot aswell?

[@CHosey219]

What addons are you using?

[@isaakmurillo2404]

Hey Gore, i've got a question, what potion are we rets using for raiding, been using the radibots tool but i don't know how to apply the oils to the weapon i'm being simmed on, so i don't know how precise is the data given by raidbots, if you could talk about general scenarios would be very useful, thank!

[@ginggeetv1207]

What add on is that for you holy power

[@GoreGaming]

Its a custom weakaura I made

[@boonhouse1367]

Final Reckoning got reverted back to 50% dmg increase, not 35% like they tried to change it at first.

[@jasonwang9578]

Finally!! Good stuff

[@ezequielproph3486]

How do I use sense undead?

[@huntergomes123]

Ty mate! Great content! o/

[@theworstpalaalive7768]

Much appreciated.

[@Symbolic32]

fucking finally, looking forward to ur upcoming videos man! ty

[@xshardy]

I don't agree in the with the shield. You can use a macro to change the weapont when the tank dies and you can tank the boss for a small time till they can get the tank up. That extra armor could help the group not to wipe. :) Of course it is a small chance to happen, but it can happen.

[@GoreGaming]

The effective HPS of using WoG as ret especially when using the talent to increase its effectiveness by 100% is many times higher than whipping out a shield to use the same 3 holy power to increase your armor given that WoG is essentially a 3 holy power Lay on Hands with no cooldown (but on the gcd). Also remember that a lot of the bosses, their damage is not only physical.

[@elijah9086]

Thanks

[@JA-vr1tz]

Hey! Great guide! What so sou Think of the reverted nerfs to es and fr

[@solrak1079]

DP, Seraphim or HA for single target?

[@GoreGaming]

DP

[@solrak1079]

@@GoreGaming thanks a lot

[@samel4779]

Really great guide, I loved it ! just one question, I really love M+ and I feel like Kyrian is vastly better for m+, am I gonna be losing too much dps raid wise ?

[@mattd971]

Lets go!!!!

[@xalex4ever]

I msotly play M+ with my Friends do you think Ret will be a Strong pick ?

[@GoreGaming]

yes! especially once you get Tempest of the Lightbringer, you should have the highest dps of all melee in the game for m+

[@xalex4ever]

@@GoreGaming ah nice ty ye i worry that i hold my boys back by picking Ret my 2nd choice is Shadow as a range what do you think about shadow? havent really heard much good either idk only for M+ ofc

[@user-ws9di5kp9h]

Thought they reverted the crit chance on execution?

[@GoreGaming]

they reverted the attack power nurf, not the crit. As of testing late last night post damage revert it does not crit.

[@thebunz7]

turn undead is clutch in torghast to stay in combat

[@virus4454]

So venthyr huh?

[@daveotto889]

So what are exactly the stats we need for retri? And how many % per each of them about?

[@PogTog]

It doesn't quite work like that. That's why there's a stat priority

[@hibachi1415]

Nah night fey is so good in PVP ret dmg is already really good just need that movement

[@GoreGaming]

Venthyr gets double the teleport distance, on a shorter cooldown, more on demand with 2 charges.

[@hibachi1415]

@@GoreGaming it takes way too long in areas you won't get that off just like wings it's super easy to counter. like its a cast blink

[@metaverse_hq]

Dang I really wanted to go NF :(

[@rickfolwarkow6401]

"Holy pally isnt looking great for raiding" lol, that sure has changed hasnt it

[@GoreGaming]

yup! I plan on doing an updated guide for 9.0.5

[@Bottlekap]

I don’t know if it’s just me but you seem to talk very slowly.

[@GoreGaming]

its on purpose for the guides.

[@otinaneotinane7409]

The wheelchair... xD lmfao!!!xD

[@eduardomario7412]

Clicker?