Review: Final Fight 2: A Worthy Sequel? Or Just Blah?

[@orlanzo2621]

Final Fight 2 was already outdated when it came out. It was basically the same as the original Final Fight mechanics-wise and didn’t do anything new or different. SOR2 came out a full year earlier and had more moves, more characters, way better music, etc.

[@MegaRayland]

FF2 is the misunderstood sequel. It is exactly like FF1, for better or worse, because Capcom’s goal was to create what they didn’t do with FF1 on SNES: a two player beat-em-up in that universe. And they did. And it was two players co-op. And it played just like FF1 did. And at the time it’s what players wanted. Besides, it gave us a character that has prevailed to this day (Maki) which is actually pretty good. The thing is that the game “seems generic” because the tropes for these types of games back then was pretty basic and generic. This game was merely trying to fill the void of a proper Final Fight on the platform. Final Fight 3 may have been more experimental, trying to blend Street Fighter and Final Fight, but it had its share of problems as well (boring environments, dragging the action out, etc). Some were genre related and others version specific but sharing a lot with FF2. So the comparisons have to be made in the context of the genre and time. Complaining about a basic, ridiculous story is silly when FF1 had a basic, ridiculous story as well. Most brawlers did. FF2 was a good game. It was merely the Final Fight game we never got at the SNES launch and that was fine. At the time it was just a joy to be able to play arcade quality games at home.

[@Black-Rat]

Yeah, try to take a former wrestler, two of his buddies with no weapons what so ever, joined with a female cop whose set of uniform is really questionable, mess with the organised crime, like the Mafia and normally you'd eat a bullet, but it's even worst in Lucia's case, she might be a cop, but she'd obviously get raped before eating a bullet like the others...

[@HabanyGaming]

Love the video. Jeremy, I don’t know how you ever have time to make them between the podcast, and well, presumably real life, but they are always appreciated.

[@omgjeremyexe]

I swear I'll get around to being more consistent with these someday

[@HabanyGaming]

@@omgjeremyexe honestly, once you guys upped to 4 (now 5) podcasts a month, I figured there was no way you would ever have time to do even more. These could come out semi-annually and I’d still be impressed.

[@CarecaRetrogamer]

I remember playing this as a teen, and getting a bit disappointed as well... We all wanted to play as Guy this time around, since he wasn't in the SNES version, at least not until Final Fight Guy, but unless u were a really HUGE fan of the character, WHO would buy the same arguably bad port just because of Guy and some MINOR changes? I say, if the story was just a TAD better, MAYBE it would have helped the game as a whole too. How? Here's how: Cut that "vacation" bullshit and replace that "nobody" Carlos for Guy! It would be SIMPLE to cut him off, change his sprites for Guy's, and in the end, instead of coming BACK from those vacations, Guy would go OFF to them to improve his skills even further, which would have made more sense when FF3 came out... I'd even make a hack rom like that if I had the skills...

[@pabloarce8536]

Exactly

[@e.signal1764]

I've been begging for someone to make a mod for Final Fight 2 that lowers the enemies hp a little, they just have too much hp and it slows the game's pacing down a lot

[@ravager48]

31 years later, and I still can't stand the SNES version of Final Fight 1. What a disappointment. Capcom should be embarrassed for releasing it at that state, especially after Konami released TMNT 4 with all four turtles and two player simultaneous play.

[@loco_Fox]

I love the final fight series , I prefer final fight guy Sega CD , it was also cool how street fighters chun-li was just causally eating in the background in the first level .

[@PsychomachineryEBM]

Guile also made a cameo at stage 2

[@andersdenkend]

Somehow I enjoyed most of the beat'em ups back in the day. Especially if you could play with two players. Great video, please more.

[@omgjeremyexe]

It's scientifically proven that coop makes any game better

[@cherokeefit4248]

Not the new Friday the 13th. Cheap rage quitters ruined that game.

[@goemon74]

And remember mountains on the Holland stage 😂 never seen em here

[@stofopdenaald132]

I assume they confused Romania or a similar country with Holland, I live in the Netherlands and I have yet to see a mountain here 😅

[@RetroRulzMyTown]

3:28 Yeah, Street Fighter 6 would like to have a word with you.

