Review: Baratza Sette 270 & 270W Coffee Grinders

An in-depth review of the Baratza Sette 270 and 270W coffee grinders. Marc from WholeLatteLove.com shows you an up-close look at these exciting new grinders from Baratza. See its grind size range and quality, accuracy tests of automatic timed and weight based grinding, learn how to program each model and get a very close look at all parts and accessories. Plus, we compare its sound level to Baratza's top of the line Forte grinder using a dB meter.
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[@MarkWallsgrove]

Fantastic review! Mentioning that the burrs cannot be replaced was slightly genius, as most do not detail such fact.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Mark. Thanks for the comment! Sette is different than most with that burr integrated into single unit with gearbox and motor. I believe Baratza rates burr life as good for 2,000lbs or about 900k. Checking with Baratza to confirm that number.

[@arturoponce6657]

Whole Latte Love did you ever get this number confirmed? Interested in buying this grinder!

[@MarcinFutrzakLeo]

Hi Whole Latte Love - have you got confirmation about this??

[@guymross]

Rest 60 seconds after espresso grind, but a full minute after coarse grind. Got it! :)

[@VeryNicePerson]

I was excited to buy it until I saw 6:15 and 6:30. $500 for a grinder that is so messy because it can't handle the static electricity is a little too much IMO. Is there a way to get rid of it?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi VNP, In some situations it produces grinds with some static. What you see in the video is what happened that day. Be aware air in studio is very dry. It has high ceilings and it was about 15F outside on the day of shooting. Temp was 75F at level of grinders probably near 90F at ceiling. Also, grinders in video are very new. In subsequent use much less static as the burrs seasoned. But what you saw in video is what you can expect with a new out of the box grinder in a very dry environment.

[@turk639]

one or 2 drops of water

[@VeryNicePerson]

Thank you for clearing this up :) It really looks like a perfect grinder for me.

[@JayDoscher]

It's worth noting that the grinders out of the box have some serious static buildup. My 270W was horrible out of the box, making a huge mess. I had planned to use cheap beans to start, but they were so dry it exacerbated the problem. I added a few drops of water added to the beans, gently wiped down the bottom of the chute with a lightly damp cloth, then used some freshly roasted beans. The problem went away and has not come back since. Baratza needs to add this to their quick start guide.

[@mattgosselin6549]

I should do this. My 270 is beyond staticky, even with fresh beans. It's to the point where I don't even bother with the portaholder because it just flings so much coffee everywhere and I just grind into the bin. I've had mine since November pulling 2-4 doubles a day and it hasn't really gotten any better.

[@daniely9310]

Awesome and Great review!! Straight to the points marc!! Welldone!! i was wondering on accuracy and you gave me that!! Cheers!!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi DY, Thanks for the comment! Making it a point to include more technical details like that in videos.

[@JayDoscher]

Make sure to note that pressing the square/stop button on the 270W resets the scale weight, so you can add your portafilter then press the stop button to reset/tare the scale. This isn't in the manual and is important since you might not have it set right out of the box, giving you wrong weight measurements for coffee grinds. As of this comment, Acaia doesn't have an app designed for the 270W, but the 270W *will* talk to the Acaia Brewmaster app on iOS (and maybe Android, I haven't checked). You can set the tare weight there as well. I frequently post pics of mine on Instagram at @jay_coffee_

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi JD, Thanks for adding that info! I've tried The Brewmaster app on iOS and no luck connecting to scale. Any advice? Did find this saying it should: acaia.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/218203423-Can-Brewbar-connect-to-the-Baratza-Sette-270W-

[@JayDoscher]

Hmmm, just went to look and now it doesn't work since the last update. Here's an old screenshot: imgur.com/a/c10Rw I didn't use it that much except to realize my tare weight was wrong, creating a mess when my 270W spit 30-40g of coffee all over the place. The one thing I have posted on several forums is that this functionality seems accidental and poorly communicated. I guess Acaia's reaction was to remove functionality- but to be clear the 270W does have a Bluetooth module in it. Acaia has not been clear about what features this will imply in the future.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Jay, Thanks a bunch for checking that out and letting us all know! I was getting frustrated trying to make it work. I'll be checking with Baratza to see if anything is planned in future and will let you know what they say.

[@drewsommer4887]

Note that in the Baratza 270 instructions, it says to make changes to the macro settings with the grinder running.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Drew, Thanks for the comment. Yes, should always due that when adjusting to a finer setting. Not a problem when going coarser. If beans are ground out no need for motor running. Marc

[@larslienenluke319]

Thank you for the very good review of the new product of Baratza! Could you do any statement about the durability of the Sette 270? I have read a lot in different forums about the Sette 270, and mostly they critizise some main failures after a few months of using. Do you have any more information about that?

[@homecafecharlie]

It's a little expensive but a very nice looking machine. Would look great in the cafe with a pair of them. A little worried about the static, seems like the grains are flying out to the side cos of the static from this very fast machine.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi SC, They are very cool looking. FYI we do not recommend the Sette for use in commercial settings. We know some will do that anyway, but really intended for home use. As for the static, when brand new out of the box most grinders produce a fair amount of static. As they break in static subsides.

[@LowsJuan]

You set the bar for packing as much info in a easy to understand direct format. Impressive! I am guessing with those mellow tones you have been doing presentations and voice work way before WLL. So my guess is that replacing the burr unit (SA 3) would probably be just as expensive as buying a new one. Am I right?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi LC, Thanks for the comment! And, you are correct. In my life before coffee I did voice over work for 15 years. When I asked Baratza about the burr/motor unit SA3 part a few months ago they said it was not a user serviceable part. Grinder has to go back to Baratza. I believe the cost was significantly less than a new grinder. The non-rotating inner burr is user replaceable and cost from Baratza is

[@electropocalypse5877]

A great looking grinder of great quality and potential. Thanks for the review Wholelatelove team! I'm curious, does anyone know if one could fit a dosing ring on the portafilter and place it on the mount with those little arms? Overall I think this would be an excellent first-time espresso grinder for me. 😄

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hey electro, you are welcome for the review! Sounds like you're looking for Baratza's drop down portafilter hook: www.wholelattelove.com/products/baratza-sette-drop-down-portafilter?variant=21366839771190 Compatible with all Sette grinders, it mounts to the arms and has an angled design that functions as a dosing ring. Hope that helps! Marc

[@electropocalypse5877]

@@Wholelattelovepage Wow, thanks so much for your help! 🙂 I might stick to hand grinding for now and save up for a better upgrade. I appreciate you doing all that you guys do and for selling professional equipment at such a low cost.

