Return To A Baseline Of Dopamine Release - Jocko Willink & Andrew Huberman

[@drakoalva4598]

As a musician who experiences large amounts of dopamine while performing, I can say it’s almost like the better a show the more real and painful reality feels the next day

[@gamecop2191]

Got goosebumps from this . This was my downfall as an aspiring musician . I wouldn’t use before performing , I would naturally be high on nerves and then ride that high through the show and the night . The next day , when the crowd was gone and I was back at my shitty day job the only thing I could do to operate was cocaine and “dreaming” about how I was meant for more

[@munafo13]

This is why I pop edibles and have a glass of whiskey before I perform. I'm not as present during the performance, but the come down is lessened...

[@TheEncouragementKid]

woah that's nuts my dude

[@ForMindlessConsumption]

Wow that feeling finally clicked for me reading this. Couldn’t put my finger on it until now

[@nickleon_music]

Not sure how and why this comment popped up as the first comment I'm reading, but yes, that is wayyy too true. Or sometimes you face big victories with music, but its almost always that the next moment after that is feeling like you're not good enough. Kinda like riding constant never-ending up and down cycles.

[@Samal_ibra]

This is literally the conversation to solve personal mysteries and depression cures, this goes beyond controlling happiness and sadness

[@Micscience]

I suffer from to much dopamine chasing. Thanks for making me more aware of my dopamine roller coaster ride. Videos like this indicate to me the world is getting better.

[@jmbt02]

Most every human suffers from this, that's what (used to) make us able to grow as a species

[@shadowolfe009]

the world is not getting better

[@jedlimen123]

Micscience.. Odds are you are getting better.. not so sure about “the world”..

[@Micscience]

@@jedlimen123 Well I was referring to the world that is not televised. The realistic world.

[@treesm4479]

'The world is getting better'.. that's a lovely thing to say, and a reminder not to chase the constant negativity that the media wants to throw at us. A reminder that there are good people out there. Yesterday I was feeling a bit down. A woman stopped to ask me if I needed help, as I was loaded up with some shopping.. we chatted briefly...That's all it takes to brighten someone's spirit. Be kind as much as you can 🙏💕

[@Hepvier]

Basically what from I understand is that after every amount of dopamine, a phase of "feeling down" comes along but the trick is not to try to hype yourself up again by finding more dopamine but instead just let it reset on its own and just push trough stuff with discipline that usually goes very well when you have dopamine, during the reset that is

[@mindfulstoic3095]

Bingo. Pain is inevitable and a definite part of life. It also makes us appreciate good moments, so how can we run away from something that will happen no matter what ?

[@rockyblumble]

​@@mindfulstoic3095been thinking about this so much lately and you summed it up perfectly

[@NOSTahlgia]

Teens who grow up with Huberman are lucky, I wish I knew all this back in 2006 when I first started using the internet

[@BRICKSINSILK]

Quitting porn and cutting away all booze is not going to suddenly summon the golden ticket levels of motivation you always hoped for...

[@rockyblumble]

​​@@BRICKSINSILKit honestly did for me. When I watched porn I was very miserable, then I stopped and started living a healthier lifestyle and it completely changed my life. We shouldn't downplay how important these things are.

[@Maxtor-ve5nu]

1% teens will follow huber, the other 99% are following logan paul and other influencer's hedonistic ways.

[@mattdelbert1440]

Man I wish Eddie Hall could hear this. I remember when he broke the world deadlift record in front of a crowd of thousands. Imagine that dopamine release? World record, cheering crowd, and years of training culminating in one moment? Then he talks about how low he was the very next day. Like beyond depressed. This makes more sense now.

[@frankvonfrauner]

You can't have highs without lows. That's why so much of addiction counseling has to do with keeping things calm and normal. Extreme boredom needs to be countered with extreme excitement. Extreme happiness needs to be countered with extreme sadness.

[@alamine6214]

Great example, thanks

[@toximan2008]

or the fact that he nearly killed himself doing that lift and his entire body, CNS, and endocrine system were out of whack contributing to the "low"

[@simplygamesyt3061]

R. CD CB by

[@c---R]

Simply thinking about this experience gives me a dopamine rush. I can not being to imagine his high and low. I wonder what he could have done after that experience to blunt the low. Would be very cool to listen to Eddie talk to Huberman.

[@mack_valenzuela]

If anyone else is struggling with this as I have. Saunas work wonders. Saunas release those dienorphins and really help reset that dopamine balance. 15-20 minutes will do wonders for your mental health. Stay strong 💪🏼💪🏼

[@nicholasdec1829]

i agree it really helps me focus after and relax too it’s great

[@miketemple7686]

I usually jump in a dry sauna for 3 minutes before a workout to get the blood flow to my joints. After I try to get in another 10 minutes for the reasons you mentioned.

[@manateerpg1396]

Idk man. I may have an undiagnosed heart condition and end up dying like Zyzz.

[@unitedeagle4046]

@@manateerpg1396 what?

[@evilmirin1329]

@@manateerpg1396 you don't due cuz of sauna. You should go check it out so you know what to avoid

[@RyanDaMannn]

Andrew is a fantastic guest.

[@nogrammer]

Agreed, despite being a pseudoscientist he was still a great guest, very entertaining to watch.

[@dhaxpegdhaxpeg2144]

@@nogrammer A pseudoscientist??? Please explain why?

[@andrabook8758]

he's great at explainign this stuff :D!

[@bravenraps1995]

@@nogrammerno he’s a real scientist

[@nogrammer]

@@bravenraps1995 You're right, is should have clarified. He is a neuroscientist, but some info he peddles is pseudoscience and not backed by actual neuroscience research. Not everything, he's just a guy that delves into stuff way beyond his degree.

[@MrStopAsking]

What Andrew said about pornography is very true, completely messes with your dopamine levels. I feel like in the next 5-10 years a lot more people will really see the effects of pornography on the brain

[@amaladnan5522]

It’s already happening what with all increase in anxiety and depression everywhere

[@Anthony-cb8sw]

I started when I was 12ish. I’m 35 now and it’s the only “drug” I’ve ever done and had been so difficult to shake off. This stuff is a big deal and only now are people (men) actually talking about it.

[@MulhollandFIT]

It’s already known.. porn is a weapon.

[@Anthony-cb8sw]

@@MulhollandFIT by whom and against whom? I’ve worked with exceptional people with incredible talents and critical thinking. Something I’ve always asked myself was, “I wonder if they watch p*rn”? I grew up in a strict Christian environment so I also have that mentality that makes any type of wrong doing 100x worse on the psyche.

[@bruceleroy8063]

It's been damaging people for decades.

[@arhaaamm]

TAKEAWAYS 1. Dopamine is a non infinite but renewable resource 2. after a high dopamin state it crashes below the baseline which results in craving becoming the bases of addiction 3. wide open pupils means that the person is in an high dopamine state 4. it is normal to start fealing demotivated after short period of time after starting a task as the dopamine wears off

[@Backfromthestorm]

Yet opiates pin the eyes.

