Review: Harley Davidson Pan America

My impression after only one ride on the Pan America... this is not a full review just the stuff that jumped out at me.

[@BretTkacs]

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[@dexxeve9420]

I love how Bret pops into the scene in each cut

[@MasterNick7412]

THIS IS A REVIEW. not just going over the spec sheet and marketing script from the ad campaign team. going over every little detail that we cant see without looking at it in person

[@BretTkacs]

I'm not much of one that likes spec-sheet reviews 😉

[@klj2382]

gaybar fight, lol. Calm down boys.

[@cfreeway8385]

I’ve owned one since May, and in my 3500mi (1200 off road) experience has been nothing short of amazing. Having owned both KTM and BMW. I’m 5’10” 30 inch inseam and did not get the adaptive ride height with intention as I didn’t want to add version 1.0 of this new technology leaving all the risk of breakdown to the new motor. I’ve added the Low Boy seat, regulator protective skid plate, radiator guard, luggage, etc. I fine turned the clutch to my liking and did change the tires to improve off-road experience. I love the deliberate performance elements, low center of gravity, especially when I turned off the ABS off-road. In short, I encourage those interested to test drive, once the fine tuned adjustments to my riding style were made, it’s the best handling ADV bike I’ve owned and did I mention, that 1250 motor - when it wakes up at 3700 - 4K rpm, it’s like I am shot outa a cannon.

[@elvulch]

Best handling? How so? I’ve ridden both the HD and KTM 1290. The HD didn’t even come close to the KTM.

[@mikemerrill175]

Thank you. I want one.

[@edroberts7344]

I also own a Pan America and over 5k miles. Lots of forest service roads and fire roads. Really enjoying the bike and I have also had the GSA and KTM 1290. I have the radiator guard, headlight guard and heavy duty skid plate with luggage. I have laid it down in the sand. Bike held up great. No adaptive ride height. I’m 6’5” and have the tall boy seat. For me the perfect bike. I also live in Phoenix and rode this bike through 115 degrees during the summer with no issues.

[@elvulch]

If you think the Pan America is the best handling ADV bike you’ve ever owned, you must reach the limit of your riding skills well before coming close to the limits of an adventure bike.

[@cfreeway8385]

@@elvulch troll

[@Tetsaraku]

Still waiting for Ryan F9 to give the final verdict. I'm guessing Harley is not keen on giving him a test bike.

[@aaronkratzmann9703]

Hahahaha. Why would that be I wonder? I have never hear done single "negative" thing Bret mentioned on about 50 other videos I have watched on this bike.

[@RedEmpire36]

I wouldn't be surprised if they did actually. One of Ryan F9s personal bikes is a Dyna.

[@81722Les]

Nobody gives Ryan a test bike, he did cover that in an old review he did. BMW hates him the most after he trashed the GS 1250....

[@killdozer3464]

Ryan won't get a test bike from Big Manufacturers. Just like Bret here, he is honest and shares what he really thinks, instead of just repeating what he is being fed from the press release. Also, Ryan really loves adventure riding / off road. You cant give him an "adventure Bike" demo, and then tell him to stick to the highways. It just aint gonna happen.

[@williamrae9954]

Not after the "Fatboy" comment,ha ha

[@daleaxline6540]

I own a pan am. I love the bike and Bret is spot on with his review

[@davypig571]

Good to hear from an owner. I still want one and don't know why I didn't get one this year 🤔

[@davypig571]

@Nombre Apellido I think most Harleys have them low behind the front tire where it's subject to everything the tire throws at it but it doesn't seem to be a problem. I think it is there for cooling purposes.

[@highwayman1218]

@@davypig571 Yep. Both of my HDs have em there. Been in the rain and wet plenty of times. Myself and no one else I know has had an issue. Its a non issue.

[@rgh622]

@@highwayman1218 here we are 3 years into the HD Pan America and I keep hearing the same thing about the radiator and regulator being in a bad place. Yet, no one has had an issue with their bike when it comes to the placement of these two items. Still a non-issue!

[@highwayman1218]

@@rgh622 Still really dig em.... Despite the chain drive being the fly in the ointment, I'm starting to get serious about selling my Super Tenere and replacing it with a black on black PA with spokes.

[@Porsche996driver]

Thanks Todd! 🤠 Bret you’re the first review of course to highlight these “different” design items. That kickstand mounted to the engine block - wtf lol. The radiator and the skid plate blocking airflow etc. These are all items the GS, KTM etc have already figured out, battle-tested. The HD is an admirable out of nowhere first step in adv. I’m sure they have a slice of riders like Todd, but not clear how many.

[@BretTkacs]

If anyone is looking for a spec-sheet review you won't find me doing one.

[@gustavmeyrink_2.0]

With regards to your moniker here Dave to a German it evokes a mental picture of a guy sitting on the roof of his BMW car. To get the impression of a guy riding a BMW bike it would have to be '...auf der BMW'. I know German grammar is a bitch with it's 3 genders and 4 cases which determine if 'the' is translated as die, der, das, dem, den etc.

[@dimosk7389]

actually, the 1290 has the kickstand mounted on the engine too. i never sit on my bike when it is rested on the kickstand, and always set it on the center stand when i load it in a ship, so the tension from the tie down straps do not transfer on the engine case. ive never heard anyone having an issue with a cracked engine case, but its still a concerning issue for me

[@BartoszBanachewicz]

The side stand relocating bracket has been a standard upgrade item for KTM 9x0 series. Maybe something like that is possible here too.

[@BretTkacs]

@@BartoszBanachewicz I hope so

[@dratkcufaeruoy]

Love the “no ego” videos and honest reviews. You’re doing it the right way, bro. It’s about the riders learning, not some instructor beating their chest about how great they are. Best on KZbin. We’ll done!

