Holy Paladin Guide for Mythic+ [Shadowlands 9.0.2]

[@dathornir5850]

everytime you post one of these guides i have a STRONG urge to start yet another healer omg

[@tarisco614]

It's super helpful for me. I came back from vanilla about 1 month before SL and rolled a priest since I played Holy back in the day. Now I have spergs declining me for not being disc, and I do t like disc, so I'm leveling every healer out there. So far I love my 60 Shaman, got Druid to 55, Monk to 30 and Pally to 24. Cant quite tell which is my favorite.

[@Adam-jv4kj]

Really appreciated how in-depth but also relaxed this overview was. A lot of other guides I’ve looked at have left me feeling put off or apprehensive about choosing to run with Holy this season, but this put me at ease quite a bit and got me excited to finish gearing, so thanks!

[@yumytv]

Thanks for watching! I'll keep this pinned post updated if anything changes in the next few weeks. 1. There might be some value in running beacon of virtue. Ultimately you lose a lot of healing from not having beacon of light + glimmer but the burst healing you gain from virtue might be worth it in some situations. Since I didn't talk about virtue at all in this video, remember you can precast a heal before using virtue and the travel time will cause the precasted heal to heal with it. I don't think virtue is better but I'd recommend some testing and playing to see what you think. 2. In hindsight I think shock barrier is a better option for first leggo craft over relentless inquisitor. Its not a big difference however since pally is struggling a little bit with group healing right now, especially early on while gearing I think its better to favor healing power gain over damage. Another legendary I didn't mention in this video is mad paragon which is a bit less useful for healing than inquisitor but might be worth trying out for its gain on single target damage and higher wings uptime. If you are looking for my UI or party frames you can find links below: Holy Paladin Vuhdo profile: wago.io/ues9fmkie Holy Paladin UI Weakauras: wago.io/Q5YQeTSNvY

[@justchilldude434]

Hey having a fun time with my pally but everyone says it sucks. Any advise

[@justchilldude434]

Appreciate the content

[@bigdurkag]

Where in your WA are you keeping track of holy power.

[@Amatsuichi]

playing a healer since 2004... all classes... so far, Holy paladin in the Shadowlands is the worst healing experience I ever had... the TOTAL lack of aoe group healing is so bad compared to any other healing class, that anytime during heavy group damage u can just pray to all the gods so no one dies, while feeling almost helpless

[@unrokkbar]

@@Amatsuichi Im actually running M+6 in time with GS 185 and the only time i have problems in keeping the group alive is when the mechanics arent played properly and im only a beginner as a holy pala. Yeah sometimes its pretty rough healing Aoe group but for that you have to keep the divine toll ready or your wings and you dont have to forget that holy pala main force is the single target healing so its normal that other classes have better aoe group healing.

[@JMontaine]

You just saved me. I've only been playing since BfA and am now switching to the Holy spec from Ret. I'm extremely nervous, but there's a lot in here to help me. Thank you!

[@Goldmageman]

Love the guide, even more the perfect cut away right before getting hooked on Gorechop xD

[@zacharystanphill748]

I play with friends a lot. Retribution aura really helps me. We don’t time many keys though.

[@kale4987]

Really love this guide! It's cool to see what people are doing or recommending. I'm actually using Avenging Crusader (as of writing this), as I feel more comfortable with not only a reduced cooldown, but the heal that it gives when I hit with Judgement basically heals my party back up to full, so it's basically my panic button. It might be less HPS overall, I know but I feel its burst potential is far more and allows for much more situational and frequent use!

[@ozzyozzyoxenfree]

Literally just started healing on my paladin alt and was pretty confused on the play style. Thanks for the vid!

[@noxeman2010]

Just started healing for the same time on a brand new holy pally and it's overwhelming. Got mad respect for healers

[@cyrielroelofs]

@@noxeman2010 Just wait until you pug keys above +10. You'll find out that healers carry almost every group out there

[@Astral-Projector2389]

@@cyrielroelofs True, i finally decided to look at the numbers on details and also did a few runs as a prot paladin. I healed around 80-90% of selfhealing compared to the healer. Which is how a tank should play in mythic+ . If the healer is doing almost all healing and dps literally does 0 healing. Then they all suck. It's not you. It's them. Tbh, i watch a few POV's from the best healers(15-20+ keys) They are having the easiest time ever healing because everyone knows the dungeon, their role and how to use their class.

