Making Big FOLDS at Small Stakes Poker??????

[@patdonovan994]

One of the best callers ever. Decent poker knowledgeable, doesn’t try to act like a genius and most of all shuts the f**k up when Bart is talking

[@11CLiv]

He should have called

[@Stockhandle123]

C.S. Livengood he should 3 bet the flop

[@connman8d617]

Shutting the f**k up when Bart is talking is the most sorely needed skill that callers need to master.

[@shepsean1]

@@Stockhandle123 the flop was 3 bet

[@Stockhandle123]

@@shepsean1 Are you saying that because of the straddle? Technically you’re right but in practice we all know what I meant. by your logic he should have fourbet.

[@jasonfullerton7763]

I wouldn't be surprised to see AcQ(red). It makes the line villain took less bizarre: raise preflop, bet/3bet small with TPTK, bet/call a turn that changes little, then spazz with trips and the nut flush blocker on the river. That line is terrible, but this is live 1/2 and TPTK is played like the nuts in that game.

[@raimundasm4711]

Bart, why shoving the turn is a bad move? At this point it would be very difficult for him to continue with flush draws (~22%) and even a top set (~23%). Basically he will win 1 out of 4 times. You deny his equity and take the pot right here if he folds. Or make him to call and in the long run you are still +EV (even if you lose).

[@modestomouso1234]

Yeah I agree. I mean it’s over-betting a little obviously, but given the action up to the turn I think a shove there is totally in line. We hold the stone cold nuts so the guy will be drawing against a made hand, and he’s clearly aggressive and will probably call there. Plus it makes it so you don’t have to lay it down on a scary river

[@BishopGG]

Personally I'd do the same thing. Make him after to call it all off with a flush draw or set.

[@connman8d617]

I did the math and it turns out that if your opponent calls your shove then you make like only $60 more on average than you do if V just folds. That's VERY close to the indifference point. Realistically, the play was to click the flop back and shove the turn.

[@lucyrand2751]

Bang On! ALWAYS shove with the nuts when there are that many draws on the board. I'd rather win just the blinds than let a draw come through!

[@flybone100]

Love the variety and depth of topics.

[@WillPage]

I am also leaning towards a shove on the turn. You might even get a call from AQ or over pairs (not that I think he had one) who see the shove as a semi bluff or a reaction to the small villain bet. Was a weird line and any thinking player has a lot to think about on the river; that being said a jam on the turn also solves that problem.

[@CribNotes]

I'm playing that flop like a set. 4bet for sure. Too many times I I've slow played a flopped straight on that kind of board and the turn destroys the action.

[@kevinolsta9955]

is it that big of a fold when the front door flush comes in and the board pairs?

[@travisbagley3794]

I really loved your break down there at the end on why you would call. To be honest I immediately hated that river but your break down makes perfect sense and something I need to work on. I probably would of still called but wouldn't of thought of all the great reasons you gave. P.s. I was leaning towards him having a set of queens.

[@patrick_kyker]

Make the dealer count his chips so that they are in the pot.

[@pot_kivach160]

Lol

[@mikelewis5814]

That's why i always ask for a count in these types of situations. Gets the chips in the middle

[@BallenX101]

And time to think

[@jasonfullerton7763]

"Can I get a count?" I likely already know the approx stack size, but it gives me time to think and removes any ambiguity about the action.

[@CanadianLoveKnot]

I like Bart's logic at the end, you would think he would fast play it with two pair or a set when he gets raise. Really weird line. What hands would you min raises on the flop and the turn. QJ? JJ? QQ?

[@Fred-rg5vw]

Id just jam after the 3 bet on flop. Im prob way too "basic" in my thinking. If i got to turn spot i defn jam turn

[@thaThRONe]

I definitely 4 bet on the flop really big maybe in shove. I hate flopping straights especially with 2 to a flush. Lost a huge pot flopping a straight a few days ago. Our stacks were smaller but a straight really can improve.

