Revelation 12 and the Woman Clothed with the Sun

In Revelation 12, there is a woman who is clothed with the sun with the moon under feet, adorned with a crown of 12 stars.
In this video by Dr. Brant Pitre, he discusses the meaning of Revelation 12 and the famous woman in Revelation 12, clothed with the sun and crowned with twelve stars.
For many centuries Catholics have recognized this woman to not only be an image of the Church but also an individual: Mary, the Queen of the Universe, the mother of Jesus
This can be concluded in many ways but Dr. Pitre explains that you can see this woman is referring to a particular woman by looking at the other individuals in the vision that St. John sees in Revelation 12: the child is an individual (Christ) and the dragon is an individual (satan). If the child is an individual and the dragon is an individual, what does that suggest to you about the woman? That she's an individual as well. And, this woman is the mother of the child who is described as the messiah, Jesus Christ. Therefore, it would follow that the woman of Revelation 12 is Mary, Jesus' mother.
Moreover, as mentioned above, this woman is wearing a crown. And, while that is not all too uncommon today to see a woman wearing a crown, in ancient Israel whenever a woman was wearing a crown and on a throne, she was a queen. And, not the wife of the king but the mother of the queen - the Queen Mother of the Old Testament.
And, lastly, Dr. Pitre affirms that the assertion that Catholics call Mary "Queen of the Universe" or "Queen of Heaven" does not mean that Catholics think she is divine (we do not offer sacrifice to her, for example, and the Church has condemned such practices in the early Church like with the Collyridians). Rather, Catholics only declare Mary as "Queen of the Universe" (aside from the fact that she has the moon underfoot whilst wearing a crown in Revelation 12) and "Queen of Heaven" (aside from the fact that she, as Revelation 12 says, is in heaven wearing a crown) insofar as her son is King of the Universe and King of Heaven. For, the Queen Mother is only so by her relation to the King. And, this is an essential element of the Catholic Church's teaching about Mary: namely, that what it teaches about Mary is only to further anchor and secure what it teaches about Jesus.
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[@joholly4536]

Every religion has a different interpretation...but yours are greater and makes a lot of sense based in the history of Jesus and Mary...God bless your work Dr. Pitre!

[@candelario4288]

There’s only one true Religion, the Catholic Religion.

[@Yahuah222]

She’s the Holy Spirit, our true Heavenly Mother

[@captainmartin1219]

@@Yahuah222 Were does it say this in the bible? I am not saying your wrong, but why would she be the holy spirit?

[@chommie5350]

@@Yahuah222 She's not the Holy Spirit as she is not part of the Trinity .

[@Alexander07865]

@@Yahuah222 whether u believe in Islam or idolize Mary. U need to read exodus 20:4. Repent and trust in Jesus. There is only ONE MEDIATOR. Not two. He is the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through Jesus.

[@louielopez2748]

Nice try.....totally pushing a doctrine to say what the word does not says.

[@yahruachson2786]

27As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and blessed are the breasts that nursed You.” 28But He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.” Same statues (idols) used by the Pagans venerating the "Queen of Heaven" and Son Tammuz sit it Catholic churches with the names changed to Mary and Jesus.

[@michaeldillinger3088]

Alright. Now give your proof that's it wrong. Anyone can make a claim. It's in the evidence we see it's validity

[@elizabethd.838]

Louie Lopez Please provide a refutation of the assertions presented.

[@ashlimyers207]

No!!! did you read the rest of the chapter??? Israel DOES NOT hold the testimony of Jesus Christ!!! Eve is the woman

[@yamar6]

The woman represents Israel and not Mary ,.and God will continue to protect Israel till His return, and twelve stars represents twelve tribes of Israel ..

[@STN2013]

The WOMAN is the Church, the SUN is Jacob, the MOON is Rachel, the 12 STARS are the 12 Tribes of Israel. Genesis 37:9-10 (Joseph's Dream) 9 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me. 10 And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth? The CHILD is JESUS. The DRAGON is the Devil leading the countries of the European Common Market. The WOMAN fled into the WILDERNESS, the only place of safety during the GREAT TRIBULATION. THERE IS NO RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH. You will have to flee into the Wilderness. It is the place prepared of God (Revelation 12:6) to keep you for 3 1/2 years. (The time of the Great Tribulation is 3 1/2 years NOT 7) God will reveal where the wilderness is when the abomination of desolation takes place. (When the POPE takes his seat in the new 3rd temple in Israel.) We know the Great Tribulation is only 3 1/2 years because Jesus will have to complete his 7 years of ministry according to Daniel he was cut off at 3 1/2 years. His ministry was for 1 week of years. He will finish his remaining 3 1/2 years of ministry in the wilderness teaching us (the Church) bringing us into the bond of the covenant. Daniel 9:26-27 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. It doesn't matter where you are in the world if you are keeping God's 10 Commandments and have knowledge of the correct interpretation of this prophecy (Revelation 12) you to can be there. You will not need a passport God will make a way to get you there. Revelation 12:14 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. The WOMAN was given 2 wings of a great eagle to get into the wilderness to be kept for a time (1 year) and times (2 years) and a half of time (1/2 year). WINGS OF A GREAT EAGLE where did we see this before? Exodus 19:4 (Children of Israel in Egypt) 4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself. The Children of Israel needed nothing but to believe God through Moses. God delivered them and he will do the same for you if you believe and keep his commandments. The WILDERNESS will be the only place of safety during the Great Tribulation NOWHERE else. God has given the beast power to overcome the saints and make war with them. (Revelation 13:7) The Dragon will make war with the remnant of the WOMAN'S seed. (Those which keep the commandments of God) Revelation 12:17 Keep the 10 commandments of God, pray that he will keep you during this time and he will deliver you. God bless!

[@TheRgordon16]

The woman gave birth to the Messiah. But the Messiah BUILT the church. How can you say the Messiah came from the church when in fact the church came from the Messiah. The church did not give birth to the Messiah; Israel did. The vision resembles Joseph’s dream. Joseph’s vision represented Jacob his father (The Sun) his mother (the moon) and his brothers (the stars). The whole vision (the woman herself) represents the nation of Israel; not the church. Israel gave birth to the Messiah and then the Messiah BUILT His church through his own blood.

[@STN2013]

@@TheRgordon16 the church is Israel. I did not clarify.

[@blazinga1200]

@@STN2013The church is made up of spiritual Israel, but those who are the physical bloodline of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are still "asleep". The Father has not yet redeemed Israel from the four corners of the earth, as stated in the bible. Israel is currently hidden. The world will be shocked when they learn who the true Israelites are. All will soon know the truth though.

[@harveywabbit9541]

Mary is also Mari the sea that gives birth to all.

[@rickhuntling7338]

Mary is a WOMAN period. She waits for the resurection just as we will wait after we die. JESUS tells us this to Mary "woman" on the cross to behold her son sanding beside her not GOD hanging on the cross. JN.19:26,27. JESUS questions Mary as HIS mother, then refers to who everyone who does the will of GOD as HIS brother, sister and mother. John 2:4 one of the few times Mary is referred to HE refers to her as only a "woman". Mary can't make intercession on our behalf, only the ONE who died in our place and paid the price can intercede for us. The OT forbids worship of a queen of heaven. Jer. 7:18,19,44:18. Praying to a dead woman, lighting candles to a statue as your on your knees is worshiping an idol. Sorry if the truth hurts but it is scripture.

[@jongricafort4]

Genesis3:15, know first who is the Woman. and Revelation12:1

[@rickhuntling7338]

Genesis 3:15 the woman is every woman who ever sinned from the seed of Eve and gives birth. 1st Tim. 2:13-15. Gen.12:1 is the constellation Virgo, this sign occured on September 23rd 2017. It only happened once before in 3978 BC the day of original sin.

[@jongricafort4]

@@rickhuntling7338 John2:4 and John19:26

[@harveywabbit9541]

Not only is Jesus one with the father, he is also one with the mother. I (Isaiah = the spring Sun), will take vengeance - I will not meet thee as a man (the barren Earth), but as a woman (the Earth in summer). Isaiah 47.3. Isaiah is identical with Christ the summer sun (female). Jesus, the winter sun, comes out (Passover) as the Anointed sun Isaiah/Christ who is female. Remember where the Savior comes out of winter, wearing the girdle of Aphrodite/Venus around his/her paps. Rev 1.13.

[@financialservice6349]

I dont worship Mary but i Honor her as the mother of our Lord Jesus Christ..... I have a great respect her so much shes very prayerful

[@MaryJo18]

Catholics don't worship Mary. We honour her.

[@Alexander07865]

@@MaryJo18 if you pray to someone u worship them. If u bow down to someone and believe they have power u worship them. That’s what Catholics do. Read exodus 20:4. Repent and trust in Jesus. There is only ONE MEDIATOR. Jesus is the way, truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father except through Jesus.

[@ricardocineus3799]

@@Alexander07865 Listen dear. With all due respect. Catholics do not worship Mary my friend. Stop this speculation. It's false. They ask Mary to pray for them ( Intercession) is not worship. And yes I agree Jesus is the only mediator to God but that does not mean you can not ask someone to pray for you. Christians do it all the time. Pray to one another. So why we pray for one another then? Don't get the text out of context.

[@Alexander07865]

@@ricardocineus3799 U guys having statues of Mary taller than buildings and bowing down and praying to and kneeling in front of those statues is an abomination. If u read in Exodus and Deuteronomy, God strictly forbids and he said a man is to be cursed if one makes a statue or carved image of someone or something and bows down or worships it. Exodus 20:4-6, Deuteronomy 4:16-19, Deuteronomy 16:21-22, Deuteronomy 27:15. How can u pray to someone to pray for u that makes no sense. U change the meaning of prayer and that's the problem, u pray to God and only to God and u ask him things and thank him for things. U don't pray to humans. Praying to humans is an abomination. U pray to God. Jesus said as it is written, u worship the Lord, your God and serve him ONLY. Luke 4:8. Rev 12 is talking about Israel. The Bible is clear on that. The Bible is also clear u go through Christ to get to the father not through Mary. 1 Timothy 2:5. Not through saints, the saints u pray to r physically dead and no one is in Heaven except God and his Angels. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. So u don't understand Mary and the saints aren't in Heaven because u have be Judged first. Heaven is ethereal. U can't go to Heaven than leave than go back. There is different realms of Heaven but the end destination like Heaven and the lake of fire in Hell is Ethereal. U ask people like your friends and family on earth who r alive not dead to pray for u but u always pray to God. Ur praying to dead people to pray for u which makes no sense. And it is an abomination to God. Deuteronomy 18:11. There is salvation in one name, the name of Jesus. Repent and put your faith and trust in Jesus and Jesus alone.

[@The-Carpenter]

​@@Alexander07865When the rich man died, the Bible says he went to hell and Lazarus was in a place of comfort. The rich man was communicating with Abraham. If you read that passage, you will need to ask yourself: how was Abraham talking to the rich guy; how did Abraham know the things the rich man did; how did Abraham know about Moses who came much after him? It is God who gives some that knowledge. Those who die in God live on for eternity. No Catholic worships Mother Mary (it is a big lie); they seek her intercession with her Son. I think it would be wrong to assume that if the angels and saints can intercede for us (and, yes, it is Biblical), Mother Mary can't. Just look at who she bore in her womb! If placing a picture is idol worship, then we are all guilty of it. Every home has a picture of a loved one. We are not just spritual, but physical beings and that is why God manifests himself physically in history. A picture of Christ, or the crucifix, helps us connect. God himself instructed Moses to hold a bronze serpent high. He also instructed what should go on the ark of the covenant. If we speak and pray looking at a statue, it is who the statue represents that is the key. If it is that of a bull, then we are certainly in trouble.

[@hawariya_haymanot12]

I’m orthodox but thank you so much for your explanation it’s so helpful

[@thomascapitalmgt]

My doctor is Greek born. BRILLIANT mind. He is learning about the Latin Rite. He asks great questions.

[@robertsullivan4773]

Everytime I stop to listen to him I learn something and the fog of confusion on many scriptural subjects clears away and I understand. It's so great.

[@propriusly]

It is virtually impossible to discuss the Theotokos with most Protestants, but especially with Evangelicals. They refuse to listen, they are filled with hate for the woman who bore Christ.

[@levrai944]

I agree with 9/10 of what you said. It really seems like they don’t listen and are filled with hate. But it’s possible

[@Korble-gy5ps]

"They don't agree with how Catholics treat Mary" = "They are filled with hate for the woman who bore Christ". Got it. You don't sound fanatical at all.

[@campaigningmc7812]

It really depends on what you are talking about (as in, the specific dogma). Like most confessional protestants will agree with Mary being called theotokos, but won’t concede on the assumption or immaculate conception (not including perpetual virginity because not all deny it either, but a lot of them do). Still, the vast majority seem to lack any form of good mariology. Which makes sense because, if they did, they would probably stop being protestant.

[@jacobgeorge3727]

What i don't understand is if they are filled with Holy Spirit then GOD wont deny this because she was sent by GOD himself.

[@bonita16effy]

Catholics dont worship Mother Mary instead, we venerate her with high respect

[@ttshiroma]

Actions speak louder than words! Praying TO HER is WORSHIP not veneration! No need to argue I just completely disagree!

[@scottmedeiros5493]

@@ttshiroma it is not worship we're asking her to pray for us how is that worship ?

[@shiduschannel5151]

@@ttshiroma if you're sick why pastor and priest come and pray for you

[@RumorHazi]

@@ttshiroma Worship involves sacrifice. We make no sacrifice to Mary, only to Jesus. Just admit that you don’t understand the Catholic veneration of the Blessed Mother. Just because you don’t understand it isn’t our fault. Don’t tell us what we believe. Any 8th grader could do the research from legitimate Catholic sources and inform themselves of what we actually believe.

[@jaynorartacho4149]

The Immaculate Conception 🙏🙏🙏

[@glorianajoyjoyjoyjoy6110]

I hoped he had more time to dig more in this topic for us. This helps a lot. Thank you

[@CatholicProductions]

Hey Bower. Thanks for your comment. We'll be trying to release more segments on different topics as time goes on. The Bible study from which this segment came, provided someone is interested in all of the topics Dr. Pitre covers in this series, can be found here: catholicproductions.com/products/why-we-believe-answer-common-questions-about-the-catholic-faith --- Thanks and God Bless you.