[@RichardHarlos]

I imagine that you, and other people who do this sort of 'bullet point summary' mean well, but I wish you'd stop for a moment to really reflect on the consequences of your actions. Giving people a summary of a video that they haven't watched will lead many of them to not watch the video. This is a negative outcome for a few reasons: 1. It robs the content creator of 'watch time', which the KZbin algorithm uses to determine how useful, popular, etc., a video is. 2. It robs the potential viewer of an opportunity to practice attention/focus, which serves to reinforce the 'quick hit' mindset that just wants it's dopamine for learning a new thing with little to no effort, thereby contributing to their deficit in attention. 3. It inspires other people to do as you do -- some even resorting to using AI to summarize a video -- for the purpose of getting attention via 'Likes' on their comment and also via comments in reply such as "MVP" and "Thanks for saving me the time", etc. Now, to those who will jump in to say how useful such a bullet-point list is to them, I say: *create your own list, and keep it private.* This gives you some exercise in attention, and it also allows you to absorb the points by considering them within the context that the video presents them. Everyone is different, and context is super, super important in helping us to understand and to organize learning in ways that are specific to each individual. So... do your own note-taking, and don't share it as a public comment. I'm giving you the benefit of doubt that you're sincerely wanting to be helpful, rather than just an attention /like hound. So with that said, please: *stop making bullet-point comments.* You will be most helpful to the most amount of people by following this suggestion -- even if they disagree because they'd rather someone else do the listening for them. And, for those who want to point out that they have some sort of learning deficit, and that such bullet-point lists are truly helpful to them: work through it with a caring family member or friend. Your struggle to learn, remember, organize, understand, etc., does not excuse robbing the content creator of their due 'watch time'. This should be a 'win-win' outcome for both the creator and the viewer, and that only happens when people exchange their time (watch-time) for information.

[@puuhapate6454]

non infinite = finite

[@BeverageOfSorts]

​@@RichardHarlos it seems the root of what you're describing are the people who comment saying "thanks for saving me the time", and that is who you should be commenting on this too. Obviously you can't as easily and I don't blame you for it. The summarisation of the video in points is useful to the people who clicked/searched the video up but don't have the mental fortitude to study the topic to the point of summarisation. Assuming everyone is a warrior in a garden will lead to less warriors and less gardens, some people need the help even if they won't ask for it. As for the people commenting "saved me the time" they're lost causes..

[@RichardHarlos]

@@BeverageOfSorts wrote, _"it seems the root of what you're describing are the people who comment saying 'thanks for saving me the time'"_ Granted, there's a bit of influence on both sides of the transaction. However, just because some segment of a population clamors for accommodation of their lack of attention, lack of desire to understand with context and nuance, etc., doesn't mean that someone *must* give them what they want. So, the 'market demand' is for sure part of the equation. But, as you noted, I can't very well go about replying to each and every one of them. So, instead, I chose to address the one who made the decision to be the one to supply that market, with no small interest in their own perceived benefit from doing so. For those who cannot summarize, there are tools available for that. And, if they can't be bothered even to use those tools for themselves, then I agree with you that they're lost causes. Sadly, it seems to me that this tendency isn't confined to the online space. Advertising appeals in similar ways to the masses, often resorting to the 'big 3' (food, sex, money) as associative with/to their product or service. All this reminds me of a quote that resonates powerfully with my own perspective: "It is no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society."

[@BrionyGunson]

These molecules are designed to create activation states in the body. And dopamine is the molecule of motivation, pursuit + desire. BOOM! You know when you hear something again and it sounds really fresh? Motivation. Pursuit. Desire. And when our dopamine dips, it's no wonder people feel isolated, sad and pained after a peak experience. Whether that's feeling low with post-music festival blues, or like how Nicole Kidman said she felt super lonely after winning an academy award. The main message I am taking away is: Chill after a dopamine hit, in order to let the body reset - more balance and modulation. And to notice what my state is like before, during and after behaviour, and notice when I am chasing more dopamine. Be a scientist to myself! Great clip, thanks!

[@soty8877]

2 weeks ago I completed some pretty intense military prerequisites for a certain “school” I want to be approved for. I did it last minute and wasn’t 100% physically prepared AND I’m 34. I passed my “tests” it was a huge victory on many levels, personally and professionally. I could not figure out what the hell is wrong with me and why I feel like I’m in a “valley”. Recovery took forever and I’m still having very mediocre workouts. I was so confused as to why until now.

[@alexanderwindh4830]

So only two weeks?

[@soty8877]

@@alexanderwindh4830 Hey! Only two weeks what?

[@yudistiraliem135]

I believe if you’re depressed or lacking dopamine for a while the reverse could happened. You only have motivation if something good happened. I believe that’s where suffering geniuses come from. Their brain lack in dopamine production that only certain reward/activities work for them and they have to keep chasing that stimulus

[@backfru]

How long did your "recovery" take? I have experienced the same "thing" as you; feeling "lost" after intense experiences/"substance use" The "valley" has been pretty hard, and "taking" a while to get "out" of "Andrew" has been really "good" at breaking "this" stuff down "and" explaining how dopamine drives "all" this "stuff"

[@lazznotjustauniformanalyst65]

They never mentioned yoga or meditation for a while to return to a baseline! I'm not just a Uniform

[@Stickadonkonit]

This clip popped up at the perfect time. I've struggled with depression my whole life, and various addictions including coke and alcohol, I quit those long ago but still smoke tobbaco and also have a crazy caffeine habit, I quit smoking weed 1 month ago (smoked for 30 yrs) and I now realise how reliant I was on it to function. Next thing on the list is quitting tobbaco. The comments in this thread plus people like Jocko and guests give me hope and drive to succeed in my mission.

[@kiwiyogi2846]

How are you going now?

[@mr_green33]

as someone in the process of breaking free from adderall dependence, this is very true. the crash of dopamine is quite literally painful. to say the least.

[@josephmoore977]

I concur. I broke free from years of heavy methamphetamine use & coming off of it was brutal & arduous.

[@nicksam305]

A truly devilish drug

[@amaladnan5522]

Did you try tapering off it instead? I think that would be more beneficial than simply going 0 from 100

[@kailismith]

Best of luck. It can take a real while of grogginess. Weeks for me. But it was so worth it. And you feel 100% yourself after.

[@andrabook8758]

pain ends. just keep at it.

[@LaavYoou]

As someone with ADHD I’ve found that regular exercise works better than stimulants. It gives me physical and mental strenght to go on with my life. Because of the lower baseline of dopamine I have to exercise consistently every day or the habit will break and the drop will be too painful.

[@bradleyharewood7289]

I mean does this explain why I hit seriously strong periods of training and then can’t even bring myself to go to the gym ? Because I get a crazy level of dopamine from training but then crash

[@originalityisdead.9513]

I find in order to train and do so consistently you have to become obsessed and nothing less than the inability to endure anymore will suffice.

