REVEALED! 2023 Honda Civic Type R Has Toned-Down Looks, Tuned-Up Performance | Car and Driver

[@SilverScarletSpider]

The 2017 model Type R debut with a MSRP of $33K, hopefully it will be similarly affordable and there will be zero mark ups. Luckily there were some states with ungreedy dealerships like maine and Vermont

[@SilverScarletSpider]

My question is on the tyres: last generation 245/20’s could go down to 18 inch rims for high pothole neighborhoods but could fit 17inch right? Can the new one go -2 inches down as well to 17 inches tyres? Or can it go even further into 16 without compromising the brakes/suspension?

[@dbeckMSP]

I’d bet the brakes are the same size as the last gen, so 18s are probably still the limit. iirc 20s we’re to clear the special suspension and a slightly different offset was needed for 18/19 which probably technically messed with the engineers handling goals but most people probably couldn’t tell or accepted the loss for more tire to absorb crappy roads as you mentioned.

[@stevesls6]

It looks great. How much power can they put through the front wheels??

[@hondamanvtec2894]

Love the car But Knowing Honda You probably have to tune it your self haha

[@rpitneyjr]

Love that it still has 3 pedals. I like the look (could do without the red seats). As others have mentioned, I worry about tramlining with all that meat up front and the lack of a hand brake is absurd.

[@obsessedwithguitars3157]

Elana Scherr and Ezra Dyer, my favorite columnists C&D have employed possibly ever. Glad to see Elana doing a vid, need more Dyer!

[@Ficon]

John Phillips anyone?

[@upshifter5316]

Phillips is a true 1 of 1. Ezra is best current auto writer currently around. Really glad Dan Edmunds is here now, always been a fan. And really have grown to like Elana. Really proud Quiroga is now at the helm. KC Kolwell to keep us educated. John Pearly Huffman pieces always provide a delightful distraction. C/D starting to feel like home again. Now if they could pull Sam Smith back from whatever cliff he fell off,they’d be undisputed kings of irreverence once more.

[@obsessedwithguitars3157]

Fair, John Phillips is a treasure

[@smokesgtp]

I stopped reading after they let Philips walk. I'm glad he's back. He was the last good thing about the publication. Quiroga was a good choice. Sharp guy. Anyone thinking recently is a strong era at C&D isn't very old LOL. The 90's were awesome... Bedard, Yates, Csere, Phillips. My heyday... David E. Davis' leadership in the late 70's to mid-80's was probably the best. Then going on to found Automobile magazine w the gorgeous color, thick stock and unbelievable photography...I miss that.

[@NasaRacer]

Let's see who gives us an MSRP first Honda or Toyota?

[@scottt.4596]

Awesome! What does it weigh?!

[@joshuayammer1994]

They’ll never put any type of automatic transmission in the type r. Honda just won’t. It’s not meant for that type of driver.

[@ericB3444]

It doesn’t come with brakes. Am I supposed to put my feet out like the Flintstones? Is the spoiler to eat lunch on? And what is a you-sing-only unBose radio?

[@dbeckMSP]

Honda has been telling us this is the most powerful Honda ever and now we’re at the press launch and they can’t tell us the numbers? And also can’t tell us about the suspension? At least it looks better and doesn’t have 20s

[@davemorris6747]

But I like the 20’s. Nothing wrong with them unless your regularly tracking the car. Fine for fast road use.

[@GregLopes]

@@davemorris6747 ehh that’s not really true. The tires on the outgoing 20s had so little sidewall that even in normal daily driving the tire would partially ride on the sidewall. Causes way quicker wear, and if you hit a pothole? DONE. Less sidewall means more chance of bending a wheel. The bigger wheel/smaller sidewall is actually worse for daily driving.

[@moose201]

Very well done video. Elena is a natural in front of the camera, she packed a lot into seven minutes without feeling rushed or appearing rehearsed. The little touches of humor were just perfect.👍👍

[@oreally8605]

Save the Stick!

[@inline4245]

What is this model called? For example previous model fk8r. Now?

[@CLA82529]

Heard it will be called FL.

[@jhonazkabayantv9909]

FL5

[@1rexrex]

Now that the Civic is the size of a 2door Accord. What is their small performance car?