[@ajamusic7322]

I read Ch 12 a while back, only saw the first verse as a clear vision of Mary. But a dragon and her fleeing to the desert confused me. After watching your video about Mary as the Queen Mother, and taking us through the evidence in both Matthew 1 and Luke 1 before Revelation 12, i went to read the chapter again and it really started to resemble the Nativity, like a heavenly perspective!!

[@Thundralight]

John 19:26-27 Behold Your Mother . 26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home.

[@almazavala3934]

SCENIC MUSIC VIDEOS Jesus also said Mark 3:35 35 Whoever does God’s will is my brother and sister and mother.”

[@TheRgordon16]

Meaning what?

[@isaachaar7439]

@@TheRgordon16that verse I believe is referring to the fact that if we do God's Will we can be like Holy Mary, Our HOPE, our Sweetness etc, Mary is the perfect disciple, She is our Hope in that She is a human perfectly submitted to God Grace! Her Assumption shows us our future, giving us hope! So we should look at Her life and seek to imitate Her, and Ask Her to show us how we can best serve Her Son and become perfect disciples!

[@TheRgordon16]

@@isaachaar7439 Nonsense. Paul never writes about Mary. James (her own son) never wrote about her. Peter never wrote about her. Jude never said a word about her. The writer of Hebrews never wrote about her. And even John (the one whom Jesus told to look after her) never whote a word about her. Not a single word was written by the disciples that we should look to Mary as an example for being a perfect disciple. Paul often spoke of himself as an example. He reference other leaders as examples. But he never wrote about Mary. Jesus Himself never spoke of Mary as someone we should speak to. Jesus gave us access to Himself through our relationship with Him. We don't need Mary for anything. Jesus is all we need.

[@isaachaar7439]

@@TheRgordon16 Without Mary we don't have Jesus, He needs a Mother to be Born... Not sure how someone could miss that...

[@bengoolie5197]

Another excellent instruction, Dr. Pitre. Thank you for all the teaching you do.

[@Savsevents]

Thanks for clarifying the right understanding of revelation ch12. Every so called pastor or reverend called the women as Israel . Why is it so difficult to appreciate and thank the blessed mother of our lord Jesus Christ.imagine being chosen as the only women in the entire world to be the mother of god, how divine and blessed is she. I believe her as my mother too.and as a mother she takes care of her children. The first miracle of Jesus turning water into wine was initiated by mother Mary. She was there with Jesus till his dying breath,while all the apostles ran away. Hats off to the mother of our lord Jesus Christ.

[@connormays4038]

She is blesses but she is not divine

[@Rohan-zj8nl]

The book of Revelation 1 says write the things which must take place after. Is this not after the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Revelation 12 does not indicate Mary.

[@adelaidawallaert287]

Exceptionally beautiful explanation about the Blessed Virgin Mary as the Queen of Heaven and Earth. Thank you so much Dr. Brant Pitre. God bless you.

[@sirk_7144]

Mary wasn't a virgin anymore she had 5 children after Jesus...

[@TheRgordon16]

Mary is not the “queen of heaven”. The woman in Revelation 12 “flees to the wilderness “ after Jesus ascends to heaven. When did Mary ever flee into a wilderness after Jesus ascended to heaven? The dragon sends a flood out of his mouth to destroy the woman. When did Satan ever send a flood (an army) to pursue Mary?

[@TheRgordon16]

Craig Alan Miller You shouldn’t drink and comment. Makes you sound like a babbling, incoherent alcoholic

[@nick.t1243]

Craig Alan Miller im pretty sure Satan means the accuser/ opposition/ adversary

[@shiduschannel5151]

@@sirk_7144 you can check the history....no one say that 5 children of Mary was true but Joseph previous wife and some cousin

[@sleepwalker7755]

Absurd exegesis. Revelation 12 is clearly about Israel. You are a false teacher.

[@JJ-cw3nf]

When did Protestants first come up with the interpretation that the women is not Mary? And was every church is agreement the woman of Revelations 12 is Mary before Protestantism?

[@Adam-ue2ig]

No...for atleast first 500 years actually the church Fathers interpreted Revelation 12 as referencing the church being the woman i.e bride of Christ not Mary...when bodily assumption of Mary started coming in as a doctrinal possibility in the late 5th to early 6th century slowly you start getting interpretations moving towards it being Mary and not the church.

[@JJ-cw3nf]

@@Adam-ue2ig Wrong. Epiphanus wrote in 374 AD the woman is the Virgin Mary. I see you lying all over KZbin

[@jvlp2046]

Apostle John whom Christ commanded to take care of Blessed Mary when Christ died on the Cross, never even WITNESSED her Ascension/ Assumption of both her Body and Soul to heaven carried by the Angels... Christ Jesus when He ascended back to Heaven, the Apostles, and some 500 Gentile converts saw Christ disappear in the Sky... In Revelation, the Woman dressed in While like the Sun with 12 Stars on her forehead seen by John was not Blessed Mary, it was a Metaphorical Symbol of vision just like the Woman riding the Dragon in Purple and Scarlet clothes... both are not Literal Human Women... Logically speaking, if that was Blessed Mary, would it be nicer if Apostle John wrote down her name if that is so?... "Prophetic Vision" is supposed to be happening at present and mostly in the future but not in the Past... Blessed Mary giving birth to Jesus was in the Past (already occurred) In fact, The True Interpretation of Rev. 12:... The WOMAN shown in the White dress (as bright as the Sun) is the BRIDE of Christ Jesus... The BRIDE (Woman) symbolizes the CHURCH of GOD dressed in White symbolizing Clean and Pure... with 12 STARS on her forehead, symbolizes the 12 Apostles of Christ... about to give birth to the "Man-Child" but before she gave birth, God SNATCH AWAY her so that the Dragon could not eat the Man-Child... The Dragon symbolizes Satan/AntiChrist/False Prophet (Unholy Trinity)... MAN-CHILD symbolizes People of God which are the Christians Believers both MAN (Judeo Christians) + CHILD (Gentile Christians)... "Man-Child" also symbolizes the "O.T. and the N.T." ... "the Old Wine and the Young Wine," ... "Moses Law (Old) and Christ Law (New).". God's SNATCH AWAY of the Woman/Bride symbolizes RAPTURE (Harpazo) of the CHURCH... before the WRATH OF GOD (Day of the Lord) begins/starts... Amen.

[@67gittith]

My theory is the Revelation 12 sign is the sign of the son of man. Don’t pray to Mary...pray to God !!! the people of the Catholic Church have been lied to ...they even changed the 10 commandments in the catholic bible...research it for yourself...God said “come out of her my people”

[@seanrathmakedisciples1508]

Amen yes you’re right. The woman here is Israel referred in Isaiah etc. I’ve subscribed to your KZbin channel and I now have started a youtube channel with 31 videos to date Kindly subscribe and share and comment and watch.

[@Yahuah222]

THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE HEAVENLY MOTHER NOT MARY

[@chommie5350]

Hehehe you are a bot for sure ...a stupid bot too

[@ricardocineus3799]

Prove it since you're trying to use Sola scriptura. Where does it say that? Or it's your own interpretation what you think it is.

[@alfray1072]

Woman means FEMALE PERSON, not a country/kingdom/nation that got destroyed 2000 years ago for rejecting the Son of God Lord Jesus! How can a kingdom called i_srael soaked in wickedness and evil birthed The Son of God Lord Jesus? Again, you are basically posting false heretical views. REV 12 is a clear description of the battle between the woman who brought forth The Messiah King Jesus (Mary) and the dragon (devil) by John by witnessing Mary as the Ark of the Covenant of the NT (REV 11:19) revealing itself as the Queen Mother of heaven (crowned with 12 stars) battling the dragon in REV 12 in the end times. This war was foreshadowed in the Old Testament in GEN 3:15 when God gave enmity between the woman (Mary) and the serpent (devil) meaning they are in perpetual battle eternally because Mary is the mother of the Lord God, the NT Gebirah, all mothers of the Davidic kings of Israel were rightfully called "Queen Mothers". The queenship in heaven is in PSALM 45:9 SIRACH 24. This is why Mary is the queen crowned with 12 stars seen by John in Revelation 12. Mary is the WOMAN of Revelation because she was always addressed as a woman / lady by his Son Jesus (JOHN 2; JOHN 19-25-29), Gnyai in the original Greek, a title of respect given to her office. GALATIANS 4:4-5 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent his Son, made of a WOMAN, made under the law: 5 That he might redeem them who were under the law: that we might receive the adoption of sons.

[@isoldesummer5367]

Thank you so much for this!!!

[@CatholicProductions]

Thanks Isolde. Glad this helped!

[@annav4620]

I am happy to hear you say that Mary was not divine, but human. So many seem unable to understand that Mary could not possibly be divine, or Jesus would not have been human at all. I think you are misinterpreting Revelation 12, as it is referring to an actual SIGN IN HEAVEN that took place last September 23, 2017. The Sun, Moon and Stars were given to us for Signs, and this is clearly what the passage is pointing to as it LITERALLY happened in the sky/heavens last year. There are spiritual patterns and overtones of course that reference the virgin birth, but the Sign and the birth of the child in THIS context are referring to the BODY of the Christ Child, which is now understood to be believers in Christ the Messiah. Communion is not the only form of sacrifice that God recognizes. Praise, prayer and worship are all considered sacrifices unto the Lord. Some examples: Lev 7:12; Psa 50:14; Psa 119:108; Isa 57:19; Jer 33:11; Jer 33:18;Hos 14:2; Rom 12:1; Heb 12:28; 1Pet 2:5 Offering these sacrifices of Praise, PRAYER and Worship to any other than God the Father through our Lord Jesus Christ is Idolatry. JESUS is our High Priest and our only Intercessor - NO man comes to the Father but through HIM (John 14:6). Mary, as a blessed but HUMAN woman, is now ASLEEP until the resurrection and unable to answer prayers as that is what JESUS shed his blood to do. JESUS and JESUS alone is our intercessor according to HIS OWN instructions as well as the WORD OF GOD which He can NOT contradict, as HE IS that very Word made manifest in the flesh. There is no “Queen of Heaven” that we are instructed to worship or deify in ANY way in the Word of God. We are, as you yourself cited in Jeremiah, instead CLEARLY told that to do so is an ABOMINATION to our Father in Heaven, as it is Idolatry. May God BLESS you with revelation about the particular blessings and curses placed on the Book of Revelation, and enable you to see and teach the truth of His Word in Jesus’ name.

[@josephinemullar7857]

@@CatholicProductions Your video has just began and I know you are going to repeat some part of the lie! The woman in Revelation 12's Child was caught up to the throne of God at the time of birth. When Mary gave birth to Yehoshua he was not caught up to the throne of God. That woman is no symbol and she is not Mary. Mary was born by King David's linage so that when Yehoshua was born he fulfilled the promise by God's covenant through Judah. If you read Genesis 49:10 you will see that the sceptre would not depart from between Judah's feet until Shiloh came. So who is Shiloh to whom the obedience of the peoples belongs? In the first century when Yehoshua was born to Mary he had some obedient followers who began to make the 144,000 from the 12 tribes being what the 12 stars represents. But this woman was prophetic for God foretold through the Apostle Paul Hebrews 1:6 that he would again bring his Firstborn into the inhabited earth. This corresponds with the woman being arrayed with the sun and the moon beneath her feet. That is because when this woman gave birth to the Son of God in His second coming when he was caught away to his Father's throne to rule over earth with the 144,000 from the 12 tribes Rev. 7 and Rev. 14 there will no more be any need for the sun nor the moon to shine for Almighty God will be the light that will shine upon that city and the Lamb will be the lamp Revelation 21:22-27. The woman's Patriarch Jacob prophesied these two births in Genesis 49:25 by blessings of breasts and blessing of womb. That is because Mary nurtured her child when born to her in the first coming from King David's linage and also in the second coming when caught away to heaven. The second coming being prophesied all through the bible was to be by the Levitical priesthood linage of Phinehas to whom God Almighty gave a covenant promise that his offspring would have a covenant of a priesthood to time indefinite Numbers 25:10-13. That is because our King and High Priest will come in full power and Glory having the sceptre and commanders staff that will never depart from his possession. The Son of God who was named Jesus or Yehoshua in the First coming was called by those in heaven Emmanuel meaning when translated 'With Us Is God Matthew 1:22,23 which corresponds with Genesis 49:25.. Our King and High Priest has been born on two occasions by DNA from the lineage of Kings and also DNA from the linage of High Priest Phinehas that he will rule with 144,000 over earth in the manner of Melchizedek Hebrews 6:20 and Hebrews chapter 7 and chapter 8. This is prophesies fulfilment just prior to judgment that will come when the lies spoken of Revelation 12 is exposed and the truth is upheld.

[@rickhuntling7338]

@Josephine Muller Yes Rev. 21:1 was seen in the heavens as you stated. But verses 2-4 have also been fulfilled. In verse 2 the "travailing" is before the birth but Isa. 66:7 the birth has no travailing before the birth. The "woman" is scattered Isreal and the "child" is the nation of Isreal ready to be reborn after the "travailing" holocaust. The "wonder" in verse 3 is the constellation of the dragon. In it's tail is Ursa Minor where we get the symbol of the swastika. The tail wraps around Polaris making it is seen both day and night accusing the brethren, 12:10.. The heads and crowns are Muslim nations. Verse 4 the Jews are drawn into camps and ghettos. It is 1\3rd (6 million Jews) of the stars of heaven (Dan. 8:10, Gen. 22:17) they are cast to the earth (murdered). The woman (scattered Isreal) is ready to be delivered (1948 Isa. 66:8). The dragon tried to devour her child the day it was born. Verse 5 is the rapture of the body of CHRIST his church. Isa. 26:18-20, for which we watch for to come any day.

[@JesusmySalvation]

Thank you so much for more heresy from people that follow a pagan jesus that can't even save himself.