[@TheSoberCannibal]

Been looking forward to this one! I'm having a blast on hpal having never healed before.

[@garycannon4644]

Lucky you I have never been more miserable

[@badams2190]

@@garycannon4644 with hpal? what are your issues with it? I've been loving it at the end of bfa and still now in SL

[@garycannon4644]

@@badams2190 lack of any real aoe heal light of dawn is ugh, having to keep up glimmer on everyone ALL the time is really annoying also i really suck at melee healer because i tunnel vision like crazy

[@alyssaleanaxo]

Thank you for this guide! I'm new to h pala this expac and I'm excited to learn!

[@aure6898]

@yumytv I saw your comment on beacon of virtue, but I'm thinking I might disagree, what do you think of this: I just tested beacon of virtue over my last couple dungeons, and man, I quite like it I have to say. In heavy aoe damage in bfa situations, I could rely on my glimmers to keep my group alive (e.g. tantrum etc.), but I doubt that will work for pridefuls. Even if it does do a significant amount of overall healing, I've been thinking that it's too passive and doesn't do enough healing when it really matters. Beacon of virtue on the other hand is on a 15sec cd, and it even gives you holy power when casting flash of light or holy light, which synergizes well with infusion of light. It is a godsend when paired with kyrian toll, that is like 5 lay on hands if you heal that target without the beacon on it. Overall I've just found it makes for a much smoother and more reliable run where I am not struggling to have a CD leftover for every slightly sticky situation. I find myself pressing wings / HA / AM a lot less now than with the glimmer build, which gives me more options when we overpull or are otherwise faced with actual heavy incoming damage. The biggest downside to this is obviously the lack of DPS provided by glimmer as well as the loss of a real beacon, which like you mentioned can be quite useful to put on weaker team members like mages at times, so not having that option does suck. Still, I find having that huge healing boost every 15sec is powerful, given how weak the holy paladin throughput is currently. I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on this.

[@vladdavid6046]

Nice man. Feels good to have someone making guides for different classes, for the newcomers to the game

[@johnswift7932]

Love the content. New player and having ALL the respective abilities on screen when you're talking about them and keeping them up for a nice amount of time is so useful and makes its very enjoyable to watch! Keep up the great work :)

[@GruntOrBust]

As a paladin that last raided in Burning Crusade, wow...so much has changed. Holy Bat Boats. This guide has really helped me to adapt to the whole holy charge rotations etc. Especially considering since every group in non mythic just pulls half the zone at once lmao.

[@andieanderssen780]

Thank you so much for this upload! My main is a Holy Paladin, and I have no intention of swapping mains. The weaknesses are a fun challenge that I'm enjoying!

[@JorgeFAlencar]

Great work. I've been waiting for guides like this to be sure about my decisions. Since we are taking Kyrian as our covenant (for obvious reasons), there is one thing to point out. Our steward now sells Ethereal Pomegranate which is really handy. I loved everything, although I would use Beacon of Virtue early on M+ progression since it could be really a life safer with Divine toll, at least until everyone is familiar with the new dungeons, including myself. =D

[@zacharydunn6577]

I would definitely be interested in other high-level mythic plus guides for holy paladin. Thanks for what you've already put together here.

[@FATAsWOLF]

Really loving holy pally while taking a break from resto shaman and just the feeling of seeing big dam numbers while healing feels soooooo good

[@sodapop43920]

Part of me really does miss being able to just sit back and heal with pally tho.

[@cesarinnicoya]

I loved this guide. I´ve followed your druid guides since the beginning of this year and for SL I switched main to a Protection Pally and I Want to do Holy as off spec. >Thank you so much for this guide. I hope you have the time to do more.

[@superman2j3]

Avenging crusader has saved me and my group soooo many times. I would love an in depth decision between it and the alternatives. Its just really hard for me to put it down. Thanks!

[@Igelme]

If you like it better and feel better with it just use it. It's all up to you

[@rekieskatt]

Im not gonna put it down, for what? longer wings and holy shock reduction? no thanks! avenging crusader is way better

[@WKAFLKA]

The biggest thing is, as a crit build shocks are your biggest tool in the kit. So reduction during wings means no one dies and the big take away is you DECIDE who lives. AC is "smart" so it heals injured party members automatically, but lets say the tank is at 50%, you are at 50%, a dps is at 50%, and steve is at 10%, AC *could* just heal up you, the tank, and the dps, leaving steve to die. It just targets injured players and does not prioritize the lowest targets. With SW you can just click steve and make him full hp, and then crusader-click the tank, and crusader-click the dps and everyone is maxed, along with you being able to do it longer.

