When it Looks Like a BLUFF but it isn't (Poker Strategy)

[@kevinprendergast839]

I play a lot of 1-3 and 2-5, and when I see this line, 99.5% of the time it’s not a bluff. Guy thinks his two pair are the nuts.

[@DaverendeDodo]

On this board, it is close to the nuts right, since a straight is unlikely, qq should have 3bet, and there aren't a lot of other 2 pairs possible. Only a set of 2's is likely to be a better hand

[@0wn-nothing-be-happy]

Are there players at these levels that can fold any queens? If the impression that river shoves are never bluffs is so pervasive, it seems like getting to more rivers then shoving would be profitable.

[@chucknola484]

If people are stacking off with 4th pair (like the hero in this video) 2 pair is the nuts in those games

[@compteofficiel4112]

i didn't mind the turn bet with the disguised straight draw, but you whiffed and it should be an easy fold on the river, unless you really know your players

[@damonsantore2345]

Who’s folding on the button w 66-22 live? Omg that is awful . In these games sets is where you get paid. Crazy . Heads up I can see a fold

[@compteofficiel4112]

as long as you have about 10x more behind than the price to call it's totally fine...and on the button, probably less because you may have good bluffing opportunities as well

[@compteofficiel4112]

@Cousin Jimmy Farha you should just be quiet because you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. you are confusing "implied odds" with "pot odds"....it doesn't get much more basic than that~ L O L go away you ignorant blabbermouth.

[@shtcoinmaxi1367]

I like how Bart has a discussion with callers and does not talk down to them. He seems genuinely interested in improving the thinking of his callers

[@tubewayarmy2]

He never calls anyone a fish, no matter how bad the line is. :)

[@johnnytwotimes7854]

Umm isn't that what the point is?

[@shtcoinmaxi1367]

@@johnnytwotimes7854 ummm he could easily make some callers feel stupid if he wanted to?

[@johnnytwotimes7854]

@@shtcoinmaxi1367 why would he do that?

[@shtcoinmaxi1367]

@@johnnytwotimes7854 that is the point he could, but he does not and I appreciate that about his show.

[@compteofficiel4112]

not sure i get this 'new' thinking of betting smaller for protection...how is it protection if you are giving your opponents the correct price for their draws? (serious question by the way...)

[@Gos1234567]

I think maybe he means against just overcards that called the flop,Ax,Kx type hands etc,Most people arent folding a flush to even pots size bets anyway

[@compteofficiel4112]

@@Gos1234567 well if most people are willing to pay wildly too much to draw, i'd think that would reward betting more, not less.... i'll go out on a limb and say he means something along the lines of "when betting for protection against villain's whole range, since he will mostly have a mix of draws and smaller pairs as well as some air, you can get away with betting smaller on average because you will fold out the air and small pairs more easily...." what do you think about thiat?

[@jambasket211]

Bruce M. Even a relatively small bet of 1/3 pot lays 4:1, which isn’t giving draws a favorable price. However, implied odds can make up the difference. I think your later comment is somewhat correct-laying a price to the entire range rather than focusing strictly on the draws. However, not all small pairs, or A and K high hands should be folding to this sizing, but they might. In this case with 55, I think folding overcards that don’t have a BDFD/straight draw is the focus-so like 98hh, JThh, A7hh, etc. But the key is that you don’t narrow your opponent’s range so much as to create a significant equity deficit for the remaining streets. Also an overlooked aspect of using these small protection bets is the ability to play the later streets with wider ranges. Many players won’t be used to this scenario and may cause themselves problems as they charter unknown territory.

[@Gos1234567]

@@compteofficiel4112 Yea id agree with that and if we are beat already we dont lose too much extra

[@compteofficiel4112]

@@Gos1234567 in the games i play in (don't ask! lol) people are not generally doing math and often call the larger sizing with draws, many pairs, even unpaired ace hands, so i'll probably keep making them big for now, but it does all make sense. i have been sizing down a little with overpairs and TPTK hands a little bit lately, but hands like KT on T94 i go ahead and fire pretty big still..too many bad cards can come out, for one thing. so many variables, eh? hard to make blanket statements

[@NKKK19]

What’s the bottom of your calling range on the river, Bart?

[@bkb04g]

Not Bart (ha) but i really feel, given the action, KQ is bottom of my calling range. Villain has no reason to think we're not super strong, so his bluffing freq is really low (should be, but depends on his player strength).

[@ketchup143]

at least the guy with the two pair had the wherewithal to go all in and not value bet 150-165 or so. anyways great hand to post, i love to see analyses of in-between kind of hands.

[@tylermokarry9731]

Players are much more likely to x/r flop with a FD if they are going to bluff with it; because of this I think V has very few diamond combos otr

[@leojoseph6385]

GREAT DISCUSSION !!

[@JedmcCj-uq5dw]

Snap fold

[@kitbillion7783]

Why do we even put any money in with our 55 when we don't hit a set vs passive opponents?

[@kitbillion7783]

I feel like just check back and give up and be happy to see a free card to hit our 5

[@beatingu8347]

Plenty of people in my game jam with 8-2 off on the river. It’s crazy. Sometimes they’ll have a flush. Sometimes rags. My ROI is very nice .