[@cliffbarber1642]

I know that Catholics and Protestants have differences on the interpretation of Revelation 12, but maybe we can agree to disagree on this one, but still affirm our love for one another and Jesus Christ!😀 As Christians, it’s natural for us all whether Catholic or Protestant to ask others to pray for us. If we know they are praying people, we ask our friends or even strangers to “pray for us”! When I was younger, I knew that my grandmother was a prayerful person and very spiritual. I would ask her to pray for me - ALL the time! This is the way I see my devotion to Mary, the Mother of God. Because I know that she is close to our Lord (she was his mother afterall), I ask her to pray for me to our Lord (to intervene) not unlike the way I asked my grandmother to intervene. As Dr. Pitre has said in other posts, in Jewish times, the mother of the king was called the Queen. I pray to the Queen Mother to intervene and appeal to her Son! Anyway, just wanted to share how I think about this. May the peace of Christ be with you all!

[@foolfether]

Horizontal intercession (as in 'please, pray for me') is only between living humans, not the living and the dead. Vertical intercession (as in 'Our Father, Who art in heaven, please forgive me') is only between Christ and living humans. Whatever you think of Mary ('theotokos', 'queen of heaven', etc.), she is dead. She can't intercede for you.

[@cliffbarber1642]

You are correct that the body dies, but the spirit and soul live on. Billy Graham, in his preaching, would often say your you can kill the body, but the soul will live forever either in heaven or hell. This why for example, suicide is not the end of the story. The bodies of the saints have died, you are correct, we don’t pray to their physical bodies we pray to their spirits which are very much alive! And so with Mary, although I will leave it to the theologians to discuss whether because she was without stain, her body and soul were taken up to Heaven? I appreciate the discussion and wishing you the peace of Christ during these challenging times!😀

[@foolfether]

@@cliffbarber1642 In ancient times it was said the dead went to Sheol. Christ said God can destroy the soul in the lake of fire (meaning, souls are not eternal). The apostles said the spirit returns to God but the dead is asleep until Christ gathers his people at the last trump. So, I insist, Mary can't intercede for you, because she is waiting for the resurrection just as every other saint. Edit: Sorry! Peace to you as well.

[@blazinga1200]

@@foolfether Thank you! Although the Catholics mean well, they are sadly mistaken in the role they've given to Mary that was never hers. The other poster is correct in that the soul never dies. But all souls are currently in a waiting place. The bible tells us, the dead has no knowledge of what is happening under the sun. That would include Mary.

[@foolfether]

@@blazinga1200 I think Catholics and Orthodox make the same categorical mistake: they equate the archetype and it's manifestations. The archetype is the Virgin; some of it's manifestations are Israel (as the ancient people brought out of Egypt), Mary (mother of Jesus) and the Church (as the chosen people, both Jews and Gentiles). Apart from that, how do you know souls are eternal if Jesus said God will destroy the souls sent to the lake of fire?

[@haroldhart2688]

WORSHIP GOD THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE AND JESUS HIS SON ....... AND NOT MARY

[@arnoldmaglalang5522]

Veneration is not worshipping but honoring your mother

[@arnoldmaglalang5522]

Revelation.12 of God to John what he saw. WOMAN would he say anything else. Cloth with sun moon under her feet. Mary proof she gone assumption in heaven. When Jesus was on the cross Jesus called her mother Woman and John would look after her when.Jesus. In genesis God said he will put enmity between snake and Woman. God plan of salvation If Jesus is new Adam. Mary is the new eve spotless no original sin. Holy spirit spouse. Woman in genesis woman in.Jesus foot of the cross with John and Woman describe by John in revelation 12 the same woman. Queen of heaven that is automatic Jesus being the King of Heaven. Like King Solomon his mother has a seat as queen. Revelation.12 woman mother Mary would not get less.

[@arnoldmaglalang5522]

Mary is the new assumption is called dormition assume in heaven No relics of Mary found by archeologist. Dormition assume or assumption not new. The assumption to heaven without physical death of Enoch. Elijah. Moses. Straight to heaven no physical death. How much more to the Mother of the living.Christ

[@luzbaez7316]

Virgin, Mother and Queen!

[@sawyerwhited6802]

So when did Mary flee into the wilderness for 1,260 days per Rev. 12:5?

[@alfray1072]

Mary, Baby Jesus and Joseph (holy family) fled to the wilderness (Egyptian desert) to escape the persecution of Israel's King Herod. Woman means FEMALE PERSON, not a country/kingdom/nation that got destroyed 2000 years ago for rejecting the Son of God Lord Jesus! How can a kingdom called i_srael soaked in wickedness and evil birthed The Son of God Lord Jesus? REV 12 is a clear description of the battle between the woman who brought forth The Messiah King Jesus (Mary) and the dragon (devil) by John by witnessing Mary as the Ark of the Covenant of the NT (REV 11:19) revealing itself as the Queen Mother of heaven (crowned with 12 stars) battling the dragon in REV 12 in the end times. This war was foreshadowed in the Old Testament in GEN 3:15 when God gave enmity between the woman (Mary) and the serpent (devil) meaning they are in perpetual battle eternally because Mary is the mother of the Lord God, the NT Gebirah, all mothers of the Davidic kings of Israel were rightfully called "Queen Mothers". The queenship in heaven is in PSALM 45:9 SIRACH 24. This is why Mary is the queen crowned with 12 stars seen by John in Revelation 12. Mary is the WOMAN of Revelation because she was always addressed as a woman / lady by his Son Jesus (JOHN 2; JOHN 19-25-29), Gnyai in the original Greek, a title of respect given to her office. GALATIANS 4:4-5 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent his Son, made of a WOMAN, made under the law: 5 That he might redeem them who were under the law: that we might receive the adoption of sons.

[@debraannmartinez7157]

They are nuts. Mary was married, but this woman was alone and tempted, not knowing God had a plan for her! Did you see the part where it said the EARTH helped the woman by opening its mouth? There, you can see she got help from people who assisted her with God's plan and purpose!

[@Adam-ue2ig]

This is one reason why even church Fathers interpreted it as the church in revelation 12 and not Mary...when idea of bodily assumption of Mary starts coming in late 5th century slowly you get an interpretation shift towards Mary.

[@Adam-ue2ig]

The woman is symbolic of the nation of Israel, and this verse is an obvious reference to Jesus and Isaiah 9:6-7 prophesies that this child will bear the government on His shoulder and there will be no end to His government and peace.

[@sawyerwhited6802]

@@Adam-ue2ig The RCC shift many things to Mary that belong to Jesus & Israel.

[@petbirdie2475]

This is correct of all Mary is also called by Jesus "Woman" behold your Son

[@jongricafort4]

Queen of All things, this would mean Mary's had a full share of knowledge of God's Perfect Finite Plan for the Salvation of Man while satan with his superior intellect did not grasp the Truth about Divine Plan on Salvation. So the Woman is standing on the TRUTH, while satan is blinded by the TRUTH.

[@fightfactsinc7475]

Jong Ricafort the woman is Jerusalem (Galatians 4:26)

[@SerumLIJO]

Queen of Heaven is a title post of the devil Read Jeremiah - 44:17-27 And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men? Then Jeremiah said unto all the people, to the men, and to the women, and to all the people which had given him that answer, saying, The incense that ye burned in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem, ye, and your fathers, your kings, and your princes, and the people of the land, did not the LORD remember them, and came it not into his mind? So that the LORD could no longer bear, because of the evil of your doings, and because of the abominations which ye have committed; therefore is your land a desolation, and an astonishment, and a curse, without an inhabitant, as at this day. Jeremiah 44 Don't believe the antichrist (Pope) All the lies and blasphemy comes from vatican (Rome) Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When He speaketh a lie, He speaketh of his own: for He is a liar, and the father of it. John - 8:44.

[@mrvaas876]

Someone doesnt know Gebirah

[@paolopaolo9353]

Did you hear the last part of the video he said they are different!ofcourse that was a pagan GOD mary was not,is Mary born in the times of Jeremiah??ofcourse not!🤣🤣🤣✌️✌️✌️ The lady who worship by the jews in the times of jeremiah was a PaganGOD, not the MOTHER of CHRIST!

[@xronald619x]

Pagan Catholics

[@paolopaolo9353]

@@xronald619x you cannot even connect your origin back to the appostles, you will only stop to martin luther.🤣🤣🤣👎👎👎

[@xronald619x]

@@paolopaolo9353 the romans persecuted the disciples everywhere and threw them in prison. And Martin Luther had balls to reform the church and separate from the pagan Catholics. Only good thing that has come out of the Catholic church is pope pio who tried to reform the Catholic church and got tortured to death for it. You catholics have a catechism and completely abandon and twist the bible. And not to mention the romans killed Jesus Christ

[@marcihf217]

Thank you so much for sharing this. Thank you for explaining this.

[@Yahuah222]

She’s the Holy Spirit our true Heavenly Mother

[@michaelhaywood8262]

At the Shrine of Our Lady of Mt Carmel at Aylesford in Kent, England there is a statue of Our Lady based on the Vision of Rev 12.

[@bruce6545]

Women in the 12 chapter is not Mary but the nation of Israel. Please don't deceive people

[@vee1072]

Exactly. Like Joseph dream In Genesis 37:9 9 Then he had another dream, and he told it to his brothers. “Listen,” he said, “I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me.” The dream meant his brothers, mom, and dad will bow down to him.He mentioned 11 because with him its 12. They are the 12 tribes of Israel. Revelations 12 is Israel not Mary 🤦‍♀️

[@bruce6545]

@@vee1072 that's right 👍

[@alfray1072]

Woman means FEMALE PERSON, not a country/kingdom/nation that got destroyed 2000 years ago for rejecting the Son of God Lord Jesus! How can a kingdom called i_srael soaked in wickedness and evil birthed The Son of God Lord Jesus? Again, you are basically posting false heretical views. REV 12 is a clear description of the battle between the woman who brought forth The Messiah King Jesus (Mary) and the dragon (devil) by John by witnessing Mary as the Ark of the Covenant of the NT (REV 11:19) revealing itself as the Queen Mother of heaven (crowned with 12 stars) battling the dragon in REV 12 in the end times. This war was foreshadowed in the Old Testament in GEN 3:15 when God gave enmity between the woman (Mary) and the serpent (devil) meaning they are in perpetual battle eternally because Mary is the mother of the Lord God, the NT Gebirah, all mothers of the Davidic kings of Israel were rightfully called "Queen Mothers". The queenship in heaven is in PSALM 45:9 SIRACH 24. This is why Mary is the queen crowned with 12 stars seen by John in Revelation 12. Mary is the WOMAN of Revelation because she was always addressed as a woman / lady by his Son Jesus (JOHN 2; JOHN 19-25-29), Gnyai in the original Greek, a title of respect given to her office. GALATIANS 4:4-5 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent his Son, made of a WOMAN, made under the law: 5 That he might redeem them who were under the law: that we might receive the adoption of sons.

[@Pumie03]

Both Jesus and Mary never died. They were assumed into heaven. It is hardest to follow along when one says this image is Mary as Revelation is of a time to come. Mary is already in heaven with Jesus separated from her. Else, it has to be assumed he returned to his mother's womb for this. But what is possible? Is the verse misinterpreted on purpose? If so, what exactly is the revelation for the sheep?

[@JM-qc7qx]

Hello Phume Mdlui. Jesus died on the cross for our sins. This was part of God's plan and his sacrificial death was required to fulfill God's perfect plan to save us. There is a mountain of historical evidence of Christ's torture and crucifixion (death). Christ resurrected, revealed himself (thousands of witnesses including his disciples), and went to Heaven. Mary was a human woman (Blessed and above most for sure! Amen) and died and was buried. No where in the bible does it suggest that she was anything other than human. Mary had other children besides Jesus. Thus Jesus had brothers. This is clearly stated in the New Testament. Jesus was her first born and she was a virgin and it was an immaculate conception, true. The bible doesn't suggest Mary didn't die or that she was "assumed" into heaven. This is a false and heretical doctrine with no evidence. I'm sorry to report this to you. Please read your bible and lean on God's word and pray for understanding. You can learn more when you remove the tradition of man from between God and you. God bless you! :) I am a former Catholic and wow, what a blessing to remove the man-made traditions of the Papacy, and to connect directly with Jesus. It's all right there. Amen.

[@josuegonzalez5576]

You are not going to talk about the virgin of guadalupe?

[@geraldineekhator5428]

300 Swords of light Well if you want to talk about The Lady of Guadalupe look 👀 up the information and start talking about her. This is about Mary in Heaven.

[@whatroads4x4]

Thats mary.

[@Thundralight]

Fatima also kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3Tdo6yOicSqns0

[@smokymountainangoras]

🙏💐💛👑🌈🕊🌈👑💛💐🙏

[@YAH77]

Exactly many ppl have their own theories and opinions on Revelation 12 that will cause a lot of confusion great video cause I always pushed my faith further to discern the symbolism of the woman and the dragon yes indeed they are both individuals recorded in Revelation Satan just don't want ppl to really understand Revelation 12 so they wont inquire and live in doubt about God's word great video Jesus lives on

[@whatroads4x4]

Sounds like revelation 12 already happened. JESUS was the beginning of the end.

[@JesusmySalvation]

U see when u being fed poop this ^^ is the out come.

[@whatroads4x4]

@@JesusmySalvation huh

[@NikeNik]

Well there is more to it, she is also wood, the tree and fountain of life, bride, unwed, sister, sysygy, spouse, wisdom chokmah, she is the lady of Guadelupe, (qoatlaxopeuh = the one she that crushes the serpent) queen of the south (Americas) who saved the mesoamericans and defeated their blood and soul sucking “deities”, who took revenge and molested, wounded and defiled her. After the 12 came to her, the 12 archons were replaced and shut out, so the wounds could heal and the last time she fasted to approach the Throne the crowning happenend. The 12 (Jacob) guard the gates of the city (which came from heaven) and will inherit the tree of life. The moon at her feet is her heritage which is of Islam. So when they recognize the bride, they will recognize the RIGHT Christ who is the bridegroom. So they can be brought under the feet and protection of Christ in this life and in the grave.