[@thunderball11111]

@@WKAFLKA during avenging your crusader strike is on a massively reduced cd and you consequently generate a huge amount of holy shocks and holy power which you can use to word of glory people and holy shock people if they’re low. Which tbh they won’t be because every time you hit crusaders strike you heal for about 17 billion

[@andrewdunlap2034]

Just picked up Hpally after maining Hpriest for a few months now. I never thought I would enjoy being a heal who's right in the thick of things, weaving in a lot of damage and having to dodge melee mechanics, but it's so fun! A mouse over macro or Clique are basically mandatory though, it's impossible to effectively heal the entire party with only one cone AOE heal.

[@JustJak]

Switching mains due to Blood DK being a hot mess and between you and Zmok I’ve been inspired to start healing again 🤘🏻 loving Holy Paladin and Resto Shaman so far

[@Tohdette]

I started playing a resto druid on launch, and then leveled my paladin after i completed all the mythic 0 dungeons. Because of this, i had a perspective when comparing resto druid healing capabilities to holy paladins. I must say, and this is in my humble opinion (not a glad player or anything like that), it felt so much easier to heal as a druid than a paladin. Even direct heals from the druid were much more powerful. I have a couple of questions for you, if you get a chance to respond would be great: 1. Do you prefer the melee dps meta a holy paladin has or would you prefer if blizzard changed paladins to become the more traditional healers like resto druids? (for example, they could make flash of light generate holy power to encourage its use and give paladins an option to go melee with crusader strike or just stay back and generate points for word of glory with flash of light). 2. I felt like flash of light was a very weak spell, so weak that it sometimes felt like i shouldn't be using it at all. Do you think blizzard should improve its healing to make it more useful? Personally, I'm more of a traditionalist when it comes to WoW healing and I miss when healers were pure healers instead of this new dps to heal meta that's happening with each class. I think it's why i had an easier time healing as resto druid, because although they can dps, there is no healing benefit from it.

[@nathansoper1831]

healing with resto druid is amazing. I feel the same vs. nearly every other healer, sans resto shaman.

[@fahimalammajumder2109]

Main holy paladin here. That's because that is how it is. Hpaladins are not known for their strong healings, but they have a lot of ways to make that one person survive (stronger in uni target healing), considering as well how close they are to the danger (their mastery) and the bunch of dmg they have. They are a ratio of 70% healing and 30% damaging while the others are easily 90%. If im honest with you... Healing with paladin can be overwhelming if your m+ team has 0 idea so if you can't live off that pressure, it might not be a good idea to roll that. Said in simpler words, is not a job for everyone, hell not even for a lot of healers. In PvP tho they are amazing but they sometimes get fkd by stronger comps like afli/shamresto/boomy, priest/rogue or retry/boomy.

[@TheColeTruth]

Resto has always seemed like the obvious healer choice (brez, utility, shadowmeld for Nelf, etc) but i almost feel like its too obvious. I like the unique flare and challenge a melee hpaly brings and its cool to do tons of DPS while healing. My resto is fun but it got kinda boring.

[@deadservers2374]

@@fahimalammajumder2109 actually when they made holy pally back in the day it was the strongest single target healer on the game period. But now a days we got a dps melee healer that barely heals lmao

[@roflpopzgaming7453]

This is the way I felt with DH tank. It felt more like a dps. It's the same feel I get with hpala. It's damn stressful to hit mob then heal player, hit mob, heal player, etc whilst having no chain heal like shaman or wild growth as druid.

