REVIEW DragonBall Super: Super Hero

Scott and Lani sit down to do one of their favorite things in the whole world: Gush about new DragonBall content.
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[@ML1399TheyStoleMyName]

Honestly the funniest part of this movie is the fact that Piccolo has had to pick up Pan so often that he's on a first name basis with her preschool teacher

[@xanderfulton3186]

I guarantee you its already a ship

[@Montesama314]

I'll ship it.

[@user-ip7uj1zl6e]

That didn't happen pan recognized him. Just walked out the theater (Edit) he did acknowledge her i was just looking for the wrong dialogue sub dub tweak got my wires crossed

[@xanderfulton3186]

@@user-ip7uj1zl6e Janet

[@valentds]

@@user-ip7uj1zl6e the teacher said "piccolo san" pan recognized him under the mask, then piccolo remove the facial part and the teacher recognize him

[@Maayan6351]

Can we talk about Piccolo using his greatest signature move: THE CLOTHES BEAM!!!

[@RvEijndhoven]

Easily his most metro technique.

[@YoonSooSuh]

Next movie might show his business called "Big Green Threads"@@RvEijndhoven

[@drejames7368]

No one talks about Krillin doing the solar flare and destructo disk to save 18 and damage cell max… that was such a dope and redeeming moment for Krillin which shows his growth … because he couldn’t save 18 from imperfect cell the first time … It was refreshing

[@stevemclovin1566]

I love that. It was Krillin at his best. Him interacting with 18 was the best part for me.

[@xotai]

Honestly same. Him doing his two special moves made me so nostalgic and happy 😭💖

[@ashikjaman1940]

​​@@xotai *insert Tien screaming in the distance*

[@rcovers8542]

And the fact that he actually used that combo for ONCE

[@xotai]

@@rcovers8542 Really hitt'em with the one two combo of moves!!

[@jamieohjamie]

Piccolo being misnomered throughout the film was really nice and fit thematically. Piccolo is constantly trying to get someone else to be the hero - he tries to get Goku and Vegeta. He tries to get Gohan. He tries to get anyone else to take center stage instead of him. He gets called Kami while he is definitely NOT a god (he has to rely on Dende, the new Kami, for help). He gets called King Piccolo but he is definitely NOT a villain anymore. But he doesn't consider himself the main character. Though it isn't written very thoughtfully (this is a dragon ball story, afterall), we can interpret this as Piccolo not being true to who he really is - a hero on the same level as Goku and Vegeta. And so, when he fights against Cell with Gohan, and he sees Gohan use the Masenko, I think that's when Piccolo realizes the influence he's had on his more powerful pupil. Piccolo is VERY important to the team. Piccolo becomes the hero, and he gets to continue being the hero for Pan, the next generation. I also thought it was adorable how Pan was the only one who really paid attention to Piccolo. She knew he only drank water and offered it to him (meanwhile Videl was going to buy him food, and still gives him the stuffed toys he says he doesn't like), and she recognized him in uniform when Gohan didn't. It was so precious. They could have made the dialogue and story progression a bit more dynamic, but this is definitely a movie about Piccolo discovering his identity and self-worth and I love that so much.

[@shadow98004]

Slight correction, Gohan used the Makankosappo in the movie, not the Masenko.

[@jamieohjamie]

@@shadow98004 Thanks. You got my back, and you are correct.

[@CornBreadtm1]

Actually Piccolo does like the stuffed toys. Even has it as his phone casing. You see them in Gohan's office as well. Basically there is a 3 year old running around and the toys make her happy. And her guardians make their living space more homey for her. Piccolo has more of them than Gohan as a reference to Gohan not spending as much time with Pan as Piccolo is currently.

[@UltimatePower01]

He gets called Kami because he fused with Kami and still retains his memories of being Kami, so Shenron calling Piccolo that was valid.

[@jamieohjamie]

@@UltimatePower01 I was referring to when Korin did it. ;)

[@SuperFlik]

So one thing I liked about Piccolo being under cover, once he joins the fight and breaks his cover from Gohan's point of view it's like with the non-canon movies where Piccolo would just show up out of nowhere

[@KalebtheProdigy]

Facts

[@jasonholmes1619]

For thousands of years I lay dormant...

[@jadejackson8777]

i’m so used to piccolo showing up out of nowhere in the non-canon movies that it genuinely caught me off guard that gohan even questioned it

[@TheDiggity42]

Piccolo is Gohan’s stand. At this point it’s canon.

[@Omen_Brian]

Lol this entire time, in every movie piccolo has somewhat stood back and let the villains do their thing up until Gohan needs him

[@valiantbrotato]

When Piccolo can't fly the ship very well, Pan comments on it and Piccolo reminds us all that HE NEVER GOT HIS LICENSE! That line made me die laughing just thinking about his driving classes with Goku.

[@mikeyhassan6060]

Same

[@michaelbootes4822]

Also the weird way he grips the steering wheel reminded me of how he gripped his phone whenever he made a call. It’s like this isolated wasteland nomad is uncomfortable with technology

[@jess_please]

This.

[@orangeapples]

They made the filler canon.

[@SerratedSun5841]

I also love that he doesn’t even hold the steering wheel right 🤣

[@choawesome]

Hedo’s naming isn’t for “Hero,” it’s a different naming theme with his family. Dr. Gero is essentially Dr. Throw Up in Japanese. Android 21 aka Vomi is for Vomit. 16’s apparent name of Gevo is a combo of Gero and Vomi. And Hedo similarly is vomit or sludge/slime. A beautiful family.

[@Keegstar]

Lovely lmao

[@kristopherthompson1342]

I'm sure it's a double meaning lol.

[@duncangaming4165]

Vomi is such a pretty name though XD

[@ryan-tt6ft]

Actually Hedo's name is a reference to japanese anti-vomiting medicine, the antithesis to the rest of his bloodline

[@choawesome]

@@ryan-tt6ft yeah I heard someone else say that, but I don’t think that’s true. I’ve been in Japan the last 15 years, and I’ve never heard it used for anything other than throw up etc. I might just be unaware of the medicine, but I can’t imagine any company would name their anti-vomiting medicine “vomit.”

[@VoidNull9222]

I liked the idea of Cell Max being based on Semi-Perfect Cell since they say several times that he’s ’not done yet’. Presumably a full armed and operational Cell Max would have looked like Perfect Cell

[@EpicNerdsWithCameras]

I think it was Lani who touched on this, but he actually has traits of both, with the wings being the most notable feature.

[@SynysterGoose]

Semi perfect isn't a thing. You're either perfect or your not 😂

[@EtherealAfro]

@@SynysterGoose that's literally what cell called himself.....

[@SynysterGoose]

Literally nowhere in the manga.

[@cormacoregan471]

@@SynysterGoose Well then, what do you wanna call it? It's semi-Perfect Cell, in every media I've seen, deal with it.

[@KigaiOkasu]

If the Shadow Dragon arc ever becomes canonized, I hope to see one who complains about the mile long list of cosmetic work Bulma has done to herself.

[@Rexaura888]

Watch as that becomes the new backstory behind Nova Shenron and why he’s so kind by comparison.

[@GhostrareStardust]

I was thinking the one that was bulma's panties wish

[@Rexaura888]

@@GhostrareStardust Oceanus? But Oceanus wasn’t a totally selfish request unlike King Piccolo’s wish for his youth as Oolong was making the wish to stop Pilaf from making his for world domination, and the quickest thing Oolong could come up with was panties. So unless Bulma’s prettying herself up with wishes for Vegeta’s sake or something, I don’t think those wishes are as selfless as Oolong’s.

[@_Diego_]

@@josephmichealholland5381 the best part of gt by a longshot. What a fantastic concept and Nova shenron is one of the best characters in the series.

[@woodlefoof2]

I would like to see shadow dragon become canonized Similarly SS4 being canonized as something broly unlocks first rather than goku as a sort of mastery over the oozaru form. And with it being brown fur rather than red. So that the iconic SS4 is actually perfect oozaru mixed with god ki

[@michaelbootes4822]

What got me was how Piccolo is so clearly uncomfortable with technology. Every time he holds his phone it’s the same way he holds the steering wheel of the ship

[@EpicNerdsWithCameras]

I mean he was born, fought Goku, then went to live in the desert for years. Sure Gohan or someone else could have taught him, but I get the feeling everyone just assumes he already knows about those things. Also don't forget he failed his driver's test.

[@YooSouth]

Reminded Me Of L From Death Note

[@tiablue9106]

also when he was skyping w/ bulma, she was steadily aiming her camera while piccolo had his way too close and kept moving it around lol

[@randombencounter263]

I thought he just holds it that way cause he has really sensitive ears

[@kmgyening]

@@tiablue9106 I remember he did that when he was talking to her behind the bushes lol

[@kdog3k]

When Piccolo gave Gohan the last bean was talking about his plan, iirc he told Gohan to "hit him with a Kamehameha or something". Kinda cute how he went for the SBC in that context

[@Ffeoli1039]

yeah, that made it so much better

[@Nastara]

And its also neat because the only real damage they ever to do Cell Max is his head. Gotenks and the hunan first do damage using fat volleyball… Then Gamma 2 weakens him further. Gohan doing a Kamehameha wouldn’t work without damaging Piccolo so goes for a piercing technique that is supposed to be about precision. It’s an amazing fan service moment but it also shows Gohan pulled out the right technique for the right moment.