[@originalityisdead.9513]

@bradleyharewood7289 Reward yourself but only after you've done what needs done, otherwise you get nothing. That works for me, and never give anything but your all.

[@jxrdxn2611]

@@originalityisdead.9513 no don't reward urself after the work/training.Try to evoke reward from the effort or hard work itself.Andrew mentioned this before, focusing on the reward as the end goal causes ur brain to dislike doing the work and it will feel more challenging, u won't feel motivated to return back to work the next day.Instead, focus on enjoying the work, tell yourself that the work is fun and rewarding even though it's painful.

[@lildaryl1496]

Try stimulants and training haha

[@bsbg-lifts]

So glad you got Andrew on the pod. Love this guy

[@MrKoffeeKup]

Detoxing both mentally and physically is key. Physical pain makes for mental and mental for physical. There is a point when one can go well too far for either when trying to repair or prevent damage.

[@bowtieboy805]

Hubermann is bad ass. That man is intelligent like no other. To be on jocko. Respect!

[@Nemesistyx]

A man who studies the existance that is... Me, My body, My life. BOom. Dudes smart, gave me new ways to think about my life in a measurable way (INTJ) and im ADHD so I really struggle with dopamine and the feeling of chasing it and then crashing.

[@HoytDeadEye]

As an addict, I have not been taught this in 3 rehab stints. I now understand the actions (non drug) that I was doing for dopamine hits. Really helps me understand what can lead to craving that nasty shit. Much love ❤️

[@NOSTahlgia]

It seems like they're always spiritual and trauma focused, and while those things are important they really do need to talk about the mechanical processes of the body. Once I realized it wasn't just my messed up psyche everything began to incrementally change for me.

[@dnbjedi]

I feel like andrew could come up with a unified explanation of the mind and brain. He knows so much about the mechanics it’s a not just info dumping he lives in this knowledge of the mind.

[@julielevesque2668]

I am learning to endure more struggles and uncomfortable situations as a mental training thanks to all of the info about doing hard things for better health and self-confidence. I went biking 40 minutes in the rain today...started out just spitting a bit but I decided in the last year that mother nature does not dictate if I bike or not and I go anyways. I can come home and take a hot shower and have a hot tea...I am fine. The best thing about biking on the bike path in the rain ...barely anyone out so no one to pass.

[@bantazmo1978]

Every time I listen to Andrew I learn more.

[@traycecarr9237]

I was on Ripped Fuel and Hydoxycut all in the 90's...I was also anorexic, I ran 15-18 miles a day then would rollerblade all afternoon..I now respect my body, I absolutely respect the brain & hormones..Thank you for this education into our bodies/brains:)

[@adamcox6960]

Yea..... a badass ripped roller blader🤭

[@littleripper312]

Sounds like a good time though, bet you were a blast to hang out with when you were younger haha.

[@NRG56]

How are you alive

[@traycecarr9237]

@@NRG56 by the Grace of God..literally..ehedra is no joke

[@jeffilli1663]

I experienced this today. Last night I finally got to see my kids after 1 month. I'm used to being with them everyday. I was granted 4 hours with them. When I got home I was so happy and "high" from my visit that i couldn't even sleep. Today I am depressed again!

[@benv23]

I’m in the course of cutting all synthetic dopamine out (porn, social media, marijuana, etc.), it’s painful but life in general feels more rewarding and manageable. Don’t stop reminding yourself of want you need to take control of your life.

[@WokeAFMillennial]

I mean, you can have ALL of those things but just exercise your own personal discipline to not allow it to get out of control in your usage everyday. People are not realizing that what Andrew says here is to not quit everything, but simply to manage your usages of these dopamine releases. Exercise your discipline and only ONE of those dangerous activities a day. Focus on the length of time with your usage and reduce it. Slowly, you'll be able to do ALL of those things, but in a much more reasonable way to manage your baseline.

[@glacialimpala]

@@WokeAFMillennial you're ignoring personal differences, for many of us a little bit is risky because it escalates easily. Plus what the heck is upside to watching porn? Every aspect of it is bad for you (unless you're watching slow romantic stuff with realistic looking people who aren't there for money, which doesn't exist). It's like saying you can do just a little bit of meth if you train yourself

[@anonymous16472]

​@@glacialimpalahumans chase dopamine and always will no matter how harmful that is for them its how every animal work

[@Rob-gf3pb]

Facts! I’m an ex-addict/addict in recovery (6 years 5 month 1 day clean) This is the exact definition of addiction. Even when you want nothing more than to not use any More, you drop below base so far, that you’re on day 5 and in such physical pain over the last 5 days, that your body cannot get out of bed without the drug. Thus, you use it after going days without and you’re right back at square one. Truly awful

[@jaykeegan5980]

Congratulations on your time clean, brother. May you continue on your path to clean and sober living

[@Rob-gf3pb]

@@jaykeegan5980 ty, brotha

[@orangez1986]

How did you beat it?

[@stendaalcartography3436]

Yeah man. I'm 16 day sober. I almost relapsed yesterday and today. But I held on strong. I just have to accept the fact that I will always have pull to relapse. Huberman helped me a ton for sure.

[@LyonPercival]

KEEP GOING ROB! WE TRULY CHEER FOR YOU, AS ANOTHER MAN TO ANOTHER MAN.

[@ninelr222]

I am not a sport person in any way but I think I can relate to that dopamine rollercoaster . When I listen for a prolonged time, say couple hours, to music type that I really like and enjoy, later on I usually feel a bit down, a bit sad. So that could be it. Dopamine up and down.

[@thomasforrisi879]

I've seen Jacko on Rogan. I've been an RN since '83. This episode is for me an example of when one knows something globally and then happening onto a site that takes into the specifics. When knowledge is presented in a way that the recipient takes in and can see the common sense of it, it's a good day. To learn how something is constructed, its uses, how it works as well as how and why it deconstructs and reconstructs are key to learning how to modulate and the, " whys " and effects behind disregulation.

[@lostjunglist8704]

I've been abusing my Adderall for 5 years. I'm no longer in denial about it & can accept the truth without it triggering me. This video was exactly what I needed to see before I took another one. More milligrams aren't going to help me at this point today. Self-discipline, insight, & knowing the facts about how dopamine works....Is helping my cravings. My healing work will get finished when I finish. Thanks for "going there" when you mentioned Adderall. That comment was meant for me to hear & I thank you for sharing this info. U just saved my bottle from being empty & gave me the tools I needed to be aware of.

[@boyapollo808]

stay strong friend and keep up the hard work! I'm in a similar situation so you have a lot of people who support ya 🖤

[@BreGrateful]

Yes same here. When he said adderall I was so intrigued because I been using it for work, study, and working out. I know I shouldn’t but I fear if I stop I might go back to not being as motivated.

[@sean6515]

You've got this!