[@BretTkacs]

Wow ... Thanks

[@matthewbutler3513]

Loved the review. Great job on pointing out all the important details. Fantastic vid!

[@tommykawasaki9676]

I’m truly pleased HD introduced an adventure bike. I hope it helps maintain their business. It is very distinctive, nice looking, feature rich & appears to be very thoughtfully built. Hopefully it also has exceptional durability & longevity. Nice work HD !!

[@BlackThor15]

Finally, when a review is a review!! And that's only with 1x ride only, can't wait for the off road one! Thank you Bret!! 👍👍

[@moconnor50]

Well there it is! Thank you Bret for your review. I recently purchased a 1250GS and absolutely love it. I watch your videos regularly to help me improve and develop as a rider. Keep up the good work!

[@rodintoulouse3054]

Love your reviews Brett. You always find things nobody else sees.

[@BretTkacs]

That may be a benefit of me not having time to watch other reviews 😜

[@timarndt9328]

I have the PA-Special, about to turn 5k on the odometer... I already "broke" the passenger grab rail. I was in Sturgis and HD had a PA owners ride. Was able to spend a morning talking to their engineers, designers, marketing guys and Jochem Zeitz (president). I asked about rectifier location, they said in 3 years of testing it has never been an issue. Also, the f & r brakes are linked above 25mph, below that they are independent. Yes the rear feel is non existent. I am still loving her and have a perma-grin after each ride. Nice video

[@kingkrimson8771]

Harley also claimed that a million miles of testing on the M8 engine never revealed a sumping problem but we all know how that turned out....

[@MrSuryapratim]

you're awesome! I don't know why I didn't find your channel sooner ... but I love the level of detail that you've managed to squeeze into this video! And thank you for not having a 10 second intro that I'm forced to sit through!

[@BretTkacs]

Welcome to the channel. Some of my videos have an intro but it is always related to the topic. I hate when people spend half the video telling me what they are going to tell me. I already clicked on the title... I know the subject.

[@StephenTillman]

@@BretTkacs Yes. You're so direct and to the point. I love how much detail you packed into such a short video. It's the first of your reviews that I've seen and I'm itching for more.

[@benlorenzo1966]

Thank you for that, I really appreciate your point of view given the other ADV bikes you've ridden.

[@rogerw3818]

"Adventure" bikes are the perfect street bike for me. The Super Tenere is the best of that group, so that's the way I went. Comfortable, roomy, powerful, proven reliability, shaft drive, center stand, and flagship level quality. With the addition of a Sergeant seat and Givi trunk, it is the most perfect motorcycle I have ever owned. 40K miles on it since I bought it new in October of 2017.

[@mikec1254]

looked like a fair and honest review. to many reviewers are biased toward what they ride. Great job on the review.

[@BretTkacs]

I try to be fair... It's not about what I like or don't like.

[@freebehindbars8654]

Biased by what name is on the check. Like Chase and those overpriced helmets.

[@josmith4531]

And that is why I am interested in Bret's views.

[@advgirl]

Spot on. That radiator design shut me right down when it got clogged with mud. Definitely needs a front fender extension at a minimum.

[@aaronkratzmann9703]

This way they can sell you one! Harley wouldn't miss an opportunity to sell upgrades. They are basically the Apple of the motorcycle world.

[@fvgc454ss]

I call bs

[@kWebster907]

@@fvgc454ss how so? You want to see photos of the radiator(s)? I was with another person also on a Pan America, and we both had problems due to clogged radiator.

[@nomadpi1]

Thk u for a brief, pertinent pointed explanation. This 79 yr old, thru the decades, off-&-on rider learned somethings.

[@TheGuilleJunco]

Great review, Brett. I tested one at my local HD dealer and had pretty much the same impressions you did with few differences. To me, the brakes were excellent. I like the progressiveness you can apply and, when needed, they bite like hungry crocs. I've heard about the engine being smooth from many other reviews and I have to say I didn't find that 100% true. The idle reminded me of a Yamaha Tenere 660, which is exactly like a tractor... It is true that once you're on the move, the engine is really sweet. The heat you mention though is way too much for my taste. I did a bit of traffic too and it was roasting. One thing you don't mention is regarding the electronics. I found traction control to intervene pretty late. While pushing it around corners, the back goes off if you're throttle happy and you'll have to correct it yourself if you don't want to go down. I come from a 2014 R1200 GS and must say I'd never change it for the Pan America despite the fact that I found it a really nice bike, specially for a first attempt.

[@RenegateYT]

I rode my PA through 105 degree inland empire temperatures. Honestly I cannot say I felt any major discomfort on the left side due to heat. If anything I felt that my right leg was getting toasty. Interestingly enough, I notice that while the bike Bret reviewed had the muffler guard installed it didn't have the radiator guard. Bret also didn't mention how an optional rad guard would protect the coolant system. It's also worth noting that the stock skid plate doesn't do much to protect the voltage regulator at all and so the optional plate, the one seen on the video, is almost an armor-like upgrade. One other point I feel that should be made is how hard it is to catch the side stand with your foot when setting the stand down. After 4 months riding I still have to look down almost every time first to find the stand.

[@timlindgren8264]

Honest first impression, thanks Bret & Todd. 👍 😎

[@CsabaV]

Thanks Bret for the honest review. I have never ridden a Harley before (I'm not that type of motorcyclist) but the Pan America catched my eyes. So I have booked a 30 minute test ride and many thing you just said here were my concerns as well. I found it way too pricey for the package they offer. The most annoying things I found: Vibration, effort to get the bike turning, intense amount of heat, very short front fender (for an adv?!?!). Keep up the good work!