[@jvahz5372]

Hey! I've been playing holy since last patch, now it will be my first full expa with them as a main, i agree on a lot of things, while in others i would go further into options, especially talents. On the second row while Judgment of light is the highest hps of that row, Prism isn't a bad option either, its true that is less hps, but gives great dmg for a filler ability, making it a pretty good choice when you have a low dps group who suffers from trash, or a little heal when you are facing the last mob of a pack. Blinding Light is the best option when you are overwhelm by trash, but if u cant kill them, you kill be dead anyways, making Fist of Justice a good choice too, when utility matters. Personally I prefer Rule of Law, is awesome when u have teammates who wont be close to you, like a caster comp, increasing the heal to them while not losing dmg at the same time cause of you positioning, but Unbreakable Spirit help you a lot when you are kinda new to the spec or the dungeon its particulary hard cause it lets you and your teammates make more mistakes for free, which is always great. And for last, Holy Avenger will help you more to have control on your character, you will decide when you will make more dmg and heal, great ability but needs knowledge, so if you are new, try Divine Purpose it will give you that boost, but at the cost of being on a chance, so its not that reliable Hope that help out you guys to play this spec in a way you enjoy or is more comfortable to you and remember, MANA WILL BE DEPLETED, so bring food with you

[@matheusmterra]

Can we get an update for this vid? And if possible if you can cover a bit on Venthyr playstyle it would be great. Love the content! Eager for more 😊

[@skitstorm5634]

Hi, my current main in shadowlands is a frost DK but I want a healer alt. I’m currently trying out mistweaver. I want to play m+, my top goal is +15. I want healing class that is fairly simple with not five million buttons to press. I tend to panic. I really like your guides, but if there’s one thing I’m missing with all guides from all content creators is a “don’t even bother putting this button on your action bar”. So regarding paladin, mw monk and holy priest (which are the healing specs I’m interested in) what abilities should I just ignore?

[@PedroHawk1]

How do you deal with party-wide heavy hitter bosses in tyrannical weeks??? Like the last boss from Halls of Atonement? Players need to soak 2 to 3 times, so you can't just pop all defensive cooldowns, and on high keys it feels like I can't heal people fast enough even with wings.

[@Nokturna_66]

I just came for the adorable cat picture at bottom 😍😍😍

[@jakepiper8101]

I love Glimmer for raids, but it feels weak for me in M+ (b/t wings of course lol). Yes, BoV is a bit bursty, but using Divine Toll + Avenging Crusader Judgements + BoV feels really smooth and covers my AoE weakness. BoV also makes Saved by the Light viable and POWERFUL. I find my single target CDs work just fine as a substitute for BoL. I've also been trying Bestow Faith to get even more burst with BoV, and its surprisingly effective! Both regular Wings and Av Crusader work really well with BoV, and I've been enjoying playing Awakening with this build as well. Very helpful guide! Appreciate the video :)

[@FreeLoadMechanics]

Hello Growl, friend here, whats your opinion on venthyr Hpally? Its viable? More complex for M+ because of the CD of the ability? Love the vids and the guides cheers

[@joakimsundstrom940]

Thanks for this! More guides diving into to every healer more would be awesome to see. Keep up the good work.

[@ce8539]

Y'all sleeping on virtue + prism, I've done all m0s both weeks and it's a breeze, awakening talent and divine purpose gives me more wings uptime than avenging crusader, untempered dedication for martyr with lower cooldowns on our defensive talent = insane filler when we dont have HP for WoG beacon shock WoG. Divine toll op, damage is insane and I solo people constantly even in pvp

[@0xan0]

Virtue is so good for dungeons/mythic. Watching this video just shows you why. With the glimmer build the whole party spends the majority of the time being hurt at like half hp. There is no room for error for your teammates. Virtue makes any party damage a breeze at only 15 sec cd. It cannot be ignored like it is in this video. "You don't have any tools to deal with pride. Encourage your team to use their cooldowns as well". Virtue laughs in your face.

[@Agent00abe]

Glad to see I’m not the only pala who doesn’t want to play glimmer in dungeons.Though it often feels like it. Especially with guides like this.

[@stefanobster2347]

Hey Growl, nice content as always! Can you consider a venthyr HPala guide aswell?

[@flame89942]

honestly resto druid has always been my go to for healing and i remember in BFA i tried out a holy paladin and fell in love with the class mechanics and i think holy paladin is now my fav healer class xD

[@randalkoh]

20:27 Someone please tell me where can i get the weapon and shield tramsmorg? Much appreciated...

[@starnostras]

Great guide and lets us see nicely into the future. A future where Holy and Ret (for pvp fun-time) are difficult to play effectively at the same time due to conduits. Feels more like Azerite armour we can't take off.

[@unrokkbar]

Very good guide and nice explanations! Im now asking myself when I compare your stats priority with them of Icy Veins and Method, because all say different things about it. Im confused what shall I focus after haste when im playing with glimmer and crusaders might. Mastery is good when dealing dmg and staying near the tank to higher the healing to him but lowers the healing for the group/ranged DD's, but Crit improves the crits of my healings but lowers the healing for the single targets as the tanks due to the lower mastery? Is it okay to mix these two stats or are these things only comfort things.