[@dln.sweeney]

They sell the S660 overseas, or did at least. This is as small as it gets for us market cars from Honda period unfortunately.

[@nthgth]

The last time gas got ridiculous, Honda brought over the Fit. No performance version but it was fun as hell to zip around in (with the manual). Maybe they'll do that again

[@raymondanderson1026]

So well done and entertaining! Make more videos C/D!

[@markg7213]

I wonder if the the reason they’re tight lipped about the power figures, is because they’re still tweaking the car to try and reclaim the record on the ring. I know they haven’t claimed it yet, otherwise they would’ve flaunted it on the reveal like they did with the 10th gen. Hopefully they reclaim the record!

[@dano727]

Nice video ! I love the new Type R, now how about an Accord Type R with a manual ?!?!?

[@PaulCuenin]

Very tasteful I like it reminds me of 90s Honda

[@bradalexander6252]

Learn how to drive a standard, so the manufacturers will start making more.

[@fadedsoul23]

I’m in the process of learning, I can shift successfully at low speeds, now to kick it up to higher speeds. Any tips on how to smoothly shift at higher speeds? I’m still learning to let the clutch out quickly without ripping my leg off the clutch and having the car lurch, which has proven difficult. Being quick yet smooth takes brain power

[@peterbetridge8703]

@@fadedsoul23 no issues other than 1st and 2nd. If you can master those you won’t have any problems. And this has rev match for downshift so no issues there either.

[@ak2112]

I liked the look of the last one more.

[@stephenmccabe9507]

Nice vid. Why do some people refer to certain car models in the 3rd person? For example instead of saying “In 2023 THE Civic type R has been redesigned,” they will say “In 2023 Type R has been redesigned.” It’s weird and doesn’t seem natural, but maybe it’s a journalism rule that I’m not aware of?? Mostly notice it with press events and marketing functions. Example 2: “That make Type R special” as opposed to “that make THE Type R special.” One word changes a lot.

[@nthgth]

Deleting the "the" usually means what's being said was written by the manufacturer's marketing department. I have found.

[@hondamanvtec2894]

The Best Looking Civic R EveR made

[@CheaperEngineer]

Looks like a hatchback, body shell similar to 2023 Integra?

[@GuyX2013]

Lol hell no.. look again, the busTegra looks more like an accord just uglier. The thing I noticed though is the front bumper has similar side vent design with the same black trim going towards the grill but on the civic the side vents look larger and just fits it better for some reason probably cause there aren't any crazy diamond secondary grills and the headlight design isn't trying to be over the top.

[@joshuamoore24_7]

It looks like a SAAB 9-3 and Honda Civic crossed paths and a car design was made.

[@Jtbg80]

Wish they would’ve kept the the double stacked center console. It’s a nice looking car. I wouldn’t trade in my FK8 for it, but do like it.

[@AndrewMalkin]

I hope that it has upgraded cooling and transmission over the previous version.

[@AnthonyParrilloRI]

I bet it's horsepower and torque numbers are only around 15 increased

[@fadedsoul23]

If it came in an automatic like a dct I normally would be all over it, but I want to learn stick now, so I’ll take that silver shift knob. Might have to trade up to the type r who knows

[@Cgee3]

Honda makes some of the best manual transmissions. You won’t regret it.

[@fadedsoul23]

@@Cgee3 they do? How smooth are they? Is the clutch pedal easy to push in and let out? Because something I’ve noticed with higher performance cars (I’ve driven a camaro ss 1le and a Catalina 2+2 421 so far, both stick) is that the clutch pedal gives your leg a huge workout. Maybe I’m just weak idk

[@IdrisFashan]

@@fadedsoul23 you’ll never have that problem in any Honda made after 2004. Flywheel and clutch are fantastic. I have a 2009 TSX and went aftermarket when my clutch aged out. Regret that decision now. 😔

[@danstone508]

@@fadedsoul23 I have a 2020 type R yes the clutch pedal is very easy to push in and out definitely the best manual I’ve ever driven

[@fadedsoul23]

@@danstone508 if I can master the manual before then and see one in dealers I’ll go ask for a test drive for sure

[@PHFilms3]

Well Done Elane! As much as I appreciate Honda's efforts in making a fantastic car, I fail to see who would buy it? Current gen used CTR goes for $60k CAD, I wonder what the new one will go for after dealer markup. For the money, you can get a CPO Camaro SS, Golf R, Mustang GT, or M2. I can see some rich kid driving this around on daddy's money but anyone who worked hard for their dollar will question whether a $60K Civic is a sane purchase, especially when there are better cars on the market with more cylinders.