[@spiralrose]

Lucky you… I’m still trying to convince my meds-provider to put me back on the full dose of Adderall that I’ve been taking for years. It’s fucking sucks… They tell me I need to have motivation but they won’t give me the medicine that helps jumpstart me to even try to create a life where is self motivation is an option

[@daniellechekel8866]

Thanks you for sharing this podcast! I like the idea that dopamine is a renewable but not infinite resource. It helps me be more realistic when following through with goals and being patient with myself during the times that I do have to push through and just get it done. It is a reminder that the lower level of dopamine release is a temporary feeling. And we dont need to chase that rush and mess up our brains in the process by overloading ourselves with dopamine (in the forms of addiction). It is like chasing the first high of falling in love or drug addiction.

[@WilliamJonesChess]

Top Moments Square brackets are my own thoughts 01:55 JW: When dopamine goes down, do we want it back right now? AH: Dip after is due to dinorphin. Note pleasure is from endorphin. So dinorphina and endorphins are opposite Dinorphins involve pain. From every pursuit we go for, the pain after feels painful. 3:20 AH: You can tell when someone has lots of dopamine in their system because their pupils look big. Small pupils are going to be in a relaxed state. Wonderful point at 6:20 Everyone needs to know how they feel before, during and after a behaviour. 7:40 Sometimes after a big win, we feel a crash [ a big loss] Some people make the mistake of going out and pursuing more dopamine [Wow. Turns out the answer to having a great time is to have a less stimulating time. Why? You need to give your mind to reflect upon what has happened]

[@Nobodycares1993]

This type of information is golden

[@JQMurrell]

I've never liked something controlling me and my decisions, so as soon as i feel a draw towards a "need" for something, i immediately cut it off.. so caffeine or addictive substances have never been a thing for me. I just have to find something enjoyable and challenging in order to be motivated to pursue it. Whether that's really digging into a topic to write a book about, because it's so darn cool to share with others and then i get to master my knowledge about that topic... or whether it's exercise by doing something physically challenging that can also engage my creativity, like dance and aerial arts! If i don't enjoy it and can't push myself so that i feel like I'm progressing in something and mastering myself in a new way, I'm not about it!

[@MVProfits]

"I've never liked something controlling me and my decisions, so as soon as i feel a draw towards a "need" for something, i immediately cut it off.. so caffeine or addictive substances have never been a thing for me". I used to think like that and didn't use coffee for decades. I do now though. I'm far from being an "addict" but it slowly creeps on you. It started for me before long road cycling rides, the during them also (they often last 3-5 hours), then before weight training, etc. I found coffee doesn't help me at all for mental focus, but for physical activities it does. But I had your exact philosophy so keep it as long as you can, forever if possible ;)

[@steveh.7664]

The crash feels painful. YES and YES. I've been through it after years of big workloads, taking care of a dying parent, and finishing a lot of goals. My crash also coincided with depression, after my dad died, to make it even worse.

[@blubblurb]

I'm in the exact same situation at the moment. Taking care of a dying parent, and also a load of work to do, moving together with girlfriend... I hope you are good now. I'm fortunately still am, but just have a bad unmotivated morning. :)

[@mariolara0595]

Sorry for your loss

[@jdnrust1590]

My parents sucked I always find it odd people really loving and missing their parents bro I could give AF less. A little traumatized a little chip yeah it is what it is tho. Look into REAL 5-meo DMT could help you in your journey and help you have a new perspective on death.

[@SilkyMilkyOriginal]

@@jdnrust1590 That sounds like more of a you thing.

[@shadowstepsanctuary2636]

@@blubblurb lol

[@ryanhill7318]

Definitely. That's actually wild. There have been times I've felt depressed and anxious for a day or two after hard training. Finally an explanation!

[@nitronitro1274]

Absolutely amazing. So many have no idea what he is actually talking about. I do and it is extremely refreshing because when I try to talk to people about this type of thing they look at me crazy and have no idea what I am talking about lol. The human body/dopamine etc is so fascinating.

[@BodyworksPrime]

Great interview. Modern day life really does take a lot of discipline with almost limitless high dopamine activities. The most rewarding activates long term though are usually the ones other people are not willing to do.

[@gammamaster1894]

Yeah just think in the past, it was the complete opposite. 90% of people were farmers, so basically you'd spend half the year working hard to absolutely no reward and then BAM! harvest time comes and all that hard work is (god(s) willing) paid off. No wonder ancient agricultural societies formulated their religions so heavily around the agricultural cycle and celebrated so much after a successful harvest.

[@jmbt02]

@@gammamaster1894 or even going back in to the house at the end of the day for the hot dinner (if food is available) that the women cooked up, after you've been performing the same movements for 7 hrs that day and just staring at plant stalks and dirt. Imagine how exciting that dinner was! And just the chance to relax and chat with your extended family! We have given ourselves as a race too much

[@keemoify]

@@gammamaster1894 Even longer back, the only time they had large ammounts of dopamine was when they killed a prey to eat or when they had sex

[@jedi77palmer]

Skydiving, I had a interesting one off experience of this dopamine expenditure when I was in my twenties. I had done a few jumps one day and then that night I caught up with some friends for a little party at their new property. We all had some ecctasy which was not too usual as we occasionally enjoyed such things. It had zero effect on me while everyone else, that hadn't jumped out of a plane that day, experienced the usual effect of the drug. I just got tired as I normally would as the night wore on and went to sleep while my friends kept dancing and having a great time. Interesting.

[@CjKillinit]

Trippy, makes sense. Thanks for sharing

[@jedi77palmer]

@Pilgrim17 it would be very unusual for just one pill out of a whole batch to be a dud. The most likely cause is my brain had already released a large amount of dopamine, serotonin and norepinephrine and therefore and no more in reserve to release. My body needed more time to build up the molecules again and that's why the drug didn't so anything as that's how it has its effect by triggering the release of these chemicals from their storage sites.

[@jordanz4264]

Now I know next time I wanna pop some molly not to jump out of a plane before. Thanks bro. Next time though maybe try popping some molly an hr before your jump for best results. Lol

[@jedi77palmer]

@@jordanz4264 haha yeah maybe not need all your wits when plummeting towards the ground 😆

[@jordanz4264]

@@jedi77palmer haha ya I’ve gone twice, once with an instructor and once by myself, there’s defiantly a lot of information to process as your falling to the earth out of a plane by yourself

[@SCHOFIELD81]

I can’t produce dopamine due to young onset Parkinson’s. Aged 41. My life is living hell and it’s only early stages. So movement issues are still minor. My sense of smell detects everything as sick smelling like vomit. Permanent brain fog. No libido. No interest in doing anything at all. Can’t focus on basic tasks. Lost my career in the film industry. On brink of losing minimum wage part time job. No savings. No pension. Nothing to live for. If you can do one thing for yourself it would be to do everything in your power to protect your dopamine system. I lived a reasonably healthy lifestyle but made a few errors I regret I.e. smoked a bit of weed for a year or so, don’t have gratitude for the good things in my life and allowed negative thoughts to run away with me. I plan on taking my own life before things get much worse. Hopefully something better is waiting

[@chiefenumclaw7960]

Do you still have parents who are alive? If so, consider postponing your end game until they've passed. Some people never recover from this, and they will carry the weight you cast off. As a licensed taxidermist... my advice would be to try living in another country, who knows maybe you'll gain a new perspective and find something that is greater than the pain of living? Good luck Dave!