[@Ffeoli1039]

@@Nastara teamwork is rarely a thing in Dragon Ball. At least at this level. Refreshing battle if you ask me

[@animal245533]

I love how Piccolo address there all just powerful beams. Just pick one!

[@vianjelos]

I knew that Gohan would use the special beam cannon as soon as piccolo said that. And narrativly its perfect cause Gohans first Kamehameha was agianst cell, so its cool that his first special beam cannon is against cell max.

[@insertclevernamehere1186]

Another cool thing to note is that the end of the fight is an almost direct reference to *Goku & Piccolo vs Raditz,* with Piccolo being the one to hold the enemy in place while Gohan fires the Special Beam Cannon. It gets even better when you realize that that fight against Raditz was *the day they first met!!!*

[@BlueCrimson10]

Oh, Special Beam Cannon wasn't just picked up by Gohan. He said he'd been training in secret.

[@pottedplant37_]

He really was like us, practicing it randomly in his room.

[@GoldStorm07]

That was huge for me as a kid trying to practice Spirit Bomb after school.

[@thevine2010]

It is just to prove that Piccolo is still a better dad/grandad in this series.

[@daryno9048]

@@thevine2010 it’s not even a contest at this point lol

[@SableZardYT]

Considering who is dad is, it shouldn't matter. Goku learns shit instantly by watching people due to his saiyan heritage, why wouldn't Gohan?

[@bmak111]

One of my favorite parts was this small part at the end when Gohan asks everyone if they have seen his glasses and Piccolo asks Gohan “Does you’re eyes fix themselves when you go Super Saiyan?”. I’ve always wondered that too when Gohan started wearing glasses😂

[@StevenJones851]

lol 😆 same i always wondered about that too

[@TheLegacyofHitchcock]

It would kind of make sense; Super Saiyan is basically a 50x multiplier of your strength, speed, durability etc. I guess sight and other senses could be improved?

[@StevenJones851]

@@TheLegacyofHitchcock i think so too Gohans Eyesight improve whenever he goes Super Saiyan in base form he can't see well for some reason

[@GweiTheLeafChild]

I'd imagine Super Saiyan confers better Ki everything, so maybe Ki Sense becomes better than eyesight. "Bad" eyesight isn't really a thing that can be healed, it can be corrected, but there's nothing that's inherently damaged to be able to fix.

[@expjose6781]

The chemistry between Bulma and piccolo was hilarious. Would love to see more of that

[@StevenJones851]

they have a interesting Friendship and Dynamic

[@kmgyening]

I said the same thing! I laughed my ass off watching them banter with each other

[@StevenJones851]

@@kmgyening yup it was funny 😄

[@hoeraufist]

Your buns have been perked

[@Sayrden]

Piccolo: "You know you can just wish to be younger, right? That's what my dad did."

[@TimedRevolver]

In fairness to Goku not picking up on how Jiren operated, he was a bit busy during that fight trying not to get his head punched off. Vegeta actually had the luxury of observing Jiren fight without being attacked. Also, Whis states Vegeta overthinks all the time, which is why Ultra Instinct was out of his reach.

[@Shigademesh]

Agreed it's the same reason goku did so well against Hit he had time to observe what was happening without having to worry about fighting back.

[@TimedRevolver]

@@galanga21890 It has nothing to do with that, and I have no idea how you managed to make that leap in logic. Goku never had a real chance to observe Jiren. He was under attack pretty regularly during the tournament. It has nothing to do with meditation at all.

[@TimedRevolver]

@@galanga21890 It's Vegeta. If it were Piccolo, he wouldn't ask. Meditation isn't Vegeta's thing, so of course Goku would wonder why he's doing it.

[@fiddlesticks7245]

@@TimedRevolver This is an embarrassing cope you're spewing. Goku is a lifetime martial artist, the fact he had no clue what Vegeta was doing is just another example of Super regressing his character. You're high

[@jameskingman1227]

Goku literally ask what the point of the meditation is. He learnt all this from Kami and has been seen to do it multiple times. I could buy that maybe he missed this in the moment in TOP (but to be fair that is B.S considering how Goku is so intuitive in fighting and picks up on so much usually) but the fact he tells Vegeta that meditation isn’t training is just such an antithesis to his character. Honestly it feels like since Super has come out Goku has been made dumber to make Vegeta smarter. Goku is dumb when it comes to real world social interaction, not fighting and training.

[@stjimmerz]

Quick correction not to be annoying: Gevo, the person 16 was based on not having children. They said in the movie that Gero and Vomi had a second child and that's Hedo's parent. And I guess Violet taking the money and running was her taking child support?

[@nikosagantz]

We have to take this to the top!

[@KaiserNeko]

Haha, I tried to correct that, but we were talking about so many things.

[@JoeFanik]

That also means that Android 16 has a brother/sister out there somewhere

[@jackson4901]

@@JoeFanik I think they stated that his parents were deceased.

[@21nitsua]

Team four star had that idea in the parody funny now that it's canon 😄

[@SymonSighs]

I feel like this movie is the accumulation of Toei ACTUALLY listening to fans; downright answering some questions that's been bugging the community like: -why are DB abilities typically not brought back later? Piccolo straight up forgot about some of them. -Why do Goten and Trunks still look 10? Saiyans have delayed puberty (Although this was pretty much established with Goku, being the ultimate late bloomer). -Is Bulma a milf? Yes, yes she is. As long time fan, I was very happy and satisfied.

[@Montesama314]

"Is Bulma a MILF?" Wait, was that EVER a question? Always was a yes.

[@darkknightfan7520]

It’s small but they also give videl an overdue service by saying she’s a teacher at a martial arts dojo.

[@MetaITurtle]

The movie was alright in terms of story. They gave us a break from Goku and Vegeta. They kind of became like the gatekeepers. Like if anything goes wrong at least we have Goku and Vegeta to protect e everything

[@coryames1170]

@@MetaITurtle i just wish that they would stop ruining Goku's character 😒

[@KingOfDarknessAndEvil]

@@Montesama314 That was a yes in the Namek Saga and she didn't even have kids back then

[@artikgato]

"This is Piccolo's movie" made me immediately look up showtimes, good job as always at convincing me to support the official release!

[@3slicessenpai]

Late comment, but watching the promotional material I was like "Oh yeah, awesome, a Piccolo and Gohan team-up movie!" when it was actually more of a Piccolo and Pan team-up XD

[@platinumfactor]

HE SAID THE THING!

[@nicholascorey3186]

The last scene with Pan and piccolo, where she shows him her new talent. That was wholesome. I like how Piccolo is the best grandpa/dad. Good vibes.

[@bluebear5646]

Same here! 😎

[@doctorsnakeeater1997]

Grunkle Piccolo

[@okagron]

Piccolo is the best character in the show, not just best grandpa/dad.

[@christo_unlimited]

Something that is kinda neat about Cell Max is that Dr Hedo actually says something along the lines of "The body is done, but the personality processes still needs to be finished" so, to me, that means Cell Max was going to have more of a personality, but because Magenta released him early, he was just this mindless monster. Also, I love how after Piccolo tells everyone his plan to take down Cell Max, he drops the "Protect this world and everyone in it" line from Android 16. Like everyone has said at this point, it's pure fan service, but it's amazing.

[@kingoftherevolution4855]

Half the lines in the finale were straight out of the cell saga I swear

[@yoursonisold8743]

I watched the movie subbed and apparently in Japanese Hedo says that they are still working on the brainwashing to keep him under control rather than anything about his personality.

[@cryguy0000]

@@kingoftherevolution4855 It's almost like this movie is derivative of a bunch of other DBZ stuff. This is basically Bio Broly 2

[@pokesonav]

No, he said that "mind control" needs to be finished, not personality.

[@kmgyening]

@@cryguy0000 They even brought in the rest of the B Team that was in Bio Broly: Goten, Trunks, Krillin AND 18!

[@uknownada]

One detail I loved is that Gohan mentioned "Saiyans usually stay small for a long time, but then suddenly grow big!" Which feels like a funny callback to the start of the Piccolo Jr. Arc when Goku shows up all tall now. Also now that I think about it, probably explains why Goten and Trunks have still been babies for all of Super.....so is Mai still that young, or??

[@Rexaura888]

Gohan has that to a lesser extent as he doesn’t really get any taller from the start of Z to the beginning of the Buu saga. He gets bulkier and more rugged thanks to Piccolo in the Saiyan arc and from the time chamber training, but not really much if any development in the height category. Then he just gets a growth spurt off screen. We see that with Goten and Trunks in this movie too.