[@jryn007]

Wowww ... It's very fast considering its side of burr... Does it create much heat to beans?

[@ASFx2600]

This thing has some nice features but man, it sure does seem like it shoots coffee grinds all over the place and has some static issues. I feel like i'd have to sweep up my kitchen countertop every time i grind some coffee. Im curious to see how this would compares to the Vario-W.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi A, All grinders produce some static. Amount of static produced is dependent on a few factors with a big one being relative humidity. Dry air = more static. Also new grinders with unseasoned burrs usually produce more. With the straight thru design of of the 270 static is more apparent when it happens. An easy fix is to stir beans in the hopper with a damp finger.

[@gjmichaels5472]

I have the 270wi and grind into the portafilter with no issues.

[@elliedietrich1097]

Thanks for your great reviews. I'm comparing the Baratza Sette 270, the Breville Smart Grinder Pro, and the ROK manual grinder and stymied as to which is best. I switch between brewing in a Bonavita drip maker and a Breville Infuser espresso maker. I'm drawn to the Baratza Sette and the ROK because of ease in maintaining and cleaning. What do you recommend?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Elliie, Thanks for the comment and question. If doing espresso only I'd recommend the Sette. Baratza considers the Sette their best espresso grinder for its combination of ease of use and grind quality. They do warn its not the best choice for brew grinding. It's very fast and tends to produce more fines in the grind at medium and coarse settings. IMO 75% of users will not have a problem with a few more fines at the medium settings. But if you are very particular or partial to more expensive single origin etc. coffees it may not be the best choice for you. The ROK manual does quite well for espresso and at medium grind settings. It's a popular choice with the pour over crowd. I've taste tested shots ground on the ROK against shots ground on a Baratza Vario and found them equal in quality. I would however have a tough time recommending a manual grinder for larger pots of drip coffee. The ROK is very efficient with its long vertically oriented grinding motion but it's going to take awhile to grind enough for multi-cup drip brewing. The Breville SGP is an average lower cost all purpose grinder. It's a little more difficult to fine tune in espresso grind range as it's not a stepless grinder. If you are very particular and want better than average grind quality in an all purpose grinder I recommend a Baratza Vario. It comes with a larger 54mm ceramic burr set. For fewer fines at medium grind sizes you might want to replace the Vario's stock ceramic burrs with steel burrs.

[@elliedietrich1097]

Thank you for your quick response! I think I'm partial to the Sette 270 primarily because of its flow-through design and thinking that this will make keeping it clean so much easier. Am I making a false assumption that other designs are more labor intensive in keeping them clean? I am also wondering about the shims that the Sette ships with and whether that indicates some faulty engineering.

[@gmofftarki]

Hi Marc, or whoever happens to curate these comments, I've been curious about the microadjustment ranges on these grinders. How much overlap is there between each macro-adjustment level by virtue of the microadjustments? If you go from 10 macro at the finest micro to 9 macro at the coarsest, how will the grinds compare? If there's overlap, how many steps down on the micro do you have to go to either reach the same coarseness level as 10f or exceed it?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi gmofftarki, It's Marc curating/responding. Based on my experience there is little to no overlap so the micro-adjustment range fits in between each macro step. The 270 name comes from the number of steps in grind settings. 30 macro X 9 micro = 270. In actuality, the micro adjustments are stepless so continuously variable yielding even more size control than the 270 suggests.

[@gmofftarki]

Hi Marc: Thank you for the speedy reply. That actually surprises me because I would have figured that it would be preferable to have at least a little bit of overlap (maybe 2 "steps" to either side of the previous macro setting's extreme micro setting) to avoid the use case in which you're right in the middle of two macro settings.

[@kamranbina4396]

I've tried to do some research, but was wondering whether you think it's absolutely necessary to instal the shims? I bought the sette from you about a month ago and the grind has been pretty consistent for my beans once dialed in. I have read in some places that overtime it can wear down. If I put the shims in now will that prevent that wearing? I'd just rather know if I'm grinding at a 5A that in a month the 5A will be the same grind as before. Thanks in advance!

[@eq6222]

Excellent review. Thanks for all the details.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi e, You are welcome and thanks for taking a moment to leave your comment! Marc

[@BensCoffeeRants]

Baratza is usually pretty good with selling replacable parts for a decent price. I'm surprised they made the burr set one piece like that, I wonder how much a replacement set would cost.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Ben, Yes they are good on that. Current parts pricing from Baratza here: www.baratza.com/shop/parts/sette-parts Marc

[@Gk2003m]

I’m about to order a Sette 270. For those of you who own one, a question: what is your current coarse/fine setting for your espresso grind? I’ll be using a typical blend, and I’m imagining that such a roast blend should typically utilize a similar setting for most folks. I want to start from a good place, so I don’t need to waste too much coffee dialing it in. So let’s see your Sette settings!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi GK, For espresso you like be in the range of 2-6 on the Macro setting. From there you'll need to adjust "Dial-in" to fit your particular brewing variables like dose weight etc. Marc

[@yubertuber1]

Another well done and informative video from WLL. Thumbs up and TY. Would you recommend this over the Breville smart grinder pro?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

For espresso - yes!