[@derekstorozuk4225]

Mostly like the advice for callers but extremely hard for me to get on board with suggesting a small raise on the turn. Feels like the easiest shove all in I’ve ever seen. He’s not folding a set or a nut flush combo draw

[@jakemason4801]

We don't really know what type of player this is or what he is capable of but how many flushes is he jamming on the river when the board pairs on the river? Especially it's the top card that pairs up. I could certainly be wrong here but it seems very polarizing to me, either a boat or a bluff. But even the bluffs seem relatively limited, considering he min clicked it back on the flop, unless he just isn't a strong player.

[@razcue1]

Right! Most of the time it's a fairly quick crying call. But if we're up against a known promo-chasing-nit we are always beat and my fold would also be a no brainer at that point!

[@rp18125]

the minraise turn with this SPR and ranges doesnt exist. By raising 2.5x you are just giving great odds for no reason because you are playing 1-2 live poker and people will call you with a set if you shove it in for sure. Also no way it is balanced, i m all about exploitative plays but here when we minraise turn we have no bluffs.

[@AleksiVattaja]

Why didnt bart give a single example of a hand this guy could have that hero beats? Ive seen ton of people do this with QJ, JJ, AK clubs and AT clubs. He would have to be floating the turn with those stacks behind only to turn his hand into a bluff on the river? You really think that is more likely than him playing a value hand in a way ive seen it played live hunderds of times?

[@AleksiVattaja]

Felt he had to protect his set/two pair on the flop, got a bit scared when villain called and tried to name his price/didnt want to give a free card on the turn since no draws complete, drills the river and is excited and snap shoves. Its 100% consistent with how most people play a boat or a nut flush.

[@Gos1234567]

@@AleksiVattaja Agree,I dont see hero having this guy beat at all

[@letsgetit2962]

I woulda raised his flop bet 3x to charge flush draw or chance to fill up & slammed it in on the turn brick. If he gets there so be it. If he folds im happy with taking it down. That $100 flop bet felt like him controlling the price of drawing to the flush or to keep you in the pot to fill up with a boat IMO. Good caller tho seems solid...

[@sanekabc]

Bart! Get famous by suggesting poker adds an all in chip to the game to avoid this problem forever. The Hansen all in chip. I'm serious. Makes it simple to go all in.

[@FuzzypupPoker]

I assume we have no read on the player. 3b the flop. Shove the turn if it doesn't pair and doesn't flush Assuming flop 3b and he Xs turn bet more normal and prepare to fold if shipped on. They are 100% not folding a set period, end of story at 1/2. There was a great article by one of the older players in Card Player a number of years ago. Basically when you know the opponent's hand and you hold a vulnerable nuts you can call to a safe river if the SPRs are low enough. Or in this case his bet size will tell you his hand strength OTT. Due to our hero being deep is why I like 3b'ing the flop and shoving a non-paired turn card. He simply will not fold that set. If I had to guess our opponent has top set or the same hand. So say he comes out and BOMBs the turn. At these stakes it means he is terrified of a set or flush draw catching up. But he didn't He effectively put out a blocker bet with his set. Now I know his hand. I can raise. If the board pairs on the river and he shoves I can fold. I had a very similar situation at a 2/5 game where a bad player raised the turn. Due to how the hand was played I was fairly certain he had the nut straight like I did and nothing else. There was a flopped FD. So I asked the bet size did math in my head. Looked at his stacked and just called. I had one of the FD cards in my hand which removed the possibility of him having one. The river completed the flush and I just shoved all in. He open folded his straight and I took the pot with effectively a bluff. The video is a very rare situation but you can figure out his hand here with 2 streets of him leading. One of the few times I disagree with Bart knowing my 1/2 player pool. His bet/small 3b can be top set here thinking you have a smaller set but too scared to raise small. When he bets small OTT relatively it's a blocker bet. When the front door FD comes in OTR and he shoves. It's just no way he doesn't have the quads IMO or say he was crazy enough to min-3b a combo draw then small bet the turn. The other key thing here is that he raised UTG. That narrows his range. So say we give him QQ, KcJc, Qc,Tc, and JJ = 6 combos. It only leaves him with 2 combos of T9hh and T9dd if he even raises these hands UTG which most 1/2 players do not. While his UTG raise is really MP still is it conscious enough to widen his range there? You need to find bluffs in his range and I really can't. The last thing is his tells of course which finalize the decision. At 2/5 yes I would consider calling. At 1/2 I am pretty certain to fold in this spot.