[@vallaurianv6024]

Good to see you back on KZbin. What made you go with FF2 for the return?

[@omgjeremyexe]

It's been half finished for like 4 months so I figured I should deal with it first.

[@thedrunkmonkshow]

Everything you said was spot on. I can remember certain magazines like Nintendo Power and what not were hyping this game up at the time about the 2-player co-op. It's a overall decent game and has really nice graphics but the issue with the Final Fight series even though I love Final Fight 1 is that they start off perfect for the first few levels where you get a rush of excitement but then they seem to run out of gas and ideas where they redundantly drag on in later levels near the end and make the hazards 'n bosses extra cheap with the hit confirms/life damage. Final Fight 3 was slightly better but even with that I felt like, "Am I playing Street Fighter 2 or a Beat 'Em Up," controls wise? Streets Of Rage 3 dabbled in that stuff control wise too and that's what took away from an otherwise fantastic game with doing the power moves. It's always the teeter/totter thing with developing beat 'em ups lol. Lately the last one to nail it perfectly is Streets Of Rage 4 decades later. 😇

[@snoozy04]

Just tried the game, you weren't kidding about the boss fights, insane 75% damage, what a joke!

[@JustAskingQuestions8571]

Yea biggest issue with this game is too much enemy health in the later levels especially. I absolutely adore beat em up games, so it takes a lot for me to get bored of them, but this game bored me to tears with how much you had to keep smacking the same enemies over, and over, and over... and over and over again. Could they have at least made the enemies' skins match the countries they were in? I don't like criticizing, and nothing can take away how legendary the Capcom team was during this time, but this game was very below their standards, and I'm guessing they probably knew it too. Final fight 1 had much better pacing, and that alone makes it better even without co-op, guy, or the industrial zone, in my opinion at least.

[@jordans4827]

Awesome you are back! Long time subscriber. Had to switch my name due to a lost password. Anyway, great job! Please do FF3, to finish out the series! That would be rockin'. Used to enjoy your podcast, too. How are the other 2 guys doing?

[@bryanedds8922]

At least we won't have to live in a Carlos-less world.

[@roguerifter9724]

I love this game. Sure 3 is better but at least this included the features that were removed from the SNES version of the original. I remember playing this a lot with friends and family. Carlos was actually my second most played character I think. I remember usually taking him if if I lost the pick your character first coin flip and whoever I was playing with chose Maki.

[@raymondbd21]

0:07 on the cover art there is a guy in the sewer who is also on the cover art of Streets of Rage.

[@otakon17]

I wonder if anyone has ever done a mash-up of Streets of Rage and Final Fight before in some kind of epic ROM hack...

[@gaylordfocker7990]

There's a romhack for Streets of Rage 2. There's a bunch for that game.

[@egymario]

I miss ya dude! Great vid, i wish you were able to upload videos more often, i guess you been bussy

[@DenOndeBoss]

Final Fight 3 is so much better than this!

[@dianak5519]

Even Brawl Brothers was a lot better than this!

[@sliderkb2]

Good to have you back! Love the channel

[@omgjeremyexe]

Thanks! Trying to find the time to do more of these when I can

[@JuicyPlayer]

I agree with everything you said except the music. Final Fight 1 on SNES has way better music.

[@snoozy04]

If you think this is hard play the new Final Vendetta.

[@rlolalleskapot]

0:25 não acho que tenha sido por isso que não lançaram nos arcades, acontece que já tinham feito cadillacs and dinosaurs e punisher no mesmo ano, ou seja, já tinham 2 beat em ups lançados, um terceiro talvez não fosse economicamente viável pra eles.

[@Monhamd1000]

To answer your question: It's somewhere in between.

[@PsychomachineryEBM]

It was actually real good, way better than the disappointing FF 1 port. And Carlos was good, so enough of that bs.

[@jreschke5]

My buddy and I had a good time beating this one. Not so fun on one player

[@AB-wi2mh]

Love your podcast guys

[@INFPGamer]

Elick is annoying indeed. I wonder if the train thing is supposed to be like the truck stage in Super double dragon? I also prefer FF1 and 3's OST to this one. I'll have to give the arcade vs SNES FF1 a comparison listen now

[@omgjeremyexe]

The SNES version sounds pretty bad compared to the arcade.