[@Andrew-im7fg]

There is NO WAY the woman in Rev. 12 is Mary or Israel! What John is being shown is in the end times bc it’s the same dragon (beast ) during the time of the Antichrist persecuting the woman and her seed. The woman is the Church (Christ bride, body of Christ). It’s the same woman John saw in Rev. 21:2”I John saw the holy city, New Jerusalem…prepared as a bride adorned for her husband”. Rev. 21:11”Having the glory of God, and her light was like unto a stone most precious…The nation Israel of the Old Testament was referred to as “he” and not “she”. The Bible speaks of 42 generations from Adam to Jesus but Jesus was the 41st generation. Jesus never married, so who is the 42nd generation. Apostle Paul said the whole earth moaneth, groaneth, and travaileth waiting for the manifestation of the sons of God (Romans 8:19-22). King David saw the woman and her seed and said “A seed shall serve him; it shall be counted to the Lord for a generation. They shall come and declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born(Psalms 22:30-31).” Isaiah 53:8 “…who shall declare his generation. For he was cut off from the land of living. For the transgressions of my people was he stricken.” The seed of the woman (bride of Christ) are the new converts (sons of God) from ALL nations, kindreds, tongues, tribes that did not take the mark of the beast during the 3.5 years of the Antichrist but overcame him by the testimony of Jesus and the blood of the Lamb.

[@NoGMOGod]

It may be Mary....but our FOCUS SHOULD BE ON CHRIST OUR LORD. HE DIED FOR OUR SINS...not Mary. She is the Mother of Jesus the man, but she is not "The Mother of God" God is the beginning and end..God had no beginning and he has no end.Therefore God the Father, was never born. She was and is blessed, but needed salvation like any other human. She is NOT QUEEN MOTHER in God's word. She is Mary, blessed among women. THAT IS ALL.

[@Scarred4life4711]

I am the woman of revelations and work between the collective armies of archangel Michael/Osiris/Jesus collective of souls and the Dragon/Set/Prince/Lucifer (MJ+Prince merged into TheOne) collective and the Magdalene collective merged th souls of Osiris and Set for the age of Aquarius to rebalance the divine feminine and masculine aspects of this existence to try to save our beloved Mother Earth .. the dogmatic patriarchal fear based spirituality is not in universal karmic alignment with the higher vibrations and dimensions ... the 7 seals are your chakras which are to be activated like Jesus rainbow light body, merkaba, was activated and the 144,000 collective of ascended masters are here to show ALL of us how to enlighten like Jesus was for the new earth/Eden ....all souls are recycled into prior 3D timelines until they are able to maintain the higher dimensions and ALL souls return to source/love/light ... no soul is left behind that was the promise when we created this existence ... karma is a universal mathematical equation and there is no escaping it. The lessons you refuse in this lifetime will continue in the moons recycling reincarnation system ... as we move away from fear based religious teachings we enlighten into The One for we are ALL The One ... Love and light to all souls in all time lines all dimensions and all of space 🙏🏼💙💜🌎🛸🌈🎵🥹 also archangel Ambriel is the angel of the month of May and sign of Gemini ... I recycled the twins in May and I know a lot of Geminis including hint hint

[@HillbillyBlack]

This is why i don’t think it’s Mary. I feel The answers are in Daniel, Genesis, Isaiah, and Ezekiel etc. It’s also helpful to remember the exegetical placement of John’s intention with revelation. John is an exiled well read apostle of the tanakh on a guarded island whose outgoing letters are censored. To read Revelation extremely literally, or plainly would be a mistake. Please Keep that in mind here. in the OT, the imagery of the sun, moon, and stars refers to the nation of Israel. Joseph said, “I have had still another dream; and behold, the sun and the moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me” (Gen. 37:9). Osborne writes, “In Jewish literature ‘twelve stars’ often refers to the twelve patriarchs or the twelve tribes.” the Bible frequently uses the imagery of a woman to refer to Israel, Zion, or Jerusalem. Paul writes, “The Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother” (Gal. 4:26). Jeremiah writes, “Surely, as a woman treacherously departs from her lover, so you have dealt treacherously with Me, O house of Israel” (Jer. 3:20; c.f. Isa. 54:1-6; Ezek. 16:8-14; Hos. 2:19-20; Micah 4:9-10). the image of being protected by eagle’s wings refers to Israel. In Exodus 19:4, we read, “You yourselves have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles’ wings, and brought you to Myself.” This seems to fit with the language in Revelation 12:14, where we read, “The two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, so that she could fly into the wilderness to her place, where she was nourished.” the Woman is protected in the wilderness for 1,260 days. This fits with the prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27, which is directed to Israel (“your people and your holy city”). This iteration of 3.5 years is mentioned five times through this section of Revelation (Rev. 11:2; 11:3; 12:6; 12:14; 13:5). Clearly, this time span of three and a half years must be important to the author. This seems to fit with Neros persecution, where the beast is in power (Dan. 9:26-27). Daniel 12 predicted that Michael would rise up at this time to protect Israel-not the Church (Dan. 12:1). Daniel writes, “Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will arise. And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued” (Daniel 12:1). We see a fulfillment of this, when John writes, “There was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war” (Rev. 12:7). Jesus is said to rule the nations with a rod of iron. In Revelation 19:15, we read, “From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron.” Thus the man-child of verse 5 must be Jesus-not the Church. So, good news here. This is already happened. This was the conflict where Rome destroyed Jerusalem. This is a good thing. This allowed the church to fully exist with the gentiles within the seven churches of revelation and Rome thus cutting off the Jews by means of their destruction. This is a loving criticism, not a damning anger lashing outburst. Revelation within itself shows you history fulfilled, and how the church continued after Jerusalem fell but you can’t know that unless you read the entire Tanakh.

[@djb5255]

Read Kings and pay attention to how often the mother of the new king is mentioned by name...

[@CatholicProductions]

Hey Oscar, care to make explicit what you’re implying? Thanks for your comments.

[@ibelieveitcauseiseentit9630]

It doesn't say anything about ANYONE being the queen of anything, let alone the Queen of heaven. And it never mentions the name Mary, nor does it mention anyone's name, because it's not about a person, it is about all of Israel. The crown of stars and the Sun and the Moon is a reference to the dream Joseph had about his brothers it identifies the woman as Israel. In Joseph's dream he saw his star and the Sun and the Moon and 11 other stars and those stars and the Sun and the Moon bowed down to his star, meaning that he was greater than his brothers and even his mother and father. The stars and the Sun and the Moon on the woman in Revelation 12 represent the 12 tribes of Israel and identifies the woman as Israel. Israel throughout the Old testament was referred to as the bride of God. The bride of God was to bring forth the Messiah. Now the church is the bride of Christ. All believers in Christ are part of true Israel. Satan tried to destroy the child (Jesus) before he could accomplished his mission, and then tried to destroy his followers. Yes the dragon and the child were individuals and th e passage identifies exactly who they were. The woman was never given a name because it's not talking about Mary or any person it is talking about all of Israel. And it says nothing whatsoever about anyone being the queen of anything let alone the Queen of heaven. And my God how stupid can Catholics be to believe that it's about heaven just because his vision took place in heaven? Joseph's dream also took place in heaven does that mean he's the king of heaven? In his second dream he dreamed that his sheath of wheat stood upright and his brothers sheets of wheat bow down to his. Does this mean he's the king of the wheatfield? The passage is teaching two very simple things there is no hidden message in the passage. #1 Satan tried to stop the Messiah from saving the world by killing him before he was even born. The Messiah succeeded in his mission and now Satan has been kicked out of heaven. #2 now since Satan could not stop the Messiah he has turned his attention to persecute the church. He has been kicked out of heaven so heaven rejoices, but all on Earth should be careful because he is angry and knows that his time is short. THATS IT, THAT IS ALL THAT THIS PASSAGE TEACHES. Even if the passage specifically named the woman is Mary it would have still said nothing whatsoever about her being the queen of anything let alone heaven. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Mary. It has nothing whatsoever to do with anyone being the queen of anything, let alone the Queen of heaven. This is nothing more than the Catholic church trying to justify their idolatry and Mary worship. About one out of every three verses in the book of Revelation harken back to the Old testament. Without diligently studying the Old testament it is nearly impossible to understand the book of Revelation. Most Catholics (many Protestants as well) are nearly biblically illiterate. So it's easy to twist scripture and dupe the gullible into believing a passage teaches something that it does not. And Catholics twist the scripture almost as much as Muslims and Mormons do it's absolutely pathetic. Edited for spelling.

[@gtobs3181]

The last verse in Revelation 12 confirms the woman is Mary Vs 17. 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman (MARY), and went to make war with the remnant of her seed (JESUS), which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Her seed (JESUS who is sinless and the ONLY one) who keeps the commandments of God. This is the prophecy made in Gen 3:15 thousands of years before Apostle John's vision

[@astutik8909]

Conveniently stopped at rev 12 v 1-5. Verse 6 says the woman flees into the wilderness 1260 days (prophetic years)..hmmmmm, catholics and their lies.

[@heleniyahabukarsh513]

Smh revelations 12 is the fulfillment of what was spoken of in Genesis chapter 3. That is Chayah (Eve). And the Bible clearly says no one should worship the queen of heaven.

[@joecannes2421]

Mary Queen of heaven? Don't think so Jeremiah 7:16-18 16 “So do not pray for this people nor offer any plea or petition for them; do not plead with me, for I will not listen to you. 17 Do you not see what they are doing in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem? 18 The children gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and the women knead the dough and make cakes to offer to the Queen of Heaven. They pour out drink offerings to other gods to arouse my anger.

[@nightowl5396]

Revelation 12 also says ‭‭ [17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. So then you have to accept that Mary had other offspring.

[@scogill7]

The woman is not Mary. It is Israel who gives birth to Jesus. Mary is never referred to as clothed in the sun and the moon under her feet as well as the twelve stars. Go back to the OT and see this depiction. Look at Genesis 37:9 & 10.

[@Adam-ue2ig]

For the first atleast 500 years the church Fathers interpretation of Revelation 12 was that it is the church not Mary... when bodily assumption starting coming in as a doctrinal idea after first 500 years slowly you start getting a move in interpretation to Mary.

[@adolfosamson1939]

Mary is the mother of Jesus, Yes, but mary the mother of God a big No. Please read John 17:3 there is only one true God

[@DRAWDAILYchannel]

So Semiramus and Tamuz because Tamuz is his father like how jesus is his. And semiramus is his wife and mother like how mary is the the church aka bride aka queen of heaven. Jesus is the sun god. And semiramus is the moon. With the moon under her feet baring the light of the world which is the sun light on the moons surface. Their are 3 marys Which represents the same person. The Mother,Maiden, and Crone. 🌒🌕🌘 ☀️ Then there is Solar eclipse and the unification of the two polar opposite halves darkening the sky and giving birth. Activating a spiritual or chemical process. Turning humans into stars which are their glorified bodies Burning in the darkness of the abyss forever. It's a ritual. Just like everything else you all do. You're literally eat and drink the flesh of god in order to gain immortality because you are afraid of the natural order of things. Trying to become like god.🤦🏾👌🏾

[@alfray1072]

Your JW/SDA tony alamo argument is nonsensical. Woman means FEMALE PERSON, not a country/kingdom/nation that got destroyed 2000 years ago for rejecting the Son of God Lord Jesus! How can a kingdom called i_srael soaked in wickedness and evil birthed The Son of God Lord Jesus? Again, you are basically posting false heretical views. REV 12 is a clear description of the battle between the woman who brought forth The Messiah King Jesus (Mary) and the dragon (devil) by John by witnessing Mary as the Ark of the Covenant of the NT (REV 11:19) revealing itself as the Queen Mother of heaven (crowned with 12 stars) battling the dragon in REV 12 in the end times. This war was foreshadowed in the Old Testament in GEN 3:15 when God gave enmity between the woman (Mary) and the serpent (devil) meaning they are in perpetual battle eternally because Mary is the mother of the Lord God, the NT Gebirah, all mothers of the Davidic kings of Israel were rightfully called "Queen Mothers". The queenship in heaven is in PSALM 45:9 SIRACH 24. This is why Mary is the queen crowned with 12 stars seen by John in Revelation 12. Mary is the WOMAN of Revelation because she was always addressed as a woman / lady by his Son Jesus (JOHN 2; JOHN 19-25-29), Gnyai in the original Greek, a title of respect given to her office. GALATIANS 4:4-5 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent his Son, made of a WOMAN, made under the law: 5 That he might redeem them who were under the law: that we might receive the adoption of sons.

[@mikeforfar9493]

The woman is in heaven and she is crowned before the birth of Jesus. Show me how Mary was glorified before the birth of Jesus. Mary is nothing when it comes to our salvation. She is not the mother of the church and she has no advantage over any of us in being saved. Gal 4:26 But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. Mark 3:31-35 “Then Jesus’ mother and his brothers came. Standing outside, they sent word to him, to summon him. 32 A crowd was sitting around him and they said to him, “Look, your mother and your brothers are outside looking for you.” 33 He answered them and said, “Who are my mother and my brothers?” 34 And looking at those who were sitting around him in a circle, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! 35 For whoever does the will of God is my brother and sister and mother.” NET

[@Questions-l8r]

If this was John’s vision why didn’t he recognize Mary? He did know Mary. Is it because this is a vision from heaven?

[@altheaa.8573]

A lot of debates here, brethren let us read the Bible and pray for the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Love one another. God bless

[@Vincenzo-wn1or]

6:00 the gesture to imply the church shot them down ... Most likely singing similar involving a stake and kindling

[@FirstHolyGrandsonofHeaven926]

Mary Magdalene not Mother Mary. These are characters a person plays throughout their lives. LoL

[@TheElizabethashby]

THE RCC ADDS AND TAKES AWAY FROM THE WORD OF GOD JESUS REVELATION 22: 18-19 KJV

[@anjalE30]

The woman clothed with the sun and a crown of 12 stars, is all holy spirit, the mother of ALL living.... Eve❤ 12 stars, for the 12 tribes of Israel Alot of revelations, is given in Genesis 🙏

[@chommie5350]

No .....Eve Is not Queen of heaven...Mary is the Queen ....because she is the mother of God......Eve is not the mother of God

[@Jezabhaal]

Me LUCIFER AMEN RA LUCIFER REVELATION 22 16 BHAAL BRIDE OF CHRIST

[@alexl5660]

This is not true. Galatians says our spiritual mother is HEAVEN ABOVE. NOT MARY.