[@rumble8014]

Unless it's 400+ HP 😁

[@eahughey]

@@rumble8014 🤔... then it will need Honda SH-AWD to distribute all that power to all 4 corners. Hoping against hope that Honda actually did this but... on a Civic?? Nope. It will be about 330hp front wheel drive and will be a great handling car but will get smoked in a straight line by a Golf R... but we can hope.

[@junlee7763]

Well said. I like the car, but definitely not worth of thr price tag with mark ups.

[@jonskislo1]

Slightly off topic from your original commentary, but since you have mentioned Golf R, I remember I have checked the price a few days ago on the Austrian VW page (on the Slovenian one it's not even listed under the models) and it starts FROM 72k euros! I remember checking a year or two ago and I think it was from around 50k-55k. Unbelievable - volkswagen :) maybe they should drop the volks from the name hihi. Although I wonder if that is just some Austrian tax or something, because recently I was comparing some cars from official car websites betewen AT and SLO and while some of them were similarly priced, quite a few had +7k differences in price (or more). Anyway, the prices are insane and I wouldn't care, but this means used car prices are also skyrocketing :(

[@flychomperfly]

With 20-20 hindsight, we now know that by mid-2023, the average price for ALL cars is USD 50k, and that this car sells to all demographics. The biggest problem isn't the MSRP... it's the dealer markups.

[@mateosmithy5668]

330 HP/310 Pound feet of torque, and a zero to 60 time of 4.8 seconds. There. You heard it here first, folks.

[@4ft3rburn3r]

and a 70k+ price tag after dealer markups 🤣

[@CLA82529]

That sounds great actually!

[@stuffs76]

307 hp & 296 torque

[@axebeard7677]

4.8? Naw bro, keep dreaming

[@infidel900rr]

I think you meant 5.8sec 0-60, but it's not about that... right?

[@seinundzeiten]

Styling improvement is great. The HP might increase to 320... Honda automatic have always been problematic, I would prefer manual over its automatic transmissions...

[@Nakafoto]

As an FK8 owner, there are some elements I like more and some I like less. Overall, I prefer the styling of the outgoing model. But since I track my Type R, I was mostly interested in performance...

[@gigi9467]

Why track a 4 door with economy car roots and FWD? Not being an ass but why not something else preferably RWD

[@julyman9]

@@gigi9467 CTR is the worlds fastest FWD car with racing roots, with faster lap times then several AWD and RWD cars with more cylinders, why would you not track it?

[@gigi9467]

@@julyman9 FWD, driving dynamics are not my cup of tea. Also tracking a 4 door poser status if u ask me, but once again my point there is better real sport cars for that price point, if it was 35k pr Less thats another story.

[@davemorris6747]

@@gigi9467 each to their own. I’ve tracked both and prefer FWD. I’m not a drifter so not bothered about RWD

[@gigi9467]

@@davemorris6747 not drifter here either, but yea its preference, i would Like to add though i think the majority prefers RwD, i just wish honda would Stop hiding behind this car and Male a brz or miata competator not another s2k maybe cuz they thing would be overpriced but a under 30k fun sporty car in RwD

[@snupermoto723]

I love those headlights.

[@nateoverthehorizon1176]

All for smaller rims and bigger tires, less potential for pothole damage to the rim and slight ride improvement

[@hdavey72]

It's still 30 series tires though. Should have been 35

[@Ficon]

Won't tell you power output = no meaningful change in power output from the outgoing model. Won't tell you suspension changes = no meaningful change in suspension geometry. Is it going to tramline like crazy with all that weight on the nose and 265s with no sidewall? The biggest question, given the inevitable dealer markups, is Type R or M340i? Or maybe a low-options base Cayman or C8?

[@MravacKid]

There's no way it's gonna come anywhere near a Cayman or Corvette in price, and even with the dealer markup the BMW should stay well above its price. Sure, it's possible there will be *someone* that will try to get a few more grand for it, but in that case those others in the same area will also be a few grand more.