[@TheJaredSims]

I just wanted to say thank you, this run down and clear and Precise,

[@antoniofernandes3068]

A tip for you, go melee wings, since CS is a major play for paladins, its so broken, reduced 30% cd on it, healing with ur dmg abilities, plus loads of HSs since CS is faster. Go avengir wrath for mythic plus always, and some raid encounters like slugfist for example. Good video thou

[@milidin]

@Yumtv you barely mention Light of dawn. Is this not a very useful spell? When do you use it? Thanks for the excellent video!

[@CedricBassman]

Light of Dawn excels in Raids where you can be sure to hit the maximum amount of people with it, in Mythics however it is pretty much useless because people tend to spread all the time. Only cast it if you are sure to hit at least 4 people with it, otherwise cast Word of Glory

[@Shakk404]

Would you say for beginners, I should go more haste mastery than haste crit? Just Until I get used to the damage aspect

[@tomclarke7570]

Good video, I can’t think of anything you missed, lots of useful tips

[@santiagodurandeu4735]

Hey a question, i have your weakauras and i want holy shock to shine when comes back from cd (something like wings when you use it) but i cant find the way of doing it. Any tip?

[@jaythestranger9373]

just make ur own holy shock weak aura that adds glow when available.

[@Thundr93]

Great guide! I haven't played since early legion and its my first time going holy.

[@raharu000]

This is so clear and useful thank you so much

[@andresguzman4475]

Can I make vuhdo switch between m + profile and raid profile?

[@p4olou83r]

Hi, there I have looked at your guide and like it. I have some questions because I'm new to holy paladin: 1) Are you using mouseover macro to heal? 2) I struggle to heal caster and ranged because they are so far away from me and the bonus of mastery is out, is it normal? My question will be trivial to a better player than me but I will appreciate a replay may be from a veteran of the holy paladin. Thanks 👍🏻

[@ItsTorben]

Waited for this one! Raidhealing Guides and sneaky m+ tipps would be great!

[@Nyxius22]

Can you please make one of these for the mistweaver?

[@thegrambo5629]

So we don't ever really use flash of light/holy light??

[@Angeil89]

Hi! I liked the ability setup! What addons do you use? If it's not super secret :P

[@darkovdarkov1417]

You didnt mention anything about level 45 talent row, since I really like the Avenging Crusader, as it provides a massive spike of aoe healing whenever you use your wings and I find it hard to heal some locations without it

[@lierox90lierox90]

I'm confused, any other guide says that mastery is jsut after haste, because it benefits every other heal, so which should i go with :/

[@zacharystanphill748]

Haste, Crit, Vers, all increase your damage in dungeons. Mastery only increases healing through put. In keys, often the 30 seconds needed to time it could be made up by dropping consecration. Mastery in many situations could be your strongest stat - or in fact your weakest stat. Vers even becomes more effective than it outside of 30 yards (which is also why raiders spec into the range/mastery increase talent). The main reason though, as stated before, that the stat priority changes is because HPala should be dpsing in M+ and Mastery does not increase damage.

[@roeescharf104]

I've been thinking, shouldn't we combine Judgement of Light and Crusader's Might with Avenging Crusader? Seems like a good synergy for massing healing bursts

[@Kanouken]

The healing from avenging crusader is random and way too unreliable in a high mythic key environment where people can die if you mess up one or to GCDs. Sanctified wrath is more valuable since it not only increases the duration of wings, but also makes it so one crusader strike is enough to get holy shock off of cooldown

[@luisochoa1414]

Great video! Just coming back to the game and wanted to check out my Hpally, this helped out a lot. What add ons are you using for your spell icons? Thanks!

[@irrefutablefox2388]

Looking to see what macros you use for holy paladin to see if you have anything different from my own but you have not provided a link to see these is this something you can share?

[@yumytv]

Personally I don't use any macros, I've tried some auto target crusader strike stuff or help harm/mouseovers but haven't really liked any of it.

[@irrefutablefox2388]

@@yumytv thats fair i only use mouseover ones myself thats why i was wondering if you had something i did not know about. Many thanks for the reply. great content

[@isaaclavigne7905]

Back in Mists, I used to play Holy with Righteous Fury on all the time, it got tanks so mad lol

[@lNerdzerkerl]

What addon do you use for healing ?