[@govtfunded]

Real review from a real rider. Thank you!

[@TheEasyrider1200]

I did a test ride last weekend at Wailin Wayne Weekend. I noticed the clutch seemed a bit off, too. Took me a while to realize the center stand wasn't the kick stand, LOL! Overall, a nice bike. If I owned one, it would be a touring bike I can feel comfortable riding down a dirt road with. I'll stick with my Africa Twin for the serious stuff.

[@richardsprings1414]

I'll keep my Africa twin Hardy's overrated

[@aaronkratzmann9703]

I reckon what you've stated there is their exact market. While it would be nice to be a totally sorted off road monster like KTM and BMW, in reality how many people with that sort of money want to ride big heavy bikes in the real rough stuff?

[@mikemerrill175]

My 450 KTM EXC would smoke em all once you hit the dirt.

[@JumpingWatermelons]

@@mikemerrill175 Sure would hope a 250 lb enduro bike could outperform heavy ADVs.

[@aaronkratzmann9703]

@@mikemerrill175 And a 600 super sport would beat it on the track. But thatøs not a relevant comparison either!

[@yancywest]

I own one and can tell you then crash bars are very capable. Lol. Also spot on concerning the stock grab rail on the rear. I pulled the fastener out of the plastic picking the bike up after confirming the strength of the crash bars. All in all great bike. Great review.

[@michaelahr1]

Looks like just a ADV styled touring bike to me. Great video, thank you for all that you do!

[@retiredjetmechanic6219]

Thank you! This is the best review of the Bike I’ve seen to date! I’m looking forward to riding one at some point.

[@Racer57]

One of the best motorcycle channels out there. Love the content.

[@kennethcooley3445]

I rode for 90 minutes and 30 plus miles and felt that HD did a great job. I won't be buying one but that's OK. I'd have no issue owning one

[@sean8470]

seems still a bit underpowered compared to the triumph tiger and/or bmw GS1200

[@1001CP]

Man, when someone says "Waddaya think?" about a bike you give a GREAT review! I love that you give the goods/bads and shouldas WHILE being at ground level a lot of the time! Not busting on you because you give a review the way a good friend would IMHO and NOT the way the manufacturer would prefer. It looks like Harley has joined in the ADV family and I say welcome aboard. There are too many ADV bikes out there to be a snob (but there are some!) and this one is welcome in our group any time. Any bike is only as good as its rider, mostly! As always my friend, keep rolling and be safe in your travels.

[@BretTkacs]

I agree... Welcome to the party HD 🥳

[@venkatesh-iyer]

Finally an honest review with stuff that most reviewers don't talk about. Love your content.

[@MCCJustMotos]

Pretty interesting and I agree on most of what you said but, after owning for a little bit on some things I disagree. Mostly on the easy natural sporty nature. It’s really really really good! It feels really natural. Not like I have to try to do it.. But, it took a bit to feel it. This bike has a LOT of feel! Surprising and delightful!

[@BretTkacs]

That's why this is an impression and not a review 😁👍

[@mohamedabdalnaem9776]

Damn!! First time to watch you and wish I found you earlier. Such a detailed analysis, Literally every other review is a time waste compared to this. Thanks for your extreme honesty and great job!

[@BretTkacs]

I avoid a spec sheet review and never watch other reviews. I am glad you enjoyed this 🤠

[@kennethwalton5582]

Fantastic review, you definitely brought up some different thoughts than other reviewer that I’ve seen on this motorcycle. Thanks

[@elithegreat6463]

This is a winner for H-D , but with a new platform and engine, it's good to wait IMO, until any Gremlins, issues or re-designs, and updates weed themselves out. In the meantime, my 2021 BMW R1250-GS will do me just Fine.

[@motarded4214]

You touched on a lot of things that I didn't notice when I test rode one. My conclusion has been that the Pan America is an excellent first attempt at an ADV bike. I think it will suit a lot of "adventure" riders who never leave pavement, and would work well enough for fire roads and such. I don't think I'd try to do any world touring on it just yet. Hopefully their 2nd iteration will be even better. I hope its a winner for them, I'd like to see the company improve and their customer base evolve.

[@Ritalie]

Why wouldn't you do touring on it? That's a huge statement. The only problem I see with all new bikes right now, is the wrong gear ratios. All modern bikes have way too low of gear, and no overdrive gear. I am almost certain that all the bike manufacturers have worked with the oil companies, and with corporate planners, and decided to keep the RPM's as high as possible, in order to cause maximum fuel consumption and engine wear. Motorcycles NEED an overdrive, just like ALL other vehicles. It's criminal that they don't have one.

[@pgkr67]

@@Ritalie ktm are using a wide gear box in their 1290 Adv. 6 speed is really tall. Actually they have done that since the 950 Adv bikes came into the market.. Dont know if the same applies for the 790/890 bikes though.. heres hoping..

[@67daltonknox]

I rode dirt bikes for years. Meanwhile, I have had 3 ADVs - V-Strom, Multistrada and 1290SAS. I like them for the riding position and ease of covering distance. I never take them off road and I suspect few other owners do. With regard to gears, I tried a 1250 RS. It had the most ridiculously tall first gear - was a complete pain round town needing a lot of slip to pull away up a hill. By contrast the SAS has a low first gear - probably a nod to off road pretensions - but a reasonable top. The Multistrada was overgeared in top. On the freeway at 70 it would have difficulty holding speed on a mild uphill without downshifting.

[@michaelmihaylov3437]

@@Ritalie some do, try multistrada 1260, you only need 6th well over 100mph

[@Cheezmonka]

@@Ritalie The short gearing is typically because of the constant want for impressive acceleration numbers and torque-y feel that younger riders want. In the real world I think having the first three gears be a tiny bit shortband the last three being progressively longer is the right play, but that might jist be my personal preference. 6th being a true overdrive gear would be nice.

