Review: Dawn of Everything by Davids Graeber & Wengrow Pt. 1/2

[@mikhailschipani2018]

I mean I don’t think they really intended to argue against the entirety of Hobbs or Roseau, I think there main target was the Popular philosophy version that everyone believes. Which apparently is wrong in the first place. Like they aren’t arguing against Roseau they are arguing again the popular myth that stems from misinterpreting their writing or more often then not not even being acquainted with it. Like they are arguing against the meta narrative myths were sorta stuck in. You know the same myth that makes “the end of history” possible for example.

[@epochphilosophy]

Victor dropping knowledge on Bonoboo missionary sex and his pornographic evidence therein is the real knowledge gained here

[@ChelseaHicSalta]

i dont know if grengrow talk about this, but one thing i found fascinating when studying indigenous history is that some nations would set up temporary states when the need arose. such as during wars or famines, and when the crises ended the state essentially dissolved

[@kpars7041]

I get a sense that the way Graeber is approaching the state of nature thinkers as having historicized their thought experiments comes from Rudolf Rocker's critiques in Nationalism and Culture

[@T_Dot94]

LMAO who's hitting the gong for Eric?

[@Ave_Vigil]

I was actually thinking about starting Dawn of Everything after finishing the book I'm currently reading, so perfect timing haha.

[@mikhailschipani2018]

The point is not to give you answers. Graeber is an anarchist, there are literally a century of anarchists that try to propose and answer those questions, we even have our own philosophers (such as Todd May, and kropotkin wrote an entire ethics book that responds to the likes of Spinoza and Nietzche even). Like your disappointed they didn’t try to answer a question that has already been answered elsewhere. If you want another anarchist anthropologist to read Peter Gelderloo is great and wrote a whole book named anarchy works dedicated to answering these sorta questions complete with anthropological sources to back up the solutions to the questions. If you really want to know I would look there. If you ask me the only reason anarchism doesn’t scale up is because the rival hierarchal systems never allow it to, and to many of the “masses” believe these metanarratives that it doesn’t and can’t work.

[@kennethhymes9734]

Elephants were FAR more prevalent before urbanism. Thr vast majority of hominids would have encountered them, in almost every region we inhabited. It is certainly plausible, as with wolves, that we aligned our own resource maximizaton practices with those we observed in elephants. If that included fermentation... well, just saying it is plausible that elephants played a role in engendering urbanism, thus indirectly and unwittingly sealing their own fates.

[@T_Dot94]

sikk. I would live to know what these guys thought of this book.

[@shannonm.townsend1232]

Check out Mat Christman's Cush Vlog reading series on the Davids

[@bernatsanroma.ot2001]

The point is precisely the counter one: you join a community to find yourself in the center of a thing that at the same time makes from you a slave but demands your worship, as would Plato say. I don't think that Hobbes can provide more than a materialistic explanation. If you have to make explicit the origin of the necessity you were dealing in this episode, you have to take care of the diálisis of the thing, and Hobbes just brings the spirit of necessity, that of rerum gestarum, not the contingence of the encounter with the Other. We are thrown into reality. In that sense, Hobbes is not a ontological explanation, but pre-explanation of the ground that makes the ontology and polithics theory necessary. The 'War against all' forgets the point that robbery and tradition have plenty similar ground, aswell as forgetting is the main aspect of reality, media common sense authority.

[@T_Dot94]

Damn, Vic is such a lib. I love you Eric.

[@dirtycelinefrenchman]

Fukuyama had some good ideas

[@T_Dot94]

Do sex at dawn or civilized to death next. pretty please. The author has podcast too. Tangentially speaking.

[@shannonm.townsend1232]

Women be accessorizing!

[@dirtycelinefrenchman]

Pinker shivving is always appreciated