[@77royalboy]

Hey Yum, I've been really enjoying your guides. I especially like your vuhdo set up on disc priest. I was wondering if you planned on making a raid frame set up for vuhdo, anyways thanks for making some of the best healing guides out right now!

[@LiquidSnack]

By chance does anyone know what the elvui profile is called? Thank you

[@Zutraxi]

Does he mention light of dawn ? 3> targets its total healing surpass glory.

[@ApocalipseGPs]

i have a question...do you have problems with your mana?...cause ...I'm healing...I manage generally to keep my party up...and i see that i got like 80 or 90 % of my mana...i spend only 10 or 20%...and i need to know if is that normal..of im doing something really wrong

[@yumytv]

Nah as paladin you almost always are high mana unless you are caught needing to spam single target healing without cooldowns.

[@alistairwischer9775]

I play ret and will raid as ret. But group with friends as holy for torgahst and heroic/mythic dungeons, going to roll relentless Inquisitor as a duel leg (even though I have the sun well one too) :)

[@MrNightRa]

is there a way we can copy your elvui layout?

[@nahojnosslrak8807]

Really great dude, love all ur videos. Can u make one for druids in SL already tho? :)

[@stevenjam7119]

He did

[@andry6164]

I am new to pala can’t understand how can you deal damage in melee range and heal too.

[@Chibibowa]

He uses what we call “mouse over macros”. If you pay attention, he has 5 boxes on his screen. And these boxes work independently to your focused mob. Which means: 1) You can use keyboard buttons to DPS the boss 2) while you DPS, you can use your mouse and click on the party member and use a skill to heal him (configuration required ofc). Any healer must have mouse over macros for high content. It gives you the flexibility of dealing DPS while healing and you gain time because you don’t have to click the member first and then use a spell. Just click once and it’s done. There are modifiers of course. So let’s say your left click is your primary healing spell, shift left click could be your primary mitigation spell for example. Your right click could then be your secondary and shift right click could be your “oh shit” ability (may on hands etc...) Control left click could be your dispel skill etc.... A lot of possibilities. It will also make your UI look more Clean because you don’t need to have the primary healing skills bound because the mouseover addon already takes care of that.

[@chipandblock254]

this is definately haste based. very hectic type of play it feels like when with any randoms in a group. SBTL + Rule of Law + BoV is really great but i do love the damage. Id use it on spires but tbh that might be the only place... Nothing beats being able to HL & BoV in one single GCD and topping off your whole group lmao.

[@Oldwhpsian]

Thanks a lot for the info man! Something that I don't think you covered... how do you think HPala will hold up in the higher levels of m+?

[@yumytv]

Hard to say, I think if it can survive it will be incredibly strong because of its high damage but its much less forgiving than other healers because if shit goes wrong when theres no cooldowns in a high key you're dead

[@Oldwhpsian]

@@yumytv Thanks so much for your reply man. Happy Keying!

[@brenopapa]

there will be a mistweaver monk guide?

[@Exrier]

When I looked at relentless inquisitor, it said "Requires: Retribution." I assumed that meant it doesn't work for Holy

[@efir1471]

It does work with holy! Only thing is that you prob need to switch spec to craft it i think :D

[@Exrier]

Doesn't seem to say it anymore. Maybe I'm just crazy

[@serviho]

@@Exrier Blizzard actually changed it.

[@ShayedSays]

Do you still feel like HPally is noticeably weaker for M+ compared to RDruid and DiscPriest?

[@yumytv]

Definitely weaker for pure healing, but it brings a lot of other cool stuff like high damage, an immunity, etc. If you can make pally work the damage is higher than any other healer so it will go a lot faster.

[@jlandy6652]

Idk if I just suck but the heals are ass when I play this spec

[@reesevoll7655]

Will you be making one for mistweaver, also is night fae viable for hpally

[@ligmadeez73]

what ilvl do yall have in the 15s?

[@yumytv]

We were doing them at around 200 iLvl, but with full soulbind trees @ level 40 renown.

[@wurmalex2879]

The only thing i would have to say about tallents is that i find holy prism better than Judgement of light for mythics. It provides good dps on trash fights and gives you extra aoe burst healing if needed.

[@3v3rb0t]

Can you go over how to sim holy?