[@yubertuber1]

TY. = )

[@carlcat]

So how often would one have to change the grinders and wouldn't it be expensive if you have the buy the whole grinding unit?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi carlcat, Assuming you are referring to the optional BG Burr? It's currently priced at $26. More info here: www.wholelattelove.com/baratza-sette-bg-burr-assembly

[@carlcat]

Thanks, but I was referring to the upper spinning burs, it seems you can't change them so once they go, the unit is useless?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Sorry, I get it now. Baratza has a set price repair program for all of their current grinders. It's currently $85 for the Vario and $90 for the Vario W. More information can be found at the bottom of page at this link: www.baratza.com/grinder-repair-program/

[@AClown]

Have you done or could you do a video on how to properly clean out an espresso machine, especially a neglected one haha I haven't got around to doing mine since I got it and there's no real instructions in the manual and it didn't come with any tools or anything. Thanks, great video 👍

[@Agathorn]

I´m rocking a Izzo Alex Duetto mk2 and Compak K3 Touch grinder and I´m looking to upgrade. Here is why: Sometimes, like 1 of 30 shots, I get a shot that is absolutely amazing! No bitterness or acidity, just pure bliss in taste! I would like to always be able to achieve this. I always weigh my beans before grinding and stir the grind in the portafilter. Do you think this Sette 270W grinder would be a good upgrade for me? I really like the scale and the fact that it has conical burrs (conical is by many considered to be better then flat burrs, but I don´t know). Or would you recommend another grinder or espresso machine-upgrade? I also really like the looks of the ECM Titan grinder but it has flat burrs. It´s hard to find a grinder with little to no retention of coffee and big conical burrs.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Agathorn, Thanks for the questions! I'll do my best to provide you with info here. I think your grinder machine package is a very capable combo. The Baratza 270 is a novel grinder with its straight thru design, very fluffy grind and near zero retention. But it does not have near the build quality of your Compak. It does have conical burr, but keep in mind it's a much smaller burr set. The conical v. flat is kinda like a PC/Mac debate. Depends on what you like. I think it's very difficult to say one is better than the other and at some point it's splitting hairs. IMO what's more important is burr size - bigger burrs are better. The 64mm titanium burrs in the ECM are larger than the 58s in your Compak. I like the worm gear adjustment on the Titan. It's incredibly precise and the dosing funnel which distributes a nice fluffy grind into the PF. I'm personally kinda anal about grind retention and most all grinders (Sette is an exception) have some. I almost always grind out a gram or two and chuck it before dosing. If I'm weighing doses I usually do so after the coffee is in the portafilter and add/subtract as needed. If you are making god shots 1 out of 30 with your current setup then you know it's capable. I suspect it's other variables holding back the other 29.

[@Agathorn]

Whole Latte Love Thanks for your answer! I guess a new grinder isn't the answer to my "problem". I'm on vacation now so I have the time to find out what variable in my process is lacking! Perhaps I'm getting the ECM Titan anyways, just because of the bigger burrs and it's gorgeous looks :) Thanks for all your nice and informative videos! Keep em coming!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

You are welcome! We will keep the videos coming. The Titan is a beauty!!!

[@jomivo]

Hey, have you ever tried the Bezzera BB005 grinder? In my opinion its a great grinder and its able to keep up with grinders that are twice as expensive. Also it just looks stunning .... maybe just because I fell in love with it ;) It would also interest me if it is advisable to maintain the grinder in any way? Best regards!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi JV, Thanks for the comment. We do not currently stock the BB005 so have no personal experience with it. Seems like it gets some decent reviews in forums. A couple that put it on par with a Baratza Vario. Other comments that it's slower than some, like the all metal construction although potentially not as robust as Ceados etc and good value for price. Sounds like it's winner but again no personal experience.

[@jomivo]

Whole Latte Love well I think this grinder is a little bit oldschool compared to others. I just use it with my Gaggia Classic, so it fits perfectly. Maybe if you have a better machine the grinder would not fit that good.

[@mrbubetube]

I heard this grinder is designed to hold the 58mm portafilters and won't hold the smaller ones like 51mm without dropping them. Have you tried this? Not a big deal really, because most people would probably hold the portafilter the whole time anyway.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

HI MRBT, It holds every PF I've tried with it. Even the the small ones found on many entry-level machines like Saeco Poemia and those from Delonghi. The first models that shipped late last summer and fall had much smaller supports on the adjustable arms. Currently shipping 270s and 270Ws have been updated with wider rubber supports shown in the video.

[@mrbubetube]

ah, great. Thanks!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

No problem!

[@francochan]

Hey Marc, Happy New Year! I love these guys because of the low grind retention... but please tell me straight: With the BG burr, is it FULLY CAPABLE of French Press and cold brew methods?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Franco, HNY to you too! With BG burr They are capable of grinding for press. For cold brew depends on just how coarse you go. Most grind significantly coarser for cold brew than press. Grind size range on the Settes are 230-950 microns. Compared to a Baratza Virtuoso+ which has a range of 200-1400 microns. Keep in mind Virtuoso+ is not recommended for espresso grinding unless using a lower end pressurized filter basket machine. For brew methods other than espresso the Virtuoso+ is my top recommendation for home use: www.wholelattelove.com/products/baratza-virtuoso-coffee-grinder Marc

[@francochan]

Whole Latte Love I totally agree that the Virtuoso+ is a great home-use grinder, but for pressurized baskets, as you said. On that note, would you say that a Sette 30 or a 270 (with a BG burr on hand) would be able to handle anything from espresso (with non-pressurized baskets) down to a French press? I really really love how this design limits grind retention.

[@KatzeMitGlatze]

Awesome video! I've been waiting for the Sette since its first announcement but I'm unsure whether to pull the trigger now or wait for more user reviews. For someone who is using a Gaggia CC with PID and might upgrade to a Rocket Appartamento in some years is there any good alternative to this machine that has a similarly precise timer and grind quality? I don't need the best coffee in the world and I don't plan on dumping all my money into this hobby, I just want a convenient way to make good espresso in the morning without much hassle.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Cheez, You might consider the Breville Dose Control Pro or Smart Grinder Pro. See them in action here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6nXlKNugZqWbdU Both are under $200 currently. They generally receive good user reviews as being capable of adequate grind quality for a Gaggia Classic and The Rocket you are considering. There are higher quality options for more $$ but you will be able to make a good espresso with the Brevilles.

[@cher128bx]

This grinder then would not be good if you wanted a coarser grind for French Press. Which grinder would you choose if you wanted that coarser grind as well? Thanks.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Cheryl, Thanks for the question. Baratza has an optional "Brew Grind" burr for the Sette line which is more appropriate for coarser grinding. It's currently $26 and avaialble here: www.wholelattelove.com/baratza-sette-bg-burr-assembly For French press another option is the Baratza Virtuoso: www.wholelattelove.com/baratza-virtuoso-coffee-grinder-preciso-burrs It does not have any time or weight dosing functions but costs less.

