"Reverse" Pot Odds will make you MORE MONEY

Bart Hanson takes a look at a recent hand played at TCH Live demonstrating reverse pot odds in poker.
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[@CrushlivePoker]

How deep would you have to be in Sasha's spot before you would consider just calling instead of raising all in?

[@vishrantgoyal8225]

I'm shoving here upto 1.5k. Even if we are deep, IMO, this is a raise spot on the river, because 1. 3b bluff is super rare on the river 2. Opponent is always calling worse 2p and in most cases AA or KK and 3. If we get re-raised, its an easy fold.

[@frederic-olivierbrisson8110]

Like 2k+

[@stevefrazer6101]

Have a great Sunday Bart! You're the man!

[@radicaltjeNL]

Bart, There are more combos that have us beat I think a part of the call/shove puzzle is how villain thinks. QQ, 77, 88, 44 = 10 combos 56s = 4 9Ts = 4, say 3 if he just cbets with a backdoor OE and flushdraw possibility total 17 78s = 3 KK+, AQ = 20 KQ = 8 So if he's taking this line with 1 pair 100% of the time then he needs to call a shove with 1 pair more than 50% of the time (and always call 78s). I think we should shove against someone that overapplies GTO (and doesn't want to get exploited) and call against someone that will simply think hero never does this with less than 1 pair.

[@davidchamberlain3605]

"Reverse pot odds"? Interesting coinage. It works, I guess. I like it. I came into the video thinking you were talking about "reverse implied odds". But that's obviously a very different concept.

[@frederic-olivierbrisson8110]

I enjoy this video format a lot. Thanks Bart. :)

[@JohnLewis-old]

Beautiful example. Something most people never think about. Well done explaining it in a way that most players will find intuitive.

[@calfan8838]

Having watched Vittorio play, I would definitely put Q/7 and Q/8 in his range for pre-flop raises. Given that, there are even more combos that Hero beats and makes the rive jam that much more appealing.

[@kellyallen8528]

I was thinking reverse implied odds was gonna be a raise and four calls in front of us and we close the action with T9o then get stuck losing a big one on a 9 8 6 flop or something. He's def not folding AA, KK, and even AQ after the river raise of 600 more. Auto raise and if you're up against it then so be it. Still beat plenty of value hands. Good selection of a hand here Bart to review. Cheers.

[@derektomko1015]

I thought for sure villian was gonna table KK. Good job Bart finding a teachable moment even when it didn’t play out that way.... but yes QJ is a shove there at that stack depth

[@NOOBFAIL999]

such a big nit roll wtf

[@branchtana315]

Oh yeah! The standing up and leaning on the table while tanking was pretty over the top. That's some next level nit roll shit there. LOL

[@dannyhuntley2616]

He was probably considering wether to raise or not. I doubt he was thinking about folding.

[@liamhalliday8437]

Interesting concept, very worth consideration.

[@Deeaannoo]

Interesting concept going in post flop. NL is hard game to play especially in these sticky situations

[@benconlon875]

For the shove to be profitable, the villain has to have a worse hand than hero >50% of the time he calls, so i still don’t think it’s necessary to raise TOO thin in that spot

[@andrewiggins22]

Interesting concept. Watch me do this and run into the nuts every single time 😂

[@brandondorsey7204]

How light do you shove here? I was just in a spot like this where I had aces and villain donked out and bet three streets with TPTK. The stacks on the river were less than a min raise, so do you shove an overpair as well?

[@prod1gy305]

Yes it’s the same concept

[@eddiepalos6897]

Crush live poker does this match the stack only happens for the Stream? Oh is regularly at Austin?

[@CrushlivePoker]

All the 1/3 and higher games are match the stack. Only difference with the stream is that it starts “uncapped” where as in other 1/3 games it starts at 500 and 5-5 at $1000 or something. But in essence match the stack is “uncapped” there really isn’t a difference.

[@VodinhVlogs]

To add on, the stream 1/3 max buy-in to start is $1k but match the stack afterwards, the stream's 5/5 max buy-in is uncapped. I think off-stream, the 1/3 and 5/5 are capped to what Bart said.

[@robertgosney5657]

"there might be 9 or 10 hands that can beat us here" top 2 pair is literally the 8th best hand possible with this board the 2 straight hands you mentioned and 5 pocket pair hands that could have made trips puts QJ as as the 8th nut hand so at the 10 minute mark I am putting the guy on pocket Jack's pocket 7 or a 65

[@Gos1234567]

No way V has JJ

[@mrm5183]

Pretty sure he said “combos” not hands specifically. Like there’s more than 1 combo of 6 5 & 9 10. There’s a slight difference

[@nicolasd2079]

Raise all in, if you get called you still and lose, you played the hand the good way. But if you win, you win big.

[@ericsvogel]

Nice

[@allin7duece]

I get the concept but villain’s action here feels almost always like 78+ to me. J on the river is almost the same as an off suit 2 for us. Seems a little too thin to me.

[@vishrantgoyal8225]

How is J same as 2 here? With J, we are beating 87s which we are not otherwise.

[@JeffHoopAdventure]

3b or fold isn't correct vs good players-- They will 4b you wide once they know you're only 3b or folding.

[@michaelangst6078]

Do ''pros'' play nitty as fuck now or something.? this is an easy raise on the river all day even with bigger stacks with the way the hand was played

[@verissimus3008]

8:20 He certainly has something here...OR...is possible he just basically has a bluff. Hey thanks guy.

[@dwcromartie9280]

I've herd of Reverse pot odds years before this video. Nice try.

[@CrushlivePoker]

Are you sure you arent thinking of "reverse implied odds?