[@justinrzegocki1858]

I hate whining younger people who complain about any game that doesn't have instant regenerating health or unlimited continues. I beat this game on it's hardest difficulty to see the whole ending. And no I didn't use an emulator with save states.

[@demonology2629]

Final Fight 2 is better then what you say. It was the first game in the final fight series for SNES do you have two co-op players at the same time. Androe makes a return and he looks just as cool as ever! Although It could have had a little bit better music it was mediocre dance music I'd thought. Mike Haggar makes the game fun no matter what system he is on. The graphics are killing Streets of Rage 2 And the gameplay can't get any better then final fight arcade it's kind of like the same. Final Fight 2 is what the SNES needed at the time of 1993 I turned 15 years old at that time. If any younger than me, by 5 years could never really appreciate a true retro cartridge classic like me. Because you more likely be burnt out and still stoked on the 3D Graphics of nowadays. I give Final Fight 2 ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ stars out of 10. Now grasshopper go ahead and keep complaining about this game you'r now excused. 🙏🏻☯️🧘‍♂️ 🎛🔉🎵🎮🤩📺🎮🤯🎧🎚🔊🎶

[@orlanzo2621]

The graphics are literally the only thing FF2 had over SOR2, and even then it wasn’t by much. SOR2 was far and away the better game between the two.

[@waynecuff3140]

Brilliant game on the 16bit beauty. Oh and i love the Megadrive, Neo, PC Engine as well before i get the hate.

[@pabloarce8536]

Good joke

[@pabloarce8536]

@@orlanzo2621 Exactly

[@demonology2629]

@@pabloarce8536 you want a good joke? I'll give it to you right now pal!!! 🎛🔉🎵🎮🤩📺🎮🤯🎧🎚🔊🎶 PIT FIGHTER SNES

[@fakeshemp9599]

Hey you're back with a review! I like your content 👍

[@Black-Rat]

Final Fight 2 wasn't such a bid deal, it was more like an improved version of the original, correcting the mistakes they made on the original, some of them at the very least, only, it wasn't as hard to beat as the original was, in the meantime, Final Fight 3 was on it's way, FF3 was well worth it....

[@cherokeefit4248]

I got this game as I enjoyed it as a youth but it gets old fast and boring unless it’s 2 player with lots of joints. I played it once since I bought it last year and I’m not planning on playing it but I do like seeing it in the collection with part 1. Part 3 looks lame and off

[@Conquerer13]

Idk how one could possibly think FF2's OST is better than FF1, even on SNES. FF1 had a few really good tracks including the main theme. The bay area theme was quite good as well. FF2's OST is literally clown farts like RE1 DC's basement theme, except that's the whole game. Decent game but my god what an awful soundtrack.

[@MrSvyllo]

Great review 👍

[@Flpstrike]

Oh Broooother, this game stinks!... I hated fighting the same enemys over and over while most have high hp!

[@VenusHeadTrap2]

I don’t find any of the final fights very fun. I’m a Sega guy

[@omgjeremyexe]

I unfortunately didn't have a Genesis until way later but yeah you weren't missing out on much

[@ravager48]

@DOOM Final Fight Guy shouldn't have been a thing...I mean, why pay for the same game with the same issues and you're still missing one character (Cody)? Final Fight CD was a much, much better port. The redbook audio arranged music was fantastic!

[@carlosrodriguez-di3bs]

One of our neighbors had a Sega Genesis back in the day. My family was a Nintendo fam. We had the NES and then the SNES so I didn't get to play the Streets of Rage series that much but the first Final Fight in the Arcades was my favorite. Final Fight 2 is not the best in the series but still fun to play. I thought it was neat that Maki appeared in both the psp port of Street Fighter Alpha 3 and Capcom vs SNK 2.

[@AngryCalvin]

Streets of Rage is a ton better series. I have all the Streets of Rage games and the Final Fight trilogy. Even Streets of Rage 3 is better than any of Final Fight games.

[@carlosrodriguez-di3bs]

@@AngryCalvin it's my childhood memories of playing the first Final Fight in the arcades with my siblings that makes me enjoy Final Fight series more and yes I know I may be blinded by Nostalgia. I have a Final Fight arcade cabinet! Ninja Turtles Turtles in Time was my favorite playing in the Arcades!