[@Couzz]

Can you make a mistweaver one?

[@khiryislive]

i dont like holy paladin in shadowlands compared to the bfa counter part hope this guide helps

[@DeadInside_82]

I love holy, I don't at all use it like this, I think it's too much bs.

[@js11t]

Damn, i absolutely love holy pallies, but i find them the most stressful to play for real, i wish the had more aoe healing, it's an amazing spec..

[@roflpopzgaming7453]

It's stressful AF amirite?! Man, having to target player, mob, player, mob, player, mob whilst dodging mechanics is a pain. My brain almost melted on Sludgefist when I got chained 10 times in the fight with a melee.

[@ClippyChop]

@@roflpopzgaming7453 get healbot or any other frame add on. It lets you slot spells to mouse clicks so you never have to target away from the enemy. Bind heals to left, middle, right mouse buttons with shift, alt, cntrl, and cntrl shift as modifiers to be able to access 21 different abilities. Blizzards base UI is not anything close to healer friendly lmao

[@swarmofmudkipz]

I’ve been playing hpal for years and I gotta say this is probably the best incarnation

[@blingn007]

at 14:18 you let your tank die while having both sac and divine toll ready. You instead opted for a few crusader strike globals. While dpsing is good, it should never come at the expense of letting your tank die especially when you have cds ready. Since sac isnt on gcd you could have easily used that while still dpsing boss + divine prot for reduced sac dmg (also not on gcd). while the tank did get chunked down from like 60% in a global or so, i believe this is partially due to him not having cds since he was sitting at 50% for ages.

[@falmana123]

so light of dawn is basically irrelevant ?

[@louee6675]

unless you're absolutely confident you can hit 3 or more people with it, you just shouldn't use it

[@afreaakofnaturee]

Does anyone know what his party member add on is?

[@yumytv]

It's vuhdo, you can find more info from this vid here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hXmsaaKYi7lqaas

[@afreaakofnaturee]

Thanks bro

[@logansmith8573]

Thank you for this

[@emocatte]

I found recently through these new dungeons I've been running a beacon of virtue build through mythic +7 and its absolutely amazing for how much burst AOE you can put out synergized with shock barrier and divine toll. I've found I've been putting out more healing this way and keeping everyone up and healthy through panic moments too. That being said I'm also lacking a lot of haste even at 185 ilvl, most of my gear has given me crit/mastery so maybe thats why its working so well.

[@MrPwnasaur]

Did they remove Holy light and flash of light?

[@shrekxfiona8659]

No

[@CedricBassman]

@@shrekxfiona8659 Well no but actually yes

[@zorlac303]

Look how they massacre my boy. And I remember when holy paly was all about judgement / holy light spam

[@onioncultistlordoftheonion8315]

That sounds incredibly boring tbh....

[@zorlac303]

Maybe for you. I kinda like it

[@deadservers2374]

@@onioncultistlordoftheonion8315 yeah because I wanna sit here and play a melee dps/healer that only does healing when I dps. That shit sounds retarded and not even sure why it’s in the game. I’d rather play resto sham Druid or holy priest, where I actually have to HEAL. Like the spec/class was meant to when they made them.

[@trelindsey6201]

I miss exorcism.

[@thunderball11111]

@@deadservers2374 You can still use your normal heals bud and should be doing so when melee isn’t a good option judging by how smoothly holy paladin has flowed for me playing it you did not give this version anywhere near enough of a chance

[@Astral-Projector2389]

My eyes reopened when i decided to go healer again. If you're gonna pug alot, remember. People are braindead and bad. They rely on you to heal EVERYTHING, and i mean everything. If the tank is not 10-20% behind you in healing. He sucks and obviously doesn't know how to play tank(probably using dps specc/dps gear and movement). Just take a look at the 1% who plays 15+ keys and upwards. They are always just slightly behind the healer in Hps. Sometimes even past them depending on encounters. Look up strats and dungeon mechanics. If you see dps constantly taking dmg from mechanics and mobs with abilites/not doing interrupts, a tank that is not tanking. Then its their fault. So remember when you pug, smashing your fucking fingers almost to heal everyone. If everyone else has 0% healing. Yeah, you can be sure that they are the problem. Not you.