[@SCHOFIELD81]

@@chiefenumclaw7960 thanks for the response. unfortunately my financial and health circumstances prevent me moving to a different country. Without dopamine it would be near impossible task and emotionally meaningless anyway

[@douglas5260]

@@SCHOFIELD81 Before doing anything, please, seek counseling and talk to people. Talk to at least one family member, one friend, one professional therapist, and one religious leader you trust. Sometimes you can't see a way out of a situation now, from yours perspective, but someone from outside can, and they might help you see it too. If after doing this you still don't change your mind, I only ask you to search for an answer to the big questions of life before going. Because these answers can define what will happen to you in the afterlife. I personally think there are solid evidences that God exists and came to the word as Jesus to reconcile humanity with him. And I think you should investigate this matter further. Because if this is actually true, there is really a God out there that loves you and want to have a relationship with you. And this relationship may change the way you see the world and your life. And it maybe may change your mind about taking your own life, or at least give you a reassurance about your destiny in the afterlife. God bless you.

[@dredlew]

Man you cant do that. I can help you. Where are you located?

[@SCHOFIELD81]

@@dredlew uk

[@peter_schomus]

The post depression after huge dopamine spikes makes me think of how a Rockstar feels after a show. Maybe that depression perpetuates more drug use and whatever else

[@auntyjasmine2566]

Yes, what a good hypothesis!

[@warrenb8228]

After I crashed after years of working an extremely dynamic and violent type of career, I started TRT. Not for muscle quality or anything like that, but for psychological reasons. I was not capable of feeling happiness at even a basic level. Things that made me happy prior made me bored or tired. Now I’m good without the help of anti depressants or anti psychotic medication.

[@asmrquran4374]

did you use anti depressants b4 ? if so how did you cope when coming off?

[@nomadikmind3979]

trt? testosterone replacement? Did your levels test low?

[@lollolliii]

@Warren B how did you come off from Antidepressanty and anti psychotic medication??? Any tips? Thanks

[@asgaardnext3653]

Honestly as someone who did a lot of drugs over twenty years you don’t need a university degree to understand about going down further than you went up , once you first start using your base line not only alters but soon can disappear , having now been clean for nearly a decade I can say things are relatively normal again , and I a much happier , thanks for video and your continued insight

[@jameshadfield5624]

enjoyed this. As someone coming out of a Long "Cannabis Coma" (45yrs.) a lot of areas were hit. The Porn plague was even longer (12 to 63!) Heineken's and Stoli were also in the Land of NUMB. Well with these cunning distractions, eating properly was non-existent (those Fast "food" places were at least avoided!) Anyways the Clouds been Lifted and it's been LONG overdue. Even had to delete Tik-Tok, because having an Addictive personality (Obviously) I felt the "need" to respond to a third of the content. Which was Nuts but fit the dope-a- mean Hunger. So needless to say this was a Good subject manner for me and I immediately subscribed with the hope that, if the other episodes are half as good, then I'm in a helpful zone. Thanks! That woman that you referenced, Lemke has a new book out on dopamine + it's not too bad. something like "Dopamine nation". Peace

[@12Daniel34]

How would you describe a "cannabis coma"?

[@owendispensa8953]

Sounds like you’ve had one hell of a life. Shouldn’t say that though, it’s not over!

[@shaneacton1627]

Could you describe, experientially, how different it feels to just go through a normal day now, after your 'cleanse' ?

[@alexxarcadia]

Hey how are you doing so far? I hope you’re feeling better! I’m on the same path my friend, we are in the helpful area indeed now. Wishing you the best of life and keep on healing. We deserve a healthier life ❤️

[@shutupandtakethisjab]

Gat damn man! That c☆cks got calluses!

[@theFormidable1]

Everything in life is a dopamine hit and the more enjoyment it gives you the more addicted to that dope or activity you become until you detox. This is the key to addictive behavior

[@jonnekytola5513]

Interesting thing about addiction: opiate based addictions can be circumvented by oxytocin, as oxytocin prevents opiate tolerance from developing. This way for example the oxytocin and opiate providing motherly touch is rewarding without developing tolerance, whereas opiate based drugs lack the oxytocin component. Read this in Jaak Panksepp’s research and thought it was profound in relation to addiction and human relations.

[@novai6554]

@@jonnekytola5513 what if oxytocin is a cheat code for life lmao i need some

[@outlander234]

@@jonnekytola5513 So love is truly answer to everything.

[@0x44Monad]

@@outlander234a nd looking into a Dog's eye. At least I think Joe Rogan said that. Haha, someone may wanna verify but something like no animal can stimulate oxtocin in human's besides looking into a dog's eyes; similar response to parents and their child. Now, depending on your interpretation that could be the canine hacking the human biology for a type of symbiote relationship, or true love. The third option is that God is a Dog. lol[

[@yomommashaus]

It's only the key to stopping the behaviour. If the behaviour is being used as a coping mechanism for an underlying problem, you also need to address what the underlying problem is.

[@DavidPerez-yt]

So thankful for coming across Joe rogan’s podcast. I first found Andrew Huberman on there and he spoke about testosterone and exercising-things of that matter. It’s crazy because with this neuroscience stuff I’m able to realize so much about certain patterns that I have that I wasn’t aware of but I can now try and dive a bit deep and see what I can do

[@cynthiathomas5754]

This guy is spot on.Chop Wood ,Carry Water...I read a book that described this...A book on depression which also mentioned the depletion of brain chemicals after a good experience.

[@TheRealChrisBeard]

I think the people really tested in their early years, that had many ups and downs, achieving a lot, doing cool, crazy shit, and had to partially struggle financially/mentally, can learn to be level minded for the most part. And when we get super happy for some time, the come down isn’t as bad just from us being aware it exists.

[@joshuaturner8559]

This would definitely help someone in recovery and I wish I would’ve known this when I was in rehab in Florida. I used coffee and exercise to cope with being sober

[@curedham2963]

yes exercise has shown to be the most effective tool against depression and among many other mental health problems that arise from a deficiency in dopamine/endorphins etc.

[@jordanz4264]

Cope with being sober 😂 could definitely be worse. I would say that’s probably one of the best combinations you could be addicted to. Least you didn’t choose meth and masterbaiting

[@Shane7492]

This is one of the many reasons moods fluctuate so much. Do you wonder why some days you feel like you're on top of the world and then other days down in the dumps? Yeah, we all go through it, because it's the natural ebb and flow of things that happen within our bodies.