[@alfray1072]

Our spiritual mother is Mary because she birthed the Lord Jesus - The Mystical Body of the church. The church established by Jesus is The New Davidic Kingdom, and the kingdom always has the Gebirah/Queen Mother, her subjects are her children. 2ND REV 12 is a clear description of the battle between the woman who brought forth The Messiah King Jesus (Mary) and the dragon (devil) by John by witnessing Mary as the Ark of the Covenant of the NT (REV 11:19) revealing itself as the Queen Mother of heaven (crowned with 12 stars) battling the dragon in REV 12 in the end times. This war was foreshadowed in the Old Testament in GEN 3:15 when God gave enmity between the woman (Mary) and the serpent (devil) meaning they are in perpetual battle eternally because Mary is the mother of the Lord God, the NT Gebirah, all mothers of the Davidic kings of Israel were rightfully called "Queen Mothers". The queenship in heaven is in PSALM 45:9 SIRACH 24. This is why Mary is the queen crowned with 12 stars seen by John in Revelation 12. Mary is the WOMAN of Revelation because she was always addressed as a woman / lady by his Son Jesus (JOHN 2; JOHN 19-25-29), Gnyai in the original Greek, a title of respect given to her office. GALATIANS 4:4-5 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent his Son, made of a WOMAN, made under the law: 5 That he might redeem them who were under the law: that we might receive the adoption of sons.

[@skwatras2738]

The woman is the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH!!!

[@ssimyn8092]

I love that you clarified that. A lot of Catholics are committing idolatry without them even knowing, they thought they should worship the saints and mary, but the thing is we should ask them to pray for us. I hope catholic teaching improves overtime- I never know catholic beliefs until I search for it. The sad thing is Bible studies with co-catholics are so hard to find, not like Christians. Going to church every Sunday doesn’t help me learning and deepening my relationship with the Lord. Thank you for this short explanation 🤎🤎

[@1Andelina1]

They are asking for their prayers, we venerate them, a Saint in Heaven is no less a person on earth that I would ask for prayers from, our faith is very much a living family.

[@danielfloyd396]

I don’t know any Catholics who worship the blessed mother or the saints. I know there are bastardized evil cults in Mexico and South America who pretend to be Catholic while literally worshipping false idols. This is the work of Satan who is the father of all lies.

[@cmb2438]

They always assume! @@betaweighted6841 It's astonishing how non-Catholics like to tell us Catholics how and what we worship and believe.

[@sawyerwhited6802]

@@1Andelina1 How do you know who's in heaven? God is the only one that knows our hearts. We do not know who is & isn't in heaven, so you really don't know what spirit you are talking to. Safer to just pray to the Father through Jesus as His word instructs.

[@alfray1072]

Woman means FEMALE PERSON, not a country/kingdom/nation that got destroyed 2000 years ago for rejecting the Son of God Lord Jesus! How can a kingdom called i_srael soaked in wickedness and evil birthed The Son of God Lord Jesus? Again, you are basically posting false heretical views. REV 12 is a clear description of the battle between the woman who brought forth The Messiah King Jesus (Mary) and the dragon (devil) by John by witnessing Mary as the Ark of the Covenant of the NT (REV 11:19) revealing itself as the Queen Mother of heaven (crowned with 12 stars) battling the dragon in REV 12 in the end times. This war was foreshadowed in the Old Testament in GEN 3:15 when God gave enmity between the woman (Mary) and the serpent (devil) meaning they are in perpetual battle eternally because Mary is the mother of the Lord God, the NT Gebirah, all mothers of the Davidic kings of Israel were rightfully called "Queen Mothers". The queenship in heaven is in PSALM 45:9 SIRACH 24. This is why Mary is the queen crowned with 12 stars seen by John in Revelation 12. Mary is the WOMAN of Revelation because she was always addressed as a woman / lady by his Son Jesus (JOHN 2; JOHN 19-25-29), Gnyai in the original Greek, a title of respect given to her office. GALATIANS 4:4-5 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent his Son, made of a WOMAN, made under the law: 5 That he might redeem them who were under the law: that we might receive the adoption of sons.

[@mehedi_mscitmirza2165]

Possibly the explanation may not be correct. The woman does not represent Mary. Basically these prophesy is about "Islamic Priestly Systems", because " Moon under her feet" moon is the symbol of Islam. And crown with 12 stars means 12 Imam (Khaliph) of Islam. And whom she gave birth is the last Imam (name Iman Mehedi). According to the Islamic concept Imam Mehedi has borned at 570, and when He is in child he was taken up to the God to save him from enemy. And God will send him back again..

[@alfray1072]

Woman means FEMALE PERSON, not a country/kingdom/nation that got destroyed 2000 years ago for rejecting the Son of God Lord Jesus! How can a kingdom called i_srael soaked in wickedness and evil birthed The Son of God Lord Jesus? Again, you are basically posting false heretical views. REV 12 is a clear description of the battle between the woman who brought forth The Messiah King Jesus (Mary) and the dragon (devil) by John by witnessing Mary as the Ark of the Covenant of the NT (REV 11:19) revealing itself as the Queen Mother of heaven (crowned with 12 stars) battling the dragon in REV 12 in the end times. This war was foreshadowed in the Old Testament in GEN 3:15 when God gave enmity between the woman (Mary) and the serpent (devil) meaning they are in perpetual battle eternally because Mary is the mother of the Lord God, the NT Gebirah, all mothers of the Davidic kings of Israel were rightfully called "Queen Mothers". The queenship in heaven is in PSALM 45:9 SIRACH 24. This is why Mary is the queen crowned with 12 stars seen by John in Revelation 12. Mary is the WOMAN of Revelation because she was always addressed as a woman / lady by his Son Jesus (JOHN 2; JOHN 19-25-29), Gnyai in the original Greek, a title of respect given to her office. GALATIANS 4:4-5 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent his Son, made of a WOMAN, made under the law: 5 That he might redeem them who were under the law: that we might receive the adoption of sons.

[@jillianleda6732]

Is there a reason John called her a woman and left everything a mystery wouldn't he have known what Jesus and Mary looks like? I always wondered why it was written so mysteriously and why couldn't he just say this was The Virgin mother Mary birthing Jesus? Also it said she was in pain for her childbirth in revelation I wonder why that was because birth pain is the result of original sin?

[@alfray1072]

Woman means FEMALE PERSON, not a country/kingdom/nation that got destroyed 2000 years ago for rejecting the Son of God Lord Jesus! How can a kingdom called i_srael soaked in wickedness and evil birthed The Son of God Lord Jesus? Again, you are basically posting false heretical views. REV 12 is a clear description of the battle between the woman who brought forth The Messiah King Jesus (Mary) and the dragon (devil) by John by witnessing Mary as the Ark of the Covenant of the NT (REV 11:19) revealing itself as the Queen Mother of heaven (crowned with 12 stars) battling the dragon in REV 12 in the end times. This war was foreshadowed in the Old Testament in GEN 3:15 when God gave enmity between the woman (Mary) and the serpent (devil) meaning they are in perpetual battle eternally because Mary is the mother of the Lord God, the NT Gebirah, all mothers of the Davidic kings of Israel were rightfully called "Queen Mothers". The queenship in heaven is in PSALM 45:9 SIRACH 24. This is why Mary is the queen crowned with 12 stars seen by John in Revelation 12. Mary is the WOMAN of Revelation because she was always addressed as a woman / lady by his Son Jesus (JOHN 2; JOHN 19-25-29), Gnyai in the original Greek, a title of respect given to her office. GALATIANS 4:4-5 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent his Son, made of a WOMAN, made under the law: 5 That he might redeem them who were under the law: that we might receive the adoption of sons.

[@kjvnews8326]

Jesus said: When ye pray, USE NOT VAIN REPETITIONS as the heathen do for they think they will be heard for their much speaking. (Matt. 6:7) But praying the rosary IS vain repetition by saying the exact same prayers over and over again. The rosary begins Hail Mary full of Grace… But the bible reads: Jesus was the ONLY begotten of the Father full of grace and truth John 1:14). Now if Jesus is the only begotten full of grace, how can Mary also be full of grace? The Hail Mary is also a corruption of God’s word in Luke. It DOESN’T say FULL of Grace, it DOESN'T say holy Mary, it DOESN’T say Mother of God nor does it read: Pray for us! In the bible Jesus said: COME UNTO ME" He NEVER said go to Mary and If you had ever read and STUDIED the word of God in the bible instead of the catechism, you'd know that Jesus never gave Mary the time of day in public. Not one time did he EVER even call her mother, NOT ONCE! Jesus ALWAYS called her WOMAN. Even when he was dying on the cross he called Mary WOMAN! Jesus was born of a Virgin, Yes, BUT, Mary later gave birth to at least six other children in the bible. The bible gives us the names of Jesus four half-brothers and also mentions his sisters. (Matt 13:55) Is this not the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James and Joses, and Simon and Judas? And his sisters, are they not ALL with us? (Matt. 13:55,56). And they weren’t Joseph’s kids from a so-called prior marriage. There’s absolutely NO mention of this in the bible at all. And Psalm 69 which Jesus quotes as a prophecy about Himself reads. I am become a stranger unto my brethren, and an alien to my MOTHER’S children. (Psalm 69:8). The very next verse is quoted in John 2:17: The zeal for thine house hath eaten me up. Mary also lost Jesus when He was 12 for three full days. Mighty careless of her wasn't it? (Luke 2:39-50). How could Mary not know where that miracle that she had given birth to was for three full days? But it certainly might make sense if maybe James, Joses & Simon were toddlers. She has another year old brother or sister she's watching and maybe Mary's breastfeeding an infant. That certainly could explain Mary's carelessness? When Jesus was told your Mother and brothers are outside and want to see you, He left them outside. He didn't even let His mother or brothers in the house or go out to see them. Talk about disrespecting Mary! Instead, Jesus spread His hands toward His disciples and said whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven is my brother and sister AND MOTHER! (Matt. 12:46-50) And that story is repeated in THREE different gospels. Mary also said that SHE needed a savior. (Luke 1:47). When a woman cried out saying blessed is the womb which bore you and the breasts on which you nursed, referring to Mary, Jesus replied: RATHER, blessed are those who hear the word of God and do it! (Luke 11:27) Roman Catholics are biblically illiterate! It wasn't until the 5th century that a bunch of biblically illiterate brainless monks began praying to Mary. They wanted a female deity like the pagans had and Mary fit the bill. Jesus was born of a virgin, YES, absolutely, but after that the bible reads: Joseph did not know her (have relations or sex with her) UNTIL after she had given birth. (Matthew 1:25) If you don't do something UNTIL a certain time, it means that you DO do it at that time! The bible also reads that there is ONE God and ONE mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. If there is ONE mediator, the perfect mediator that died and shed His blood on the cross for US sinners, why would ANYONE need another? Is Mary considered a saint? The bible reads: Behold, he putteth NO trust in his saints; yea the heavens are not clean in his sight. (Job 15:15). JESUS was also called Mary’s FIRSTBORN son (Matt 1:25 and Luke 2:7). When Paul went to Jerusalem he said he saw James, the LORD’S BROTHER (Galatians 1:19) It was James that presided over the council at Jerusalem. And James also made the final decision, which is funny considering Peter was there. Why wasn’t Peter the one to make the final decision if he was the first so-called pope? Paul, Barnabas and Peter put in their two cents, but it was James, the Lord’s brother who made the final decision. (Acts 15:6-23). The bible reads over and over again that ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. It NEVER makes an exception for Mary or FOR anyone else but Jesus Christ. When Mary said “They have no wine”, Jesus rebuked her! He said: WOMAN, what have I to do with thee? Mine hour is not yet come. (John 2:4) Throughout the bible Jesus made it very clear by both His words and actions that he didn’t want ANYONE praying to or going to Mary. Again, Jesus said: Come unto ME! He NEVER said go and pray to my mother. When the men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here. And when the queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here. Mary herself shall also rise up in the judgment and she shall condemn it also for praying to her instead of going to her adorable son Jesus Christ who was the one and ONLY ONE who died for us and for our sins on the cross. The bible commands us all to: STUDY to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. (2 Tim 2:15). If you don't study the word of God for yourself, you'll be ashamed before God at the judgment. I was a Catholic. I prayed the rosary. My mother’s sister was a nun and my family goes back as Roman Catholic over 3 centuries on both sides. But I believe in the word and WORDS of God. Don't put your salvation in someone else's hands like biblically illiterate priests. How many times at mass have any priests read you THESE verses from the word of God? As an ex-Catholic I know I never did till I read & STUDIED them for myself. Read and study the bible for yourself. Make no mistake about it, your eternal soul depends upon it.

[@vumilegama1493]

The Hail Mary prayer stems from two passages in the gospel of Luke. The first one, found in Luke 1:28, says, “Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you!” This was mentioned by the angel Gabriel when she greeted Mary. The second passage can be found in Luke 1:42, and it says, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!” These words were said by Elizabeth when she visited Mary and greeted her. We say "Mother of God" because she is the mother of Jesus, and Jesus is God.

[@alfray1072]

Vain repetitions is different from repetitions. Our Lord does not condemn the practice of praying in public assemblies (Luke 18:10); the words here are hyperbolic. He does not condemn the practice in praying in the streets. He condemns the practice of deliberately striking a pious attitude for public notice. Matthew 26:44 Jesus prayed a third time, saying the same thing again. Luke 18:13 Collector kept beating his breast and praying be merciful to me a sinner. 1 Thessalonians 5:17 Pray without ceasing. Revelation 4:8 Repeat day and night, "Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord". [ Repetitious Prayer. ] 1 Kings 18:25-29 Example of vain repetition: call Baal for hours. Matthew 6:7 Do not babble like pagans with their many words.