[@pav2k]

Great review!!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi pav2k, Thanks for the comment!

[@turk639]

would it actually make more sense to buy the time based one and buy a seprate acacia scale so you can also weigh your shots?

[@JayDoscher]

I own a 270W and if I could do it again, I would have done that. It's probably pretty easy to dial in the time for a specific weight with the 270, and the price difference could have gone to a dedicated Acaia scale to weigh the shot. Then you'd really only need to tweak the timing when you change beans in the hopper. Hope this helps.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi GearsW, If you weigh your shots that will get you more bang for the buck!

[@alexpoulin6006]

I love the design and features of this machine. Clearly this works well with espresso, but what about other methods like a moccamaster? Especially with the BG burr? I’m looking for something that can reliably handle medium to fine.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Alex, Thanks for the question. It has good range out to medium grind for drip brewing in Technivorm. If you are particular about your grind and want less fines at coarser grind sizes for drip etc then I would suggest getting the BG burr. Baratza now calls it the "S2" burr. More info here as well as customer reviews of performance for brew grinding: www.wholelattelove.com/products/baratza-sette-bg-burr-assembly Hope that helps! Marc

[@GustavoSanchez64]

Which would you recommend for your Expobar Office Lever Plus? This Sette 270 or the Quamar M80 Manual?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi GS, Thanks for the question. The Baratza considers their Sette 270 to be their best espresso grinder. IMO the Quamar M80 and the Sette produce a similar grind quality. The difference is in construction quality. A lot of plastic in the Baratza while the Quamar is metal through and through. Expected lifespan much longer for the Quamar.

[@bren1497]

I noticed you don't sell this particular grinder, but do you have any insight into the Fiorenzato F4? I've had to return two 270Ws for separate issues, and have read a WIDE range of reviews on the 270W in terms of its reliability and finicky nature, and stumbled across the Fiorenzato and it seems to have a better build quality. Thanks

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Bren, Thanks for the question. I have not personally used the F4. It looks to have a grind size adjustment setup similar to what's used on a Mazzer Mini. I'm not certain that's the case but it looks similar with a threaded grind collar in which those threads may be exposed to coffee grounds and oils in the grinding chamber. While Mazzers are fine grinders, they are my least favorite to take apart. Overtime, the threads get gummed up making adjustment jumpy and/or stiff. Specs I found list motor at 250w which is on the low side of what's available. You might want to have a look at these: Ceado E5P: It has larger 64mm burrs and 300w motor similar grind adjust but much better sealing of adjustment threads from grinding chamber. It's an on demand grinder. www.wholelattelove.com/ceado-e5p-electronic-coffee-grinder If you need timed functions the Ceado E6P is same specs as the E5P but with 2 timed dosing presets. Eureka Atom: It's more $$ but love this grinder! Super quiet and incredibly accurate timed dosing. Best programming I've used and grind size adjustment is separate from the grinding chamber so no jumpy or stiff adjustment.

[@mishanm]

Love your videos Marc, I have a question i hope you can assist me with. I have an ECM Technika IV Profi machine and a Mazzer Mini Electronic grinder. I make a couple of flat white cups per day and a few more during the weekend. I am happy with the ECM but recently started considering replacing grinder after watching some of your review videos and getting annoyed with the clumps i am seeing produced by my Mazer. I would hope you can assist finding a suitable upgrade (if you agree it can help resolve my problem). I was looking at the SETTE 270wi or Ceado e37J, Do you think these will be suitable as an upgrade or just a replacement grinders of a similar caliber? Are there any other more suitable grinders I should consider? Considerations are ease of cleaning and keeping the setting while doing so quick quite and clump free grounds Reliability and durability ie solid build and construction Small footprint low grind retention. Thanks !

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi MM, Thanks for the kind comment question. If you've watched some of my other videos you may know I'm not a huge fan of some Mazzer grinders. Ten years ago the were an excellent option for high-end home users. But over the last decade they have not changed much. They are difficult to clean, have somewhat jumpy size adjustment and I don't like the way the top burr rests on those 3 springs - like in the Mini. The 270Wi is an excellent option. Baratza considers it their best espresso grinder for home use. It is quick, incredibly accurate, near zero retention, easy to adjust and makes incredibly fluffy clump free grinds that distribute well. But, it is not exactly quiet. With it's grind straight thru design it doesn't isolate sound very well. Also it's missing the solid build. It's got a lot of plastic. I consider it high-end appliance grade compared to the all metal run for decades build quality of machine grade grinders like the E37J. All that said, you can have some piece of mind with the Sette grinders. If you ever have a problem Baratza has a wonderful flat rate repair program - currently $90 for the Sette. Info on that here: baratza.com/product/sette-270wi-repair/ I wouldn't expect you'd need to use that anytime soon running 2 grind cycles a day! It has a small footprint and checks most of your other boxes except the quiet part. The E37J is a tank, quieter than the Sette, produces nice fluffy grinds and has no loss of grind setting when opening up. It retains far more than the Sette. Typically about 3g. Sette is .5g on a bad day. Also has larger 64mm flat burrs compared to the conical burr in the Sette. It's a tough decision! If you can get beyond a little more noise I think the Sette 270Wi better satisfies your considerations. Hope that helps! Marc

[@mishanm]

Thanks so much for the detailed reply. I wished I seen your videos about 3 years ago when I purchased the Mazzer. Would you still consider either grinder an "upgrade"? Or should I put up with it and look at putting that money towards upgrading to the ECM Synchronica ?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

IMO either would be an upgrade based on your desires. But if it's that or the Synchronika down the road I might live with the Mazzer :)

[@calvinvanhofwegen97]

awesome video. how is the fit and finish?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi CV, as mentioned in the video, the outer case is all plastic. IMO fit and finish is excellent for product at this price. That said, The Sette is designed as a home use grinder so not going to hold up well to abuse.