[@chotevuthtycheatvisoth1799]

Love Andrew Interpretation of Dopamine as a chemical for motivation rather than as chemical of happiness

[@TheGreektrojan]

This has always been the interpretation of Dopamine across the scientific community, not Andrew specifically. The happiness thing was just a classic case of media miscommunication a scientific idea to gen pop.

[@immanuelcunt7296]

It's not an interpretation, it's a well-established fact.

[@austinlittle1638]

If I do something as seemingly trivial as have a video game session that's a little too long, I can feel my motivation to be productive drop significantly. It's simulated achievement that's too easy to get. I noticed this on weekends, when I don't have work or any other obligations. Sometimes I'll start the day with a little bit of Halo Infinite, maybe an hour or two. After I'm done it's like the weight of the day is increased. I'll dread getting my workout in, dread cleaning, etc. Compare that to days I start off productive, night and day. I make shit happen.

[@soulfuzz368]

I can relate to this. After a really good game session, everything else seems extra boring.

[@SmartestDumbGuy]

Dude totally. If I play a game too long I feel weird afterwards. Totally like a come down. That's why I don't like to play games until later in the day or evening. I know it's not good to start my day that way.

[@ServusChristi33]

Bro i had this same epiphany this week. I’ve been grinding apex ranked and after a session of sometimes 3 hours I feel extremely lazy afterwards, totally unfocused on my homework, and dreading the days workout. It’s like the progression system within the game has skewed my means of wanting to progress at all in other things in my life. Going on a week long cleanse for now and going from there!

[@colin4215]

Dr Huberman blows my mind, he’s so smart and inspiring. Love all his videos about neurology and brain function!

[@matshallgren3383]

What a fascinating subject, great discussion, clear and articulate, I could listen to much more.

[@nocantry]

"Non-infinite, yet renewable" is such a beautiful phrase.

[@Jay_SGE]

My Dopamine is fried then. I always try to stay stimulated In some form of the other be it through training or working towards goals. This was enlightening

[@ReflectionOcean]

Guard your dopamine peaks carefully and understand its role in motivation, as excessive dopamine release can lead to a deeper crash afterwards. 0:43 Recognize that dopamine is a non-infinite yet renewable resource, impacting your motivation and ability to enjoy pursuits. 1:09 Limit stacking dopamine triggers like intense training, cold showers, and caffeine to avoid excessive dopamine spikes and subsequent crashes. 2:35 Maintain awareness of your dopamine levels to push through low motivation periods effectively. 5:40 Consider training early in the day to harness a natural dopamine pulse for increased productivity and focus. 6:55 Avoid training late in the evening with stimulants and bright lights to prevent sleep disturbances. 7:22 Give yourself time to reset after a "big win" to manage the natural dopamine decrease without seeking immediate dopamine-inducing activities. 7:55 Be cautious of activities that cause intense dopamine rushes, such as watching pornography, as they can desensitize you to real-life experiences. 8:20

[@michellekaufmann5154]

I felt the same after travelling South America. Home just seemed so bland after. I’ve heard this happens to a lot of travellers after their trip.

[@gbc.art.bra.49]

Just gotta do things that are good for you and when you're done you feel fine

[@SomewhereInside]

Riding a motorcycle out on the back roads and forest trails …almost makes my soul new again . No past , no future , just being in the present , soaking up the whole universe , eight hours can seem like two hours .

[@invictusaeternum]

There is no better therapy for some than the interaction between man & machine.

[@kaizenyasou6963]

​@@invictusaeternumwell I think it's more like man and nature

[@professormoriarty6875]

You can see the admiration and respect in Jocko's eyes. He really likes Andrew.

[@danielnicholson25]

This makes sense… yesterday I was feeling way off and unmotivated. The only thing I can seem to track the cause to was the day before, I drank coffee for the first time in weeks. Perhaps my dopamine shot up and crashed. Makes perfect sense tbh

[@andrabook8758]

you can try to use drinks with less caffeine if you don't really need to be super alert and then it won't do that anymore. this is kind of why everyone keeps drinking coffee each day, even though they shouldn't need it

[@madlenj.4644]

@@andrabook8758 i also drink coffee decoffeined. You´ll notice beeing earlier tire through out the day in the first week. But thats it. You´ll be able to get earlier in bed.

[@andrabook8758]

@@madlenj.4644 i shall give you a tip. try green tea instead of just any caffeinated teas. I have the teas for when I don't need a huge spike of energy, and then the coffee for when I do need it. And you just rotate them as needed. The green tea tho you don't need sugar for it bc it's not bitter, unlike the dark teas or the coffee, so you can just not add sweatner and you don't crash afterwards.

[@jl1550]

A strict 10 day silent retreat in a monk run temple where you get kicked out for not following the rules and have to wake up at 4 am everyday will give you a total dopamine reset.

[@eksquisite]

2:23 best thing to take from this video, when u feel the crash, avoid dopamine inducing activities till u feel joy start creeping up again

[@ndndndnnduwjqams]

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[@parousia2771]

I find endorphines to be much more satisfying. I practice releasing endorphins through singing (mainly 90s grunge songs). It fees like a took a hydrocodone for a 5-7 minutes. some people get this feeling through running aka runners high but for me its via good 25 minute vocal sesh.

[@xostler]

Endorphin = endogenous morphine so yeah lol

[@parousia2771]

@@xostler yes I understand that I was just explaining my method of releasing the hormone

[@xostler]

@@parousia2771 well sure but there's others on the internet that may not know about beta-morphine peptide. It's all dopamine mediated though too. As dopamine is an intermediate to endorphin production. So just be aware that it isn't an either or scenario. But do you do you. We all have to motivate ourselves somehow!

[@TaylorGerrior]

This whole podcast which was 5 hrs long, went by so quickly. immersed heavily, thank you

[@curtismorgan5168]

Chop wood, carry water is by far the best thing I’ve heard all year. Immediately wrote that down for a tattoo idea. Discipline > Motivation.

[@Simon7000000]

It might interest you to know that this phrase comes from zen Buddhism: "Before enlightenment: chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment: chop wood carry water." It emphasises involving oneself in the task at hand above pursuit of an end, as well as the way in which 'enlightenment' should have no impact on our day-to-day activities.

[@HuntingTarg]

Once again, science validates ancient wisdom; chasing pleasure does not lead to happiness. On "infinite but renewable resource" : I read _The Power of Full Engagement" by Loeher & Schwartz, an executive coach and a sports performance scientist. The key insight I got from it is that "daily willpower is a limited resource." I ran into so many people who denied the reality of what I felt; that concept explained it. This discussion underpins it; it gives a biochemical basis for a hard limit (not a universal one, 'your mileage may vary') on daily motivation.

[@ogle-tr-122b4]

Great now you just made me self-conscious about how much fun I should have in my life. Lol

[@0x44Monad]

I suffer terribly from this and I've tried to return to baseline for years. It always seems hopeless 3 weeks in.