[@thetruegospelofchrist4160]

Eish this is boring Mary is dead not in heaven, Jesus has no mother even Jesus himself never said mother to Mary and Mary understood that this is not her son But God's son. Stop looking at Mary as holy and divine, she was chosen by God for her purity and because of her bloodline. She's no queen, she's not exalted, she is the same like me and you Moses, Abraham, and the rest. Stop this nonsense.

[@alfray1072]

Mary is the mother of the Lord (LUKE 1:43). Woman means FEMALE PERSON, not a country/kingdom/nation that got destroyed 2000 years ago for rejecting the Son of God Lord Jesus! How can a kingdom called i_srael soaked in wickedness and evil birthed The Son of God Lord Jesus? Again, you are basically posting false heretical views. REV 12 is a clear description of the battle between the woman who brought forth The Messiah King Jesus (Mary) and the dragon (devil) by John by witnessing Mary as the Ark of the Covenant of the NT (REV 11:19) revealing itself as the Queen Mother of heaven (crowned with 12 stars) battling the dragon in REV 12 in the end times. This war was foreshadowed in the Old Testament in GEN 3:15 when God gave enmity between the woman (Mary) and the serpent (devil) meaning they are in perpetual battle eternally because Mary is the mother of the Lord God, the NT Gebirah, all mothers of the Davidic kings of Israel were rightfully called "Queen Mothers". The queenship in heaven is in PSALM 45:9 SIRACH 24. This is why Mary is the queen crowned with 12 stars seen by John in Revelation 12. Mary is the WOMAN of Revelation because she was always addressed as a woman / lady by his Son Jesus (JOHN 2; JOHN 19-25-29), Gnyai in the original Greek, a title of respect given to her office. GALATIANS 4:4-5 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent his Son, made of a WOMAN, made under the law: 5 That he might redeem them who were under the law: that we might receive the adoption of sons.

[@suzannebehrens9413]

The woman is the spiritual Israel the bride of Christ that is rapture before the 7 year tribulation. The 12 stars are the 12 apostles or the 12 tribes of Israel.

[@alfray1072]

Woman means FEMALE PERSON, not a country/kingdom/nation that got destroyed 2000 years ago for rejecting the Son of God Lord Jesus! How can a kingdom called i_srael soaked in wickedness and evil birthed The Son of God Lord Jesus? Again, you are basically posting false heretical views. REV 12 is a clear description of the battle between the woman who brought forth The Messiah King Jesus (Mary) and the dragon (devil) by John by witnessing Mary as the Ark of the Covenant of the NT (REV 11:19) revealing itself as the Queen Mother of heaven (crowned with 12 stars) battling the dragon in REV 12 in the end times. This war was foreshadowed in the Old Testament in GEN 3:15 when God gave enmity between the woman (Mary) and the serpent (devil) meaning they are in perpetual battle eternally because Mary is the mother of the Lord God, the NT Gebirah, all mothers of the Davidic kings of Israel were rightfully called "Queen Mothers". The queenship in heaven is in PSALM 45:9 SIRACH 24. This is why Mary is the queen crowned with 12 stars seen by John in Revelation 12. Mary is the WOMAN of Revelation because she was always addressed as a woman / lady by his Son Jesus (JOHN 2; JOHN 19-25-29), Gnyai in the original Greek, a title of respect given to her office. GALATIANS 4:4-5 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent his Son, made of a WOMAN, made under the law: 5 That he might redeem them who were under the law: that we might receive the adoption of sons.

[@santhosh863]

No women is metaphor of Israel

[@nsbomb]

The woman with the 12 starts (obviously) represents Israel and her 12 tribes, now read Revelation again. God bless!

[@alfray1072]

Woman means FEMALE PERSON, not a country/kingdom/nation that got destroyed 2000 years ago for rejecting the Son of God Lord Jesus! How can a kingdom called i_srael soaked in wickedness and evil birthed The Son of God Lord Jesus? Again, you are basically posting false heretical views. REV 12 is a clear description of the battle between the woman who brought forth The Messiah King Jesus (Mary) and the dragon (devil) by John by witnessing Mary as the Ark of the Covenant of the NT (REV 11:19) revealing itself as the Queen Mother of heaven (crowned with 12 stars) battling the dragon in REV 12 in the end times. This war was foreshadowed in the Old Testament in GEN 3:15 when God gave enmity between the woman (Mary) and the serpent (devil) meaning they are in perpetual battle eternally because Mary is the mother of the Lord God, the NT Gebirah, all mothers of the Davidic kings of Israel were rightfully called "Queen Mothers". The queenship in heaven is in PSALM 45:9 SIRACH 24. This is why Mary is the queen crowned with 12 stars seen by John in Revelation 12. Mary is the WOMAN of Revelation because she was always addressed as a woman / lady by his Son Jesus (JOHN 2; JOHN 19-25-29), Gnyai in the original Greek, a title of respect given to her office. GALATIANS 4:4-5 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent his Son, made of a WOMAN, made under the law: 5 That he might redeem them who were under the law: that we might receive the adoption of sons.

[@matthewhavemercyonmeimasin1500]

???? Who's the Woman Clothed with the Sun of Revelation 12? Answered!!! by @ Clothed With The Sun also gave a good explanation.

[@sheenalopez7281]

It is obviously Mary

[@PerryWiggins-wp3lp]

Agree what you’re saying makes good sense. My confusion comes when you say that Jesus is the Mother of “God.” Not to split hairs but then yes; Mary is the mother of Emmanuel or Jesus. Saying Mary is the mother of “God” is stretching it, I believe. I think if you reword your comment that Jesus is the mother of Jesus, the man who was born 2000 years ago, it would be more acceptable. Of course, Jesus was God before Mary was born and Jesus continues to be God eternally. Thumbs Up!

[@geoffjs]

If you deny that Mary is the mother of God, you deny His divinity, the heresy of Nestorianism! Mary gave birth to Jesus who had two natures!

[@FirstHolyGrandsonofHeaven926]

Mother Mary is a Mother w kids and a husband. Mary Magdelene is a woman before motherhood.

[@geoffjs]

Mary was always virgin with only one child Jesus. Aramaic did not have a word for cousins, so brothers is used. If Mary had other children, why would Jesus have given her to John to protect?

[@tamikajackson1892]

Was it not Christ who told us of Our Heavenly Father and his Holy Spirit and when we pray and within that prayer we ask Our Heavenly Father for forgiveness under his Covenant.

[@aaronsanchez4217]

Yes. Not his mother of the flesh that housed the Spirit of God.

[@tamikajackson1892]

@@aaronsanchez4217 The difference between Christ and Mary. The Roman's of the Roman's Empire would worship the Virgin Mary before the son of God was born. Christians never did worship Mary Christians serve Our Heavenly Father and his commandments under his Covenant seperate from Roman Catholic synagogues.

[@TheElizabethashby]

MARY IS THE MOTHER OF THE MANCHILD JESUS NOT THE ONE IN HEAVEN JESUS GAVE HIS MOTHER TO JOHN ON THE CROSS TO BE HIS MOTHER AND HIM TO BE HER SON

[@alfray1072]

Mary is the Mother of the Lord (LUKE 1:43). The Lord thy God is one God (MARK 12:29). Woman means FEMALE PERSON, not a country/kingdom/nation that got destroyed 2000 years ago for rejecting the Son of God Lord Jesus! How can a kingdom called i_srael soaked in wickedness and evil birthed The Son of God Lord Jesus? REV 12 is a clear description of the battle between the woman who brought forth The Messiah King Jesus (Mary) and the dragon (devil) by John by witnessing Mary as the Ark of the Covenant of the NT (REV 11:19) revealing itself as the Queen Mother of heaven (crowned with 12 stars) battling the dragon in REV 12 in the end times. This war was foreshadowed in the Old Testament in GEN 3:15 when God gave enmity between the woman (Mary) and the serpent (devil) meaning they are in perpetual battle eternally because Mary is the mother of the Lord God, the NT Gebirah, all mothers of the Davidic kings of Israel were rightfully called "Queen Mothers". The queenship in heaven is in PSALM 45:9 SIRACH 24. This is why Mary is the queen crowned with 12 stars seen by John in Revelation 12. Mary is the WOMAN of Revelation because she was always addressed as a woman / lady by his Son Jesus (JOHN 2; JOHN 19-25-29), Gnyai in the original Greek, a title of respect given to her office. GALATIANS 4:4-5 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent his Son, made of a WOMAN, made under the law: 5 That he might redeem them who were under the law: that we might receive the adoption of sons.

[@marinasolis9332]

AMEN!

[@claystunes6096]

Lies-lies-lies

[@mamasinpursuitofhappiness]

The prophecy of Esther is she. She is the sun of man.

[@alfray1072]

Woman means FEMALE PERSON. REV 12 is a clear description of the battle between the woman who brought forth The Messiah King Jesus (Mary) and the dragon (devil) by John by witnessing Mary as the Ark of the Covenant of the NT (REV 11:19) revealing itself as the Queen Mother of heaven (crowned with 12 stars) battling the dragon in REV 12 in the end times. This war was foreshadowed in the Old Testament in GEN 3:15 when God gave enmity between the woman (Mary) and the serpent (devil) meaning they are in perpetual battle eternally because Mary is the mother of the Lord God, the NT Gebirah, all mothers of the Davidic kings of Israel were rightfully called "Queen Mothers". The queenship in heaven is in PSALM 45:9 SIRACH 24. This is why Mary is the queen crowned with 12 stars seen by John in Revelation 12. Mary is the WOMAN of Revelation because she was always addressed as a woman / lady by his Son Jesus (JOHN 2; JOHN 19-25-29), Gnyai in the original Greek, a title of respect given to her office. GALATIANS 4:4-5 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent his Son, made of a WOMAN, made under the law: 5 That he might redeem them who were under the law: that we might receive the adoption of sons.

[@TheElizabethashby]

ITS NOT MARY IT IS ISRAEL THE JEWS

[@ladya3984]

how about the twelve stars of the european flag,can you tell me something about that,were does it fit in this story???

[@flamingdragon36]

I read something a long time ago that the man who designed the European flag had Mary and the 12 stars in mind although he didn't explicitly state it.

[@rrrpchristian6468]

the woman is nation real esrail and the dragons and also nation. the 12 star is the 12 lost tribes in esrail.. reunite rise again. in one nation we dont know what is random nation, research further,

[@venicemakilang9850]

the woman is the philippines and thte sun is the flag of Phil.and the stars are there but only 3 i dont know where s the other china is the red dragon

[@venicemakilang9850]

and the dragon stood in phil sea or the south china sea

[@bettyjmj]

Amen brother 😁🙏🙏🙏

[@emelianorombo8710]

Thank you so much Bro for this presentation very well said.

[@emelianorombo8710]

Amen

[@TheElizabethashby]

MARY IS NOT THE QUEEN OF HEAVEN GOD DOES NOT HAVE A QUEEN

[@alfray1072]

Yes, The Davidic Kingdom has always had Queen Mothers - GEBIRAH. And the New Davidic Kingdom's Gebirah/Queen Mother is MARY. Woman means FEMALE PERSON, not a country/kingdom/nation that got destroyed 2000 years ago for rejecting the Son of God Lord Jesus! How can a kingdom called i_srael soaked in wickedness and evil birthed The Son of God Lord Jesus? REV 12 is a clear description of the battle between the woman who brought forth The Messiah King Jesus (Mary) and the dragon (devil) by John by witnessing Mary as the Ark of the Covenant of the NT (REV 11:19) revealing itself as the Queen Mother of heaven (crowned with 12 stars) battling the dragon in REV 12 in the end times. This war was foreshadowed in the Old Testament in GEN 3:15 when God gave enmity between the woman (Mary) and the serpent (devil) meaning they are in perpetual battle eternally because Mary is the mother of the Lord God, the NT Gebirah, all mothers of the Davidic kings of Israel were rightfully called "Queen Mothers". The queenship in heaven is in PSALM 45:9 SIRACH 24. This is why Mary is the queen crowned with 12 stars seen by John in Revelation 12. Mary is the WOMAN of Revelation because she was always addressed as a woman / lady by his Son Jesus (JOHN 2; JOHN 19-25-29), Gnyai in the original Greek, a title of respect given to her office. GALATIANS 4:4-5 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent his Son, made of a WOMAN, made under the law: 5 That he might redeem them who were under the law: that we might receive the adoption of sons.

[@ezekielsparadise4633]

Wait until catholics find out what that passage really means😂 they're not gonna be too happy with the church when they realize what happened.

[@alfray1072]

Woman means FEMALE PERSON, not a country/kingdom/nation that got destroyed 2000 years ago for rejecting the Son of God Lord Jesus parroted by protestant fake rapturists! How can a kingdom called i_srael soaked in wickedness and evil birthed The Son of God Lord Jesus? Again, you are basically posting false heretical views. REV 12 is a clear description of the battle between the woman who brought forth The Messiah King Jesus (Mary) and the dragon (devil) by John by witnessing Mary as the Ark of the Covenant of the NT (REV 11:19) revealing itself as the Queen Mother of heaven (crowned with 12 stars) battling the dragon in REV 12 in the end times. This war was foreshadowed in the Old Testament in GEN 3:15 when God gave enmity between the woman (Mary) and the serpent (devil) meaning they are in perpetual battle eternally because Mary is the mother of the Lord God, the NT Gebirah, all mothers of the Davidic kings of Israel were rightfully called "Queen Mothers". The queenship in heaven is in PSALM 45:9 SIRACH 24. This is why Mary is the queen crowned with 12 stars seen by John in Revelation 12. Mary is the WOMAN of Revelation because she was always addressed as a woman / lady by his Son Jesus (JOHN 2; JOHN 19-25-29), Gnyai in the original Greek, a title of respect given to her office. GALATIANS 4:4-5 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent his Son, made of a WOMAN, made under the law: 5 That he might redeem them who were under the law: that we might receive the adoption of sons.

[@marinacitronova8604]

I was told to die on 12th February 2116 and the next day be taken to hell and I am not happy.