[@rodrigofabregas7756]

Thank you Bret for this very nice review, I like the Panamerica...will like to test ride it some day. I think that issues that you pin pointed in the radiator they can fix it with just a longer front mudguard, I like that autoleveling and lowering when stopped...because I'm 5'7"...and that's and issue in my 1290 SAR...😁, I lowered it about 1", and reach the floor just with my foot finger tips!.

[@88888888Rocket1]

Bret ….. excellent Thank you so much for being so honest. Cheers

[@EileenNovack]

I just did a test ride at the IMS Carlisle, PA event. They gave me the standard version and I had little trouble getting on but found I was tippy toeing to touch the ground. I’m darn tall at 5’11” but still felt nervous about that. My current; and first bike is a CBR500R so much less power and a very different ride. Once underway I found the bike to be extremely nice. It was my first time riding any type of Harley and first time on any bike with this much power. They let us ride a good 20 minute route through a rural road going up a local mountain. I was worried about having to stop at a light and possibly dropping the bike, but found I was able to make it work despite not being able to flat foot. The power of this bike makes it seem that you could go anywhere with it. My confidence was soaring. After getting back to the demo area I did have a bit of difficulty getting off. I’m older and not as flexible anymore. I suppose if I had more time with it I would find a way, but it’s a concern at the moment. It was nice to meet and chat with you on Friday the 10th. I love your enthusiasm and expertise you show in your videos. Looking forward seeing more.

[@a1scoot]

Learn to get on and off with the kickstand deployed … it’s called the cowboy method and it works really well….

[@mojomanmurph1925]

Use the pegs to get on and off. There are videos of people doing this on all types of adventure bikes. It is awkward at first but you get the hang of it. Learn to keep one foot on peg and the other on ground when stopped. Works out well.

[@ronr6605]

@@a1scoot good move to jump on an Enduro avoiding a trampoline. well in that case w the kickstand directly mounted to the aluminium enginecase that might turn out expensive due to the flex swinging on it. teething problems and gen1 beta testers. guess they gonna make it better next year.

[@44MagnumFilms]

I rode the Pan American within 5 minutes of taking out a Tiger 900 Rally Pro. "Deliberate" is an understatement. The PA felt like a Harley. I bought the Rally Pro.

[@Dave-sw2dm]

What other Harleys did you test ride?

[@44MagnumFilms]

@@Dave-sw2dm I have owned four Harleys.

[@jvc350]

@@44MagnumFilms Then how did it feel like a limited or a soft-tail? I've ridden Harley's for 20+ years and I own the PA. It's nothing like any other harley. In comparison, it's very nimble and feels lighter than 550 lbs.

[@markjacobs3956]

Comparing a Rally Pro to this thing is like comparing a thoroughbred to a Brahma Bull. 10000 super happy miles 50/50 riding my rally Pro in Colorado. If you gave me one of these I would sell it within 10 minutes and buy anything else in the segment including a Moto Guzzi

[@davidspin5353]

I test drove on in Lakeland Florida a couple months ago, loved it! Went to Berts Balckwidow to buy one, they wanted 5 grande over retail. To hell with that...

[@mauriciocalcano3108]

Great job Bret! We saw you at carlisle fairgrounds PA on saturday and, as always, awesome content!

[@MotoSera]

I'm pleased someone else finally noticed the bad position of the rad and reg/rec which I've been saying since I first saw it. Will be interesting to see how they hold up over time. Mind you, I expect 99% of those sold will never see dirt.

[@jvc350]

Just look at all Harley's and you will see that the regulator has been in that position for the last 20+ years. I've caked them with mud and crud with no issue. The V-Rod had the radiator in the same place. It's a non-issue. As Bret says it's a "perceived issue".

[@MotoSera]

@@jvc350 yes, big difference is the Pan America is meant to be an ADV bike and used offroad. Not like previous Harleys. Feel free to take a V rod across the desert or up a rocky mountain track and see how it holds up. I've had plenty of HDs over the years.

[@fvgc454ss]

@@jvc350 v rod radiator had the openings off to each side. The center of the radiator is covered and protected right behind the wheel.

[@leonblack2651]

@@PeterAngles-ks9fp don't you have a gender re assignment surgery scheduled?

[@2wheelsrbest327]

Wow ! Bret I have viewed many great reviews on the PAS having brought one here in the UK , and Snowbird on YT as a great remedy for the hot exhaust cover issue , but your review must be up there with the best of them. I never knew that the side ( Jiffy ) stand was attached to the engine and that is worrying. With regard to the heat off of the exhaust I fitted the Screaming Eagle CF cover but I cannot say its made that much difference. With regards to the radiator your so right about it getting easily damaged and dare I say it to prevent this happening given the guard here in the UK costs £170 I have ordered one from Aliexpress for £35. That should be ok for me as rough stuff to me will be a gravel car park. Your comments about the brakes is also so right because you do have to yank them on hard. Prior to buying my PAS I owned a 1200GS and had taken a 1250GS for a test ride and quite liked it particularly the braking efficiency but then I road tested the PAS and felt you got more for your money. Initially for the first 4 weeks of riding the PAS I was missing the low down torque of the 1250 Boxer engine & indeed nearly traded the PAS in for one But I persevered and I have got to like the induction sound which compensates for the low down torque I am missing. But that said after viewing your video I am once again wondering whether I have done the right thing in buying it. For the record it didn't help mine breaking down at 27 miles with a minor fault. Just like with the side stand HD did not do enough research on fitting the exhaust heat shield as if you look at it it actually touches the exhaust at the top and has a wide gap at the bottom. The lugs should of been welded on equidistance top & bottom. To be fair to HD I think they have entered the Adventure market at the right spot given that its competitors are a lot more expensive but do not have the innovations that the PAS has. You can expect to see the later ones at a higher price point that's for sure. Given all of this one of the main reasons I may keep it is belonging to the HD community and being able to attend so many more gatherings than if I rode another bike. Our dealerships in the UK are second to none when it comes to other motorcycle marques. Given I seem to want more low down torque I may just find myself riding a Proper Harley very soon then. Ride safe Bret and of cause you now have another Sub. Ted