[@musicfighter282]

It was originally mentioned in the Jaco manga, and I think its a fun world-building way to explain the art style shift.

[@Abedeuss]

They stay child-like for like, 10-14 years of their life (Goku was 14 or 15 before the first time-skip in manga), suddenly shoot up to adult "form" and don't really age until they're past 40-50 or more.

[@TheTheKraven]

Honestly lets be real the writers forgot that trunks and goten were 14 and 13 during the ToP arc. That's why they looked way younger for so long for years now. This was just a way to fix that... Kinda like how they forgot how saiyans had tails and they adjusted the lore about it.

[@derekskelton4187]

@@TheTheKraven It fits with Goku and Gohan though. Both of whom had huge growth spurts off screen. Obviously this wasn't planned, but neither was anything else in this whole franchise. Toriyama just makes things work

[@cwooddirector]

On the topic of lore in this movie, I love how they confirmed Android 21 being canon and how they confirmed that Android 16 is Gero's son. It is on screen for long enough for you to notice, but it's not the focus so it doesn't take away too much from the scene and it doesn't get in the way of the plot. It is just a fun nugget of lore and a nice easter egg for fans.

[@eduardomunoz4387]

I mean... It confirm that the HUMAN that both Androids are base off are canon. Android 21 herself is still on that limbo of non-canon.

[@clayxros576]

What this movie taught me is that Toriyama should lean on his comedic chops more often again. He's got a potent talent for it, and beyond that it gives ample characterization to the fellows occupying the story. Gives a chance for dead serious xharacters like Piccolo or Tien to show off their braincells too.

[@TheManOfGold7]

Sat next to y’all in the theater Thursday night at Alamo. Didn’t wanna bother you two but I really enjoyed the movie and Scott laughing his ass off

[@KaiserNeko]

I'm sorry if I was obnoxious. 😅

[@TheManOfGold7]

@@KaiserNeko everyone was laughing. It was a great time.

[@mjkhan9664]

When he called her Janet it clicked that this is why he's annoyed at Gohan for not picking her up

[@JetZV]

When Goku and Vegeta start their fight, Whis explicitly says no ki blasts and no transformations. That fight was a display of raw strength, endurance, and martial arts technique.

[@killerizzi6840]

AND VEGETA WON LETS GO

[@Priceluked]

No way Vegeta is the better "Martial artist" but he may have the slight edge in base form just like he did back in the Saiyan Saga.

[@carso1500]

@@Priceluked He won by the skin of his teeth, like at the end both where literaly doing their best impresion of the final punch in the Sasuke vs Naruto fight

[@skubu8262]

I gotta say, I never thought I would like Pan, but they used her perfectly. She's adorable as heck, her interactions with Piccolo were phenomenal and still had some badass moments. Apart from Piccolo 'forgetting' to use the dragon balls to call Goku/Vegeta and not destroying RR base because of his 'pride' ('cause plot needs to happen), the writing for the characters was really well done. And I think that's this movie greatest strenght.

[@EpicNerdsWithCameras]

The forgetting about summoning Goku and Vegeta back I can see the argument for, but not wanting to use the Dragon Balls to destroy the base as a shortcut to winning feels entirely in character for Piccolo.

[@StormVII]

@@EpicNerdsWithCameras They already have established that Dragon Ball wishes can't grant wishes that are outside their power scope (back in Z, they couldn't even kill Nappa and Vegeta). I think that this could be applied here. Just have Shenron say 'It is beyond my power.' and Piccolo could rightfully respond with 'Shit, we are in trouble."

[@StevenJones851]

​@@StormVII yeah they could do that

[@DetectiveOlivaw]

The forgetting to summon the others is honestly a bit contrived, but I can totally see Piccolo being against using the balls to wish problems away, because if they run into a problem they can’t do that to, they won’t be ready for it

[@relic5752]

​@@DetectiveOlivawPiccolo is also just as flawed when it comes to proactive thinking as the others are. He is one of the best in the cast, but that's not an especially high bar, so it's easy to forget that Piccolo tends to make some pretty egregious mistakes: ie summoning himself to Namek, trying to fight 17, not bothering to sense Gohan's energy when Cell knocked him into a hill, missing all vital organs against Goku (ALLOFTHEM), needlessly gloating to Raditz, trying to stall Buu with hunting down humanity, etc. Piccolo is completely the type of person to get caught up in the moment and forget a vital objective/information

[@TheValiantBob]

Absolutely LOVED this movie. I only had two complaints: 1) Cell Max being a mindless rage beast made him feel super wasted, as a revived Cell what with his and Gohan's history had a ton of missed potential. 2) With Gamma No. 2 being all super into the superhero stuff, the fact that there is not a single reference to the Great Saiyaman is such a damn shame and could have been a nice bonding moment between him and Gohan

[@MsDarkz123]

For me having actual Cell back would have been pretty terrible.

[@deathnoterz3000]

Its better that Cell Max was mindless imo, it wasn't a Cell movie, it was a Gohan movie. He was a big target dummy to showcase an epic CGI battle

[@stefanoblack2221]

I personally agree with you on Cell Max, if not an exact copy of Cell... at least he could've been... something else, anything but a Bio-Broly 2.0...! The fight was a spectacle but yeah, for all the callbacks they have in the movie, having a mindless Cell was a bit of a waste :/

[@Che1Angelius]

He wasn't completed, so been mindless was fine.

[@keithallen8355]

Gamma 2 busted out a full great saiyaman pose in the background during that scene after he first fights piccolo Was expecting more than that

[@darthy0da]

I think one of my favorite things about this movie is how they un-housewife'd Videl! She runs her own martial arts dojo now! You brought up how good the 3D looks in this movie, and I totally agree, but I feel like special attention needs to be paid to the ki effects. Gohan's ki explosion when he went Blanco, Gamma 2's aura when he sacrificed himself, Cell's big-ass energy ball and all it's crazy rainbow effects, it all just looked so damn _good_

[@BritBox777]

I think there's something to be said for Videl going 'housewife' for only 4 years in the canon. Prior to the baby being born, then Pan as a baby, and now she's in preschool Videl is going back to her regular life business. It just FEELS like forever IRL.

[@Darksaviour]

Now the only character who needs to be unhoused wifed is chichi.

[@markopusic8258]

@@BritBox777 Well to be fair it has been forever IRL. Videl was introduced to us somewhere in the nineties as a teen. Maybe we got a glimpse of her in the final episode of Z I don't remember. In GT she didn't do much honestly, she had that one bit where she wanted to help, implying she still had the will to fight if needed be, but she was basically wasted as a character. Then we got her housewife version with Battle of Gods in 2013, and she remained that way all the way up to the end of DBS in march 2018. For 30+ years we've only ever known Videl either as the teen fighter, or the housewife. Of course it's gonna feel weird to see her do something unexpected after that time span. Though that's Toriyama's fault in the first place for utterly wasting Videl after introducing her in the Buu Saga.

[@BritBox777]

@@markopusic8258 Correct, but that's my very point. We don't "see" anything between Z and BOG. From BOG to the end of Super takes.... 2 years. 778 - 780. That's IT. Then the next we see of Videl is Super Hero where he's doing cool stuff again. See my point, good folk? It may feel like an eternity as a viewer but in actual canon she spend barely 4 years between BOG and SH out of action for her baby. I dare say Videl's role as a housewife/mother is.... incredibly brief in canon!

[@markopusic8258]

@@BritBox777 Yes I got your point, I was just elaborating on the why of it. Consider me a Videl fan I'm so salty she's been neglected this hard for so long. There are so many characters in DB that deserve more than what they got.

[@matthiasmccormack3213]

I WANNA SEE THE MOVIE TURNED INTO AN ABRIDGED CHRISTMAS SPECIAL. Hebo is convinced to try and revive Santa in Cell’s body, not knowing he’s evil

[@matthiasmccormack3213]

*hedo

[@user-fy1nq3nf1q]

I do too. If only they weren't burnt out on it

[@jhart6764]

God damn it. If they were doing them. This would be a Christmas movie about Santa's revival.

[@workemail8723]

Well get to work on it.

[@Sea-Salt]

Not gonna lie, I thought about that, too. Mostly because of Cell Max's red and green color scheme.

[@lightningblast6438]

47:41 Whis actually sets the rules for no transformations or destructive ki attacks, mainly for the purpose of Broly learning to keep his cool while fighting.