[@calvinvanhofwegen97]

Thanks

[@zmoorern]

Hi WLL team. What is a good starting point grind setting for the Lavazza Super Crema in a Baratza Sette 270?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi z, New out of the box It's likely somewhere between 2 and 5 on the macro setting. But every grinder (even same make/model) is a little different. Also other variables like your dose weight, machine, filter basket. etc. You will need to dial in your grind size to your variables. Here's a video describing the simple and straightforward dialing-in process: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oIC8aHdmZ9Nnedk Hope that helps! Marc

[@zmoorern]

Whole Latte Love thanks so much. It all arrives today and tomorrow. Excited to begin making quality espresso at home.

[@zmoorern]

Whole Latte Love hi Marc. I’m getting about 60-70 ml on a double shot at about 25-30 seconds but there’s not near the crema that I see in the videos. It’s about 2/3 espresso and 1/3 crema.

[@xPentag0n]

@@zmoorern Crema moslty comes from gresh grounds. If it get's a bit oder the crema get's less :) Also weighting is better than ml it out. ' If the Sette is not grinding finde enough you can put the washer in, should be explained in the manual :)

[@evabeck9389]

Is the Baratheon Sette 270 and/or 270 W louder than the Cuisinart coffee Conical Burr Machines?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Eva, thanks for the question. I have not done a sound test of the Sette against the Cuisinart. The Sette tends to be a hair louder than similarly capable espresso level grinders. That said, I do not consider the Cuisinart anywhere as near as capable as the Sette. I don't have a Cuisinart handy to test at the moment but my guess is they are similar as the Cuisinart burrs are relatively open to the environment. You can hear Cuisinart grinders in action in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIaxdoZ_l8d7rqM

[@Ali_Zee]

Is this grinder gives good and enough fine for rancilio silvia? Because i have heaed the silvia need a very fine grind of coffee yo give a perfect shot ?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi AA, The Sette 270 will most definitely grind fine enough for espresso on the Silvia.

[@gjmichaels5472]

Yes. I have the WI and it is easy to dial in the 14gr basket on the Silvia.

[@alexkar3446]

The idea is very good: vertical flow, easy and precise grind regulation, the weight measurement quite good. For what this mill does it is relatively cheap. So where is the problem? The intrinsic quality of the build: plastic, plastic, and more plastic. Steel grinder burrs are rather soft, after a one-year visual inspection (two grinds per day about 30 gramas of beans) showed burrs milled and quite dull. That was the second set of burrs. The first was replaced by the distributor because the gears (plastic) were flattened and stopped moving the grinding wheel. Here are the bad things: Noise!!! Plastic resonates and vibrates. Vibrations cause the wiring to become loose hence the sudden stops of the machine. I started reassembling the machine myself (ta save costs of repairs). And yes, after checking all wires and putting the thing together the machine worked again. Good thing: the standard deviation of the milled weight distribution was low. I got tired of it and bought a new mill: ECM S-Automatik 64 Anthracite; quiet, solid, easy to set. However STD is poor, particularly the first dose is off a lot. For the price, the STD is much too high. Something for something. The Sette design with the quality of ECM - that is an easy solution.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Alex, Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the Sette. The grind straight through design gives one very low grind retention, fluffy well distributed grind and more noise. I've always considered the Sette grinder to be high-end appliance grade. Lot's of plastic used in construction and parts that wear and will need maintenance/replacement down the road. It has a rather unique gearbox for driving the outer burr while the inner burr remains stationary. I agree a machine grade version of the Sette would be wonderful and also rather pricey! For those looking for perfect dosing weights every time single dosing grinders like the Ceado E5SD are the way to go: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e5sd-single-dose-coffee-grinder

[@PetrVolak]

Well had mine, was not bad, but noisy as hell.. had 3 replacement in 1,5 year so it's not reliable if you do a bit of coffee... Replaced with Rocket Fausto and I can't be happier now! Just for summary I do approx 5Kg a coffee a month so not that crazy...

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Petr, Thanks for sharing your experience. 5Kg/month is a lot in my book! Like nearly 300 double espresso doses. Were you using the grinder in a commercial application? The Sette is louder than most due to it's wide open design - which also results in very low retention! It is what I consider appliance grade. Your Fausto is machine grade and more capable of handling that level of grinding. It of course comes at a much higher price. Marc

[@PetrVolak]

@@Wholelattelovepage Well No, I have it at home use only... :) I just love coffee and my wife too. I do roast my own so the word is okay there :))

[@Xrx1982]

thanks for the review can you compare it the vario please because Iam going to buy a grinder in that price range

[@Wholelattelovepage]

You are welcome. We are planning on doing a comparison to the Vario at some point. Until then, IMO the Vario is a better grinder overall. It does cost more. But has a better build quality and a proven track record as often recommended grinder for entry into higher-end grinding.

[@duh-joong-e]

I found out of box ground setting is too coarse. At 1A, dosing 16g into 14g filter basket made 30ml espresso at 10sec. There is a lot of retention due to static. Coffee grind fly everywhere make mess all over the benchtop.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi KHK, We have experienced static on some occasions with new out of the box grinders. After some use it fades as the burrs are seasoned. There may be other factors at play as well like bean variety and ambient humidity. To reduce initial static many will add a few drops of water to beans in the hopper and stir. As to out of the box to coarse at 1A have never experienced that. I've worked with a total of 4 individual Settes and all produced a grind at 1A that would have choked our machines. 30ml at 10 seconds is not entirely unreasonable with a 16g dose. We usually dose doubles in a 17-19g range and look for 20-30 seconds for 60ml from first drip.

[@duh-joong-e]

Thank you for your reply. RDT solved static issue on dark roast but medium roast or light roast was fine. I had to install a spacer, washer or whatever they call to make it work on my Linea Mini. I do 16g in 14g filter basket, extract for 20seconds to get 24g from first drip. It's just my personal preference. :)

[@Wholelattelovepage]

You are welcome! Happy to hear the static issue is solved. Baratza includes a couple spacers in currently shipping Settes. They advise these may be needed to get a finer grind after initial grinder break in. Thanks for the update!!!