[@BretTkacs]

Wow, you had a lot to share. Good information, I love hearing from owners that have real saddle time. Welcome to the channel

[@johnb7014]

It’s the best bike I’ve ever had. I love it keeps me wanting more ride time. Ton of power out of corners. Not done much off roading with the stock Tires.

[@user-cx2bk6pm2f]

This may be one of the best bike reviews I've ever seen!

[@peterrobert3223]

Sold my Tiger XCA1200 and bought a Pan special- agree with most comments, I find the Pan more nimble on road- already have a front fender extender ordered, I wonder if the regulator would have been better mounted under the headlight? Don't miss the quickshifter- I still remember how to change gears! So far happy with this choice!

[@sgt.slaughter8170]

Are you still liking it? I bought one today.

[@peterrobert3223]

@@sgt.slaughter8170 Yep love it- no problems, just some software upgrades and servicing!

[@fragglerock689]

I had a quick shifter on two of my Bmw’s and lastly, my Triumph tiger and never use them because I know they say it doesn’t hurt the motor, but I don’t care what they say. In my opinion it does.

[@jerseyjeeper1575]

That radiator and angled plate under it is a dealbreaker…

[@davidcolin6519]

Yeah. reminiscent of the old Moto Guzzi design that threw every drop of water at the regulator. I'd have thought that HD had heard that it was a bad idea to pressure wash elect components, but apparently not! Seriously though, with the regulator in that position, you either have to put a cover over it and restrict cooling or you don't put a cover over it and run the risk of electrical failure every time it rains. And I'm really not kidding about this. There is a reason why pressure washing companies recommend that you don't pressure wash a petrol engined car in the engine bay, and this is it.

[@Fee.1]

@@davidcolin6519 regulator does what again

[@loooooopy]

@@Fee.1 takes AC from your alternator and turns into usable power for your bike, 12v. without it your battery will run out soon after its failure

[@davidcolin6519]

@@Fee.1 The regulator charges the battery, is responsible for the spark that ignites the flame. Basically, if you regulator is on the fritz, you don't go anywhere.

[@verlinswarey507]

Nah

[@craigwilliams1073]

Wow, that's one of the best reviews I've seen on the Pan America!!! Thank you!!!

[@enduromotorradtouren]

Interesting points that you pick up, Bret. Others might skip these details, but for me they matter most for longterm happiness. Thanks, much appreciated Günter from Nürnberg/Germany

[@Dr.Twisty]

One thing I noticed on my demo ride was that while standing the gyroscopic effect of the motor makes it difficult to initiate turns with the feet compared to the GS boxer. I was very impressed with the suspension of the bike on asphalt-really good. But no quick shifter or autoblipper? That’s a no go for me right there. That’s got to be on a bike this expensive.

[@bogdandanailescu]

If it has a bit of orange, it's getting KTM issues along I guess: side stand mounted to the engine case & cooling fan on the left, roasting your knee :)))

[@BretTkacs]

🤣

[@curiousgeorgeadv]

Bret, thanks for the great video. It was awesome to talk with you at the Carlisle IMS and hear your seminars.

[@BretTkacs]

Thanks for coming by. I would hate to stand there with no audience.

[@glinleyt]

Automatic height adjustment when stopped! LOL But thank you Bret for consistently original content in your reviews and an unusually spelled name. First and last!

[@ChrisZBr0wn]

Someone needs to get Ryan's hands on one next! Canadians, let RyanF9 ride your new hog!

[@RadialHead]

It's almost like they had a list of things you shouldn't do when designing an 'adventure' bike, & accidentally included them instead of excluding them. Revy engine? Check. Wooden brakes? Check. Low-slung vital electronics? Check. Weak sidestand? Check. Blast heat at the rider? Check.

[@dseagull3567]

Best review...bar none! Well done and thank you.

[@WillysPerformanceCycleCtr]

Excellent ”Deliberate “ review. Thanks Bret❗️

[@noidreculse8906]

I love mine 😍 first adventure bike, nothing to compare it to. It is the prefect bike for North Idaho and all the gravel forest roads. The best bike Harley ever made

[@geewunder1171]

I'm down in Boise, where did you get yours?

[@noidreculse8906]

@@geewunder1171 Lone Wolf H-D in Spokane WA. I put a deposit down a year ago and took delivery last May. Mine was the first bike delivered from their store. I wanted an orange special and wire wheels, my bike came with Adaptive Ride Height option. I didn’t need ARH but it was buy this bike or wait for another one, so I took it. Glad I did, they are in short supply still, and most accessories are back ordered by like 3-4 months.

[@scoobymoto9858]

Love the pan American. One day I’ll get one.

[@G.Wagner_HD_Pan_America-Greg-]

Well at least you got your speed shift option now... just got my Pan America today and I can't wait to get it out there!

[@dimosk7389]

glad to see such small (but important) details from an unbiased guy like Bret.

[@_Zaid]

I test rode one last week and I am nodding at every one of your comments. I think this is a good street touring bike. I didn't get to ride offroad so I eagerly await the first wave of brave owners to report more. I think with a few iterations Harley has a real shot of seriously competing with the big players on ADV. Naysayers are underestimating how many potential ADV riders want an American bike with a huge dealer network and easy financing.