[@LinkinMark1994]

So according to Toriyama, the philosophy behind Gohan Beast is that throughout Super Gohan has been wanting to improve himself to protect his family. To that end he must find a power that’s all his own, not necessarily as a Saiyan, but as an earthing, as himself. So he gets a unique transformation that taps into the wild power and potential that’s constantly mentioned throughout Z. That is Gohan Beast. This is why his aura is so wild and his demeanor very calm but with a bit of anger (perhaps one could call it Gohan’s quiet rage :D). I like that and it makes sense. But here’s my take: it is also representative of his master, Piccolo. Not just Piccolo the Namekian, but King Piccolo, who originally believed himself to be a demon and carried himself as such. It influenced his attitude and his fighting style, and the way he trained his first student. He trained Gohan in the demon school, signified by the demon character on his Turtle School gi in the Saiyan Saga. Piccolo’s training was brutal and nigh-merciless and taught Gohan to be Self sufficient in battle and survival. All this training for this purpose of taking advantage of that blind rage that took Gohan over as a child. Even the blood red eyes and stark white hair make him kinda look more like a demon, which kinda makes for a neat parallel with Goku’s Ultra Instinct, which is angelic in origin. I’d love to see them push this angle more as they further develop their relationship.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

And that's all well in good but I think the movie itself should have established this because unless I read outside material or speculate than I have no idea what this new form is.

[@solidusfox]

​@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi It isn't neccesary important to know what all these transformations stand for. The same way that superman is often representive of god or jesus, but nobody knows about it either. It's all philosophical and symbolism on the author side. In this movie all you need to know that Gohan always had the potential to be ridiculiously powerful, it's repeated multipe times by Piccolo and other characters. When Gohan turned Beast, you know he now reached that potential and it shows. Cell Max was completely dominated in the movie.

[@marxist-leninist-protagonist]

Piccolo and Daimao were ACTUAL demons. Demons AND namekians. Piccolo eventually mellowed out and lost his "demoness", but he still had it before.

[@pheunithpsychic-watertype9881]

There's a philosophy now? This series can do that?

[@zakkmylde1712]

@@marxist-leninist-protagonist King Piccolo only called himself a demon because he was the nameless Namekians inner evil separated from the good. Demons in the dragon ball multiverse come from the demon realm, they are a race they don't just wake up one day and say "I'm a demon now" and have the option to pick and choose like that.

[@BlueCrimson10]

I like how when the movie started I was thinking to myself "Why doesn't Capsule Corporation have, like, a secret spy force monitoring events all over the world at this point? All these people doing shady stuff under everyone's noses, you'd think-" and then the movie shows that she does have such a force, but they're for collecting the dragon balls so she can wish herself some minor cosmetic surgery. That's good humor right there!

[@Rexaura888]

She took notes from Freeza after the Freeza force had done that a couple times.

[@F14thunderhawk]

@@Rexaura888 probably has freiza on speed dial and she just gives him his cosmetic sorcery requests so he doesnt come to earth

[@clayxros576]

The absolute funniest part is that, for keeping the DragonBalls out of the hands of randos, going for minor cosmetics is a great way to do it. Wishing for eternal youth means you might draw attention. But going a little at a time uses up the wishes easy, and keeps the maintenence subtle. Could be written off as surgery with ease. It serves a positive mentality role too! In using the all powerful wishes for such minor things, in the long run Bulma can have a list of such things to burn them on. Keyword being minor. The sustainable way to burn the wishes without falling to temptation is getting used to using them for small stuff. In many ways she has done a great job becoming the custodian to the Dragonballs

[@bellowingsilence]

I think the big point with Gohan, if the movie had more time to really cover it, would be that he needs to balance his priorities. He has responsibilities to be a father, a hero and a scholar… and it seems he starts the movie off with those priorities seriously imbalanced in favor of the latter, at the expense of the former two. I don’t think the point is necessarily supposed to be that Gohan is supposed to be any one of those things, and not any other. Gohan’s ridiculous potential means that he could honestly still keep up with Goku and Vegeta without working nearly as hard as them in that area… but he still needs to keep up, to be able to do his part in protecting the world, his friends and family, and not waste the potential that he has. Gohan doesn’t need to be a Goku and devote himself entirely to fighting. Each time Gohan has fallen way behind, it’s been because he has neglected his training entirely, not because he doesn’t live and breathe fighting like the others. Gohan doesn’t need to devote himself fully to being a “fighter”, but he does need to maintain competency and progression in that area to be a hero.

[@coryames1170]

That's what I've always said especially after the Cell arc. Imagine how strong Gohan would've been against Buu had he kept training during the 7 years of peace. And I'm talking BEFORE Elder Kai fully unlocked his potential. And I understand that Gohan doesn't want to fully be a fighter like his father, but like you said he needs to be able to do his part when the world is threatened. Of course it's understandable about Gohans desire to be away from fighting given he was thrown into it at such a young age and watched so much horror and death his whole life including his loved ones.

[@deshaunfortune912]

Exactly. The real life comparison would be being a parent, working, and exercising.

[@DenzaMan]

Especially the last lines where he mentions he was training special beam cannon in secret. Gohan is definitely rusty because "call Goku and Vegeta" is GENUINELY the best idea for the majority of threats the earth faces. But he's still working out that balance between "staying fit to protect earth"/His Job/Family responsibilities. At least he's shown that he's not getting as rusty as he did pre-Buu, and can shake of the rust fast enough when a threat appears (eg. fight against Gamma), because, as this movie shows in particular, sometimes you can't get in contact Goku and Vegeta because they are frequently off-planet.

[@clayxros576]

My boy has big hyperfixations and forgets to care for important things. He has big ADHD energy

[@KaitouKaiju]

@@clayxros576 Kinda like his dad Academia is for Gohan like fighting is for Goku

[@crocodilerock4662]

Funniest part of the movie for me was when they showed frieza in like… a close-up turntable, only to pull the camera back to reveal that frieza is actually just spinning around giddily on his ship

[@earlsaverson5387]

Mans was just happy not to be trapped in hell anymore.

[@jesusmedina6751]

​@@earlsaverson5387you mean heaven because that is Frieza's hell

[@mug281]

Btw, in the original Japanese version Gohan actually says “makanko sappo” (or however you spell it) and Gohan also stated that he was secretly training this whole time.

[@Mavikaba]

So basically he was just struggling to pronounce it this whole time.

[@XanderVJ]

@@Mavikaba why would Gohan struggle to pronounce his own language?

[@exaIgnus]

Also btw, in the latin american spanish version is called 'Makankosappo' too. Over here most special attacks retain their japanese names.

[@marxist-leninist-protagonist]

@@exaIgnus Brazilian portuguese too.

[@PalPlays]

Why wouldn't he say "Makankosappo"?

[@plplkpok]

Piccolo and Pans relationship was so cute and funny, especially Piccolo telling Pan to pretend to be scared to have Gohan power up 😂

[@MichaelB619]

Kaiser talking about them dumbing down Goku is EXACTLY how I feel. A lot of what they have Goku doing is relearning shit he's done in the past. Goku is a man that blew Vegeta's mind in the Cell arc with just staying Super Saiyan for crying out loud.

[@ryanweeks6118]

I just saw the movie and even as a vegeta fan it did feel slightly disrespectful to Goku. I personally wouldve at least had him say something like “oh yeah, that’s how I unlocked ultra instinct. That explains a bit”

[@eduardomunoz4387]

​@@ryanweeks6118 Or something like "I don't know Vegeta. I'm being doing that almost all my life but I never archive the things Jiren could do. I don't think that's how his technique works"

[@opdessto2581]

I think "Gohan Beast" was the confirmed official name, but I really like the sound of "Primal Gohan"

[@floricel_112]

I'll just call it SSJ2 gray because it uses the hairstyle and lightning are the same as super saiyan 2, except it's gray

[@tloz-kf8ey]

Gohan Blanco

[@MicahBuzanMUSIC]

I honestly loved this movie. The CGI art style took about 10 minutes to get used to, and then I was totally in. Piccolo was soooo lovable.

[@naruconas2334]

My problem with the Goku and Vegeta conversation about Jiren is that Goku ALREADY LEARNED THAT. Part of Goku's training with Mr. Popo and Kami was meditation and acting without unnecessary movement. thats what they taught him. It's one thing to regress a character, but that training was hammered into him before Z even started.

[@Rexaura888]

Not to mention we’ve seen him image train in the beginning of DBZ as well as going to max power in an instant before dropping back to normal when he arrived on Namek. That’s how he got the leg up on the Ginyus.

[@astraldirectrix]

Yeah, honestly, that _was_ a pretty awkward point about Goku’s character. DBS (or rather, DBS-era Toriyama) has an unnerving habit of oversimplifying the characterizations of its characters, Goku most of all.

[@podtherod9304]

Goku learned that lesson from Roshi, several times. He learned it from Korin, he learned it from Popo, he learned it from Kami, he learned it from King Kai. He showed that off on Namek, against Cell, taught it to Gohan. He KNOWS this shit. He knows to remain cool and composed until it’s time to strike, and he’s done it in practically every fight he’s been in since training with Popo.

[@SPIKE169]

It is a stupid moment. Vegeta should have been explaining this information to Broly not Goku. It feels like the writers wanted to make it a point that to be your most powerful one needs to be full body and mind and unfortunately Gohan has never been in the right mindset when has had power ups. ss2 and yes when he had his power unlocked he was over confident. So it looks like the writers wanted to build that home with the last half of the movie.

