Review | 8.8cm Panther 1/100 (15mm) - CSG02 | Clash of Steel - Flames of War

[@bradleycoles9018]

IMO such a friggn cool looking tank, would love to get a couple turrets

[@FogofWar]

Yeah. I think BF selling the 8.8cm turret sprue as a separate product would do well.

[@trekanbelluvitsh]

Nice upgrade. Nice to have. Good review! 👍 BTW this is more of a paper panzer than it looks. First: It is a bit of a understatement that the problems of fitting the KwK 43/L71 weren't fixed. There was simply not enough room for the recoil in the "Schmalturm". And there was no solution to solve this problem. Second: The "Schmalturm" had these armoured housings for the stereoscopital rangefinder. But the rangefinder for them existed just on paper... in best case. There were some prototyps of a stereoscopical rangefinder which were tested by the germans. But these ones were for the "King Tiger". The problem. It was to wide for the Panther. The wide of the tested ones were 160cm, and the wide between the housings of the Panther was 138cm.

[@FogofWar]

Yeah. Stuffing a bigger gun in a smaller turret isn't a trivial exercise. They weren't going to solve that quickly - if at all.

[@jamesscalzo3033]

Loved the video @FogofWar! Can't wait for the next video man! If there's one thing that I can say, is that ever since Berlin was Originally Released for Version 3 back in 2018 I've always thought that Fighting with the Panzers at night would be Interesting! Night Fighting Scopes and a Stereoscopic Rangefinder, I'm definitely Sold on the Panther with the Schmallturm Turret and 88 millimeter Gun. Now I just need to look at a Force to Build them Around and I should be good to go. Maybe something like this: • Company HQ: 2 Panther Tanks (Classic KwK 42 75 millimeter Gun). • Combat Platoons: 2 Platoons each with 3 Panther Tanks (again, Classic KwK 42 75 millimeter Gun) • Weapons Platoons: 1 Platoon with 3 Jagdpanther Tank Hunters. • Support Platoons: 1 Heavy Tank Platoon with 3 Tiger II Heavy Tanks, 1 Panzerschturm Platoon, 1 Marine Grenadier Platoon, 1 Light Anti-Aircraft Platoon with 4 Flak 30 20 millimeter Anti-Aircraft Guns, 1 Anti-Aircraft Platoon with 4 Flak 37 37 millimeter Anti-Aircraft Guns, 1 Battery with 4 LeFH 18 105 millimeter Howitzers. • Additions: Sd. Kfz. 251/20 Uhu IR Spotlight Half-Tracks to the Panther and Jagdpanther Platoons, Transports to the Appropriate Anti-Aircraft Platoons and the Artillery Battery and (If Possible) Bergepanther and/or Bergetiger Armored Recovery Vehicles for the Company HQ, Otherwise stick with the Sd. Kfz. 9 Famo. Let me know what you think about this and I'll catch you in your next video man!

[@jsma9999]

A Clash of Steel Overview Video might be a good Idea and Like all the points from that game in KZbin short style. love this video and if you going to have Mupple game using one model (British Centurion come to mind). Love the video

[@FogofWar]

Thanks for the suggestions.

[@JCHarris-iu6my]

I would love to see the game tables used to accommodate the tanks for a game

[@FogofWar]

I have a few videos of tournaments for Flames of War that show setup tables.

[@Hedgehobbit]

It doesn't seem that there could possibly be enough room to operate that gun in that tiny turret.

[@FogofWar]

Yep. Bigger gun in a smaller turret equals no room.

[@bradleycoles9018]

cant be any worse then the IS2, read they had to elevate the gun to load. Hence the slow shooting rate

[@chrisgibson5267]

There's a whole industry dedicated to these late war developments and this question's been covered. I understand that the bulge on the front of the turret is there in order to allow the 8.8cm gun to be fitted into the narrow turret. The gun breech was obviously longer, and it would have otherwise occupied the space required for the tank commander. It's obvious that the rounds were likewise longer, and they had to ensure that the loader would be able to load the gun. The drawings seem to suggest that space would have been at a premiun, but the narrow frontage was what they wanted. The muzzle break was dropped as this lengthened the recoil stroke which worked the system designed to blow the fumes out through the gun barrel rather thsn allow them to be drawn into the turret once the breech was opened. Or was that on the original 7.5 cm gun? Why the 88? There are stills of an IS II hull tested, and it seems to show that thr frontal armour would stop the 7.5 cm shell, but the 8.8 cm shell was able to penetrate. Sorry. I'll get me coat......

[@gwill66000]

With interlocking front and rear plates it seems odd that they didnt just have the kit fitting mimic the real thing rather than justarry up flat gacings🤷‍♂️

[@gwill66000]

Facings even 🫣

[@FogofWar]

That would add to the complexity of the kit engineering and mean there would be a lot more tolerances that might cause issues during moulding and cutting the die. What they've gone with is good enough. Not perfect, but not too complicated either.

[@lesp1964]

Shame about the knock out pin marks on the sand shields , someone at BF had an off day when designing the mold .

[@FogofWar]

The base Panther kit is one of Battlefront’s first. There are a number of issues with the kit that wouldn’t occur with a modern BF kit.

[@lesp1964]

@@FogofWar You hope that would be the case , but you can see the knock out peg marks on the T-80 turret armour and the dust skirt on the hull front .

[@brockisenburg5437]

T57 when

[@FogofWar]

When I get around to it. Unfortunately my reviews take a while to produce.