[@chaytonhurlow840]

The secret is, happiness is not dependent on dopamine. Understanding this gives you infinite dopamine.

[@johnmike121]

I know someone who has used illicit methamphetamine (no Rx) for like 15 yrs daily normal guy, good job, family, ate & slept normally. A friend of mine called him just an addict but the evidence was the opposite he stayed at his own controlled doses orally solely from will power. Idk how he'd be w/o it but seemed to maximize positive effects and eliminate negative effects better than anyone w/ a Rx for Adderall I've ever met

[@enjoythedaybrand6809]

Good stuff love these shorter clips.

[@wplants9793]

When I was in grad school AFTER a big test in a subject I liked, that I studied immensely for I would feel great, not overdone but generally great AND all the information I learned finally ‘clicked’ and I connected to it. I did not crash…wondered what was up with dopamine for me. However, if it was a test that I did not like, like the high stakes licensing exams, I felt absolutely terrible. PS would love to hear how oxytocin fits into this in regards to caring for young children.

[@MrPabgon]

This is what keeps me doubting. I've also had high achievements that didn't have a low afterwards. Just like back to baseline.

[@pastelteaaniiii]

I think that has something to do with what we see as rewarding or threatening. Like in the first scenario, the process spikes dopamine throughout and is somewhat independent of the outcome so like there isn't much of a peak where as when the stakes are high, there is so much more adrenaline,dopamine and hence I guess the peak. Idk just my observations being an extremely anxious person, It would take me so much effort to get anything done and when it got done, I would feel absolutely shit when it wasn't upto my unrealistic expectations and also I would loathe the process. Whereas on things I enjoyed, I would forget eating and going to the loo.

[@standin4right]

This podcast was awesome! I'll be re-listening to this and taking notes concerning the information!

[@damianalonso6495]

I remember when I first started trying to improve myself I felt like an unstable machine for eight months straight. I was playing two hours of intense first person shooters, taking a ton of caffeine, working out, taking cold shower's, listening to aggressive phonk music 24/7 and putting a ton of effort into school. I felt like a beast getting stronger, good grades and hyped on caffeine and phonk, but around eight months into it I just absolutely crashed. It was the worst low I had ever felt and I was so confused because I hadn't changed anything for the last eight months but now it all makes sense.

[@PRICEX]

Had the same experience here. To a tee

[@MikeKay1978]

I stopped drinking because of the crash. the well being while drinking doesn't compensate for how bad I feel afterwards. I just hated it.

[@dredlew]

Its become 10%pleasure 90% pain for me.

[@soulfuzz368]

Same deal with me.

[@athomeinfl9598]

Two months ago I started leaving my phone at home when I left the house. I was too stimulated and constantly looking at my phone, which made me want to stop. The first month was great, but then I became very tired in the afternoons and had low-grade depression, which I never really dealt with. Could this be a reaction to giving up my phone?

[@kaizenyasou6963]

It's called withdrawal symptoms

[@andrabook8758]

Here's something for people to try: exercise without ANY pharmacology. See what happens....you might actually enjoy it. The neurochemicals are also a good litmus test for where your body is at, so if you;re using pharma to overide those signals....well, 90% of the time you're just going to damage yourself. That's all. You end up disconnection yourself from your own physiological responses.

[@quaidcarlobulloch9300]

True, but then there’s the classic saying: no pain no gain

[@MVProfits]

I almost never used caffeine. Now I do almost every time I exercise. I just perform better. But I can go days without it. Though the habit did creep up into some "useless" morning coffees once in a while. But I don't need 2 coffees just to "wake up" then 4+ throughout the day as some do (and they often complain of anxiety and bad sleep mmmm I wonder why ha ha). There's degrees to it all, that are hard to gauge, vary from person to person, hence why these topics are debated and there's never a clear answer. As there are none.

[@andrabook8758]

@@MVProfits it dehydrates you, so I doubt it actualy boosts your performance. incorporate rest days so you don't feel the need to add caffeine, you're just naturally ''pumped up" to go work out. a lot of people over-train

[@gidalivv]

So easy explanation of the complex problem! Bravo

[@eloelo6944]

3:00 so basically listening to music and drinking coffee is spoiling myself too much now lmao I'm not David Goggins... I thought not beating it too often and greatly limiting junk food was already a way greater dopamine detox than 90% of people do but it turns out I need monk mode

[@nilsbth2262]

monk mode. this comment hahaha

[@bentleymayes4536]

He says be careful about stacking dopamine. I think it's just about being careful, but yeah it can feel like monk mode sometimes.

[@Timithos]

Sorry, not sorry, but one solution in my life was to quit video games permanently, not modulate them. I tried modulating them for almost 40 years, and that didn't work.

[@pranavp6139]

40 years? How old are you 😅

[@Minihorse23]

I feel you I had to do the same thing, it was just too much for me.

[@zlolasers]

not everyone lacks self control, not sorry.

[@ericmartin5720]

A a former Deputy Sheriff we knew that anyone of us who were involved in lethal force encounters had a probably to eat their gun on the downside. We would go off duty and surround him with the team and keep him safe/occupied. Been on both sides of the scenario. Combat is euphoric, the downside is scary.

[@Crxcket]

That moment when you watch this video after a shower beer to some music.

[@7wernli]

Every bit of this was awesome . Very informative. And You don’t need to be a doctor to prescribe that advice-porn is destructive and its everywhere and it’s incredibly attractive. A dangerous combo.

[@tomrodgers6629]

Early morning workouts work for me it gets me amped for the day. Ans yes I was a Ripped Fuel junkie in the 90's it works. Dam you Twin Labs for changing the formula. A few heart attacks man up. Lol

[@IceColdProfessional]

You aren't a real man unless you've had at least one heart attack or been hospitalized for exhaustion.

[@workingguy-OU812]

Holy hell, I think I used to take that stuff a little bit. Twinlabs shit in the 1990's was the bomb - I got huge on it while doing three to four hours of weights five days a week.

[@TommyShlong]

I remember seeing ripped fuel. What was in that stuff?

[@tomrodgers6629]

@@TommyShlong Dark Magic. Lol

[@workingguy-OU812]

@@TommyShlong I think Ephedrine, in part? Can't recall.

[@stevenscoggins8560]

Holy shit, thank you guys for this conversation! Huge personal puzzle piece solved! 👍🏻🇺🇸

[@livsnjutaresverige3802]

When I go without music (listening not playing) and caffeine for 5 days +…even cleaning my house it’s kinda fun. It’s just the withdrawal are so damn difficult.

[@kmgfabio]

I think Huberman become my second favorite influence in this discovery days. 1. Jordan P. 2. Huberman Psychology/Philosophy & Neurobiology.