[@nerd2755]

Yeah that was one of the very few complaints I had. Goku is superior to Vegeta *because* he learnt balance and listened to multiple teachers. He is shown meditating in Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball Super. Vegeta is a warrior. Goku is a martial artist.

[@KentuckyKaiju]

I love the symmetry of Gohan using the Kamehameha against Perfect Cell and the Makankosappou against Cell Max. Using the signature attacks of both his dad's.

[@kdtheii]

Got to watch this movie in theaters with my kids and my wife and I nearly cried. I went from a boy watching this series with my friends on WB before the bus came to pick us up to looking at my kids having so much fun. This felt like a love letter to fans who grew up reading the manga and watching the anime. Love following Piccolo and Gohan as the leads. A glimpse of where Gohan's arc should've gone after the cell saga (in my opinion). Also it proves that you can tell stories that do not revolve around Goku and Vegeta and still be wonderful. I thought the animation was going to be strange (and it was in certain places) bit it worked so well. I also loved the credits with nimbus flying over everything. That was beautiful. Piccolo jumping off the look out was breathtaking. I can't wait to own it on DVD.

[@Dageram]

Yeah I teared up a few times watching, especially the part where Piccolo was like "Gohan, I'll hold him down and you just blast him with a kamehameha or whatever", that small line just works so well because it led me to think, yeah guess that's just how it'll end, like the kamehameha in the Cell Saga, but he went with Makankosappo instead that completely caught me off guard and it was very wholesome, I almost cried.

[@Jared-cm2wv]

I agree that Saiyaman should have been referenced. My headcanon is that Hedo was the only person Gohan's age to think the goofy antics were cool and that the Gammas were partially based on him.

[@cantbelieve5231]

Well thanks to manga Gohan, Goten, and Trunks are responsible for the gammas

[@CCharmanderK]

Lani hoped for the movie to do well in the US, and well... As of this writing, it's currently on-track to open at #1 at the North American box office with $17M-$20M, up from initial estimates of $12M-$15M. In the words of the Eternal Dragon, your wish is granted.

[@RasenKamehamehaX100]

UPDATE: It has now eclipsed Pokemon as the highest opening for an anime film in the United States. Not bad for the piss poor marketing it received. (At least based on what I've seen)

[@windhelmguard5295]

@@RasenKamehamehaX100 i think the reason why it did so poorly in japan is that they lost all the people who go to the movies only like three times a year to one piece. which is kinda weird, toei does dragonball AND one piece, they should have had the wisdom to not release both movies in competition with each other.

[@jess_please]

Good to hear :3

[@DivineNaruto]

@Iceman Also Super is less popular than Z while OP has kept the same popularity if not more since the Kaido fight. One Piece has consistently been outselling almost everyone.

[@windghost2]

@Iceman I believe it's because it's a movie about Gohan and Piccolo. Not Goku and Vegeta.

[@Kurqules]

Gevo is not Dr. Hedo's father. They mention Gero & Vomi had a second child who didn't want anything to do with the Red Ribbon army.

[@daltonreduls1442]

I think it’s perfect that Sheron gave Piccolo that new form, Kami made the dragon balls and now with the dragon balls Piccolo finally uses them to give him a power boost. It’s a full circle like the design on the back of his gi

[@DetectiveOlivaw]

I love that the symbol is also the circle of the dragon, coincidentally like the TFS logo! Total coincidence of course but a cool sigil anyways

[@fiddlesticks7245]

Bro falls down a ravine, and comes out a tangerine! This is so bad it's absurd Also bro WISHED for this power up. These are all terrible ideas

[@RedMoonLoop]

​@fiddlesticks7245 piccolo didn't wish for a power up. He wished for his potential to be unlocked like guru did. The dragon independently decided to give him something extra because of nepotism.

[@fiddlesticks7245]

@@RedMoonLoop So, in other words, he wished for a power up (potential unlock) and he got an ugly ass transformation as a bargain deal. Why did you even bother replying?

[@lukasruston8618]

@@fiddlesticks7245 People have said this over and over yet I still don't see what about the new form is ugly? He looks badass!

[@austinsetser6081]

Orange Piccolo having Kami’s emblem was a very very good touch that made me smile

[@ZYoshiYoshi64]

The part about Goku being played up as dumb in this movie (and in general) really hit home for me. I just finished watching the original Dragon Ball, and that was entirely about Goku’s journey to becoming a martial arts master. His training with Kami was entirely focused on the very thing Vegeta notices about Jiren, fighting without wasted movements or energy. It is pretty upsetting that Goku’s being painted as an idiot in this way, but this complaint is right in line with the “modern DB is too focused on power levels” thing. Though it’s a (very) dead horse, it isn’t any less true. Goku’s been a fighting prodigy his whole life and that’s being sidelined, and it’s a shame. He has so many accolades from the original series, like learning most of Roshi’s moves just by watching them, using the Kamehameha to propel himself around (also foot Kamehameha) (also also his Oozaru punch against King Piccolo, which was off the back of a Kamehameha. I’m surprised that move didn’t become character-definingly popular), being able to counter literally every single one of Tenshinhan’s moves ever, and even some stuff from the Saiyan saga, like being the first person to learn and use the Kaioken. He’s always been not just a martial arts expert, but an innovative genius in the field. He even has good moments in Super, specifically the SSJB Kaioken and the Tony Hawk Pro Skater Kamehameha against Kefla, and those are noted to be some of the most iconic moments in modern Dragon Ball. It’s no surprise those are highlights, since those are moments where Goku shows off his character-defining innovation and brought the action to a higher level. The problem is that the rest of the show he’s an idiot, which ranges from the endearing “I talk to gods like I met them at a gas station” to frustrating “what do you mean I forgot the senzu beans again?” It really is a shame. Goku’s definitely not smart in a traditional sense, but he’s got his one thing that he’s at the top of the game with. I hope they steer away from the path of detracting from Goku’s martial arts prowess moving forward. There’s no guarantee they will, but I’m hopeful at least, it’s all I really can do tl;dr Goku has spent his entire life, and subsequently all of Dragon Ball, being a prodigious and innovative martial artist, and literally trained with Kami to do exactly what Jiren does with optimizing his movements, but it’s been (almost) completely sidelined, if not forgotten, in favor of him being stupid and inept in the one thing he’s good at, and it makes me cry and shid my pant

[@21nitsua]

Everything you said tells me he has high functioning autism

[@xXSpiKeXx24553]

yes but to be fair... in the manga he is not nearly as stupid. just in the anime/super movies.

[@brettvandermeer5297]

Goku is a fighting prodigy, not a social prodigy. Dude straight up has no education except maybe a year from an old pervert. He never properly became a true adult as he is basically free to do what he wants when he isn't fighting. Which he has done since he was 11 anyway. And for his fighting prodigy side, he is sidelined by the fact that he isn't a God trying to master a technique that directly opposes his races base nature. Goiu has always been an emotional fighter. Even after his training with Popo and Kami. Training with Whis is no different

[@johnman8398]

I mean goku is straight up an idiot, a fighting prodigy but an idiot. And DB wasn't really about him becoming a martial arts master, in fact there is no like big goal its astory about a boy and his journey to self-improvement. Modern DB isn't anymore focused on powerlevels than Z was and arguably the latter half of OG DB. All the achievements you listed are just him being (again) a natural prodigy. Honestly the whole goku dumb complaint just seems like a nitpick about a trait of the character being consistent since OG DB like its a non-issue.

[@blazingfrostbitefgc9858]

Literally just switch Goku and Vegeta's positions in that scene and it fixes itself.

[@jwall1646]

Movie needed more Tien but the random NOW CANON lore just tossed in was great

[@dakodareid3807]

Please elaborate I'm not going to watch the film for some time

[@Rexaura888]

@@dakodareid3807 A lot of the “NOW CANON” falls under the spoiler category, so I’m not sure you really want that elaborated unless you don’t care about spoilers in which case just put the review on in the background.

[@dakodareid3807]

I mean I watched the whole bento video so I know the beats if not the flow

[@DeathG64]

El Blanco Gohan the one thing from Mexico I didn't know I wanted

[@Rexaura888]

@@dakodareid3807 In that case you have Gero and Voddy having a second son who got married and raised Hedo, Red and Violet being a thing, the Red Ribbon Army knowing about the events of the Buu saga (despite the wish being made to make everyone forget about Buu killing everyone), the fact that there’s another Cell and not just the one, Android 21’s existence, all of that is now canon.

[@DenzaMan]

This movie was so good; the thing that really got me was the pacing/fight choreography. Gamma 1/2 being a simultaneous fight where they were taking on Gohan and Piccolo separately at the same time, with power-ups happing on both sides, really let the characters feel like they could show off. It's an old criticism, but it was really nice that there was no "and then X leveled up and beat all the bad guys, rescuing their friends", even if it doesn't bother me anymore and I can enjoy DBS/DBZ regardless it's still damn nice to let the spotlight be on multiple characters at once. THEN we got the big finale where despite the varied "powerlevels", EVERYONE felt useful and played a part. The ki-blasts people were throwing had enough impact that left you with the feeling of "damn, if they weren't here things would be harder" and it was a genuine team effort even if it was one final strike from a single character that secured the win.