[@Ficon]

@@MravacKid How’s the weather on a Pluto these days? Current-gen Type Rs were selling in the mid-50s before our interesting times when Kia Tellurides command a 10k markup. The new-gen uglies-snoozies are going to go for 60+ since none of the carmakers are interested in reigning in dealers. Hope folks have money left over for a tire budget with FWD and more than 300 hp.

[@jonj.2418]

This is a much higher level of Civic from 10-15 years ago and even in those days an Si was already commanding near 30k price levels. You would expect almost any turbocharged, premium sports car that makes more than 300 hp nowadays to start above 40k. Even the Hyundai R models are up there. You still get a nice performance car for the money in this current Type R IHMO. I highly doubt that you can get a near new, low mileage Corvette or Cayman for 60k right now. Also, try insuring one of those cars right now as a daily driver. This Type R can be daily driven comfortably, has passenger and cargo room, will get decent mpg and will happily sit in traffic with the A/C on full blast. Also, servicing this car won't be as expensive as a Porsche, BMW or the Vette. It's very manageable for the 30-60 yr. crowd with decent income to own comfortably.

[@Ficon]

@@jonj.2418 At the end of the day, it's still a 62/38 weight distribution car with about 100 hp more than FWD can handle. I thought my Mk. 7 GTI was good until I switched to a 50/50 RWD car. The incessant nose-heavy push at any cornering speeds makes the Type R not worth it, no matter what lap times it cranks out at Suzuka.

[@jonj.2418]

@@Ficon Honda engineers are no slouches when it comes to tuning the suspension in FWD cars. If you've ever driven the original Integra Type R you'll know. Honda and Mazda for the most part have been cranking out good handling FWD cars for decades. But it it's really just balance, steering input and lap times are all you're looking for then by all means go for the Cayman. The new 86, the Miata and a definitely an S2000 will do wonders as well.

[@michaelh.9866]

It's certainly better looking than the present Type R! Now... About the weight. How about something that's 100 lbs lighter than the previous model?

[@apt62]

With the current safety regulation it’s impossible

[@kookiecrumble7970]

Tail lights look much better!

[@sdlausen1]

All they did was add slightly more power (probably 20hp), ever so slight suspension tuning, but the main improvement is the fact that it now has 265 wide tires up front which it's predecessor didn't have. That's HUGE for a FWD car. I'm sure these tires are also sticker right out the box. That's about it.

[@Indifference2000]

Were you expecting them to reinvent the car? Or a hybrid/ electric?

[@Stephincyber]

This car is iconic... Type R is as Cyber Punk as it gets

[@swanblake]

Hate how some manufacturers "reveal" a car but give no information about the engine or price. Since Honda is being lame Im predicting $50k and Ill buy an Elantra N for $32k

[@johnpenwell6402]

Doesn’t look like a Gundam, how am I supposed to fight off radicalized space colonists? I get why people disliked the aggressive looks of the last gen but this just seems meh. Not terrible but not eye catching. That wing looks like a tacked on aftermarket part.

[@flychomperfly]

I completely agree!! Nothing special. That is... I agreed until I realized that in today's world, it's better not to stand out... unless u got a bunch of money...and then u be buying a BMW anyway 😁

[@Cwomack07]

Ewww! NO Automatics ever in the CTR. Save that as a "up market" option or standard equipment for the potentially forth coming Integra Type S/R or whatever they decide to call it.

[@Kenjiro5775]

How many chips will be missing on delivery?

[@flychomperfly]

Once covid was under control, the "chip shortsge" wasn't a factor....it was used as an excuse to produce only higher ticket items and increase prices. Pls note that there were huge releases of new smart phones and video games while car manufacturers were using chip shortage to gouge us.

[@N0ENEMIES]

This is exactly what the FK8 should have been. The Type R models were never some over the design. You had to know what the red badge and different wheels and spoiler meant. Less is more.

[@absolutelynot3065]

Hopefully there’s a wing delete version. I don’t care how functional it is. It’s embarrassing looking. That thing looks like it came straight from the JC Whitney catalog.

[@grriceman782]

It’s beautiful 🤩… I don’t think any current owners will want one however.