[@YSPDJapan]

Yes. I saw the radiator and the electronics hub right next to the bike. My first thought was, "I'd literally cake that with mud immediately after hitting the trails." But that's the thing: normal people buying a 600 lb HD ADV bike are not touching mud. Ever. So it's a non-issue.

[@keyboarddancers7751]

HD seem to have found the answer to big ADV questions which were being asked ten years ago!

[@andrewshore262]

Already clocked the position of the rectifier / radiator / very short mudguard it’s just waiting to be battered by rocks & dirt. Some great observations right there, I have to say though I really like the bike 👍🇬🇧

[@garyallmond6535]

I have a BMW R1250GS (low chassis) and recently added the PAS to my stable. I like both bikes, they each have strong suits, as well as weak suits. Having 40,000 on the GS, and only 1,000 on the PAS, I don't have a detailed comparison, but did post a comparison on my blog. As long as I can put miles n both of them, I plan to keep both.

[@Sixbears]

First review I've seen that mentions the potential radiator problem. Something to consider. Most water cooled scooters have better protection for goodness sakes.

[@waynehollins2165]

How about the kickstand mounted to the engine pan 🧐 come on hd not another oil leak just stupid location WOW

[@Ritalie]

They do sell a really nice radiator guard, which everyone installs.

[@PetrolJunkie]

I was waiting for the Bret Tkacs on the HD Pan. Am. Managed to cover a lot of the reasons why I decided to pass on the bike. To be frank about it, the HD is a brand new design. BMW has a bike that has been tweaked and refined over many years. KTM is refining its offerings every year making its bikes better and better. That list includes every single manufacture in the segment, except maybe Royal Endfield. (Laughs) That's a hallmark of the ADV segment of the market, a constant loop of feedback and changes that over time polish each bike's design until it's ready for a complete redesign. If HD falls in line with it, they have a solid platform to start tweaking and refining, lots of opportunities to polish. It's also an example of why I refuse to buy the first year of anything, the next couple of years are spent fixing everything the engineers somehow overlooked and the reviewers and general public find.

[@stromtrooper4478]

In researching adv bikes, the bmw has the lowest reliability ratings in every comparison. I had a mechanic and salesman at a beemer,ducati,triumph shop tell me the beemers had the most warranty repair returns also. Cracked fork tubes,driveshaft failures,transmission failures,electrical issues with the huge ever increasing complex spaceship systems. Way to much money for a bike that has been around this many decades.

[@PetrolJunkie]

@@stromtrooper4478 Given how people ride the motorcycle there are bound to be more issues. A lot of it is poor maintenance. I beat the crap out of mine, but I do all the maintenance myself and honestly I haven't had any issues that are not the result of my errors while riding. I suspect many of the "warranty" claims are the same situation except folks are looking for someone else to foot the bill. Doesn't that change the way you look at those stats a bit?

[@FastRu-kl7iy]

Best regards to Todd! He got best HD ever made, hope his next bike would be Multistrada V4S. Nice review, as usual Bret✌🏻

[@Comrade134]

Thank you for your honest review. Refreshing

[@Avesta.]

Pretty spot on, I was given the opportunity to borrow one of these for a month and after riding it every day during that time I can confirm all of this. Now, I'm not someone who has an aversion to new tech, I own a Livewire and it's incredible; I thought that the Pan America would be as finely developed as the Livewire would be but it's OBVIOUS the teams working on these two motorcycles had wildly different objectives. I also own a GS, as do many riders looking at this particular motorcycle, and as Bret mentioned, "spoiled" is the perfect description for any of us. The Livewire, despite being the most alien concept imaginable for H-D and a foray into technology that half of the execs and 99% of their salesmen can't even pronounce (let alone understand), is refined, reliable, and as far as an electric motorcycle goes is as close to perfect as you're ever going to get. Easily a decade ahead of its time, and after a year to this very day of owning it I can't say that I have any major complaints or that I've noticed anything weird. You can tell that making an PHENOMENAL first impression on the entire market was of paramount importance for the team that developed it. The Pan America, on the other hand, is a different beast entirely. Coming from a Livewire I immediately noticed a lot of that technology implemented in this bike...and it's very well done. Given the team that developed it, it's easy to see how that is. Hardware wise, however, not so much. Coming from a GS you immediately notice some of the ridiculous design decisions here and as you ride it and get get a little more adventurous with it you definitely start to worry about things that you don't worry about on other ADVs. Maybe those are just in your head, but the fact that they're there detracts from the overall experience of this machine. It feels like the main idea behind this was "just good enough." I may be completely mistaken, but the wimpy windshield mechanism, the cheap crappy hand guards, the heat blowing on your leg a-la Buell, and the ridiculous amount of poseur mods available for this like carbon fiber "heat shields" that do absolutely nothing make it seem like it's built to be the adventure bike for guys who want to show up to their nearest mall, park next to the 4Runner TRD Pro with the roof tent that's never been opened and take a few instagram photos of their cute little urban adventure to the Apple Genius Bar. I, for one, will wait until the second or third generation of the Pan America to see if it becomes a serious contender, but for now it's kind of a joke in my humble opinion.

[@michaelalquist7497]

Weird comment you made at the end. A joke.. really?!

[@Avesta.]