[@kokirihin]

I found it interesting when gohan misses the catch of the senzu like he missed the potara, and he states that its because when he isn't powered up his vision is terrible.

[@TaterCat95]

Which finally answers why Gohan misses the potara Goku throws him in the Buu saga by a mile (and I know someone will say he was Ultimate/Mystic then so he should've been fine, but remember he was worn out and near beaten by the time Goku got to him)

[@lillithcollins5192]

I'm pretty sure that Dende is the one who powers Picollo up. There is a whole symbolism with the pouring of the sacred water on the dragon statue and the symbol on Picollos back being an Acacia tree, which like the namekians survives in water. It's been said that it's the symbol of the pride of Namek.

[@bennygroysman4205]

I legitimately could not stop smiling from the movies start to the end

[@DaxSchaffer]

Big same. Had a smile on my face for the whole movie, which just feels so rare these days.

[@bluebear5646]

LoL 😂 all the way!!!

[@Gibsonfan1989]

I think my favorite part was when piccolo helps kidnap pan, and he's flying away. I like when pan says he's bad at flying and he's just like, "I never got my license." That was the perfect call back.

[@ramiking745]

This was a fun movie to watch, mostly because it reminded me more of the original Dragon Ball in tone compared to how Z and Super are presented. I also really liked how Piccolo was given the spotlight as well.

[@KaizaBLK]

52:05 Neat detail about that. In the Sub Shenron actually refers to him as "Lord Piccolo"

[@Captain-lw7fx]

Shenron respecting Piccolo is so damn good

[@nathanstanfield4695]

"Piccolo-Sama" if you're a Japanese purist.

[@SlatePunchgroin]

I wish we could get more slice of life dragon ball. There's so much more to develop and explore with these characters in their everyday lives. Turnip farmer Goku was great. Vegeta family vacation was great. Seeing Piccolo and how his days go outside if fighting is so much more interesting now. My favorite episode of Super is by far the baseball episode. Give me a series like that

[@GoldStorm07]

Yo! Son Goku was a pretty nice long episode from that angle.

[@matti.8465]

Same, I love how the cast nowadays is basically an extended found family, with now even Beerus and Whis joining in. Which is funny, because early on the show implies these characters don't see each other for extended periods of time, but now? I'm conviced they meet up for brunch every sunday.

[@thegreatsaxtonian]

Gohan being half blind without his glasses was also really cute for me, and I loved Piccolo questioning whether Super Saiyan healed his eye sight, but the fact that Gohan's glasses aren't just for show was such a nice humanising detail for a cast of characters who may as well be gods

[@MrAkabane1]

In terms of the family tree thing, Gevo is listed as being his uncle. In the movie it shows you the tree and it's apparently Dr Gero's other son who we have no name for that has a kid. Gevo (16) was childless. From the Dragonball Wiki entry of Vomi: "She had a son with Dr. Gero who later became the model for the design of Android 16, as well as a second child who went on to have Dr. Hedo. "

[@Rexaura888]

That whole thing about parents being concerned about their kids and said kids becoming concerned about if they’re actually OK in response explains so much about how Gohan started off as a kid. I can definitely see Chichi as the sort of concerned mother especially since she is a first time mother who’s taking the parent role more seriously than Goku with his free spirited nature. No doubt she was constantly checking up on Gohan any time he tripped or collided with something (not to mention that she also grew up pretty pampered by Ox King so that’s the only style of parenting she likely knew). It’s kinda refreshing that she was less that way with Goten, like she sort of learned from her experience with Gohan though it also might’ve been due to how much Goten resembled Goku. While I wouldn’t call Super a regression for her character (she does want to make sure that Goten gets a career and doesn’t end up being borderline deadbeat like Goku), I wish that side of her was more prevalent in how she parents Goten in that series. Conversely we don’t see this with Kid Trunks because the Briefs have always seemed healthily independent and balanced by comparison. Bulma’s already going off into the world by herself in her teens, but she still returns to and stays with her mom and dad even after Vegeta moves in with her. The Briefs aren’t absent from each other’s lives but they’re not always constantly checking up on each other either. There’s that trust that they know the other’s fine and that everyone needs their space to grow in their own time and their own way. Spoiler topics in reply.

[@Rexaura888]

Spoilers: 27:30 I feel like there’s this unspoken rule for any non-Mario role Charles Martinet has been cast in since becoming Interactive Mario that you cannot have Charles Martinet make any references to him being Mario lest you bring the Nintendo ninjas down on you, or maybe the man himself has that as a condition whenever he’s cast. Because aside from the Gami Gami Devil in PopoloCrois (who is really more Wario adjacent than Mario, especially with his laugh), none of his roles sound like or allude to Mario. Sabo from PopoloCrois, Parthunax in Skyrim, Gouji in Jet Set/Grind Radio Future (which if you’ve not heard his speech, give it a listen: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXy6aaVvpZWXmNE ), and now Magenta. 41:37 This was a huge part of Goku’s first appearance on Namek. The Ginyus sorely underestimated Goku because he would raise his power for one attack and drop it in an instant, so the whole time they’re looking at Goku using their scouters, Jeice and Burter are baffled, and it takes Ginyu to point this out to Jeice what it was Goku was doing. Vegeta even picks up on that since he had honed his ki sensing abilities after the Earth debacle…and yet Goku somehow forgot all this as well as image training. Also Goku’s not entirely dumb. He’s as naïve and as gullible as a puppy sometimes, evidenced by when he fell for Zamasu’s ploy to intentionally anger him and have him start pummeling Goku Black, giving him that zenkai boost, but he’s not dumb when it comes to understanding how to fight and how to train. He may not always have the tactical sense Vegeta has, but he can pick up on techniques just by watching and experiencing them as we saw with even as far in as Hit, and he can formulate how to counter or take advantage of his enemy’s blind spots which we see numerous times in OG and Z. Yet they keep dumbing him down when it comes to martial arts even though that’s like the one thing he’s good at. 43:30 Right? It’s not something that Master Roshi or King Kai ever really taught him, and he didn’t pick it up during his travels after his first tournament either. That makes sense for him to not know. Closest we get is his training with Kami and Mr. Popo which is how he learns about mediation and image training, but he was taught about unnecessary movements there, not so much moving without thinking. 45:35 Also Vegeta was technically being assisted by Babbidi’s magic so I would argue that much in the same vein that Vegeta’s loss on Earth was not technically Goku’s win since he had outside help from Krillin, Yajirobe, and Gohan, Goku’s loss to Majin Vegeta was not Vegeta’s win. We also know that for both characters they don’t like having outside assistance in their victories, that they’d rather defeat their opponents one on one which is why Fusion comes so hard for them, especially for Vegeta. We saw that when Goku let Vegeta leave Earth initially because Goku wanted to be able to beat Vegeta on his own. We saw how much Goku initially hated SSG because he needed the help of his friends and family to get it, that he couldn’t achieve it on his own and without the ritual. We saw that Vegeta didn’t like that he needed Babbidi’s magic to give him the edge against Goku and that even then it wouldn’t have been enough because Goku was still holding back with SSJ3. 45:55 Goku has effectively won every fight Vegeta was unable to win on his own, all by himself too (discounting everyone lending Goku their energy for the Spirit Bombs he’s hucked). Goku beat the Ginyus. Goku beat Freeza. Goku beat Kid Buu. Goku was able to go more evenly against Berrus. Goku beat Hit even after Hit improved his Time Skip while Vegeta couldn’t even deal with Hit’s normal Time Skip. The opponents that Vegeta beat and Goku couldn’t because of outside circumstances, Vegeta never took pride in that. He didn’t gloat with Android 19’s defeat because Goku was crippled by the Heart Virus. He wasn’t happy with beating Frost because Frost poisoned both Goku and Piccolo and was a cheater. The one time he did beat someone Goku could not defeat while unhindered was Golden Freeza, and Vegeta could not have felt more proud until beating Goku in this movie because that was the only time since first leaving Earth that he had been able to say he beat Goku at his best by proxy of beating someone who beat Goku at his best, and that’s why it pissed him off to no end that Goku stole the kill against Freeza even though Goku had to do that since Vegeta was blinded by that achievement. 47:20 I imagine they don’t power up beyond base form at all. The point was to try to demonstrate to Broly how to fight and have fun without getting enraged, and when does Broly get really enraged? When he goes Super Saiyan. Same as Kale, and they both saw Kale when she went berserk during the ToP. They know it’s going to take Broly some time before he’s able to get to the same level of control over his rage and powers that Kale has over her own. Also if Goku were able to access UI at this point and used that, I imagine that Vegeta would be the one collapsing first. That all said, still kind of weird for Vegeta to feel that good about his win when neither of them were purposely giving their all, but I don’t doubt that there’s still some kind of satisfaction in besting your rival when the playing field is even like that and also they wanted to put on a good show for Broly. 50:05 Basically doing what she wanted to do in Super Broly with wishing herself to be 2 or 5 years younger while also taking Freeza’s idea from Super Broly to have people collect the Dragon Balls on her behalf in secret. 51:35 What we’re really saying is that this is totally Sabat’s movie. Piccolo’s the main character, Vegeta gets a legit win on Goku, and Shenron gets to say “there, your butt’s perky.” 53:01 I guess he saw merit in Goku’s plan to have Gohan fight Perfect Cell? Wasn’t he the most outspoken about that plan though? 54:55 Isn’t it because of Dragon Ball Heroes and Dragon Ball Super Heroes already being things? 57:11 I mean it makes sense since the Gammas were designed in the image and the ideals of Super Heroes not unlike Mr. Satan and Saiyaman. They genuinely believe that they and the Red Ribbon Army are forces of good. 58:11 I wouldn’t have minded if that was the killing blow against Cell MAX honestly even if it was Gohan and Piccolo who did the majority of the work. Would’ve been a good end for Gamma 2 and a payoff for his development. 59:00 Like it’s such a TFS joke but it also makes perfect sense. It’s more for intimidation with a hint of practicality. It’s not a power boost like the Oozaru. However, it’s easier to not get crushed when you’re bigger. 1:06:26 Two things I can see why it wouldn’t be so hot in Japan right now: 1. One Piece Film Red came out recently, and that has been doing some big numbers, and 2. ‘Rona is running more rampant in Japan now for some reason despite still being closed off to all but scheduled tourist groups. 1:05:20 I mean Saiyans are really the only ones who do some growing physically and not just in transformations either. The only non-Saiyans who grew up offscreen after undisclosed amount of time are Chichi (who we don’t see in a very very long time so that’s more believable), Krillin, and maybe Freeza after his introduction as the new ruler of Planet Vegeta. Maybe also Bulma but she hasn’t changed that much from her teen design, less so than Krillin anyhow.