[@gaza1knockis49]

Honda you already tone down the looks of the type r..so now you need to turn up the horse power you still have time to make the rest of us happy & turn up the boost. every one is hoping a 345-350 mark

[@joshuamoore24_7]

Honda should make a sedan version of the Honda Civic type R.🚗

[@Yan7001978]

Elena is awesome in reviews, we should see her more! Telling what it is straight to the point! Honda? U see that? Even a girl is telling you that you're teasing is far too long!😆 That's very good work right there.👍

[@Balo657]

I think it looks perfect and love the red carpet!

[@federicogiutta1611]

Oh my God, you and your automatic transmission! If you want to ruin the car and it's resale value go ahead, throw an AT and see how it goes... Honda pls don't 💩 the bed with an AT for this beauty!

[@stevend3753]

Hopefully it sounds better than a Dyson this year.

[@paulm6481]

Best sedan in the world right here.

[@jtsimaras]

Exciting and manual only :)

[@absolutelynot3065]

So sad to think that these cars that Honda engineers spent thousands of hours on will be destroyed immediately by their owners who want hideous sounding exhausts and think that lowering it with inferior parts changing all of the suspension geometry will make it better. Morons

[@bobcurry2417]

Nailed the design. Can't wait for details.

[@medotorg2720]

Finally a Type R that doesn't look like a Manga Cartoon.

[@NCLme]

Ya no (hp) info but we can assume that 350 should be the Standard or at least 345 range should be sufficient bump in power Rrrrrr!!!!

[@CarTechConnect]

Dare I say it.. this may look better than the 8Y RS3… & I’m a die hard audi guy. Probably faster on a track too.. gg Honda 👏

[@hdavey72]

320 horse 🐎

[@kgthegreatone943]

Looks way better

[@bossadave]

Those front seats look low rent compared with previous version.

[@samkong2741]

Automatic ? NO WAY !

[@axebeard7677]

I don’t understand why Honda is being so secretive. It’s just a civic. Release the details!

[@ramonbriones4487]

This lady is a delight!

[@gothops154]

Imagine if they made this rwd ugh it would be 🤌

[@upshifter5316]

Can’t wait for Integra Type S.

[@lilflip1820]

The older I get the more I want a dual clutch. I will probably buy one if they offer a dual clutch. Don't kill me.

[@adnoHis1]

The Best Ever for sure!

[@NandyGeorges1]

My 2021 Type R body looks way better.... but i like this new speedometer...

[@hdavey72]

Hate the red carpet

[@jo05dk]

Back in the 80s i had a gen1 Honda Civic. That was a tiny, but fun, car. Now look at this behemoth.. Anyways: The looks. I strongly dislike the last few generations of Civic Type R for their looks, and for giving up on what used to make Honda great, their high revving VTEC engines. This i can imagine will make the people who loved the ricer look sad, but it sure is easier for me to look at. I would even go as far as to say that with the current generation the looks are a definite deal breaker, a non starter, for me, while the looks wont count as a negative on the new generation. No more feeling sick to my stomach. But: No matter the looks: I just hope it's good.

[@miguelnavarro7711]

No automatic.

[@SY-tn2io]

Now that looks good, not like the previous one’s boy racer look.

[@oreally8605]

It's gotta be at least $47k

[@claudionegri7172]

Type R MY 2023 will be the Hot Hatch of the year. My opinion is HONDA will be penalize for the chose to sell Type R only with Manal Grear box because his competitor on the maket as i.e VW Golf 8 R and Hyndai i30N Performance has the DCT automatic gear box. This particular (Automatic Gear Box) will give to the cars mor effect of traffic confort ( we do not spend all days in a tracks) mor efficency in handlyng and more speed from 0 to 60 by lanch controll. Honda must to give to his constumers the possibilty to chose the experiance they whants bying automatic gear or manual gear box.

[@Axel_The_Axolotl]

I guessing 325hp

[@stromghouls]

it is only for very rich people. dealers are selling these cars at almost twice the price. and at that price, there is a ton of faster more luxurious cars. i'm not paying 80 000 dollars for a civic.

[@patmanz28]

This looks way better than that stupid previous model. the previous model looked like it was drawn by an 8-year-old

[@hdavey72]

Same torque

[@gigi9467]

Cool car and all but for 40k+ there is better more serious performance vehiclea

[@barakuda8454]

Like the automatic if there is one.