[@timmulder6362]

Agreed

[@connman8d617]

I would 1000% be 4-betting the flop to $250. This guy is never EVER betting, 3-betting and then folding the flop. He's either got a monster combo draw or he's got a set/top 2 and, for that price, he has no choice but to peel one off. Sometimes he might even spaz and just jam on us which is the dream. What's even better is that even if he has the nuts we still have a 5% freeroll on our backdoor flush draw. Just calling the 3-bet on the flop is just bad in my opinion. As played, I just jam the turn and put this guy to the test. Failing that, on the river, there are just too many hands that beat us and I am having trouble thinking about what bluffs our opponent goes with here. I guess he turns J8s and KTs into bluffs? Maybe he even overvalues Qx here? We're getting a sick price but I dunno...I guess having already put so much in the pot with the nuts kinda trivializes this spot to where it's not really going to make or break our overall EV. Calling or folding are probably pretty close in EV. I'm leaning fold just because, in spite of him clicking buttons the whole hand, this is the first time that the villain has used a large sizing. That change in behavior worries me.

[@Gos1234567]

Agree,I cent find enough bluffs to call on that river,the weird bet sizings seem to be Barts reason for calling,but the small turn bet maybe some sort of blocker in case his set is against the nuts. Definetly 4 bet or even jam the flop,

[@Mathemagical55]

I'm sure villain had AKcc but hero should have reraised again on the flop or jammed the turn.

[@travisbagley3794]

That seemed likely at first but would a club draw three bet the flop? I feel like after hero raises flop, villain would be looking to get the turn cheap

[@brendanhyatt1197]

ATcc, A9cc, KTcc, K9cc...not a lot of combos, but I don't really see any natural bluffs here?

[@andywatson3]

If the guy throws a single chip into the pot, can't the caller claim that that is the bet that has been made? I'm assuming the white chip is a tip chip or something, which complicates matters?

[@keithmorreale1243]

The play here is to click back the flop, then shove the turn. No way around it.

[@Hotobu]

I don't understand Bart's analysis. I don't see what hand the caller is beating that plays that way. Bart is giving the villain too much credit.

[@Born2Punch]

most of this guy's opinions are just wrong. He got away with this stuff back in the good days.

[@phillipholmes5206]

AK clubs seems to make sense, so good fold I think.

[@WolfdogSNS]

Bart, who was the caller?

[@patrick_kyker]

You would never 3 bet flop with AcTc?

[@blakefredrickson6506]

Bart assumes the best in the Villains. He’s applying his own sound logic to every player, including fish at $1-2. Said fish could easily be taking that bizarre line with a flush draw or a set. Another strong possibility (maybe most likely) is QJ for a flopped two pair, rivered boat. Good fold by Hero imo. I don’t think he wins this one out of four times or whatever the pot odds were. I mean what does he even beat? AA or KK?

[@hogi99]

How many players are going to bluff a river, when the opponent has less than $400 behind and everything has gotten there and has them beat? They can't beat a straight, any flush, and any full house. They would have to be a maniacal idiot.

[@pokerqAK47]

Who cares if you hand looks exactly like T9 when you 4b turn or go all in on the river? They still call. They can’t fold a set there or a flush draw. Get the $ in when u r ahead. On the river he just doesn’t beat anything.

[@AKang269]

Gr8 haircut Bart

[@jcg7672]

Young Man won't wear a mask LMAO that sounds like him for sure.

[@hymnofashes]

I only watch these videos because of the stack porn. Every time I click, do I have a $200,000 stack? I do not.