[@motherplayer]

@@Rexaura888 I wonder if they know Martinet has done way more than his Nintendo work in general?

[@Rexaura888]

@@motherplayer I’m sure. It’s just that Mario is THE role that Martinet is known for followed by his other Nintendo roles. In most interviews with him, Martinet introduces himself using those credentials first before Parthunax or the like. It’s like recognizing Kevin Conroy for anything else other than being Batman. He’s done other things sure, but most of the time when you’re bringing up kudos you’re going to use the more notable roles.

[@the-nina-beans88]

And yet where is Bulla?

[@Rexaura888]

@@the-nina-beans88 During the events of the movie? Spending time with her grandpa and grandma maybe? Not terribly important. If you’re asking how she’ll turn out, I think she’ll be fine like Trunks. After all, Bulma (and Vegetab lets her play around with Beerus which seems just as dangerous as Goku chumming it up with Zen-oh and yet everything’s turned out fine after the Broly incident.

[@TomboTime]

Piccolo has always been my favorite character and it always bummed me out how shafted to the side he became. FINALLY, FINALLY Piccolo has his day in the sun after so long and it's one of the better Dragonball movies

[@chinglish4129]

I honestly think the most interesting thing they could do with Gohan is to basically give him Peter Parker's problems. He doesn't like fighting, but he understands that he has to as Goku and Vegeta won't always be around. He wants to be a scholar while also being a good dad to Pan. I think if done right, Gohan trying to balance all these responsibilities could be really interesting for the character as it's relatable. Gohan shouldn't be a character who pursues strength but instead should be someone who is forced into it by the circumstances surrounding him.

[@goimei]

You mean the great saiyaman?

[@chinglish4129]

@goimei Basically but more fleshed out and less played for laughs. I want the character to actually feel like he's struggling instead of having jokes about Videl being on Gohan's ass or a girl seeing Gohan's Teddy bear boxer briefs

[@kildaver]

As long as he doesn't sell his marriage to Dabura to bring Grandpa Gohan back to life or some such nonsense.

[@Reb3l_Peak]

For me, I don’t think it’s that Gohan needs to exclusively train fighting and quit his job, but being as strong as he is, he needs to keep some kind training to protect his loved ones

[@zach7602]

Love how Piccolo is so confident that Gohan is able to take care of things when it was the opposite in the Cell Saga

[@XxXAntiJoshXxX]

Just saw it and it was definitely enjoyable. Weird how they name dropped Cell early on. Also Pan and Piccolo's relationship was the highlight of this film.

[@C0UGARSLAYER69]

I yelled “DODGE!” Right when Piccolo sent Pan flying.

[@RaistlinMajereFistandantilus]

The thing I love about Super Hero is it feels more like an actual movie than any anime movie (that's attached to a series) I've seen before. It doesn't feel like a bunch of episodes of a show strung together, or just fighting. It also has maybe the best fighting animation I've ever seen. By slowing the action down it makes it feel more impactful and powerful.

[@wertyppl]

Piccolo evolved from best dad to best grandpa

[@Jimbobob5536]

He even finally started to ripen, from green to orange.

[@ericramirez2608]

Even after putting Pan in life threatening danger, Piccolo is still best grandpa by default.

[@thewitness257]

@@ericramirez2608 so you definitely DIDNT watch the movie

[@thewitness257]

@@ericramirez2608 pan was in on it the whole time and there was never really any danger to her

[@kaialone]

He's the type where was a kinda bad dad (or uncle - that's what Gohan actually called him), but then ends up being really good with the kid's kid

[@MajinLordVegeta]

45:10 So regarding the whole, Vegeta finally winning thing. You have to consider what he considers winning/losing The Saiyan saga battle was a loss for him. He had to go Great Ape just to win. When his Galick Gun was overpowered, he lost. Goku, that low class scum, was stronger. And for the Majin Vegeta battle, Goku had SSJ3, which Vegeta even confronted Goku about. Vegeta acknowledged that Goku held back and could’ve won the fight. So at least from Vegeta’s POV, he’s never actually won/been stronger than Goku.

[@ed765super]

45:10 for those looking for the section

[@MajinLordVegeta]

@@ed765super sorry, should’ve done that myself

[@seandobbins2231]

The thing with Vegeta is he wants to truly best Goku, not just technically win by any means, and Vegeta never did that before. This is the first time Vegeta could say he proved he was better.

[@dylanrogers8660]

Agree completely.

[@KaitouKaiju]

You're validating what I've been saying for damn near a decade at this point

[@infernoblaze3493]

Piccolo was definitely the best part of the movie. Me and my brother couldn’t stop giggling when Frieza was mentioned and he was just slowly spinning. Also Beerus being a simp for cheelai

[@BotBehavior]

I’m here for a Piccolo Gohan focused series. I didn’t miss goku or vegeta one bit. Didn’t even notice they weren’t there. But I was happy to see Vegeta finally win against Goku.

[@benjaminwebster4482]

The absolute highlight of the movie is when they mention Frieza and he's pulling a "there's no need to be upset" spin

[@TheGodOfWarhammer]

I am SO glad you’re doing this review. I personally LOVE lime and orange piccolo and as a piccolo stan, I am glad to see him in an actual different form

[@knightriderkitt3000]

Would have been nice if he didn't just wish for it basically.

[@andrewboyer7544]

@@knightriderkitt3000 If it makes you feel better, he didn't wish for anything the plot of the show hadn't already given most of the rest of the cast. He wanted his power unlocked. Consider that Piccolo has been in base form since the start without any form changes or potential unlocks. He merged with Nail and rejoined himself with Kami but that's as far as it went. He's trained just as hard as Goku or Vegeta with no super power up payoff. The saiyans get magical power ups left and right and he got nothing. The only problem I have with it is that it took this long. But its no less silly or contrived than Goku getting god powers, SS, Zenkai boosts or any of the other wacky stuff.

[@ThePhantomTomo]

I was so happy that Piccolo was basically the main character of this movie.

[@BlueDavrial]

It's about dang time the green man got his own transformation

[@ibwilin8995]

@@andrewboyer7544 if your telling me his wish will allow him to increase his power level and not cap it off then I can accept the way he wished for it. But if that new transformation is the limit of his power, as a lifelong Piccolo fan, it was a disappointing showcase of a power up to a very impactful character in the series.

[@honestysrevival1]

You guys did write the line about Piccolo forgetting he could grow. When I first heard that line, I IMMEDIATELY thought of the line in the redone Abridged Lord Slug where you wrote "Got... to reach... Goku... have... to give him... my energy... probably should have... stretched... my arms"

[@Kasaaz]

The way Piccolo holds a cell phone will never not be funny to me. It's perfect.

[@chancewrightva]

This felt like such a big love letter to Dragon Ball fans, but what I loved most about it, is it finally gave my favorite Character Piccolo his time to shine after so long!

[@bluebear5646]

Piccolo is the Star of this movie! 🍿🌠👽😍

[@mathew_monkbot1018]

Fwiw the family tree at the beginning established that Gero and 21 had two kids. 16 was the older one and followed his dad into the red ribbon army whereas the younger son left that life, got married, had a son named Hedo, then he and his wife died.