[@OldOn3Eye]

Do you even use flash of light or Holy light? xD

[@aerozub]

Hey thanks for the guide, but i can hardly imagine keeping the group topped with glimmer of light, there are bursts of damage especially on higher keys when the whole group needs to be on high health, i can easily do it with beacon of virtue without using any other cds, but with glimmer of light, well that thing heals for scraps. Beacon of virtue has low cd, and if you pair that with your kyrian ability it tops off everyone including the tank. I checked raider.io and i see top paladins in sl use glimmer, but pugs constantly fuck up mechanics, and the whole group needs to be topped off, i just won't have 4 holy shocks at all times. I really wanna play the most efficient way, but glimmer seems to be that talent that's most efficient, but really hard to apply to your casual groups.

[@WKAFLKA]

I think once you are running high crit it makes it a lot easier to recover. Partymember1: Shock crit double crusader partymember2: WoG partymember3: Shock crit (CD up bc running lvl15 talent) Partymember4: Has had beacon so they are topped already You (Paladin): Cri evertim (use Flash proc?)

[@88Erank]

I want to play normal healer not melle Dps . . Immediately put off this.

[@mikehunt7413]

You're suppose to dps in mythic+ anyways as a healer.

[@88Erank]

@@mikehunt7413 maybe for you, but I figured it out as ranged and smash healing keys pft, All the doors open now baybee

[@craigtrish2011]

@@mikehunt7413 Who exactly said we are suppose to dps? Just because the try hard community like yourself said we're meant to doesn't mean we should. I chose a healer to HEAL. Get outta here trying to be Method or something

[@TheRealHamjam]

@@craigtrish2011 if you’re playing a holy Paladin and you’re only healing you’re not doing your job. They do huge damage and some of the damage spells(crusader strike) increase healing

[@roflpopzgaming7453]

@@TheRealHamjam But you HAVE to dps as hpala. As a resto druid/shaman you CAN dps. You get what I am saying? Every second you have to switch from mob to player to mob to player in order to get holy shock.

[@audeol]

i've been playing holy pally so wrong... thanks ahaha

[@stasdtracerandyasaa]

I don't agree on glimmer of light especially in mythic+, it does mostly overhealing and the overall value of the heal is ridiculously small (in the hundreds) to be even remotely viable in heavy aoe dmg fights. Beacon of virtue with 15 seconds cd and combined with Infusion of Light proc then Holy light is an amazing life saver in heavy aoe situations (were the hpally struggles the most). With glimmer, if divine toll is on cooldown, when a bit of shit aoe dmg happens hpally are mostly useless. All of the things i've said are for pushing content not for doing mythic0 with 180ilvl. Maybe for raid where u somehow manage to keep glimmer on 6-7+ targets it would be viable but even so, the effort of holy shocking targets without the glimmer to apply it on them is not worth the time. Thanks, hope this helps some1 struggling with hpally in aoe :D

[@ericnfraserable]

Thanks man. Still struggling a bit with aoe healing without using wings or divine toll. I’ll check out beacon of virtue

[@SeanZherdev]

@@ericnfraserable This is 2 weeks after your comment but tonight I switched to beacon of virtue off of Glimmer, and wow, I really really like it. Feels way more manageable to deal with AOE damage even if Divine Toll is down. Did you try it? If so, what did you think.

[@nicolaisb2]

Good video Grom

[@Harrock]

Healer is the most stressfull way to play wow ... i tried a Holy Paladin once ... it was the Horror... Dd or Tank is relaxing against the costand Stress who to heal.... As long as only the Tank gets Dmg its actually pretty easy but as soon as 1 DD lost 50% of its life im in panic mode ... i dont know if it was just the group but men that dungeon was stressfull ... we wiped 2 times at one boss and i felt so Gulty ... but suddenly all Dd lost 50% of their life and i couldnt do anything because the tank was also half down ....

[@roflpopzgaming7453]

I agree, atleast from a hpala perspective. Having to switch from mob to player to mob to play is a pain!

[@juanalbertoacunasilvera6775]

what is that addon?=

[@enimativd9106]

My ears: listening to the video My brains: following and trying to understand My eyes: PANCAKE CAT

[@jonathanwynne6925]

Thank you!

[@huh4484]

why not human paladins? got a nice passive stat gain

[@Chibibowa]

Because dwarves are the symbol of protection and help :P

[@mattzero7104]

beacon on faith n light heal more then glimmar. your build is for dpsing right now the def build is just as good as glimmar build comes down to how u wanna play your pally