@@michaelalquist7497 yes, a joke. Any other manufacturer that ships a bike with “protection” ships it with actual, functional protection for the engine etc. The PanAm Special ships with “protection” that is largely cosmetic. After buying the “premium” version you still need to drop another 2-3k on anything functional for it. The fact that it’s ONE USB port can’t even be used to charge any devices makes it that much more annoying. It’s a cool first attempt at an ADV, and it definitely looks the part. For dudes coming from another Harley, it’s a major step up but if you’re coming from BMW, KTM or Ducacti, it really is a little comical. Given the same amount of money I’ll buy the new Norden 901 long before the PanAm lol

[@thanosetsitty1896]

I was looking forward to you doing this review on this bike. All in all sounds like Harley is not that far off with their first shot at adventure bikes.

[@AlgeriaRiderdz]

As always, great review Bret!

[@Gadgetnerdly]

Great review! Very helpful. Was wondering, what brand is that flat cap you're wearing?

[@comfortablyunknown700]

HD's rectifier/regulator are known for over cooking. Common replacement.

[@PetrolJunkie]

There is a running joke about that being the reason why they put in a place that is so easily accessible. Saves on shop time. lol

[@comfortablyunknown700]

@@PetrolJunkie that is true, it is a very nice and quick replacement.

[@PetrolJunkie]

@Dick Weed True, but in the case with the Pan Am it's also located in a vulnerable spot. Like what Bret said the bash plate on my BMW R1250 has taken some pretty hard hits right where that regulator is mounted. That would suck if you come down on it and bash your skid plate right into it and end up with battery that can't be charged in the middle of a long trail.

[@brad4690]

Did a demo on this on Saturday after you and I had been oogling the Tiger 1200 prototype over by Truimph's tent. I did really enjoy that engine but that heat off it was excessive even on a 75 degree day. I had the same impression of the brakes as well, it was odd. I also wondered why that screen had so much wasted space around the tach and now I know. A decent first attempt by Harley but it wouldn't be on my short list for a new ADV. Was cool meeting you at the show and thanks again for the content.

[@TheBigdutchster]

Out of curiosity, what was this event that you were at?

[@brettdavis80]

@@TheBigdutchster It was the Progressive IMS motorcycle show at the Carlisle fairgrounds in Carlisle PA this past weekend Sept 10-12. I was there myself and if you look closely starting at 11:06 you can see me at my bike off of Bret’s right shoulder getting ready to leave the show. At least the ending here was video’d Sunday.

[@TheBigdutchster]

@@brettdavis80 Thanks for your reply. I';ve never heard of a motorcycle show and would like to attend one at some point.

[@nick4506]

I'm excited about the center stand comeback. I have an old bike that has one at my college now, and it makes maintenance a breeze instead of a chore. I've changed the rear shock twice with the tools under my seat. stuff that you would dream of doing in a garage I do in the parking lot. the other bikes in the class call themselves adventure bikes but the BMWs got that proprietary oil fil plug and ktm makes you use snap ring players to fish out the oil filter, these aren't designed to take maintenance on the move. this optional center stand is a step in the right direction for the industry. and the sad part is BMW used to be the leader in this respect the old 1150 rt will sit on the center stand with both wheels off the ground.

[@adrianmathe3578]

Ha, what a pro. All other reviews, other people actually riding it, missed all of this. Can t wait to see what you will find in a full review😁😁😁

[@piersdenney]

Great review Bret! I own a Pan Am Special and absolutely love it. I personally don’t find the heat from the fan to be bothersome, but it would be nice to have had it diverted away from you. ARH is a game changer for those of us who are shorter of leg. I bought the Pan Am because it has more character than the GS, but I’m not looking to seriously off road it. HD aren’t marketing it as a serious of roader, more of a tourer than can run Fire tracks and forest trails

[@Ineedtotakeabreak]

More character than the GS?

[@piersdenney]

@@Ineedtotakeabreak yep, GS is almost too smooth, too accomplished feels Germanic and slightly cold, to me anyway. As ever, all these bikes are excellent, it comes down to personal taste in the end.

[@rso1411]

Great review Bret. I love my PA and I don't mind the radiator where it is, but the short front fender just irritates me. I mean, wasn't that obvious? The navigation system fails also, so I bought a Garmin and hardwired it to the bike. It's far from perfect, but for their first outing with an Adventure Bike, I think they did an awesome job. I'm going to Alaska (Deadhorse) in June if you want to come along.

[@davidfalgout7304]

Bring a friend and one of you carry a rope. The PA will fail due to radiator or regulator failure!

[@Fee.1]

Is there a website for getting started with dirt and adv riding in your area/state for people with no friends ?

[@rso1411]

@@davidfalgout7304 I hope you're wrong, but I'm going to find out. :)

[@calvinderuiter2033]

really great and honest review i bought the standard and the rear brakes behave the same no feedback or squat as you said

[@LowenKM]

Good review, and yeah, lack of 'feedback' on any bike is a real deal-killer (especially if it involves the brakes... lol)!.

[@GoodkatNW]

23k bike and they don't have metal grab rails? That's a strange miss. Imagine lifting this thing when you still have luggage on the racks. Seems like an odd omission, but perhaps they expect the majority of the riders to use it like most people use the GS/GSA; as a long distance road bike.

[@ollieross1384]

I believe the big KTM’s have their kickstand mounted to the lower engine block as well. A lot of relocation kits available for that like BDCW. However I agree it is something of concern.

[@iivaridark6850]

Yes but look at it closer...

[@DJPTEXAS]

So does my Multi Strada......

[@waynehollins2165]

Maybe 😏😂 a hd oil leak kickstand ha come on hd oil leak again wow

[@patrickwhite1518]

I've had a Pan Am since April. Buried it in the mud several times now. No issues with overheating even with the center of the rad covered in mud. Haven't had any issues with the regulator either with the stock skid plate. I have broken both of my rear handles however. No issues with the kickstand off road aside from the small footprint in the soft Fl sand. My biggest complaint is the heat. I had to half wrap the right side and put a deflector on the left. No issues wit the breaks, but the special does have linked breaking, so unless you were in Offroad + mode, you weren't using just the rear break which may explain why you weren't getting any squat. Engine guard is very tough, much stronger than the clutch lever that I broke on some hard dirt. The torque is controlled by the ride mode you're in, you get more HP and better response at high RPM in sport mode, but in Offroad mode, you get full torque to the rear at lower RPMs.