[@BizarreGentleman]

I want a movie with Buu, Krillin, 18 and 17 as the main cast. You could also throw Tien, Chaotzu, Yamcha, Marron, Mr. Satan in there and maybe introduce 17's family. Some ideas that might be bad or good: 1. Power Up for Krillin. 2. Turn Fit Buu into a transformation for Buu. 3. 18 + 17 Fusion 4. Mr. Satan learns Ki P.S.: I think a movie about the four of those could be really fun. Edit: With Fit Buu I mean the muscular form he had for just one episode in Super. He lost it by eating and fell asleep which ment he couldn't fight in the T.O.P.

[@KudoTsurugi]

Having recently seen the film, I can confirm the whole Goku v Vegeta fight was base form. Whis even says “no Ki blasts, no Super Saiyan or Kamehameha”.

[@musicfighter282]

In the sub, Toshio Furukawa kills it as Piccolo of course, but MVP has to be Yuko Minaguchi as Pan. She’s incredible, I’ve never loved that character as much as I do in this movie.

[@uknownada]

I don't know how you make a Gohan movie called Super Hero where he fights superhero-like characters and not make ONE reference to Great Saiyaman, but they did it.

[@atomic747]

I was waiting for that also.

[@jensennguyen02]

I think in the background, one of the gamma does a great saiyaman pose specifically where saiyaman does a split and puts his hand on the ground

[@rafaelzavros4391]

My favorite aspect about this movie is where it gave Piccolo a much needed focus. You see him taking initiative in every scene he's in. I don't know whether to have my hopes up in believing he'll play a more central role in future arcs

[@blt1096]

When Piccolo got angry at Gohan for not being able to pick up Pan, a part of me just loves to believe that Piccolo just wanted to say "You're literally doing what your dad did when you were young!" and I love it. Also idk if I remember it wrong but if I remember correctly Piccolo gave Gohan the weighted clothing using a clothes beam which really puts into perspective the amazing attention to detail in this movie.

[@lainhikaru5657]

I noticed that and I believe thats Gohan earned some of Goku irresponsible behaviour just in a different area.

[@matthewhughes7735]

I was also eh on Cell Max, but I have to say it raised the interesting point of you could technically make more cell's since he is an artificial being which is an interesting concept.

[@SuperMandibleclaw]

I honestly wanted a perfect cell max

[@user-fy1nq3nf1q]

@@SuperMandibleclaw why?

[@jess_please]

I loved watching him firing his lazar

[@MrJokerSenpai]

@@SuperMandibleclaw Perfect Cell max never existed, he was built to look like the old cells 2nd form, because Toriyama likes 2nd form cell better, but he was never going to look like perfect cell, i honestly like Cell Max's design better as it is, because it looks more like a monster, and fits its giant size far better.

[@BritBox777]

Surprised there's little mention that Cell Max is a robot, not an organic machine. Original Cell's body was all muscle and juice, no wires and gears, but we clearly see the inside of Cell max is machine parts. Also he can't regenerate. Just some interesting bits.

[@TehJellyLord]

Honestly my favorite DB film now. Surprisingly fell in love with the 3D style. This is the most active official DB animation. Characters are always moving even when they aren’t the focus, and everything is just so dynamic. And the utilization of the cast is so good. Pan is a precious perfect child and I would die for her even tho she would easily be able to defend herself lol.

[@dre5114]

i think one of the minor things i enjoyed from the movie was actually seeing how cells wings work sense originally i though it was for helping with flying, and at first he just flys like any other character, but when being held down he can flap his wings like a bug and use them for flight, which i find to be clever and cool as heck to finally get that answer

[@m0002856]

Okay talking about the new Gohan form: That and Cell MAX were both probably my biggest headaches in the film. They 100% wanted to pander to the nostalgia of Gohan going Super Saiyan 2 against Cell for the first time again, and the nostalgia baiting is exactly why Gohan's new form looks so stupid. As you mentioned, the establishing shots of the form don't look so bad. They essentially made it a 1 for 1 recreation of his silhouette during his time as SSJ2 against Cell. The problem with that is the fact that he was about 60% of his current height when the Cell fight took place... In order to make the 1 for 1 recreation of that look, they had to MASSIVELY SCALE UP HIS DAMN HAIR. I think they could have taken a route that was trying to pander to the Cell Saga Gohan fans just a tad less in order to make that design not look as strange as it does up close.

[@dirt007]

I'm honestly not hurt by Gohan's hair. Not because I think it's anything less than ridiculous but because the joke about it when we finally get this movie in abridged form around 2057 is going to be absolutely golden.

[@rezonance4937]

Yeah he has a little too much hair, but not the worst look

[@matthiasmccormack3213]

I WISH we had gotten the father son special beam cannon with giant Piccolo behind him

[@CBreezie]

The fact that Gohan even did the special beam cannon to begin with was enough of a POG moment for me. I haven't loved Gohan this much since I first seen him Use Masenko and SS2 Gohan.

[@ibwilin8995]

@@CBreezie that SBC Gohan hit went craaaazy

[@kusakabe3264]

piccolo's role is to cover for gohan

[@derekskelton4187]

They do actually show the buff soldier guy alive after Gohan destroys the plane. Piccolo saved him for some reason. I think he was out cold though, so probably died when Cell exploded

[@KeonVioletWilkins]

Honestly a lot of the Gohan and Piccolo interactions are so warm you would think the abridged scene where Piccolo asked Gohan how his college application in the Broly Abridged movie was canon.

[@dangerrose9955]

What I loved the most was that during the whole movie I kept seeing the grounds for several TFS running gags! You guys live in my head rent free and I love you for it!

[@Omnipotentmonkey]

it's quite interesting because this is the first time I've really seen anime REALLY use pure 3D well, and not just in a 'it looks good' way, but a 'they're taking advantage of the unique strengths that 3D animation can offer relative to 2D.' Anime's had a REALLY hard time getting over the 3D hump, because even as far back as 2006 we had Western animated shows, even ones on mediocre budgets that made better use of 3D as a medium, while I wouldn't heartily recommend it as a series, the writing is corny and characters a bit grating, Galactik Football, a french cartoon from 2006 has some STUNNINGLY good 3D cinematography and amazingly weighty, solid animation in its football sequences, so while I was loathe to see DBZ make the switch to 3D, it is well worth it because I feel it's a big part in getting over that long-standing hump, these fight sequences arent' choreographed or shot like they're in 2D but rendered in 3D as a dodge, they were planned, directed and animated to take full advantage of the medium.

[@glass12]

Yes, these guys finally cracked how to use 3D in anime. Makes me happy because the technique can only improve from here on out.

[@Rexaura888]

If they can strike a balance between this 3D and Lupin III The First’s, I think that would be the best for productivity and visuals, because while the latter looks gorgeous, it must take a really long time to make by comparison to Super Hero’s, and we know that Super Hero’s 3D has room for improvement too.

[@yoursonisold8743]

This may be a stretch, but I wonder if Arcsys games' use of 3D models to imitate 2D is what got them on the road. Kakarot is another example of trying to make it work, but it feels like it doesn't live up to what Dragonball FighterZ could do.

[@GentlemanWorlock1]

Saw it last night in Mexico. The reaction was amazing throughout the theater. People laughing at the smallest of Easter eggs which made me smile knowing they appreciated every aspect of the film.

[@Femboy_Mommy]

I do love the fight between Goku and Vegeta because I remember Whis saying specifically no beams, no transformations. It was just pure punching and Vegeta came out on top which is amazing

[@allenjenkins06]

I feel like Gohan's identity as a fighter is most analogous to BJ Penn: a natural prodigy who accomplished some extraordinary things in his youth, peaked early, and who the lore/scouting report touts as able to fight or beat anyone when properly motivated. However, even when he harnesses the mythical power of motivation, it's for one fight at most before returning to the somewhat disappointing status quo.

[@user-il4yu7tw9g]

If Gohan falls off DRAMATICALLY then he might be more likely Tony Ferguson tbh

[@WierdEnuf4Ya]

After watching this movie, I really wish Toei was open to the idea of having animated shorts with the side characters. Kind of like how you guys do with Dragon Shorts and Cell In Hell. They don't need to have action, just let it be a fun little thing to flesh out the characters that don't get to do much.

[@TheHayfork]

Saw the dubbed version, so I don't know if it happened in the sub, but they specifically stated they saw the dub so my question still stands... HOW DID THEY MISS PICOLO'S LINE ABOUT GOHAN'S EYESIGHT WHEN HE GOES SUPER SAIYAN??!!

[@0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0]

It's in the original too.

[@BullseyeRey]

It was in the Spanish dub too.

[@BotBehavior]

3 seconds into the animation and vast camera sweeps I was instantly hooked. It makes the world of DragonBall seem that much more real.

[@SonicKing84]

Saw it this past monday. SO FREAKING FANTASTIC! Loved the focus on Piccolo and Pan was truly the most adorable little thing!