[@dlwhitman58]

If using an 18g dose of coffee, grinding in to a portafilter, would you recommend using a triple basket to avoid spillage and mess?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi DLW, Thanks for the question. It depends on the basket. Most stock double baskets are very close to overfilling with an 18g dose - especially with the super fluffy grinds out of a grinder like the Sette. Most double baskets are fine with 18g after tamping. One thing you can look at is the surface of the puck after an extraction. If you see any imprint from the shower screen etc. then you may want to go with a larger basket or decrease the coffee dose. You want some space between the shower screen and puck surface when brewing. I highly recommend BaristaPro Nanotech baskets they come in 4 sizes to accommodate (on average) 15, 18, 20 and 22g. They feature an improved hole pattern, no internal ridges and Nanotech treatment for less adhesion of coffee oils etc. They really do improve extractions. If interested you can see the Nanotech baskets in action and learn more about them and 2 other easy and inexpensive upgrades in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYilp2ZtpJmEatk Here's a link to the BaristaPro 20g filter basket: www.wholelattelove.com/baristapro-20g-nanotech-precision-portafilter-basket Marc

[@BensCoffeeRants]

My vario does the same thing if your doing a big dose, grinds bounce off the top. I think there are cones that go around the portafilter to prevent / limit that, which I'm probably going to get soon myself (you could probably also make something yourself).

[@xPentag0n]

@@BensCoffeeRants You can also make an cheap one out of plastic from an old Joghurt package :) If it works good you can maybe buy and ferritic one :)

[@xPentag0n]

Look at my comment above .

[@BensCoffeeRants]

Much cleaner with the relatively cheap dosing funnel I got online.

[@jaysonmarinay1552]

270sette still worth it this 2021?

[@user-jc1yx9of9p]

Great review. Is the Sette 270 also suitable for single dose due to the low retention? (I like to switch between coffe beans one or twice a day)

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Jelle, Thanks for the comment and question. Yes it is! Very low grind retention of typically

[@user-jc1yx9of9p]

@@Wholelattelovepage Marc, many thanks for your quick response.

[@viniesp4089]

Im from Brazil and I'm wanting to buy a variou or the settew, but I need to know the difference between them to avail the investment. The espresso got better in which?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi VE, Vario is often considered the entry into high level espresso grinding. It's been around for a while and has a good reputation. The Sette is a much newer product. The Vario costs more but is built a little better. If they cost the same I'd go with the Vario.

[@bren1497]

Looking to upgrade to a weighted grinder. Would you recommend the 270W or the Vario W? Thanks!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Bren, Thanks for the question. If grinding for espresso into a portafilter then definitely go with the 270W! The Vario W only grinds by weight into the grounds bin. Also, Baratza considers the 270 their best grinder for espresso.

[@josephngan4633]

Hi, thanks for the nice video! Would you recommend 270 as a standalone grinder for softbrew? Mainly for pullover coffee..

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Joseph, You are welcome. The Sette 270 can work well for pour over coffee. We recommend for home use only.

[@josephngan4633]

Thanks, buddy :)

[@JimmyA78]

Mark, I really enjoy your videos. Man I’m stuck though. I have this grinder, the 270wi it makes such a mess. I’m struggling to dial it in. Also I have the Rocket apartamento and the puck is always wet after brew. I let preinfuse for 6 seconds than brew to 36g or 2oz. I need help

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Jim, Sorry for the delayed response. I've been off line for about a week. The 270Wi can produce some static - especially in dry, low humidity environments. Spraying the beans with a fine water mister while in the hopper and stirring can stop the static. Or just stir the beans with a wet finger. Some moisture on the puck is not unusual but it should not be excessive. A dirty shower screen or filter basket can cause more moisture on the puck after an extraction. Also excessive headroom above the puck caused by using a filter basket that's too big for the coffee dose used. Be sure and backflush with a product like Cafiza about every 30-50 brew cycles: www.wholelattelove.com/products/urnex-cafiza-espresso-machine-cleaner It will help keep your shower screen clean and the water exhaust components of the E61 group. Hope that helps! Marc

[@zeguym]

Is adding sym on sette is a must? Or when i must install shim it? Without adding shim, i can use setting as low as 3 for espresso for light roasted bean or 4D up for dark roasted bean. Cannot use under 3. But when adding 1 shim, it's need a minimum 5G to 5I before chokin my espresso machine for light roasted bean or 7E up for dark roasted bean. What is a advantage adding shim?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi andy, Thanks for the question. As you have found adding a shim makes the grind finer. Baratza recommends adding a shim after ~8lb/4kg of grinding. Your mileage may vary to some extent. Advantage of adding shim is to restore fine grinding performance after initial break-in. Hope that helps. Marc

[@KEHTABP]

I added 2 shims on a 6 months old 270 and dark roast even on 13E chokes my flow down to a 1 minute

[@zeguym]

@@KEHTABP i use 1 sim, even on 4 chokes my machine.

[@KlvnEel]

When is the Sette 270 vs EK43 vid coming out? Super curious to see how it stacks up.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Kay, Rather unlikely we'd do a video comparing the Sette to the EK43. EK43 is nearly 10 times the price of the Sette and commercial level build. Sette is not intended for commercial use.

[@KlvnEel]

My bad, I got confused with channels. There will actually be a Sette 270 vs EK43 showdown, but through Socratic Coffee. You can check their feed on their instagram @socraticcofee. But even then, the two machines are obviously not comparable for a commercial setting. I think they are being compared more for particle distribution and grind quality. It will be interesting, for sure.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

No problem. Would not recommend using a Sette in a commercial setting. I'll check out the Insta - thanks!

[@ShakaLakaMTB]

Hi, How long would you recommend to run the sette to purge when changing grind size?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

1 second

[@nrs6956]

I've downloaded as much as possible for any problems with the Sette 270. Yes it's loud, although momentarily. It did not run initially but found out via internet the setting module was installed backwards then I installed correctly. Previously called Baratza who contacted me a week later. Poor. Very good design with questionable mechanical execution!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi nrs, Thanks for sharing your opinions! Marc

[@GustavoDiazV]

The upper grinder is not user replaceable. That said I'm going for a super reliable-easy to find parts- Rancilio Rocky.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi DD, Not user replaceable but it is replaceable by Baratza. Here's what Baratza says about lifespan of the Sette: "The motor is the limiting factor in duty cycle and life expectancy. The Motor of the Sette is rated for 150 total run-hours. A double shot of espresso (18gr) takes about 5 seconds of grind time. If you make 10 double espressos per day, the grinder will last 24 YEARS. If you make 100 double shots/day, then the grinder will last 2.4 years. This is about 1500Kg of coffee, so burrs and motor would need to be replaced."