[@BretTkacs]

Thanks for the feedback

[@Rasckloc]

You are absolutely right about the side stand. I have a 28.5" inseam at 5'5.5" tall. The simple solution is to weld a 2 inch piece of metal to the foot catch of the kickstand. SOLVED this bike for me. :)

[@tjrenegade9807]

I rode one at Dirt Daze this past August. I was impressed with the engine and overall feel of the bike but a lot of the things you mentioned bugged me as well. I think HD did a good job for a first attempt but its not there yet. Also I would wait several years to see what tech issue arise and how they handle them. I saw no need to trade my Super Tenere in for one anytime soon.

[@olegyd]

When you get use DCT system you really don't wonna drive bikes with, clutch 😂😂😂 anymore

[@a1scoot]

Had the chance to ride one a few months ago at a demo day….Enjoyed it as I am a dirt rider as well so I felt right at home on it…..Sold my Goldwing F6B and picked up a well equipped 2018 Super Tenere ES and have enjoyed the hell out of it riding 4000 miles in the past couple months. Wanted proven reliability so the Yamaha made sense to me.

[@highwayman1218]

Cant go wrong with the S10. Its a great bike.

[@jayzenitram9621]

Pack the radiator full of mud? Don't worry about that, only about 1% of these bikes are ever going to see a non-improved road.

[@kevins7866]

Great review. My Riding partner has the HD. My first ride impression was “where are the rear breaks?” I ride a 2020 BMW R1250 GSA. No comparison with fit and finish, which the BMW wins hands down. Also, the lack of a quick shifter (which I love) is a deal killer for me. The HD is easier to ride in the dirt and soft stuff than the BMW, but I would never trade for one. It certainly gets more looks than the BMW, so if you’re in need of attention…..lol

[@racerdaveracerdave]

I really don't understand the lack of a quickshifter either. They're playing in a premium segment with premium prices. It's not an excusable oversight in comparison to its competition.

[@kevins7866]

@@racerdaveracerdave agree!

[@motoryzen]

1:32 to 1:41 This something Revzilla's review(s) of the Pan america..missed. *scratches chin*..Leave it to Bret to find such things and address them. MUCH..respect to ya man!!

[@riveraluciano]

Yup, spurg, Ari and Zack are all rather tall (I think over 6 foot). I do wonder though, doesn't the bike have this hydraulic system where it lowers itself for shorter riders?

[@shadowrider7072]

@@riveraluciano It does, and I own one.. and I'm also short. The adaptive ride height adjustment lowers the entire bike to the ground, but the distance between the seat, foot pegs, and side stand are static. The adaptive height is great for getting a leg on the ground, but if you struggle to reach the side stand, you will ALWAYS struggle to reach the side stand. It's just really far forwards and hard to get to for somebody with a short inseam. On a related note, I was just having a conversation with some friends about how it seems almost all motorcycle reviewers and content creators seem to be abnormally tall people. Often over 6 feet tall, and quite often on the slim/lanky side to boot. Makes it hard to get a perspective for us people built like an old wooden whiskey keg.

[@motoryzen]

@@riveraluciano I was referring to the kick stand statement Bret made

[@riveraluciano]

@@motoryzen I realized, but thought that with the reduced height, a shorter rider would have less difficulty, though didn't really think much more than that.

[@CC-hl5zj]

Always good advice from The man in the cool hat!! Where are you and how do I find out about these Cycle shows?

[@zxjockey]

I've been riding my PAS for over a year now, and many of your points are accurate. Fortunately, I have the same big hands so it all works. I will mention though, that there actually is a quickshift option for this bike. It's not a factory option (Although the 2023 might be), but a dealer option and a very quick install for your dealer. It's an UP/DOWN and works quite well. As to the ventilation down low, I've been out tempting fate in the very wet Berkshires a lot, and found my skid plate completely caked, with so far no ill effects at all. I did go with the same upgraded skid plate you have here, as the factory skid plate is more like a tinfoil hat. And yes, the crash bars are rock solid. Or so I've heard... The best advice for anyone getting a Pan America though, is lose the stock tires and put the Anakee Wilds on there. Mine climbs like a mountain goat with them. And to your point, the radiator guard is a must.

[@ncgsc]

100% no B.S review. Just the way it should be.

[@donniemullins2719]

Honestly, This bike is A "Touring/ADV" meaning 90/10 or 80/20 at best road to off road. It's meant for fire, dirt and well defined trail roads. So when you review it put it in it's proper perspective and you will find the "perceived" or Wait and see issues not as important. I honestly don't think HD will get a fair shake most reviewers that are more interested in finding something to set their review apart or it's great first start but mine is still better attitude. Am example of this is the "backwards" compliment about the fact they use similiar brakes as others and so it's a kudo. I guess they should have just made a KTM or BMW clone and then they would be what you like instead of trying to meet the market standard and bring something new with their own spin. No bike is perfect but let's compare their 1st try to that of the KTM and BMW and you will have to agree they did a hell of a job, where most don't want to even in this market because they love their BMW or KTM!

[@willp2042]

Honest and straightforward. Hope that Harley Davidson will listen to your valuable comments for the future or 2nd version improvement. Subscribed and liked the most.

[@deormanrobey892]

I made a front fender extension from stiff sheet plastic for my Honda, looks like it might be a good idea for this bike as well.