[@TheAverageServant]

YOU MUST BE STOPPED!!!!

[@alfray1072]

Woman means FEMALE PERSON, not a country/kingdom/nation that got destroyed 2000 years ago for rejecting the Son of God Lord Jesus! How can a kingdom called i_srael soaked in wickedness and evil birthed The Son of God Lord Jesus? Again, you are basically posting false heretical views. REV 12 is a clear description of the battle between the woman who brought forth The Messiah King Jesus (Mary) and the dragon (devil) by John by witnessing Mary as the Ark of the Covenant of the NT (REV 11:19) revealing itself as the Queen Mother of heaven (crowned with 12 stars) battling the dragon in REV 12 in the end times. This war was foreshadowed in the Old Testament in GEN 3:15 when God gave enmity between the woman (Mary) and the serpent (devil) meaning they are in perpetual battle eternally because Mary is the mother of the Lord God, the NT Gebirah, all mothers of the Davidic kings of Israel were rightfully called "Queen Mothers". The queenship in heaven is in PSALM 45:9 SIRACH 24. This is why Mary is the queen crowned with 12 stars seen by John in Revelation 12. Mary is the WOMAN of Revelation because she was always addressed as a woman / lady by his Son Jesus (JOHN 2; JOHN 19-25-29), Gnyai in the original Greek, a title of respect given to her office. GALATIANS 4:4-5 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent his Son, made of a WOMAN, made under the law: 5 That he might redeem them who were under the law: that we might receive the adoption of sons.

[@kevintoukam7466]

Hello dr Pitre. Great video. I have a little worry. Since it is believed in the Catholic Church that marry gave birth to Christ without birth, how could this woman in revelation 12 be Mary if she gave birth with with pain ?

[@donaldcooley897]

The woman in Rev . 12 is Israel the stars in the Crown are the 12 Tribes of Israel The Sun is Israel and the moon is his wife , Genesis 37 ; Joseph had the same vision and told Jacob his father that him and Rachael his wife and his 11 brothers will bow down to him . Jacob `s name was changed to Israel . Isaiah 66 : 7 - 10 and Micah 4 : 10 tells who the woman is that bring forth the Man Child and . this is during the tribulation , Mary has been dead 2000+ years .

[@sunnydayz8747]

@@donaldcooley897 In Genesis(creation) The Sun represents Jesus The Moon represents Satan The Stars(hosts) represents the Angels of Light The Brighter Light Sun(Jesus) will rule over the lesser Light Moon(Satan) Revelation 22:5 And there shall be no night there(No Moon); and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever. This is God saying satan will be destroyed Thats why the Moon is under her feet. and she is Clothed with the Sun... Jesus Glory

[@donaldcooley897]

@@sunnydayz8747 We are talking about Rev. 12 which John saw in a vision of a woman in heaven The Sun , Moon and a crown of 12 Stars which represents Israel and the 12 Tribes . Joseph saw the save vision in Genesis 37 : 9 - 10 ; and told Jacob his father who is called Israel , In this case The scriptures in Genesis are not talking about creation or typology . it is talking about a vision that Joseph had and the same vision John had in Rev. 12 ; they are both Israel and the 12 tribes. Mary is no where in the picture she is dead and has been for over 2000 years

[@louisbamonte3758]

"Pangs" is not the same as Labor pains

[@tasiaflynn3549]

@@donaldcooley897 The sign of Immanuel, 7:10-13 To that Isaiah replied, " Listen now, descendants of King David. It's bad enough for you to wear out the patience of people - must you wear out God's patience too? 13 WILL THEN,THE LORD HIMSELF WILL GIVE YOU A SIGN, A YOUNG WOMAN * WHO IS PREGNANT WILL HAVE A SON AND WILL NAME HIM IMMANUEL 💙 Mary Mother of God the Queen of heaven 💙 and 🌎 earth

[@manny3549]

This is an erratic interpretation. Why do you still embrace interpretation from paganism? There is only ONE GOD. GOD the Father, GOD the Son, and GOD the Holy Spirit. Mary is NOT GOD. Read your Bible.

[@lonelyberg1316]

who said mary is god ?

[@manny3549]

@@lonelyberg1316 Not said, but factually implied. Mary was a virtuous human elected by grace, not by works. Abraham, Moses and every Bible hero were elected the same way. Men and women that lived and died serving God. However, although the Bible does not support it, catholic tradition teaches that Mary is an intercessor before the Son. People don't understand that Intercession to that level is a DIVINE attribute. 1 Timothy states that only Jesus is the only Mediator between God and men. Romans 8 states that the Holy Spirit interceeds for His people. Only Jesus Christ and only the Holy Spirit are recognized in the labor of intercession. Lots of Bible verses, not enough room here. People talk a lot but ignore the Bible. Tradition that does not confirm but contradicts Bible truth is blasphemy. People just die in ignorance. Praying the rosary, praying to Mary is an acknowledgement that she is God. By praying you are attributing OMNISCIENCE and ETERNALITY. Nobody has to state that Mary is God, The moment that soul bows to a wooden image and manipulates the beads praying rosaries, that's when they are worshipping someone other than God Himself violating the FIRST COMMANDMENT. We need to read the Bible, that is the only Word of God, not tradition of men Jesus said: "I AM, the way, the truth and the life, not one cones to the Father BUT BY ME." Matthew 14:6 Hope it helps. 🙏

[@lonelyberg1316]

@@manny3549 Mary brings us closer to her Divine son and not to the father. And the rosary is the meditation of the life of Jesus, It's not just saying "hail Mary"

[@manny3549]

@@lonelyberg1316where did you learn that?

[@lonelyberg1316]

@@manny3549 Protestants should know one thing, the rosary is more than saying "Hail Mary", the rosary is the meditation of Jesus' life and is fruitful. The rosary is composed of twenty mysteries. Joyful Mysteries of the Rosary (Monday and Saturday) 1st Mystery: The Annunciation to Mary by the angel Gabriel (Lk 1.26-38; Mt 1.18-25) Fruit of mystery: *humility.* 2nd Mystery: The Visitation of Mary to her cousin Elizabeth (Lk 1.39-55) Fruit of mystery: *brotherly charity.* 3rd Mystery: The Nativity of *Jesus* in Bethlehem (Mt 2.1-12; Lk 2.1-20) Fruit of the mystery: *the spirit of poverty.* 4th Mystery: The Presentation of *Jesus* newborn baby in the Temple (Lk 2.22-38) Fruit of mystery: *purity and obedience.* 5th Mystery: The Recovery of the Child *Jesus* in the Temple (Lk 2.40-51) Fruit of the mystery: *fervour, response to God's call.* Luminous Mysteries of the Rosary (Thursday) 1st Mystery: The Baptism of *Jesus* in the Jordan (Mt 3.13-17) Fruit of mystery: *the state of grace.* 2nd Mystery: The Wedding at Cana (Jn 2:1-12) Fruit of the mystery: *trust in the will of God.* 3rd Mystery: The proclamation of the Kingdom of God with the invitation to conversion (Mk 1:15) Fruit of the mystery: *interior conversion, holiness.* 4th Mystery: The Transfiguration (Lk 9.28-36) Fruit of mystery: *contemplation.* 5th Mystery: The institution of the Eucharist (Jn 13) Fruit of the mystery: *the practice of the sacraments.* Painful Mysteries of the Rosary (Tuesday and Friday) 1st Mystery: The Agony of *Jesus* in the Garden of Olives (Mt 26.36-50; Mk 14.32-46; Lk 22.39-48; Jn 18.1-8) Fruit of the mystery: *the regret of our sins (contrition).* 2nd Mystery: The Flagellation of *Jesus* (Mt 27.26; Mk 15.15; Jn 19.1) Fruit of the mystery: *the mortification of our senses and our body.* 3rd Mystery: The Crowning of Thorns (Mt 27:27-301; Mk 15:16-20; Jn 18:37; Jn 19:2-15) Fruit of mystery: *the mortification of our thoughts and mind.* 4th Mystery: The Carrying of the Cross (Mt 27.31-33; Mk 15.20-22; Lk 23.26-32; Jn 19.16-17) Fruit of mystery: *patience in trials.* 5th Mystery: The Crucifixion and death of Jesus on the cross (Mt 27.34-61; Mk 15.23-47; Lk 23.33-56; Jn 19.18-42) *Fruit of the mystery: A GREATER LOVE FOR JESUS, WHO DIED TO SAVE US.*

[@rkeyzerep1992]

Its very clear that the book of revelations are the things that must shortly come to pass. Meaning it starts from the time of john onwards not backwards,

[@rogermendoza3541]

This is not Mary but the Nation of Israel, the covenant people of God. First, in Gen. 3:16, "To the woman He said, 'I will greatly multiply your pain in childbirth. In pain you shall bring forth children. Yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.'” Notice that part of the curse is pain in childbirth. This is why women suffer during the birth process. So, when we look back to the text of Revelation 12:1-2, we see that the woman clothed with the sun is suffering birth pain. Since the Roman Catholic position is that Mary could not be suffering birth pain (because of her Immaculate Conception and no Original Sin), then these verses cannot be about Mary. Second, this woman is not in heaven but on the Earth as the following verses described: - verse 6 "The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days." - succeeding verses: "13 When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach. 15 Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent. 16 But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring-those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus." Jesus is born Jew from the Nation of Israel. All of His disciples are Jews including Paul. The first church was all jews from the day of Pentecost to the next seven years until Paul was called and preached to the gentiles. The christian jews are persecuted by the Dragon throughout its existence until judeo-christianity came to the gentile world but still persecution by the Dragon continued to this day and it will be until Jesus comes again. The Nation of Israel, the woman, was greatly persecuted for almost 2,000 years and were banished from the Land of Israel, scattered throughout the world (verse 16: but the earth helped the woman...), for a time (verse 14) and in 1948 Israel was reborn in one day (Isaiah 66:7-8) and the jews from all over the world are gathered again in the Land. The salvation of all of Israel is coming (Romans 11:26) and as the Apostasy of the Church comes, the man of Sin will soon be revealed and the world shall be one again under the Beast system and ruler- the anti-christ. Jerusalem is the center of the end-time events and the return of Yeshua Hamashiach. Messianic Jews are multiplying greatly in Israel today and it is growing by the day. God bless Israel!

[@CrisspyChip]

Mary was Jesus' mother on earth but Jesus existed before all things with the Father and Holy Spirit. Mary isn't the creator of Jesus so why is she the Queen of Heaven if she's not divine?

[@harveywabbit9541]

Not only is Jesus one with the father, he is also one with the mother. I (Isaiah = the spring Sun), will take vengeance - I will not meet thee as a man (the barren Earth), but as a woman (the Earth in summer). Isaiah 47.3. Isaiah is identical with Christ the summer sun (female). Jesus, the winter sun, comes out (Passover) as the Anointed sun Isaiah/Christ who is female. Remember where the Savior comes out of winter, wearing the girdle of Aphrodite/Venus around his/her paps. Rev 1.13.

[@xronald619x]

She simply found grace and had the honor to birth the messiah a noble virgin Jewish servant of the most high.

[@sheenalopez7281]

It didn't say in the video that Mary is the creator of Jesus, rather it said that she gave birth to Jesus. Please listen carefully to the video

[@bobbyrice2858]

In Revelation chapter 12, John sees a vision of a woman "clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars" (Revelation 12:1). Note the similarity between this description and the description that Joseph gave of his father Jacob (Israel) and his mother and their children (Genesis 37:9-11). The twelve stars refer to the twelve tribes of Israel. So the woman in Revelation 12 is Israel. Additional evidence for this interpretation is that Revelation 12:2-5 speaks of the woman being with child and giving birth. While it is true that Mary gave birth to Jesus, it is also true that Jesus, the son of David from the tribe of Judah, came from Israel. In a sense, Israel gave birth-or brought forth-Christ Jesus. Verse 5 says that the woman’s child was "a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne." Clearly, this is describing Jesus. Jesus ascended to heaven (Acts 1:9-11) and will one day establish His kingdom on earth (Revelation 20:4-6), and He will rule it with perfect judgment (the “rod of iron”; see Psalm 2:7-9). The woman’s flight into the wilderness for 1,260 days refers to the future time called the Great Tribulation. Twelve hundred, sixty days is 42 months (of 30 days each), which is the same as 3 1/2 years. Halfway through the Tribulation period, the Beast (the Antichrist) will set an image of himself up in the temple that will be built in Jerusalem. This is the abomination that Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24:15 and Mark 13:14. When the Beast does this, he breaks the peace pact he had made with Israel, and the nation has to flee for safety-possibly to Petra (also see Matthew 24; Daniel 9:27). This escape of the Jews is pictured as the woman fleeing into the wilderness. Revelation 12:12-17 speaks of how the devil will make war against Israel, trying to destroy her (Satan knows his time is short, relatively speaking-see Revelation 20:1-3, 10). It also reveals that God will protect Israel in the wilderness. Revelation 12:14 says Israel will be protected from the devil for "a time, times, and half a time (“a time” = 1 year; “times” = 2 years; “half a time” = one-half year; in other words, 3 1/2 years).

[@alfray1072]

Sorry, but the woman in REV 12 is Mary first and foremost because she is the mother of the Lord God Jesus. The woman described by John is Mary (REV 12:5), she brought forth the Messiah King, she is seen as the NT Gebirah/Queen Mother of heaven and the Ark in heaven in REV 11:19 because Mary carried the Lord God in the NT. 2ND Mary is hated by the devil and in perpetual battle because God gave enmity between the woman (Mary) and the serpent (devil) in GEN 3:15, and this big battle was seen by John in REV 12 were Mary (woman) and the dragon (devil) is fighting in the end times. 3rD Mary, Jesus and Joseph was exiled to the wilderness (desert) of Egypt to escape persecution by King Herod (enemy). 4TH Israel is not a woman, it is a kingdom/country that was destroyed 2000 years ago for rejecting the Son of God Jesus, it is a kingdom that has a history of disobedient to God since the OT.