[@rocky13m]

This is extremely valuable information and they’re giving it to us for free. Thank you

[@QuantumImperfections]

These videos have been fascinating. I've recently been diagnosed with ADHD at 30 (lots of struggling with school / work / executive function). To make a rather long story short it turns out my basal ganglia isn't functioning where it should be (which is critical is dopamine management). Once I started taking (prescribed) Adderall it was like a light switch was flipped: my life took a MASSIVE turn for the better. I started looking into dopamine management and cut out most of the excess dopamine releasers. The only stimulant I take is Adderall and I moderate everything I do throughout the day and take everything as a marathon. I've seen such a magnificent change with being able to do more with more people because of it.

[@digitalsamurai42]

What goes up must come down. Aka you won't be able to focus well when you stop.

[@QuantumImperfections]

@@digitalsamurai42 I couldn't focus well before either. So I'll just take it for what it is

[@I_SEE_RED]

@@QuantumImperfections Be aware that’s a very easy lie to want to believe, so easy that you may be blind entirely to questioning its truth

[@QuantumImperfections]

@@I_SEE_RED Well it's working out well so far so until another qualitative change for the worse occurs so far its pretty on-point.

[@I_SEE_RED]

@@QuantumImperfections that was my rationale as well, but when that change is a permanent change in some aspect of health that’s where I decided to draw the line. Sucks to have to have that be the reason

[@kinthirteen]

For me music really helps me focus on when I need to sit down and get some drawing done.

[@JP-lf5tp]

Some people need to dopamine fast because they flooded their brain over many days with so much dopamine that there brain reduces the over used receptors *somehow* and when the last receptor no longer receives anything it regrows them *somehow* because they are needed just not every millisecond of every day; I myself once came but I didn't receive any good feelings and just felt cold and depressed so I quit as long as I could and could feel again in only a few days but that was a long time ago and I still haven't succeeded in quitting but I really believe there is some truth to learn from leaving p°rn behind, some happiness to pursue beyond the veil of depression. And as I leave the modern needle behind I hope I can someday want something greater than any modern man can want. May God be with you, Always.

[@BushLeague_BC]

yur high bro

[@Marcelo-m6f]

It's insane but as much as I learn about all this amazing world of hormones, neuroscience from these experts, more what I've learned from Buddhism and Hinduism are proved right...just amazing

[@Knowledgeandententertainment]

Allahu akbar !

[@hyevoltage]

I clicked on this video to get a dopamine hit, so ya I need this info.

[@docmax4556]

Path to freedom in ultimate anthropology. Love it. Pantanjali of 21. century 🤜🏻🤛🏻🔥🔥🔥😁: body, mind & soul - think that’s path to balance truth, wisdom & beauty. 💎

[@Voidermusic]

Another good thing is to learn just to do things without dopamine dictating you whether you feel "motivated" or not. Just to accept that it simply doesn't matter to get your stuff done to feel exited all the time or motivated. There are no physical shackles holding you back if you decide to still pursue whatever you wanted to do. And one can get used to that and it becomes easier and easier to do these things without needing a huge mountain of motivation behind.

[@malikubaidali367]

Best comment 👏👏

[@WokeAFMillennial]

Well, that might not be the best advice, as most people lack discipline to incorporate all their addictive activities at a manageable level. No, what you're describing sounds exactly like what Andrew stated in that there's pain associated in these crashes and what you seem to be saying is to just 'not be motivated when doing these tasks' - as in, don't enjoy anything anymore. That's not healthy, as you're continuously riding a dopamine release that's below baseline. You aren't managing anything and you're just simply saying "nothing wrong here! Just keep-on-keeping-on and you'll learn to not care so much about it." This mentality is 100% what Andrew is highlighting as a problem with managing dopamine.

[@Voidermusic]

@@WokeAFMillennial You absolutely can still enjoy things, you'll just be able to work through those 1-2 hours until your joy rises up again. And no, it's not 100% of what he is highlighting. The body is complex and can adapt, how you subjectively perceive this "crash" of dopamine matters a lot. It's not just black or white. It's possible to do things with just a bit of fullfilment until your dopamine rises again, instead of being hyper-sensitive to your dopamine being low and therefor not able to do anything while it is the way it is. Also, joy doesn't need to be the main driver to do a task. It could also be curiosity, creativity, wanting to fight a challenge. The idea that everything must be driven by joy is a problem. Trying to manage your dopamine too much and analyzing it all the time and making yourself dependend on it whether you can get work done or not is a part of what's holding people back. It's a good to know, and if you know it, you can try to avoid dopamine crashes, but it's not the one and only way to live and the most important thing. It's just ONE of your tools in your toolset to stay motivated and productive. There will be plenty of situations where you don't have full control over how much dopamine a situation is going to release. So you better find a way to be not too dependend on it.

[@WokeAFMillennial]

@@Voidermusic Jocko here just described what you mentioned where you find pleasure in those lows to push through and gain the motivation along the way, but this is a long process that requires you to work through your impatience/imbalance to get to the finish line. What you're describing is still unhealthy, as you're using your finite source of energy then running on the fumes the rest of the day. You run into more risks in life by doing what you are describing - depression, anxiety, impatience, anger are all attributed to what methods you describe.

[@ScarlettGora]

@@WokeAFMillennial I'm not sure if I'd agree on the equation dopamine = energy. Energy isn't finite (unless you're 3 days awake and almost falling asleep)

[@shanmccookie3604]

That's absolutely accurate. Caffeine is not needed to get energy to exercise I just like fasting with black coffee right before exercising because I also have a nice bm and getting frequent with that is nice. Omg some days when I don't drink black coffee, I can feel it so hard and to push thru is rough. Its your intrinsic motivation to get results. Just get out there and get it done safely. One day, you're not gonna need the coffee.

[@shanmccookie3604]

And then today I try to do an hour long aerobic dance sesson without the coffee beforehand and just so miserable lol. I'm working on motivating myself thru it. I finished the sesson without it!

[@eksquisite]

i remember hanging out with a bunch of buddies for like 25 hours straight, best day of our lives , as we had our fun and started goin home, all of us got hit with existensial dread so horrible we didnt exchange a word for like 20 minutes, scary moment

[@aczeartk7032]

Damn, that's pretty crazy. Has it happened to you since?

[@eksquisite]

@@aczeartk7032 nah it's been a while since iv had that kind of fun but im pretty sure the exact same shit would happen

[@aczeartk7032]

@@eksquisite i get it, those days are hella rare, but they stay with you for years

[@eksquisite]

@@aczeartk7032 sometimes u miss the excitement, the genuine feeling happinss and joy , but lamenting over the past never helped,right?

[@aczeartk7032]

@@eksquisite never regret or lament, missing it is fine tho. That's my two cents.

[@switchlaserflip9243]

People in jail preach about how they''re finally going to stay clean when they get out. Guess what they do as soon as they get out..

[@dalibofurnell]

Do you do any videos or interviews where you explain eating disorders? Or rather, would you be able to explain how dopamine works in a body if someone who is anorexic and does it have anything to do with it? Are there chemicals in the body to be aware of, specifically for anorexia to die and not kill you?

[@rickdavis32]

This says a lot about the perils of drug addiction and pain.