[@FlowTieGuy]

Corolla GR is way cooler and has AWD. FWD for a performance car is lame. Only FWD homers would argue that.

[@flychomperfly]

Actually, not at all for the Core edition. But then there's that Circuit Edition... oh, wow - now THAT'S a beautiful car!

[@operationgetthugs232]

Looks like it was designed in the 1980's.

[@hdavey72]

Too much red inside. Too much

[@roadrailn]

AWD and Black carpet…Red is going to be Impossible to keep clean. Nailed everything else tho

[@flychomperfly]

No one is using the red anyway... they all immediately install all-weather mats LOL

[@tylerprochot3864]

Overall I’m disappointed in this. The FK-2 and FK-8 in my opinion looked way better. Performance wise, obviously, only time will tell what we will think of it. I do like the telemetry that you get integrated into the infotainment system though, but that’s a about it. The rear wing honestly is pathetic. I know I may be being harsh but I stand with my view on the car. It’s just not the same. Take the Nissan Skyline (GT-R) for example. We all loved the R32, R33, and R34, but when the R35 came out, it just didn’t scream “Skyline” like the others did and the Type-R seems to be falling into the same footsteps unfortunately. I know my view on the new Type-R may be a bit controversial but if anyone agrees or even disagrees with my view please say so as I’d love to know what the community thinks of it.

[@daworldthroughmyeyez]

To be honest the car is way better looking... the out going model was too child like and racer boy for me... this looks like a great weekend car to have some fun and then I can drive to work on Monday Still be taken seriously as an adult

[@matthewbowen5841]

It just looks so goofy. Im not a fan of Honda's new exterior styling. The hood is too long, the headlights look sleepy, overall misproportioned and unathletic. Tack on a wing and it makes it even worse. Similar visuals to a 2003 Kia Rio with a body kit, rims and a wing. I'm sure the performance will advance the cause from the old car. Which was a bit too aggressive as a regular hatch and Si, but perfect as the Type R. It's less wild friend getting a job in a law office and more 65 year old who suddenly dyes their hair bright blue, gets a face tattoo and gauges, and starts showing too much skin.

[@nthgth]

Looks way better, especially from the front, but really anything would've looked better than that... that _thing_ this is replacing. Wtf is up with those giant ass wheels though.. aren't Civics for normal people? This isn't a street-legal-track-car Camaro Z/28, it's a fun daily that won't embarrass itself _on_ the track anyhow. Looking forward to pricing info but I'm not holding my breath for useful news

[@aleoimpala]

Look damn good!

[@DaBrute]

Dealers are gonna mark this up until it's pointless to even consider buying it

[@johnhanson403]

That a lotta horse for a front wheel drive

[@NevadaJohn1]

Boring. It looks like a generic nice looking sedan and offers nothing exciting. 2.0 turbo like every other car on the market. The GR Racing Corolla is so much more interesting I don't even think they're in the same league.

[@MikeJones-on9vm]

The gr Corolla looks typical, similar to a 07 Mazda speed 3 lol. This CTR looks much better inside and out imo. And yes the GR is not in the same league as the CTR.

[@YasssStitch]

Coming to your neighborhood friendly dealership for only $100K.

[@brettkalmeta3238]

Sorry - no offense. Within 30 seconds I didn't like her take. Unless you're a wholehearted enthusiast I don't want your opinion. No bueno

[@Cgee3]

She is an well known enthusiast and long time auto journalist. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@purplepeoplesparty2368]

NO automatic, period.

[@944reanimation9]

ewwwww. one butt ugly car. so glad I bought my fk8 and didn't wait for this eyesore. fk8 is such a better looking car. the front is so ugly on the 2023. so is the sideview. looks like a dodge. the front face just falls off like a cliff. too blank in front without fog lamps. mirrors are horrible shaped too. could the center of the steering wheel bulge out anymore. looks like a basketball

[@deanmarr785]

meh. Golf R for the win

[@Tireme683]

Yuck glad to have a 2021. Just can't find a single thing I like about the body inside or out. Sure better performance is always welcome but this looks more like a accord type R than a civic.

[@thepixelated]

340 hp

[@miguel97yahoo]

I say 350 hp.