[@bobbyrice2858]

@@alfray1072 thats an extreme stretch common place with unregenerated unbelievers. Meaning only unbelievers read the surface content and assume that which is untrue. Most of chapter 12 is the tribes of Israel. You can’t infer queen of heaven and then have her run to the wilderness being chased by a flood. These are events prophesied yet to happen and echoed by Isaiah 40.

[@alfray1072]

@@bobbyrice2858 lol The 12 tribes of Israel is a foreshadowing of the 12 apostles appointed by Jesus (Offices). And that is part of the crown worn by the woman of the Apocalypse / The Ark seen by John in heaven and that is no one else but MARY because Mary brought forth the Messiah King Jesus, that is why she is hated by the devil and at war with her since the fall of man because God gave enmity between Mary (woman) and the devil (serpent) because Mary carried the SEED (Jesus). The only false queen is your queen james ghay bible LOL

[@bobbyrice2858]

@@alfray1072 In Revelation 12, some of the symbols are very clear, while others are not. The “red dragon” is no doubt Satan. John explicitly tells us that “the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan” (v.9; c.f. v.12). In addition, he wages war with Michael-the archangel-in heaven (v.7). Moreover, he is colored red, because he is drenched in the blood of believers (similar to the red horse of Revelation 6:4). He has a crown on his head (Rev. 12:3), as the current prince or ruler of the Earth (Jn. 12:31; 14:30; 16:11; Eph. 2:2; 2 Cor. 4:4). While the dragon imagery is clear, who is the woman whom he persecutes? Three primary answers are typically offered: Israel? Premillennial interpreters argue that the woman is the nation of Israel. Advocates of this interpretation make a number of observations about the woman: First, in the OT, the imagery of the sun, moon, and stars refers to the nation of Israel. Joseph said, “I have had still another dream; and behold, the sun and the moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me” (Gen. 37:9). Osborne writes, “In Jewish literature ‘twelve stars’ often refers to the twelve patriarchs or the twelve tribes.”[1] Second, the Bible frequently uses the imagery of a woman to refer to Israel, Zion, or Jerusalem. Paul writes, “The Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother” (Gal. 4:26). Jeremiah writes, “Surely, as a woman treacherously departs from her lover, so you have dealt treacherously with Me, O house of Israel” (Jer. 3:20; c.f. Isa. 54:1-6; Ezek. 16:8-14; Hos. 2:19-20; Micah 4:9-10). Third, in the OT, the image of being protected by eagle’s wings refers to Israel. In Exodus 19:4, we read, “You yourselves have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles’ wings, and brought you to Myself.” This seems to fit with the language in Revelation 12:14, where we read, “The two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, so that she could fly into the wilderness to her place, where she was nourished.” Fourth, the Woman is protected in the wilderness for 1,260 days. This fits with the prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27, which is directed to Israel (“your people and your holy city”). This iteration of 3.5 years is mentioned five times through this section of Revelation (Rev. 11:2; 11:3; 12:6; 12:14; 13:5). Clearly, this time span of three and a half years must be important to the author. This seems to fit with half of the seven years, where the Antichrist will be in power (Dan. 9:26-27). Fifth, Daniel 12 predicted that Michael would rise up at this time to protect Israel-not the Church (Dan. 12:1). Daniel writes, “Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will arise. And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued” (Daniel 12:1). We see a fulfillment of this, when John writes, “There was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war” (Rev. 12:7). Sixth, Jesus is said to rule the nations with a rod of iron. In Revelation 19:15, we read, “From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron.” Thus the man-child of verse 5 must be Jesus-not the Church. Mary? Roman Catholic interpreters argue that the woman here is Mary, Jesus’ mother.[2] Advocates of this interpretation argue that the woman is referred to in the singular (Rev. 12:5, 17). If the nation of Israel or the Church were really in view, then why is this woman just a singular person? Also, the most natural and straightforward reading would be to think of this as Jesus’ mother, Mary. Of course, critics of this view make a number of counter arguments: First, this is symbolic language, and it shouldn’t be read rigidly. Since we are reading apocalyptic literature, we shouldn’t place too much weight on the fact that this is spoken of as a singular woman. Second, when did the 1,260 days of nourishment occur in Mary’s life, as the text explains (vv.6, 14)? This time frame, which is mentioned five times in the text (Rev. 11:2; 11:3; 12:6; 12:14; 13:5), seems to fit best with Daniel’s vision of the 70th seven in Daniel 9:27 (as argued above). Third, when was Mary persecuted so intensely? John writes, “When the dragon saw that he was thrown down to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male child” (v.13). Roman Catholic interpreters usually identify this with Mary seeing Jesus crucified in front of her. But this doesn’t seem to fit the language of Revelation 12. Fourth, Roman Catholics believe that Mary was a perpetual virgin-not giving birth to more children. While the Bible affirms that Mary had more children (Mt. 1:25; 12:46-47; 13:55; Mk. 6:2-3; Jn. 2:12; Acts 1:14; 1 Cor. 9:4-5; Gal. 1:19), Roman Catholics argue that this Greek word for “brothers” (adelphos) should actually be translated cousins. While NT scholars disagree with this view,[3] this precludes Mary from being the woman from a Roman Catholic perspective. If Mary remained a perpetual virgin, then who are “the rest of her children” mentioned at the end of the chapter? (Rev. 12:17) The Church? Amillennial and historical premillennial interpreters argue that the woman here is the Church. Advocates of this interpretation argue that the NT authors call the Church a woman (2 Cor. 11:2; Eph. 5:25-27, 32; 2 Jn. 1, 5; 3 Jn. 9), and the early church fathers call the Church a woman as well (Hermas 5.1.1-2).[4] Moreover, Revelation 2:26-27 promises the church of Thyratira that they would reign with Christ with a rod of iron, as in verse 5 (“She gave birth to a son… who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron”). However, this expression is also directed at Jesus specifically (Rev. 19:15), as was argued above. Moreover, this interpretation puts the amillennial interpreter in the awkward position of believing that the Church gave birth to Christ! Can we really hold to such a view? Surely this puts the cart before the horse! Additionally, if the woman is the Church, then who are “the rest of her children” (v.17) mentioned later? To salvage this view, some argue that this was “ideal Israel” or “faithful Israel,” the believing remnant of Jews.[5] The “rest of her children” would refer to believers in the new covenant. There are a few problems with this view as well. For one, this is quite a concession. It admits that the woman is ethnic Israel-not believers in the Church Age. Moreover, the arrival of the Messiah had nothing whatsoever to do with the faithfulness of Israel. Indeed, some of the most unfaithful Israelites were the ancestors of Jesus. The coming of the Messiah wasn’t contingent on the faithfulness of the Israelites either. Others argue that the male-child is actually the church that gave birth to more believers in Christ (v.17). However, this would negate the earlier argument that the Church is referred to as a woman. That is, here, the Church would be referred to as a man (i.e. a male-child; v.5), which doesn’t seem to fit any known biblical imagery for the Church. Conclusion For the reasons listed above, John holds to the first view that the Woman is Israel, giving birth to the Messiah, and showing back up in the final tribulation at the end of human history.

[@alfray1072]

Israel is the birthplace of Jesus in whom he was rejected, falsely accused and killed - FACT, not a woman, just like Jacob who is male, not a woman. Again, the woman who brought forth Jesus is MARY! Please stop denying the importance and role of Mary, the mother of the Lord God Jesus in the salvation of humanity. If you say the dragon is satan, the male child who will rule all the nations in the world that ascended to heaven is Jesus, then definitely the woman who brought forth Jesus The Messiah King is MARY! Stop posting your anti Catholic bias via cancel protestant culture. 2ND, Israel can never be glorified in heaven because it is a kingdom that rejected The Son of God Jesus and all the prophets in the OT. It is the synagogue of satan (REV 2:9; REV 3:9). Their father is of the devil (JOHN 8:44). Rev 12 is about Mary, the church and Israel. But, first and foremost it is about Mary because Mary is the one who gave birth to the Messiah-King. That is very clear. No other woman gave birth to Jesus than Mary of Nazareth, The Virgin. This is common sense. it is not Israel only. The church is also the bride of God. The Lord Jesus is married to the church His bride. Mary also is considered in mystical theology as spouse of God’s Spirit because she offered her body to be consecrated to the Will of God for the birth of the Son of God. Rev 12 states that the woman is the the mother of Jesus. Rev 12:5 the woman gave birth to the King of the nations. That is Jesus and the one who gave birth to Him is Mary. No more, no less. Israel and the church are mother of Jesus only figuratively and mystically. 2nd The figures that appear in Revelation 12 are the same as those that appear in the proto-gospel of Genesis. Genesis 3:15. "I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel." Satan is both the Serpent of Genesis, and the Dragon of Revelation. Jesus is the "seed" who will crush the serpent in Genesis, and the child who will rule with a rod of iron in Revelation. In both, He and His mother, the Woman, are at permanent enmity with the serpent. The Woman of Genesis 3 and Revelation 12 is the same. However no one suggests that the woman of Genesis 3 is Israel 3rd Revelation 12 verse 17 is a confirmation of Mary's spiritual motherhood of all Christians. This motherhood is already made implicit through the fact that Christians share in Mary's motherhood through Jesus, both by being part of Jesus's body, and brethren of Jesus. -- Another interpretation of Revelation 12:17 is this verse tells us that Mary's offspring are those who keep God's commandments and bear testimony to Jesus. This demonstrates, as Catholics have always believed, that Mary is the Mother of all Christians. 4th. The interpretation of the Woman as Israel is contextually wrong. For all the other figures in this passage represent individuals, not ideas or classes of people. The Child is clearly Jesus, the Dragon is clearly Satan, each star swept out of the sky is one of the rebel angels who followed Satan. Later in the passage, we find Michael and his angels, and also the Beast - the Antichrist. The Woman is the only figure in the passage who, according to some, is not the individual stated in the text, but a collective representation. 5th. When Israel, Christians or the Church appear elsewhere in Revelation, they do not appear as personifications. They appear in literal form, as groups of individuals. See Rev 7.4: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel; Rev 7.9: ..a great multitude that no-one could count...; Rev 12.17: ..the rest of her offspring - those who obey God's commandments.... Even where the Church appears as the Bride of Christ, and a female personification would be expected, we do not get one. Instead of appearing as a woman, the Church appears as a City - the new Jerusalem. Rev 21: 9-10. 6th. If there is any doubt as to what a symbolic personage in Revelation might represent, or if a veiled meaning is intended, that meaning is immediately explained in the text. The Lamb is defined as the Lord of Lords, the Dragon is Satan. The Heads of the Beast are Kings. However no such explanation is given with respect to the Woman, underlining that the obvious meaning is the one that is intended. 7th. If we look at the reference to the Sun, Moon and Stars in this passage, the Sun, Moon and stars can indeed be taken to represent Israel. BUT in Revelation the Sun, Moon and Stars are not the subjects of the Vision. They instead form the adornments of the woman. This indicates that although the Woman is linked with Israel, she is quite clearly NOT Israel. 8th. The Woman of Revelation 12 is introduced as a great sign in Heaven. Where else in the bible can we see a Woman announced as a great sign. Look at Isaiah 7:14 "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son." We can see that this is exactly the same sign as in Revelation 12, confirming that the Woman in both occurrences is Mary.

[@TFEnchanted1111]

And she's the symbol of the Bride or Matt breida happens to be born June summer solstice gate Venus the brightest born and the Earth receives her King on Hanukkah a king is born Revelations 19 the right of the White Horse Jupiter the king of kings is a fire Chariot not Capricorn December 25th the goats are born it's haberkorn on Christmas the Earth receives her King on Hanukkah that is when the rider of the White Horse is born Sagittarius connected the Revelations 19 at the Empress of tarot is connected to Revelations 12 Virgo the virgin bright Planet equal Gemini as a woman for Bella's labor is 9 months if you count nine months from Fall Aquanauts 923 you will be at the summer soltice gate and that's when the star Bethlehem return for the very first time in 2,000 years and it actually a lined up in the Western Skies of mid North Michigan June 17th 2015 that was right after the four blood Moon touch right of the sign of Elijah Passover Elijah will come first he comes at Passover you will find the bride encrypted into the Feast of Pentecost the birth of Elijah is encrypted into the Passover that is where Easter eggs fertility rebirth Mother Earth is about to give birth to her Planet new leaves new flowers the birds will be giving out their eggs it's a timer for tillett e and rebirth in the seeds are being sown in the dirt for our Harvest of our spiritual food and that first fruit to Rise Up from the dirt is strawberries and it rises up at the strawberry moon in June at the June full moon God will put signs of the Stars at the Sun and the Moon Genesis 1:14 Joel chapter 2 verse 38 look up by the way North is up

[@mikeforfar9493]

Mary is dead in her grave waiting the resurrection at the return of Christ. Not possible for her to be queen of heaven.

[@manny3549]

Exactly!

[@stjustinthemartyrapostlesc2412]

Who said Mary is dead ? Where does that say in the Bible ?

[@mikeforfar9493]

@@stjustinthemartyrapostlesc2412 LOL. in case you didnt know we are all mortal therefore we all die. She was not resurrected nor was she translated without dying. the bible nowhere says that.

[@stjustinthemartyrapostlesc2412]

@@mikeforfar9493 Did you read rev 12 ? Or gospel of Luke ? Also early church fathers and even your founders spoke greatly of Mary

[@mikeforfar9493]

@@stjustinthemartyrapostlesc2412 yes ive read them. i dont care what anyone says about Mary.

[@TFEnchanted1111]

Draconoids meteor shower happens every year during the winter solstice time that is when one third of the stars fall from the heaven and we go into the season of Darkness they days fall short during fall time are days we'll go longer come summer soltice gate our days are longer during the time of the meteor shower write about winter solstice gate we soon to come into the Time of the Season of rebirth after the time of death and Resurrection that for plays with the Feast of when we bring in the last Feast of the pumpkins then we come into our caves we go under the world which is weird we go down under for sometime winter dark season it's the time of rest we come through our Sunbury rest as we come into the rising of the Horizon of Venus as she comes out from the underworld to give birth to her Harvest at Passover season which we are approaching this is when we will sell our seeds in the dirt God made man from that dirt and it equals a particle of dust atom ⚛