[@AzizIzgin]

Whole Latte Love may I ask, how often should one change the burr?

[@SuperOCHomes]

20k views. Good job

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi SOCH, Thanks for the comment. Check this one out with 1.1 million: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHqzqoFjfdiVbck

[@Philipppppppppppppp]

what about that coffee on the outside of the rings for the grind settings? is that only happening when your coffee grounds get too close to the machine, or is it getting through somewhere from the inside?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi P, Thanks for the question. It's a little bit of static cling! Grinder was relatively new out of the box when we shot this video. New grinders with unseasoned burrs tend to produce more static. Ambient humidity plays a roll as well. As the grinder breaks in there's less static. If low humidity is an issue stirring the beans in the hopper with a moist finger is the go to technique to control static with most any grinder.

[@TheCoffeeField]

The noise difference was only 1 decibel. Not a big deal honestly

[@schalicto]

can the portafilter holder accomodate a dosing funnel?

[@BensCoffeeRants]

Someone else told me it could for them but might be different depending on what kinda dosing funnel. One with straighter walls might be a safer bet

[@ppusparini]

Do you have any tricks for minimize the coffee mess on the porta filters after grinding comes out?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi PP, Thanks for the question. Yes I do! I'm guessing you are referring to static? If so the easy way is to use RDT... Ross Droplet Technique. Fancy name for adding a bit of water to the beans. There are fine mist sprayers for that like this one: www.wholelattelove.com/products/1-oz-fine-mist-glass-spray-bottle Or, you can just dip your finger in water and stir the beans to moisten. Works like a charm! Marc

[@ppusparini]

Thanks mark! It’s help a lot :) i still saving my money to buy my espresso dream machine still can’t choose between silvia and gaggia especially putting the pid but for the grinder already fall in love with baratza 270

[@xPentag0n]

You could also make an funnel out of an old plastic joghurt package :)

[@BensCoffeeRants]

You can buy a relatively cheap aluminum dosing funnel which makes the portafilter a larger target space for the grinds to fall. Or make one out of a plastic container yourself. But make sure you get one that sits on top edge of the basket and not inside so it avoids disturbing coffee distribution ideally.

[@xPentag0n]

@@BensCoffeeRants Yeah they're even better when you can Tamp with the funnel on!

[@GuidoHendriks1990]

So you gotta wait 60 seconds after an espresso shot and 1 minute after a brew... Thanks for clarifying the difference, haha.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi GH, lol!

[@JanEgeriis]

"not coarse enough for most press brewing" ??? So I can't use this with Aeropress or Bialetti Moka ? :'(

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Jan, Very usable for Moka as most use a grind similar in fineness to espresso. For Aeropress it depends on how you use it. Some go with fine grind and shorter immersion times but know some go all the way up to grind more typical of what's used in standard French press.

[@JanEgeriis]

Thanks for quick answer. 👍🏻

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Our pleasure!

[@BensCoffeeRants]

6:45 I wonder how much coffee ends up on the counter :D

[@MonicaRobinson]

For me a lot, I have to use the grinder bin only to keep it clean

[@BensCoffeeRants]

@@MonicaRobinson if you wanna grind direct to portafilter You can buy a relatively cheap aluminum dosing funnel which makes the portafilter a larger target space for the grinds to fall. Or make one out of a plastic container yourself. But make sure you get one that sits on top edge of the basket and not inside so it avoids disturbing coffee distribution ideally.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

@@MonicaRobinson another tip if you got low humidity / high static you can add some moisture the beans before grinding. Some recommend a light misting / spray I've seen a video where someone wets a spoon shakes it off and then stirs the coffee beans with it I'd say that should work. It's like Not ideal since the burrs are metal though and could potentially rust. So hopefully a dosing funnel does the job.

[@teardrop32]

I grind straight into the portafiler 18g and no mess, try adjusting the handles

[@harvey6850]

Mark does mention the "duty cycle" in this. That should be a real strong clue that this cheap grinder is poorly designed and will not last. It certainly is cheaper to buy than many, but my motor and gearbox failed after 2 years, using only once each morning 7 days a week. Baratza was very nice and sent me a new motor and gearbox, but now after another 2 years, it is worn out again. WLL must be getting a lot of calls for warranty on this and shame on them for continuing to sell this as a quality product when so many of them must fail.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Harvey, Thanks for sharing your experience. I've been quite clear in many videos regarding the difference between appliance and machine grade products. And, as you mention I do call out the duty cycle in this one. It is cheaper than machine grade grinders and at end of day you get what you pay for. That said many love the Sette grinders - me included. The most recent 270 Wi is magical in accuracy and consistency of weight based grinding. As you relate Baratza is excellent with support! Beyond that they have a fixed price repair program baratza.com/grinder-repair-program/ Using that any repair short of burr replacement is $85 on the Sette. Don't believe shame is warranted for offering this grinder. Marc

[@harvey6850]

Marc: thanks for the comment and agreed, their support is very good. Although you may like this grinder in the environment of your showroom and KZbin tests, I doubt you would put up with it in your home. What I didn't mention above is that new, it starts out noisy but bearable. As the gears begin to wear out, it gets increasingly loud to the point of unbearable. You really don't notice the very gradual increase in noise until it gets to that unbearable point. When you get it overhauled and replace the motor and gear assembly, it surprising how much quieter it gets. Then the whole 2 year wear out process begins again. Also, although this has course and fine adjustments on the grind, I suspect that they overlap so changing the course setting really forces you to also adjust the fine setting and dial it in all over again. This grinder was useful as a learning experience for me, I'll probably be ordering a Ceado E37S Quick Set from you. Hoping that prosumer grinder will fix all those complaints that I have on the Baratza. I do enjoy your videos and find them helpful. Thanks.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

@@harvey6850 You are welcome and thank you for the additional info. Funny you mention the E37S. Our current grinders in the studio for daily use are a Sette 270Wi and an E37S QS. 100% serious! The Sette sits next to a Crem One Infuser. The Ceado is over on the Lab set feeding whatever machine I happen to be working with. Ceado build quality is at a whole other level compared to the Sette. I'm in my mid 50's and fairly certain the Ceado will outlive me! Thanks for the comments on the videos. Marc

[@mishanm]

love the video but can't stand the background music. Why do you have to play rock sound track that makes it hard to concentrate on the information you are trying to impart?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi MM, Thanks for the comment. You'll be happy to know we stopped using music background tracks about 2 years ago! Marc

[@kirstijanpeternac2752]

vauuu nice

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Thanks KP!