[@Brandon-hg7ic]

Villain owned hero

[@kristermister4791]

I would have called too :(. It wasn't like villain had the betting lead though... and also what Bart said.

[@nikitakucherov5028]

Bart confirms pot is $379..... caller no no thats wrong pot is $378 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@pot_kivach160]

Just calling turn with 2 opponents and a front door flush draw is also loose. Especially shoving the river with middle 2 pairs for value?? Expecting weaker hand to call??

[@tubewayarmy2]

Calling an all-in with 4th pair?? I don't think that this is ever the right call in any situation. If they villain was leading out he might have air, but if hero is the one raising, then villain must be calling with something.

[@acdcstein]

55s simply too weak there, even to a semibluff

[@bakaraymoo7389]

google semibluff bruh

[@MrJamberee]

@@bakaraymoo7389 googling it doesn’t make it a better play.

[@bakaraymoo7389]

@@MrJamberee he misused the term. theres should be an IQ test before being allowed to comment. every time you type you make someone more stupid by having to read it

[@carlthomas7354]

@@bakaraymoo7389 the semi bluff is referring to the 2 barrels

[@davidf9222]

I cant believe these 5s were overplayed this hard. SMH 🤣

[@compteofficiel4112]

he picked up a straight draw...what's wrong with firing another barrel on that?

[@Gos1234567]

Can get value from flush draws and possibly fold out better.If you never barrell small pairs then youre way too nitty/passive

[@thawk2007]

I got the impression that he would do this with all his underpairs and maybe weak middle pairs. That would be too weak and bluff heavy. Does he have any suited connectors with backdoors, Kx Jx to block the top pair, they seem like better bluffs.

[@compteofficiel4112]

@@thawk2007 yeah but is this really a bluff?

[@SenorJoeBiden]

It's called a value bluff

[@zerrez9791]

with 55s I would check turn. also on river its easy fold that being said I didn't think 64 or 99s was likely. I thought he had Q9 or a really slow played set. 22s etc him over calling the flop bet is so bad. when btn bets and utg calls idk if I would call with 64.

[@CribNotes]

Some guys will open jam this river because they don't want to face your bet against them. Weird but true.

[@rcinc1460]

i havent heard the hand villain has but feels like 66

[@pot_kivach160]

3bet pre would've resolved all later confusions

[@ryanlisterman1864]

If the villain bet $125 on the river. Would it looked more like a bluff or value?

[@Stockhandle123]

Ryan Listerman value

[@JedmcCj-uq5dw]

This line is never a bluff unless you are playing a maniac

[@Stockhandle123]

Jed mcC j I’ve seen it plenty of times as a bluff

[@rcinc1460]

villain needs to quit poker using online tricks that dont work live

[@jambasket211]

lol iwin What trick are you referring to?

[@schroederluck7984]

Hero couldn't have played this hand any worse. Betting the flop is eh but why is he betting the turn? Why is he putting more money into the pot with a marginal hand especially when he is last to act and could have just checked? And then calling that river jam because he was confused is just so bad. Bart, you're too nice to this fish. The value in small pairs like this is trying to flop a set and getting out of there multiway when you don't hit. Completely avoidable spot where Hero went broke for no good reason.

[@pokerandtravel6946]

Schroeder Luck Bart is nice to the fish...and you are not. That’s why Bart has hundreds of students...and you have none.

[@schroederluck7984]

@@pokerandtravel6946 I said "too nice". There is nothing wrong with being simply "nice".

[@liyexiang666]

if he pot the turn, i bet the guy do not even dare to call a shove on river

[@phillipholmes5206]

Calling with 4th pair, when he led out every street and got called? This guy is a ATM.

[@Stockhandle123]

weird line, not sure why he just called the turn.

[@compteofficiel4112]

slowplay, which worked out nicely

[@Stockhandle123]

Bruce M. Yes it did, I personally don’t like slow playing there because there’s too many cards that can come on the river that kill my action or beat me.

[@compteofficiel4112]

@@Stockhandle123 yeah most of the time i'm raising too, and probably on the larger side....when i have bottom two and can take down the pot i'm perfectly fine with that

[@carlthomas7354]

I get caught in these situations too. The second barrel is tempting but these double feels like they're calling with a queen and flush draw. Plus I feel nowadays most amateurs feel barrels on the button are a bluff and are over calling. Tough spot

[@Hoetobeajew]

way too thin to call this river

[@RackwitzG]

1. I would have folded 55 preflop in this situation. Two others in the pot are too many. Any card above a 5 is a potential threat. Hero is not getting the right price to call the preflop raise. 2. After the River the Beluga Theorm comes to effect. Aggression after the River is most often for value.

[@brianlee1417]

Terrible bet on flop

[@Gos1234567]

No!! small pairs can be bet here to deny equity to overcards

[@jambasket211]

What’s wrong with it Brian?

[@brianlee1417]

@@jambasket211 Bet is too large, having the 5d would be better, and there's so many better hands in your range that you can be betting the flop with.

[@user-dg1ux5zp4j]

Rd

[@gerhardmoeller774]

So.... hero played badly.... made 20 min of inane talk out of it...... thanks!