[@mrbubetube]

and now for the stupid question of the year. one of my favorite coffee products is available in ground coffee only. Can I pour ground coffee into this thing and grind it to espresso? Ok, I'll spill the beans (or grounds). It's Dunkin Turbo. It's a really great flavor and if you haven't tried it, you should. Unfortunately, it's only available as ground coffee. Used to be sold everywhere, now the only place I can find it is Kmart. It's so good, I just have to try it as espresso, somehow, some way, hahahahaha www.dunkinathome.com/dunkin-coffees/roasted-coffee/dunkin-turbo-coffee

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Mr BT, No such thing as a stupid question here! So regrinding coffee from drip size to espresso size is not something we have tried. Reason... Espresso made from pre-ground coffee is not all that great compared to grinding fresh from whole beans. Coffee grinders are designed to work with whole beans. I'd be concerned that dumping pre-ground into most grinders could cause some issues. Most are gravity fed. Sette is a little different with the upper/outer burr rotating which helps to feed beans in mechanically. I think the mechanical forcing might lead to packing of the burr mechanism if using pre-ground. I did some research on the Dunk Turbo and could not find any info on variety of coffee(s) used. But I'd guess there's something out there in a whole bean coffee that's similar.

[@mrbubetube]

ya, that sucks. Not only does this coffee taste good, it puts out a great aroma when it's brewing. I used to brew coffee in the office with 8 other people, and every time I brewed this coffee, they'd walk in and take a big whiff and say "ooo that coffee smells good, can I get some?" Really makes me curious how it would taste as an espresso. I asked Dunkin if they sell it as whole beans and they said no. Hmmm, maybe I'll just dump some in a pressurized filter and see what comes out. Or I could take it to a pharmacy and have them put it through their pill crusher and tell them it's for my caffeine prescription. Or maybe I'll just whack it with a Yorkshire beer hammer. Or I could dump it in a sock and run it through my grandma's Maytag electric wringer. Or I could dump a long line of it on the railroad tracks and hope it doesn't stick to the wheels. Or maybe I could just beat the shit out of it in a blade grinder. Hmmm, that might actually work! Do you know of any blade grinders with higher than average RPMs?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

That was a fun read! So many creative ways of beating those drip grinds into espresso submission :) Beer hammer is my favorite - blade grinder not so much but worth a try? IMO the blade grinder will have the beans half cooked by the time they're espresso size and I don't think a few 100 extra RPMs will make a difference. I'm guessing the most reasonable results would come from the pressurized PF. What flavor qualities does the turbo have? Any guess as to its roast level? Perhaps I can suggest a whole bean coffee that has some of those qualities. My shot in the dark guess is it may contain some Robusta beans and be a darker roast. A customer favorite here that meets those criteria is Maromas Orphea. It's an Italian style blend that includes some quality Robusta beans. It's deep, rich, aromatic and produces gobs of golden crema. Check out the customer reviews and learn more about it here: www.wholelattelove.com/products/maromas-orphea-whole-bean-espresso Unfortunetly, it's so popular we're currently sold out :(

[@mrbubetube]

It's really hard to describe because I haven't found its equal. It's darker than regular Dunkin Donuts coffee but it's not what I would call bold or burnt like much of Starbucks coffees. It's also not a flavored coffee like Hazelnut or something like that. I would best describe it as rich, aromatic, smooth, pleasant, balanced, and for me, just plain addicting. But I know I'm not alone because every time I brewed it in my office, everybody wanted some and I'd often have to brew a 2nd pot. It's rare to find a rich flavored coffee like this without it being burnt or bitter. I can't understand why it's not a more popular blend than it is. I think it might be because of the name "Turbo", which I think is misleading and not properly descriptive. Thanks for the suggestion. I'll have to try that Maromas Orphea.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

You are welcome. And thanks for the fun read! Based on your description I think you will like the Maromas as an espresso.

[@MonicaRobinson]

I just received my Baratza Sette 270 and I can't even get it to grind.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Monica, Most common cause is not fully engaging the bean hopper. Make sure hopper is mounted properly and give it a slight clockwise twist. There's an interlock switch in the hopper mount. If the hopper is not mounted properly with the clockwise twist the grinder will not operate. It's a safety feature to prevent grinder operation if hopper is not mounted. If that turns out not to be the problem here's a link to troubleshooting info for the Sette: baratza.com/troubleshooting/ Hope that helps. Marc

[@MonicaRobinson]

@@Wholelattelovepage, I will go take it apart. It works sometimes, but not always. This Grinder creates a big mess every time all over my counter. I found I have to use the grinder bin instead of grinding straight into the portafilter.

[@SlimeKing7799]

I don't understand why this griner has bad condition burr. Also baratza doesn't concern it. so disappointing ...

[@xuarchie9098]

i was going to buy one but after upgrading my pc system to windows 10 i have learnt my lesson : don't try anything new!

[@MariusWM]

My one problem with these obviously precise grinders, are the looks. Why so ugly? They spent all their cash on engineers, but the looks resemble a VHS player from the 1990s. Other than the performance, theres not really a reason to want this in your kitchen.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Marius, Thanks for the comment. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder - subjective. Design/shape is deliberate to look like a "7". In Italian, Sette = seven. Marc

[@trex1448]

Burr not responsible .... pass

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Andrew, What do you mean? Marc